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doodlebug
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I'm from a fairly big city and raised mostly in town though also the suburbs.  I've had the same experience.  I attend a Catholic church and am active in several volunteer things there including medic

Aja
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Once again, Michelle, I'm going to have to bum you out with a big old steaming pile of fact: I was born a girl, I'm glad to be a girl, I'm very feminine looking, I love being feminine looking...AND I'

doodlebug
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Happens all the time.  Had someone tell us they couldn't pay the bill for prenatal care because they were building a new house and couldn't spare the money.  Another had just bought a new car.  BTW, i

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GeeGolly

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I think all the sons make their own money. And of course the daughters are supposed to rely on their husbands. Right now the only ones who really need to worry about JB&M's funds drying up are Jana, if she is to forever remain single and Josh, because he likely won't be able to get a job, other than working for one of his brothers, or another Fundy. I see no reason the Lost Girls won't marry.

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Scarlett45

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On 10/9/2023 at 1:45 PM, GeeGolly said:

I think all the sons make their own money. And of course the daughters are supposed to rely on their husbands. Right now the only ones who really need to worry about JB&M's funds drying up are Jana, if she is to forever remain single and Josh, because he likely won't be able to get a job, other than working for one of his brothers, or another Fundy. I see no reason the Lost Girls won't marry.

Jana will likely be just fine if she remains single. She remembers the years of poverty and seems to have a lick of sense. When it’s just “you” you can live very well on much less than if you’re trying to support dependents. She has a number of skills (caregiving and other domestic skills) and likely isn’t spending her payout on dumb shit (also she has no expenses now). 
 

I think Jessa has more to worry about as Ben doesn’t earn much and she stays right under JB’s thumb. Also Anna, given her husband is Josh. 

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satrunrose

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I think Jana, as always, is a bit of a question mark. Does she get actual income from the properties in her name? When JB and Michelle are gone (assuming she's still single) is she expected to move in with JD or Josh (if he's out of prison)? Does she move between her siblings every few months like the maiden aunt in a victorian novel? Worst case scenario, she gets 1/19th and the more time that passes, the clearer it is that that isn't likely to be set for life money, even for a single person if they have living expenses. 

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mythoughtis

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What does Jana do for money in the future… after JB dies or goes broke?  Has she earned enough ‘quarters’ to qualify for social security when she’s too old to work?   
Yes, she currently has no real expenses - but she probably also doesn’t have much income.  An allowance from JB is probably her major source of income. 

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Natalie68

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On 9/18/2023 at 2:24 PM, GeeGolly said:

I certainly can see the kids trusting JB with doing their taxes but... did they know what income tax was? And if they did they must have received an income.

Or perhaps JB fed them some bullshit story about Mad Family money, but again they would have known at least JB was receiving money. 

Derick had said he thought the show was a ministry and no one was paid.

You'd think if Meech took the time to talk bankruptcy she could have spent a minute on income tax.  Keeping the kids ignorant of real world shit to save his bank account.  That's the JB way.

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Natalie68

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On 10/11/2023 at 2:24 PM, satrunrose said:

I think Jana, as always, is a bit of a question mark. Does she get actual income from the properties in her name? When JB and Michelle are gone (assuming she's still single) is she expected to move in with JD or Josh (if he's out of prison)? Does she move between her siblings every few months like the maiden aunt in a victorian novel? Worst case scenario, she gets 1/19th and the more time that passes, the clearer it is that that isn't likely to be set for life money, even for a single person if they have living expenses. 

She and Josie will be Big and Little Edie.  Too mean?

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Salacious Kitty

Salacious Kitty

22 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

You'd think if Meech took the time to talk bankruptcy she could have spent a minute on income tax.  Keeping the kids ignorant of real world shit to save his bank account.  That's the JB way.

I think Gothard focused on bankruptcy because most of his families weren't that well off. Then he has them spending money on his programs and services like ATI. That probably broke many families. 

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CalicoKitty

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25 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

You'd think if Meech took the time to talk bankruptcy she could have spent a minute on income tax.  Keeping the kids ignorant of real world shit to save his bank account.  That's the JB way.

Only if the Wisdom Book had a chapter on income tax.  That is a topic that probably isn't too important because the kids are only supposed to work for a family member (in this case, JB).  Figuring out a way to not report any income would be more in line with their thinking, it seems.

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GeeGolly

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The Duggars and their bankruptcy lessons are no match for the polygamous Brown Family. Two wives filed their own bankruptcies and a different wife filed with the husband. They seemed to have had a bankruptcy ever 5 years until they got their TLC show and became MLM queens.

I wonder if any of the Duggars will end up going that route.

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ChiCricket

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On 10/13/2023 at 2:55 PM, GeeGolly said:

The Duggars and their bankruptcy lessons are no match for the polygamous Brown Family. Two wives filed their own bankruptcies and a different wife filed with the husband. They seemed to have had a bankruptcy ever 5 years until they got their TLC show and became MLM queens.

I wonder if any of the Duggars will end up going that route.

By going polygamist? 😁

(could you even imagine any of them going down that route?) 🤣 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Another interesting comparison between the Polyg Browns and the Duggars.

Christine is arguably the viewers/snarkers favorite (ex) wife of the four wives. She has 6 kids, 1 son, 5 daughters. The son, Paedon was verbally and physically abusive to his sister Gwen when they were kids. Christine made sure she and Paedon were never left alone once the abuse was known. Fast forward to present time and it gets more complicated - Gwen came out as bisexual a few years ago and recently married her girlfriend. Paedon is a loud and proud homophobe.

Christine also recently got married and had her son Paedon walk her down the aisle. For unknown reasons Gwen did not attend the wedding.

All this just to say, Christine had her daughter's abuser walk her down the aisle, yet she is the favored character of the bunch. Such a contrast to the JB&M Josh situation.

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On 10/16/2023 at 9:54 AM, GeeGolly said:

Another interesting comparison between the Polyg Browns and the Duggars.

Christine is arguably the viewers/snarkers favorite (ex) wife of the four wives. She has 6 kids, 1 son, 5 daughters. The son, Paedon was verbally and physically abusive to his sister Gwen when they were kids. Christine made sure she and Paedon were never left alone once the abuse was known. Fast forward to present time and it gets more complicated - Gwen came out as bisexual a few years ago and recently married her girlfriend. Paedon is a loud and proud homophobe.

Christine also recently got married and had her son Paedon walk her down the aisle. For unknown reasons Gwen did not attend the wedding.

All this just to say, Christine had her daughter's abuser walk her down the aisle, yet she is the favored character of the bunch. Such a contrast to the JB&M Josh situation.

Personally- if JB and Michelle wish to socialize with Josh, and include him in things because he is their son I think that is their right and respect that. But they also need to respect if their other children don’t want him in their lives given what he’s done. 
 

However the difference between a Christine/Gwen/Paedon situation and a JB/Michelle/Josh/other kids that in the same position JB & Michelle forced Josh’s victims to make apologizes for him, minimize their feelings, lie to the public about what happened to save the brand.
 

Christine respects that Gwen doesn’t want to be around Paedon. Gwen has her own platform where she speaks candidly about her feelings yet is still accepted and supported by her Mom. When Christine saw how bad things were she made sure they were always supervised together. Christine didn’t make Gwen invite Paedon to her wedding or claim she was a “bad daughter/family member” for not “forgiving him”, which is exactly what JB/Michelle would’ve done.  
 

I can see Christine trying to be a Mom to both kids. I’ve seen JB/Michelle care about 1. Their image, 2. Josh. That’s the difference for me. 

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GeeGolly

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I've said all along parenting both the perpetrator and the victim(s) is far from straightforward.

I dislike JB&M for a plethora of reasons but I don't blame them for Josh's bad deeds and crimes. And I think a lot of behaviors that have been assigned to them likely aren't true. From what I've read Jill said throughout her book she had a wonderful childhood and felt very loved and protected by her parents.

I like Christine and think she was an average parent and certainly don't blame her for Paedon's behaviors. I do think Christine has had a lot of positive behaviors assigned to her that aren't true. From what we're hearing now the Browns' early years were not all sunshine and roses.

I guess what I'm saying is while I understand the contrast, and I dislike JB&M and like Christine, I think its far more complicated than meets the eye.

 

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lascuba

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On 10/19/2023 at 2:24 AM, Zella said:

I can't get over what an awful name Paedon is. It makes some of the Duggar gems, like Jinger and Spurgeon, almost sound like poetry. 

Incredibly, Paedon is one of the lesser offensive names of Christine's kids. That woman loves a random y...Aspyn, Truly, Ysabel, Mykelti(?!?!?!).

I still think those are better than Spurgeon, though. 😂

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Zella

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1 hour ago, lascuba said:

Incredibly, Paedon is one of the lesser offensive names of Christine's kids. That woman loves a random y...Aspyn, Truly, Ysabel, Mykelti(?!?!?!).

I still think those are better than Spurgeon, though. 😂

Aspyn is really awful. I wouldn't name a kid Truly, but I have read a book with a protagonist named Truly, so I will allow it if it were spelled Truly and not Truely. LOLOL

Mykelti--I wonder if they got that from actor Mykelti Williamson, aka Bubba in Forrest Gump and Limehouse in Justified. 

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sagittarius sue

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38 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Yeah the names are not my style and the spellings are not my style either.

 

Maybe Mykelti is some kind of a prophet or something. Or a restaurant that sold good nachos.

Per Mykelti Williamson the name Mykelti is a boy's name meaning "silent friend".  He was given it by his half-Blackfoot Indian grandfather

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On 9/16/2023 at 11:57 PM, Jeeves said:

So I was thinking that JB must have been very confident that he would just roll along for the rest of his life being in total control of all the family's money, with the kids only getting their share of the family wealth after both he and Michelle had died.

Abusers never consider their control ending.    It's not a 100% exact correlation, but abusers tend to be narcissists.   They literally cannot see anything other than in relation to them.   That means they don't see anyone leaving their control or even really existing without them.   It's why abusers get so nasty when someone attempts to leave their control.   It's not just the loss of control, its the destroying the abuser's worldview that they are center of the universe and no one or no thing exists independently of them.   Case in point:   JB absolutely positively losing it when Jill demanded her money.    A non-abusive narcissist would have said "yeah I was trying to get as big a refund as possible, but I invested all that money for you, here's the account, its yours now."   But the abusive narcissist sees it as "I don't think you are so great, you don't handle everything perfectly, you are WRONG."    Hence the threats and everything else he did to justify his actions. 

I've said it before, JB was attracted to Gothardism not believe this is the way to heaven but because this is a religion that feeds his narcissism.     He is required to be in control and everyone must do what he says.   That's why the 200 year plan appealed to him.   Not a "tribe" to take over the world and usher in the Kingdom of Heaven, but thousands of people who he controls.   

Michelle is not much better.   But her narcissism is about the attention she gets rather than the control over others.   Which could explain why she dropped of the contract.   She knew she would get attention for doing it.

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BetyBee

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I've been thinking about Jim Boob, probably because I listen to the Digging up the Duggars podcast. I really detest what JB and Meech have done to their family. I've been thinking lately that JB is probably just a stupid, insecure male. I mean, it's so dumb to make someone like Bill Gothard your leader. His program and opinions are stupid and he never even followed his own advice. I'm sure that what attracted JB to Gothard's way of life was the fact that he'd be the dictator for life over all of his kids....well, that's how it's supposed to work anyway. It's misogynistic bullcrap that is a distortion of Biblical values, but JB couldn't resist the power trip. He's an awful, awful man!

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20 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

It is kind of amazing the Duggar family went from small homes and violins to a huge home with pianos and harps. They really were the JRods and TLC helped them put their grift into overdrive.

Bringing this over from the Dillards topic.

I actually hate to write this. I know, the Duggars were living in a hellhole little house, with the bigger house far from finished, and eating cheap food, before TLC came along.

But. As odious as he is, JB has really worked to support his family. In SHP, Jill talked about how he had a tow truck business when she was a little kid, and he would be called out at all hours. Sometimes she would ride along with him, and she enjoyed that. She said the smell of diesel fuel brings back those memories to her. I wouldn't be surprised if JB gets busted some day for sketchy biz dealings or tax dodges. If it's true that he drained $200K of his own capital on his idiotic race to unseat his party's serving US Senator, while his family was squashed into that little house and living on cheap food - he's a schmuck.

But AFAIK he did real work, including the tow truck and stocking shelves in a supermarket, as well as the used car biz and real estate. JB has a level of hustle and willingness to actually do some WORK to get ahead, that appears significantly absent in the makeup of David Rodrigues. David quit his real job to be a traveling preacher, a "missionary." But he's a low energy, low effort version of that. He's admitted he has just a few sermons that he uses and re-uses. IIRC his "printing ministry" offers just a few publications to its clients. I mean, the man can't be bothered to write a new sermon, or create a new flyer to offer his brothers and sisters in Christ? 

Now that I've pointed out their differences? I don't know what's worse. JB, the nasty hustler. Or David the lazy drifter and grifter. 

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floridamom

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I would not give JB credit for being on call 24/7 with the tow truck as something great or heroic. Many people in different professions/trades are on call 24/7. My husband who worked for hospitals in a non clinical position was on call 24/7 also. He was called out in the middle of the night, in the rain, thunder and lightning and sometimes had to go on the hospital roof for the repair(s) needed at 3am awakened from a sound sleep. Back to JB, I also don't remember that he did all of those businesses/jobs at one time; these were over the years Yes, he wasn't lazy but he had no choice as his family was already living, IMO, on the brink of poverty in their standard of living. The man had saved $200K those years ago. I wonder with inflation, what the value of that sum would be today? I also heard that his mother gave him that money to run for office.....the he didn't save it himself. Does anyone know what actually is the truth here?

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GeeGolly

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No doubt both JB&M worked hard in the first few years of their marriage. I wouldn't however give too much props for a 24/7 tow truck driver as I'm guessing his middle of the night tows were few and far between.

I also don't think the Duggar parents worked any harder than the average parents of a young family. The difference being most young families don't have church members dropping off "love offerings", a woman doing their laundry, discounts on music lessons, etc. So yup they worked hard AND they grifted hard.

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AstridM

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4 hours ago, floridamom said:

I would not give JB credit for being on call 24/7 with the tow truck as something great or heroic. Many people in different professions/trades are on call 24/7. My husband who worked for hospitals in a non clinical position was on call 24/7 also. He was called out in the middle of the night, in the rain, thunder and lightning and sometimes had to go on the hospital roof for the repair(s) needed at 3am awakened from a sound sleep. Back to JB, I also don't remember that he did all of those businesses/jobs at one time; these were over the years Yes, he wasn't lazy but he had no choice as his family was already living, IMO, on the brink of poverty in their standard of living. The man had saved $200K those years ago. I wonder with inflation, what the value of that sum would be today? I also heard that his mother gave him that money to run for office.....the he didn't save it himself. Does anyone know what actually is the truth here?

He also had parents who already owned real estate, thus his “in” to that field. 

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andromeda331

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5 hours ago, Nysha said:

Handed to him or night, he did work a real job as opposed to his sons who are all working for daddy.

Yeah he did. But he's the reason his sons work for him. He kept them under educated and with no skills or people skills. Had they had they had either or both most probably would have jobs someone else.

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floridamom

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Jim Bob was never going to be homeschooled. His sister went to public school all the way through. Not sure when Jim Bob entered that Christian school but it was a real school. Perhaps he started out in public school and that would have been a real education also. I don't think JL had any home schooling thoughts about either of his children. Besides, Mary worked a regular job or jobs throughout her life so she could not home school her kids.

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SnapHappy

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So my half-ass opinion is that JB & Michelle went to Texas to see Josh over Christmas & left the house to the kids.  

I just can't see him willingly accepting glad tidings of great joy from Deernut, the snotrag who called him a pimp in print.  And in interviews.  And in magazines. 

Is JB that forgiving and Christ-like? 

Not a single pic thus far has even a part of a glimpse of a sliver of either one of them.  Now, I'm sure there are loads of pics as yet unseen, so maybe they issued stern warnings to their kids to leave them out of any photos.  But maybe they were there celebrating up a storm. 

I'm skeptical.

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