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doodlebug
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I'm from a fairly big city and raised mostly in town though also the suburbs.  I've had the same experience.  I attend a Catholic church and am active in several volunteer things there including medic

Aja
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Once again, Michelle, I'm going to have to bum you out with a big old steaming pile of fact: I was born a girl, I'm glad to be a girl, I'm very feminine looking, I love being feminine looking...AND I'

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Happens all the time.  Had someone tell us they couldn't pay the bill for prenatal care because they were building a new house and couldn't spare the money.  Another had just bought a new car.  BTW, i

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Salacious Kitty

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3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Could have been a Caldwell, Spivey or Pecanman.

Probably not Spivey, but the other two are reasonable guesses, especially Pa Caldwell. This would have been before Pecan's days as a preacher, but during his employment as a higher up in the IBLP. I just don't picture him knowing about burner phones. 😂

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Zella

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How about Hilaria as creepy text message writer?

Disclaimer: I don't actually think she wrote it, but I could see someone in their circle like her deciding to compose such a missive. 

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AstridM

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1 hour ago, Zella said:

How about Hilaria as creepy text message writer?

Disclaimer: I don't actually think she wrote it, but I could see someone in their circle like her deciding to compose such a missive. 

She’s nowhere near as articulate as the writer of that text .

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merylinkid

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3 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Probably not Spivey, but the other two are reasonable guesses, especially Pa Caldwell. This would have been before Pecan's days as a preacher, but during his employment as a higher up in the IBLP. I just don't picture him knowing about burner phones. 😂

Oh he learned so much from Gothard.  I bet burner phones were used to intimidate those who wanted to report the abuse.  David waller seems as dippy as his wife but he is deep in the cult  and a huge proponent of it.

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Salacious Kitty

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6 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Oh he learned so much from Gothard.  I bet burner phones were used to intimidate those who wanted to report the abuse.  David waller seems as dippy as his wife but he is deep in the cult  and a huge proponent of it.

I think it was Gothard who said he was proud not to have a cell phone. While I'm sure Pecan has one, I just don't see him as nefarious enough to delve into the world of burners. 😃

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Zella

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1 hour ago, AstridM said:

She’s nowhere near as articulate as the writer of that text .

That's an entirely fair point. I mainly just like to envision Hilaria having all sorts of adventures because she cracks me up. I fully realize the text itself is not funny, though. 

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awaken

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Agreed; can’t think of a Duggar articulate enough to write that. 
 

Yet, there are some really strange typos!  “Love covers all sings” “speaking to the ears of a fook “

could got hard himself have sent it?  I think Caldwell or the odious Gil bates are likely culprits. 

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cmr2014

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23 hours ago, Zella said:

How about Hilaria as creepy text message writer?

Disclaimer: I don't actually think she wrote it, but I could see someone in their circle like her deciding to compose such a missive. 

I don't think it was a woman, and if it was a woman, she was regurgitating something she had been told. This sort of "logic" as it pertains to scripture is 100% the province of men in their world.

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Salacious Kitty

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1 minute ago, cmr2014 said:

I don't think it was a woman, and if it was a woman, she was regurgitating something she had been told. This sort of "logic" as it pertains to scripture is 100% the province of men in their world.

Definitely had a male "voice" to it. 

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sixlets

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When reading the full text, my first thought went to Gil Bates.  Out of the Duggar fundie adjacents, he comes across as somewhat intelligent enough to come up with such a missive.  Yes, he's an idiot for being involved with IBLP and Gothard, but he could still have "book smarts".  

My second guess was Michelle 😉

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GeeGolly

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Could be Pecan. Prissy's phone probably is a "burner" phone. One they bought her 6 kids ago and she's yet to go through her minutes.

Can you imagine typing all that out on an old phone?

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dariafan

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4 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I think that feeling is universal. 😃

I like to take a break from crocheting. And listening to digging up the duggars to say it 😆 about once a week 

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dariafan

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When all the stuff about j’inmate started coming out , iblp should have stopped having them be featured speakers and stuff.   History in sixtie on tik tok had dental surgery , so I’ve been watching previous videos and they just did such a disservice to their children.  Mostly the girls, but all of them 

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sagittarius sue

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On 8/10/2023 at 11:08 AM, dariafan said:

When all the stuff about j’inmate started coming out , iblp should have stopped having them be featured speakers and stuff.   History in sixtie on tik tok had dental surgery , so I’ve been watching previous videos and they just did such a disservice to their children.  Mostly the girls, but all of them 

I don't think the Duggars have been featured speakers at IBLP affairs for the past two years.

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Salacious Kitty

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41 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I don't think the Duggars have been featured speakers at IBLP affairs for the past two years.

No they haven't. The IBLP seems to be trying to skew younger with speakers like David Waller. It was convenient that the FF got arrested and convicted during this phase. 

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GeeGolly

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A very, very quick scroll through the Family Conference IG...

The last time JB&M were speakers was in March of 2021. I believe this year Michaela Bates' husband spoke. Some guy named Caleb Reed seems to be a new consistent face, along with a handful of varying old white guys.

Pecan and Gill show up a couple of times on the IG in the years 2022/23.

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I just finished a book about DV survivors. The story mentioned repeatedly about women wearing long sleeves and dark stockings (and make-up) to cover up bruises. I thought of Michelle. I mean, I know her dark stockings are probably support hose or an attempt to cover up varicose veins. But I thought  how JB holds on to her in every pic to show his ownership. I do believe Gothard probably thinks the all powerful husband has the right to beat his wife and his children. I hope JB doesn't "encourage" Michelle through violence. But they believe in blanket training babies, so these are not gentle, loving people!

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Bringing this over from the Dillards topic. It refers to a meeting described in an excerpt from Jill's book published the other day in People magazine. In that meeting, with a moderator/mediator present, JB got angry, came out of his seat and stood over Jill while berating her.

20 minutes ago, Absolom said:

All those experiences plus going through therapy makes a big difference plus being away from JB.  That Jim Bob think it's OK to be terrorizing Jill in front of witnesses really makes me wonder how he acts in private.  

Excellent point.

I had that thought when JB behaved so arrogantly and inappropriately when on the witness stand in federal court, in a pretrial hearing in Josh's case.

He didn't like being shown the police report and asked about it, and said "I'm not going to allow it" and, turning to the judge, "Are you going to allow that?"

He was told by the judge that "if there is an objection to be made, someone will make it, but it won't be you." Heh.

I mean, who has the hubris to sit in federal court, sworn in as a witness, and act like HE's the one who's large and in charge? 

Someone who is very used to calling ALL the shots on the daily in their life, IMO. Lord knows what he gets up to and what kind of heavy handed control he exercises over people. 

ETA: here's a link to one of many articles and posts about JB's acting-out in court: https://cafemom.com/entertainment/jim-bob-duggar-testify-against-josh. And BTW the judge found his testimony to lack credibility (that's law speak for "the sumbitch lied").

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1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I remember that tantrum well. He really thinks his shit doesn't stink.

But I bet he’s one of those people who otherwise claims to be all about “law and order.” 🤦‍♀️

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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Bringing this over from the Dillards topic. It refers to a meeting described in an excerpt from Jill's book published the other day in People magazine. In that meeting, with a moderator/mediator present, JB got angry, came out of his seat and stood over Jill while berating her.

Excellent point.

I had that thought when JB behaved so arrogantly and inappropriately when on the witness stand in federal court, in a pretrial hearing in Josh's case.

He didn't like being shown the police report and asked about it, and said "I'm not going to allow it" and, turning to the judge, "Are you going to allow that?"

He was told by the judge that "if there is an objection to be made, someone will make it, but it won't be you." Heh.

I mean, who has the hubris to sit in federal court, sworn in as a witness, and act like HE's the one who's large and in charge? 

Someone who is very used to calling ALL the shots on the daily in their life, IMO. Lord knows what he gets up to and what kind of heavy handed control he exercises over people. 

ETA: here's a link to one of many articles and posts about JB's acting-out in court: https://cafemom.com/entertainment/jim-bob-duggar-testify-against-josh. And BTW the judge found his testimony to lack credibility (that's law speak for "the sumbitch lied").

The same person who forced two of his daughters aka victims of his son to give an interview downplaying what happened to them and that their parents' did everything right and insisted in the same interview that he and Michelle did everything right in dealing with Josh when we know everything they did was wrong. Half of the outrage was at Josh and the other half was at JB and Michelle for doing nothing while four girls including three of their daughter's were molested and when they finally had to do something sent him to do construction or whatever for three months, put locks on the daughters' door, forced their daughters to forgive him and continued to cook and clean for him and took Josh to talk to a cop who later was convicted of the same thing Josh was would be convicted of years later. The same person or people who put their family on TV sprouting "Christian" values and holding up Josh as an example afterwards. The same man who brainwashes his kids that everything outside their bubble is evil. Any criticizm of him is just the evil media, Satan, etc. The same man who must control everything his kids do and don't do even after they are married. He thinks he's all that but he's really just a tiny, tiny pathetic man who can't handle being told he's wrong or not doing as he says. 

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Scarlett45

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15 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

took Josh to talk to a cop who later was convicted of the same thing Josh was would be convicted of years later.

You know, I always wondered, WHAT was the logic behind taking Josh to see THAT particular cop. I know that people who view CSA is larger than I would like to think, but I don’t think it’s common or typical. What about this man made JB think that he would have anything WISE to say to Josh to keep him from bringing shame upon the family??!!!

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Salacious Kitty

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2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

You know, I always wondered, WHAT was the logic behind taking Josh to see THAT particular cop. I know that people who view CSA is larger than I would like to think, but I don’t think it’s common or typical. What about this man made JB think that he would have anything WISE to say to Josh to keep him from bringing shame upon the family??!!!

AFAIK, he was a buddy of JB's. I guess JB felt the guy would give FF a stern IBLP talking to. Coming from someone not directly involved with their insular church might have more of an impact than being talked to by Jim Holt. 

Of course, that guy had his own dirty secrets. 

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GeeGolly

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7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

AFAIK, he was a buddy of JB's. I guess JB felt the guy would give FF a stern IBLP talking to. Coming from someone not directly involved with their insular church might have more of an impact than being talked to by Jim Holt. 

Of course, that guy had his own dirty secrets. 

Yea, I think it was a 'scared straight' attempt by JB through a buddy who was a cop.

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Scarlett45

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2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

AFAIK, he was a buddy of JB's. I guess JB felt the guy would give FF a stern IBLP talking to. Coming from someone not directly involved with their insular church might have more of an impact than being talked to by Jim Holt. 

Of course, that guy had his own dirty secrets. 

 

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Yea, I think it was a 'scared straight' attempt by JB through a buddy who was a cop.

Yes I get that it was a “scared straight” attempt, but what are the statistical chances that this cop was a viewer of CSA and would end up convicted and sentenced just like Josh. Did JB and Michelle see similarities between this man and Josh, and thought this man had “over come” or “become sly”(let me vomit now) or was it a strange coincidence? Or they thought this man wouldn’t be horrified and tell them to seek professional help for their son like another person outside of IBLP would? 

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Salacious Kitty

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Just now, Scarlett45 said:

 

Yes I get that it was a “scared straight” attempt, but what are the statistical chances that this cop was a viewer of CSA and would end up convicted and sentenced just like Josh. Did JB and Michelle see similarities between this man and Josh, and thought this man had “over come” or “become sly”(let me vomit now) or was it a strange coincidence? 

I believe he was still employed as a state trooper when JB hauled the FF in for their talk. He was busted after the fact.

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GeeGolly

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3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

 

Yes I get that it was a “scared straight” attempt, but what are the statistical chances that this cop was a viewer of CSA and would end up convicted and sentenced just like Josh. Did JB and Michelle see similarities between this man and Josh, and thought this man had “over come” or “become sly”(let me vomit now) or was it a strange coincidence? Or they thought this man wouldn’t be horrified and tell them to seek professional help for their son like another person outside of IBLP would? 

Hmmm, the odds, IMO, were likely fair to middling. I don't think the Duggars, and more specifically JB, have friends of high caliber. I don't think JB knew the cop was a bad guy though.

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ChiCricket

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The mother in this article reminded me of Jim-Bob and Michelle's reactions to Josh having CSA material. WTHeck is wrong with some people?!😠

https://faithfullymagazine.com/austin-wray-perkins-youth-pastor-arrested-child-porn/

"Perkins’ distraught mother confirmed that he has worked at Grace Fellowship Baptist Church for years.

“This is my youngest child. This is my churchgoing child. This is my child that tries to help everybody,” Kelly Bishop told a local news station.

“I don’t understand,” Bishop said. She went on to say that she did not believe he was guilty of the charges leveled against him."

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Scarlett45

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2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I believe he was still employed as a state trooper when JB hauled the FF in for their talk. He was busted after the fact.

I am not articulating myself well- I apologize. 
 

Yes, I am aware he was busted after the fact (several years later). But this man they took to Josh to be “scared straight” was the same type of criminal Josh grew up to be. What are the chances? Did they KNOW or strongly suspect this man and their son had anything in common? Was it just a strange happen stance? Hindsight being 20/20. 

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Hmmm, the odds, IMO, were likely fair to middling. I don't think the Duggars, and more specifically JB, have friends of high caliber. I don't think JB knew the cop was a bad guy though.

I see your point. 

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andromeda331

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4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I am not articulating myself well- I apologize. 
 

Yes, I am aware he was busted after the fact (several years later). But this man they took to Josh to be “scared straight” was the same type of criminal Josh grew up to be. What are the chances? Did they KNOW or strongly suspect this man and their son had anything in common? Was it just a strange happen stance? Hindsight being 20/20. 

I see your point. 

I go back and forth on whether JB knew his friend CSA or not. The odds out of all the cops on the force at the time he took Josh to one who was into CSA. It's entirely possible he didn't know. But JB has surrounded him by so many terrible people. Josh tried to blame it on a friend and employee who sexually assulted a minor, the head of their organization sexually harassed women and minors, which no one cared about until he became a liability, Jill's incompetent midwife Theresa who lost her license because a baby died, I can't remember if it was her or another incompetent midwife's husband was an addict or something else. Erin Bates' sister-in-law was arranged to marry a convicted rapist, I'm probably forgetting others. But there's been a lot of shady people around the family so did he really not know about his friend?

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