Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[GEML]

Of course, you do wonder what might have happened if their family had been rocked by such a betrayal and defeat as their oldest son molesting his sisters. It's likely that this is at least partly what kept Jim Bob from moving up the ladder in the Gothard hierarchy and I do think it impacted the marriage choices for his daughters with this as part of their history.

In some ways, it's easy for the Bates family to be gracious. Their relationship with the Duggars has brought the a more spacious home, much needed money, televised big time weddings, and ultimately their own show.

[NJRach]

Has anyone been following Jill Rodrigues's blog? Thirteen people living in an RV with baby #12 on the way. She wants a house now, but without any steady income other than love offerings, it ain't going to happen. She bemoans the fact that there are several years left to pay on the RV. I can't imagine being in an RV with a newborn. Is there even enough floor space for all of them? It looks like her toddler sleeps in the bottom of a closet, under the hanging clothes. Oh, and one toilet and shower. Yikes!!

Edited June 17, 2015 by NJRach

[Fuzzysox]

Has anyone been following Jill Rodrigues's blog? Thirteen people living in an RV with baby #12 on the way. She wants a house now, but without any steady income other than love offerings, it ain't going to happen. Oh, and she binside. Is there even enough floor space for all those bodies? It looks like her toddler sleeps in the bottom of a closet, under the hanging clothes. Oh, and one toilet and shower. Yikes!!

I've been thinking of them this week. I fear for those kids and Jill is pregnant again without a steady income how do they feed all those kids? And they had house and sold it to get their own stink bus I thought. ***read their blog again and they had a rental and gave it up to go on the stinkbus tour to nowhere***

When I watch Kid Farm I immediately think of Jill because she is so desperate to be another MEchelle it's really not funny what lengths Jill has gone to deprive her kids.

I went to her blog. She sounds mad and desperate that she doesn't have a house. I feel even worse for her now. They need to sell their stink bus STAT so they can have money to pay for a house. She needs to give up her dream of being a famewhore and have her husband get a job for goodness sakes you have 11 kids to feed!! Oh is she good at selling. Her post about her 16 year old daughter sounds like a christainmatchmaking ad. I'm thinking she wants that kid courting by 18 so it will be one less mouth to feed.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Sew Sumi]

Free Angry Olivia from the baby cage! And Poor Nurie (JRod's 16 year-old). Before Jill's sister's accident on Good Friday, Jill really seemed to be trying to sell off Nurie to the highest bidder. They crashed Erin Bates' wedding, and Jill has mentioned Mechelle Duggar in her FB/blog posts like they're chummy. I imagine there aren't many takers for the Duggar boys these days; Nurie Rodrigues or someone of that wacky ilk may be Joseph's best bet...it's hard to say what life will be like for him in the Fall at Clown College. 

 

I know I heard some rumors about Tori Bates and Joseph Duggar when he first moved to TN earlier this year, but I sincerely doubt that the Bateses want to be tied to a Duggar since Joshgate became a multi-media conflagration. 

Edited June 17, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[kokapetl]

Has anyone been following Jill Rodrigues's blog? Thirteen people living in an RV with baby #12 on the way. She wants a house now, but without any steady income other than love offerings, it ain't going to happen. Oh, and she binside. Is there even enough floor space for all those bodies? It looks like her toddler sleeps in the bottom of a closet, under the hanging clothes. Oh, and one toilet and shower. Yikes!!

last I heard her sister became paraplegic a few months back, and Jill managed have herself, her husband and their Dickensian waif kids moved into her parents house and the parents were slumming it in the RV, so Jill could support her sister (exploit her for YouTube footage). Did they kick her out?

[bluebonnet]

For the social workers, do states have rules on how much living space a child should have?  Or at least sleeping space?

[Fuzzysox]

Free Angry Olivia from the baby cage! And Poor Nurie (JRod's 16 year-old). Before Jill's sister's accident on Good Friday, Jill really seemed to be trying to sell off Nurie to the highest bidder. They crashed Erin Bates' wedding, and Jill has mentioned Mechelle Duggar in her FB/blog posts like they're chummy. I imagine there aren't many takers for the Duggar boys these days; Nurie Rodrigues may be someone like Joseph's best bet...it's hard to say what life will be like for him in the Fall at Clown College.

I know I heard some rumors about Tori Bates and Joseph Duggar when her first moved to TN earlier this year, but I sincerely doubt that the Bateses want to be tied to a Duggar since Joshgate became a multi-media conflagration.

Oh don't give Jill ideas! She would just shit all over herself if her daughter would marry a Duggar. Instant fame, what Jill has been working for but God hasn't seen it yet. lol Edited June 17, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[JenCarroll]

For the social workers, do states have rules on how much living space a child should have?  Or at least sleeping space?

I think this family may be cleverly avoiding the social workers by not living in any one state.

[BitterApple]

Interesting how the Rodrigues kids are all emaciated but Mom and Dad sure as hell aren't missing any meals.

[Sew Sumi]

For the social workers, do states have rules on how much living space a child should have?  Or at least sleeping space?

Before the accident, they were pretty good about moving from state to state to stay one step ahead of CPS workers. A friend of mine was going to report them when they were still in WV, but then we found out they were on the road and out of state, so there went that plan. 

 

Fuzzysox, Jill would cream her panties if she could marry off Nurie to a Duggar or Bates. The former seems to have a much better chance of happening than the latter. Fatboy David photobomed Erin's wedding footage on the show. I almost fell off the couch when I saw that they used that footage. I'd seen stills of DRod, so I knew when to look for him. LOL 

[Darknight]

I've been thinking of them this week. I fear for those kids and Jill is pregnant again without a steady income how do they feed all those kids? And they had house and sold it to get their own stink bus I thought.

When I watch Kid Farm I immediately think of Jill because she is so desperate to be another MEchelle it's really not funny what lengths Jill has gone to deprive her kids.

I went to her blog. She sounds mad and desperate that she doesn't have a house. I feel even worse for her now. They need to sell their stink bus STAT so they can have money to pay for a house. She needs to give up her dream of being a famewhore and have her husband get a job for goodness sakes you have 11 kids to feed!! Oh is she good at selling. Her post about her 16 year old daughter sounds like a christainmatchmaking ad. I'm thinking she wants that kid courting by 18 so it will be one less mouth to feed.

Those children need to be placed in DHS custody. That's neglect. How do these kids get school done? Why doesn't Jill use birth control? Or not gave sex. Who has time for sex with 11 kids?

[Sew Sumi]

Jill is a poor man's Mechelle Duggar. Nurie raises those kids. They posted a video of when they got coconuts in Florida. Guess who was first in line? Let's just say that the kids were lucky to get anything, even though Nurie had done most of the work to get the things open. Well, there was DRod and a hammer, but he was ineffective. But he and Jill hoarded the shit out of those things, despite all those poor, hungry (and curious) kids. :/

[BradandJanet]

Yep. Nurie Rodrigues isn't going anywhere the stinky RV doesn't take her. There are still a lot of babies for her to raise and more coming down the David/Jill pipeline. 

[bluebonnet]

Wow, this Jill Rodrigues woman is pretty insane.  And so melodramatic.  Her post describing an encounter with a woman in a bathroom is ridiculous.  It's basically that this was a woman who didn't look like what Jill wanted a woman to look like (presumably transgender) and Jill flips out and writes as though she had been viciously attacked by a woman who was washing her hands, putting on make up, and by Jill's own account, completely ignoring her.  Then it's a long diatribe about how the good and loving god they worship is going to destroy the world because he throws a temper tantrum over women not looking like what Jill wants them to look like.  It's almost hilarious how dramatic she gets when describing her anger over a woman ignoring her because she was putting on make up in the bathroom.  I tried to watch one of her videos by ugh, with the porn music playing (I guess it was supposed to be spiritual, but I swear I heard that same music when I was, um, well my roommate, well, anyway, it's porn music, doesn't matter how I know that) and her nasally voice and absurd commentary...I just couldn't continue.  

 

I wonder if their 'ministry' is purposely designed to skip out on CPS.  I hope DHS catches up with them somewhere.  Those poor children.  

 

Did they really crash a Bates' wedding?  

[Sew Sumi]

Their "ministry" is supposedly to print up tracts. Except they don't have the money to buy a printing press. Or have a place to put one. That's what this stupid RV trip (originally supposed to go for TWO YEARS) was supposed to accomplish. Now, Jill wants out. The first wise thing she's ever said. 

 

And yes, I seriously doubt Erin actually INVITED these clowns. But they sure as hell made sure they were front and center, like they were the Bateses' BFFs.

[Micks Picks]

But Jill thanks Jesus for providing.  She surrenders herself to this cluster..k.  I think her Jesus is stingy.

Ok, I'm off to the prayer closet.

[Sew Sumi]

Real Jesus would tell her to get a job. HELP YOURSELF, BITCH! Sorry, but I've had it in for this lazy slut for years. Blocked from FB for a mild dissent maybe 3 years ago. So as a warning, unless you troll as a fawner, you're pretty much 86'ed.

[becca3891]

This is the first I've heard of Jill Rodrigues. As I glanced through their bios on their blog, I was prepared for the usual fundie nonsense but what her husband said about immodest dressing made my blood run cold. Trigger warning that it is a horrible victim blaming remark about rape:

 

Far too often, women in this day and age, take pleasure in exploiting their bodies to other men with the philosophy that the men should “control themselves”………………YET, our rape crime has gone up considerably in the last few years.  I believe that women that dress in a way that tempts men to lust, share in the guilt.  It seems so simple for ladies to dress in dresses/skirts for gender separation.

 

I know this is probably just what the Duggars think, but they have never come out and stated it so directly. I mean, this guy isn't just saying women tempt men to have "impure thoughts." He says they SHARE IN THE GUILT. That is such a horrifying remark, I'm honestly still in shock. Also, he has absolutely no understanding of "our rape crime," which I guess is his garbled attempt at speaking correct English. Rape is as old as time, it's just that it's finally being reported more. But yet, with men like him still telling women they're to blame, it makes me heartbroken to remember how attitudes like that make women in these fundie cults keep silent out of shame when they're abused.

Edited June 17, 2015 by becca3891

[Churchhoney]

Their "ministry" is supposedly to print up tracts. Except they don't have the money to buy a printing press. Or have a place to put one. That's what this stupid RV trip (originally supposed to go for TWO YEARS) was supposed to accomplish.

 

Not to mention that printing presses have, you know, kind of gone the way of Gutenberg. And who would actually have the money to, I assume, pay them for this ministry -- especially anybody who isn't using some printing setup already? And who would be writing the tracts that they print? Cause I have a bad feeling that they intend much of it to be written by them? And ... yeeps.

[Gweilo]

I like hypotheticals, so here's one:

 

What if the Rodrigues father was offered a job, a 9-5 job that he's capable of doing, and the 'job giving guy' gave the entire family a house for free, exactly the kind of house that they want, no bills, etc.  But he said to them "apart from weekends, your annual leave and legitimate medical leave, if one day you don't turn up to work, I will immediately bring around movers and trucks, and your family will be out of the house by Sunset."

 

I know it's a silly hypothetical, but I wonder which is stronger in the Rodrigues' world: their laziness or their greed.

[dillpickles]

I like hypotheticals, so here's one:

What if the Rodrigues father was offered a job, a 9-5 job that he's capable of doing, and the 'job giving guy' gave the entire family a house for free, exactly the kind of house that they want, no bills, etc. But he said to them "apart from weekends, your annual leave and legitimate medical leave, if one day you don't turn up to work, I will immediately bring around movers and trucks, and your family will be out of the house by Sunset."

I know it's a silly hypothetical, but I wonder which is stronger in the Rodrigues' world: their laziness or their greed.

Aren't gothardites not allowed to work under other men?

[GEML]

Rodriquezes aren't Gothard. They are Maranatha, which is a whole different ball of Fundy subculture.

[NJRach]

You guys are right - I have to laugh at the thought of the printing presses. Nowadays it's a computer hooked up to a fancy printer. 

 

I wonder if the family is getting food stamps and other benefits, like health ins, from NY state? I think that state has better benefits than some of the ones they are currently in. Maybe they use NY as their home. Otherwise how do they pay their bills? Campsites are $40 a night at least, if they are staying at a campsite. If not, are they parking the stinkbus in church parking lots and mooching off the water and electric. Even if they do that, there is still the sewer tank to dump somewhere. Sewage for 13 is a lot. Unless they dump it Jim-Bob style in Gil Bates's driveway.

 

Also I am trying to figure out what they food bill must be for 13 people, or 14 (that's counting tubby David twice). It must be over $1,500 per month. Plus with the tiny RV refrigerator, they have to shop a lot and buy convenience food. Camping isn't cheap. From our experience, you are buying propane, extra ice, firewood and lots of prepared food.

 

And then there is gas for the stinkbus. That must cost a few hundred a month. Auto insurance (which I sincerely hope they aren't dumb enough to go without)

 

Besides lack of money and space, there there are other oddities. I saw  on the blog that there is a tow behind car they drag around. It looks like it only seats 6 max. WTF? Do half of them go out and leave the other 6 with Nurie?  Or if they all have to go somewhere, do they unhook everything and drive the entire stinkbus?

 

The whole situation is wacky. 

 

And then there's poor paralyzed Amy. Is it me or does Jill seem disconnected from it all? If it was my sister, I think I'd take a week or two here and there and pitch in. Especially if both my husband and I were unemployed. Jill seems like she's delegated everything to the hordes of volunteers who are beating on the door, waiting to shower Amy and family with casseroles, daycare, homeschooling and nursing care.

Edited June 17, 2015 by NJRach

[Zahdii]

I haven't read a lot about this bunch, but from what I have read, it seems that the R family visits a lot of churches to 'fellowship', or whatever they call it.  I'm pretty sure that the lucky church they visit takes one look at those poor skinny kids and provides food. 

 

The Shrader family did the same thing, and they specialized in churches that had rooms that could be used for sleeping quarters in a pinch.  (That bunch would often spend an entire winter living in some churches basement.)

 

Most churches will do whatever they can to help other people, including providing the means to wash clothes, provide good used clothing to the growing children, help with medical expenses if a child needed their next round of vaccinations, etc.  When the church has had enough of their guests, they'll usually have a going away dinner, donate some cases of canned goods, and fill up the gas tank.  I suspect this happens a lot with the R family, and their hosts lose interest after offering employment advice to the parents, only to find that Papa R has no interest in working, and Mama R is 'prohibited' from working due to their religious beliefs.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Zahdii

[GEML]

They may also have some access to church camps that allow them to plug in or dispose of waste for free or at a very nominal fee.

[Fuzzysox]

Jill was a hairdresser. She can cut hair anywhere and get $$$$.

 

I still think she is aiming for fame hence the stinkbus tour and the free "love" offerings. And I suspect she is also aiming for a free house from her rants on her blog. Best of luck Jill.

 

I noticed that Jill never talks about homefooling. No wonder they are always running from DCFS. IDK those kids deserve better.

 

I googled them and found another message board that I will not post here but I read about the babycribcage and saw a picture----horrific. I also learned that they make baby blankets and sell them for $35. 

[frenchtoast]

Folks, I just hid some posts about CPS and the Rodriguez because it was really starting to get off topic and argumentative. I don't know that they've ever even met the Duggars let alone been on the show. We can stop talking about them now.

 

Thanks.

[GEML]

We might, stress MIGHT, be going to see the Willis clan play here in Ireland. They are in a nearby town and we are seeing about tickets.

(I've never watched the show, but the teenagers in my house are all excited about it.)

[anony mouse]

We might, stress MIGHT, be going to see the Willis clan play here in Ireland. They are in a nearby town and we are seeing about tickets.

(I've never watched the show, but the teenagers in my house are all excited about it.)

I saw them at a local festival in my town last summer and they put on a great show. If you go, I hope you enjoy it!

[becca3891]

We might, stress MIGHT, be going to see the Willis clan play here in Ireland. They are in a nearby town and we are seeing about tickets.

(I've never watched the show, but the teenagers in my house are all excited about it.)

I like their music, but am not impressed with the show. They creep me out, although not as much as the Duggars. In the first episode or two, the mom made all these weird remarks about how dancing teaches young people about gender roles -- that the man is to lead and the woman is to follow. Ugh. It made me regret ever thinking they were so superior to the Duggars because they allow their daughters to wear pants and dance. 

 

The truth is, the Willises are very conservative Christians. Their "home church" is actually more extreme than the Duggars's warehouse church. They literally meet with one other family in their house on Sunday morning and call it church. No helping the community, no trying to expand. They didn't come out and use the word courtship, but it was strongly implied. I'm not sure that their stage parent driven, constantly on the road, and now reality TV life is very healthy. I'm glad they allow pants and dancing but there's plenty to be concerned about. (To their credit, they did mention that they finally used birth control right at the end of the mom's childbearing years because she had a dangerous pregnancy/birth. So that's something.)

[Happyfatchick]

I saw a clip where the mom said they weren't all-in the no touching or kissing thing. Abstinence: yes, I think they hold onto that. But she was NOT all about no touching or kissing before marriage. In fact, she made a face and said something like "I think that would make for some awkward moments on a wedding night...ugh!"

Edited June 18, 2015 by Happyfatchick

[SongbirdHollow]

"To their credit, they did mention that they finally used birth control right at the end of the mom's childbearing years because she had a dangerous pregnancy/birth. So that's something.)"

I admit I didn't pay close attention, but my understanding was after the uterus-shredding pregnancy she actually got pregnant again. It was after the subsequent pregnancy she finally wised up and had her tubes tied.

[Fuzzysox]

This is the reason I can't watch the Willis Family.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-willis-children-ryan-illinois-corruption-edit-1107-jm-20141106-story.html

[Sew Sumi]

"To their credit, they did mention that they finally used birth control right at the end of the mom's childbearing years because she had a dangerous pregnancy/birth. So that's something.)"

I admit I didn't pay close attention, but my understanding was after the uterus-shredding pregnancy she actually got pregnant again. It was after the subsequent pregnancy she finally wised up and had her tubes tied.

Yes, this is what I heard her say. Pregnant 3 months after her uterus rupture, induced early labor to avoid labor, tubes tied. BUT, she also said that they would have had 15 or 20 had she been able. So, while she's not openly saying it, I think that, along with their religious beliefs, puts them in the Quiverfull boat. It's not a religion; it's just belief in that verse in Psalms. Their kids are obviously their ministry, and I agree with a post above: it's going to be very hard for any of those kids to leave. The oldest two write the songs, for crying out loud! And how weird would it be for a pregnant Jessica to be performing with 7 year old Jada on the same stage? This family is 8 girls; would all these perspective husbands throw all-in with the Willieses so the family can continue to crank out albums and tours? I'm not so sure...

[Clemgo3165]

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning - not that this is an argument FOR watching - just trying to understand. The Willis' were the victims of government corruption and lost several family members as a result. That their faith provides a refuge for them seems a positive to me, they've used their financials gain for good as well.

[MrsMommy]

This is the reason I can't watch the Willis Family.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-willis-children-ryan-illinois-corruption-edit-1107-jm-20141106-story.html

It won't let me read the story, i get a pop up and when u click not now it takes me something about black hawks

I'm not gonna lie I watched a few of the Willis shows but decided I'm not watching tlc again

[Fuzzysox]

It won't let me read the story, i get a pop up and when u click not now it takes me something about black hawks

I'm not gonna lie I watched a few of the Willis shows but decided I'm not watching tlc again

Maybe this link will work better. Like I stated before I live in Chicago and the Willis accident was in the news for years. I find it heart wrenching to watch because I relive the accident and get depressed. How do you come back from losing 6 kids? I find it amazing that Scott and Janet found their strength. I couldn't do it.

 

http://wgntv.com/2014/11/06/tragedy-to-triumph-the-willis-family-20-years-after-the-van-crash-that-claimed-6-of-their-9-children/

Edited June 18, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[MrsMommy]

Maybe this link will work better. Like I stated before I live in Chicago and the Willis accident was in the news for years. I find it heart wrenching to watch because I relive the accident and get depressed. How do you come back from losing 6 kids? I find it amazing that Scott and Janet found their strength. I couldn't do it.

http://wgntv.com/2014/11/06/tragedy-to-triumph-the-willis-family-20-years-after-the-van-crash-that-claimed-6-of-their-9-children/

This broke my heart :'(

[yogi2014L]

This broke my heart :'(

(from West suburbs)

I don't remember the event actually  happening but I remember the court case vividly- Dad was standing there with his serious burns on his hands and face saying how he was trying to open the van door...heartbreaking :-( I will never forget that. 

 

Anyway, I like them- the kids are talented and have personalities and don't shove hate agendas down our throats

[BitterApple]

I just can't get into another show. I tried watching the Willis series once but couldn't take the contrived "we're so crazy but at the end of the day we're just one big happy family" act. It's been played out too many times before.

[Micks Picks]

I lost my father to a fire but first he spent over 3 weeks in a burn hospital and lost limbs.  Pain is incredible, and even if he survived his life would have been hell with the scaring.  I knew the Willis family was related to the fire deaths, didn't realize the dad was the older brother of all those little kids.  That's the thing with these huge families, or any brother/sister 8-10-20 years apart in age.  There isn't a true sibling relationship there.  They didn't really grow up together, have a chance to have shared interests and stories.  The Willis dad was already married with 2 kids and 1 on the way.  The crash and deaths are tragic and I can't think of anything worse than death by fire.  The emotional reaction however seems to be somewhat different, as it is for everybody, I guess.  But kids are commodities to so many of these families.  You can't be invested in all of them.  And you can't be close siblings if you are 20 years apart.

[GEML]

Well, being pretty religious personally, and out if Fundy culture, their being religious and Fundy doesn't bother me. I just am not that interested in musical families and that "on the road" lifestyle. M

But I do like music!

[Fuzzysox]

(from West suburbs)

I don't remember the event actually happening but I remember the court case vividly- Dad was standing there with his serious burns on his hands and face saying how he was trying to open the van door...heartbreaking :-( I will never forget that.

Anyway, I like them- the kids are talented and have personalities and don't shove hate agendas down our throats

Sadly I'm a news junkie and my tv is on all day to all the news channels. I remember the day it happened and afterwards people raised money for the 6 caskets. I think they even showed a picture when Toby was talking about his brothers and sisters. While I'm happy that Scott and Janet have 32 grandchildren the horror of what happened to them will forever live in my head. Edited June 19, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[RedheadZombie]

Maybe this link will work better. Like I stated before I live in Chicago and the Willis accident was in the news for years. I find it heart wrenching to watch because I relive the accident and get depressed. How do you come back from losing 6 kids? I find it amazing that Scott and Janet found their strength. I couldn't do it.

http://wgntv.com/2014/11/06/tragedy-to-triumph-the-willis-family-20-years-after-the-van-crash-that-claimed-6-of-their-9-children/

I'm from the NW Chicago suburbs, and I remember this vividly. The resulting scandal brought down the governor.

[Fuzzysox]

I'm from the NW Chicago suburbs, and I remember this vividly. The resulting scandal brought down the governor.

Yes so horrific!

[kokapetl]

I finally watched a clip of the Willises online. They sound a lot like the Corrs, right down to the tin whistle and fiddle. They even have the three identical photogenic sisters too.

Their overt Celtic/irishness flavor is a bit much. They named their dog Lothlórien.

[frenchtoast]

I've only ever heard of Lothlorien from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. I prefer to believe that they read those books and named their dog after a magical Elvish place.

[ChicksDigScars]

Okay, so last night I watched Bringing Up Bates and it was a viewer question and answer show. One of them was, "Do you think that there will ever be a Bates/Duggar wedding?" and most of the kids raised the "yes" paddle. 

 

My guess is that it was filmed before shit hit the fan in Tontitown. Now, maybe Gil isn't so inclined to see a courtship happen, unless it's Joe, who's been at Clown College the past year. Has he been staying with the Bates? If he's been away from the freak show and part of the Bates household, they may think he's all right.

[Sew Sumi]

Joe does not stay with the Bateses. Clown College requires non-locals to live in the dorms. But I agree, there will be no Bates/Duggar courtship unless it's something like Judson and Josie (ie. years and years down the line). However, it's very possible that Tori liked Joe, and Gil put the kibosh on developing a friendship any further. I think Joe was already home by the time the scandal broke, so it would have been easier for him to talk to Tori, if this was indeed the pairing the Bateses had in mind during that Q&A (filmed last winter, IIRC).

[zenme]

Awww...that would be an unfortunate thing if Gil ended a possible relationship between Joe and Tori over JOSH's dumbass, or his dumbass parents.