S05.E09: Live And Learn

[kassa]

I understand that Jennifer is Brandi's true friend, but that disturbs me.  This is a woman who is a supposed sober coach by trade, and I would assume a former user.  Yet she's frequently accompanying Brandi while she's drinking and mixing prescription meds. 

Well, keep in mind that Jennifer took the residents of her sober house on an LA-wide manhunt for one of their sober house-mates who had gone on a bender.  “It’s 2 in the morning!  We need to find him!  Quick – everybody in the van!”  You know, as opposed to “he’s in charge of his own sobriety – say a prayer for him, get your rest, and hopefully we’ll have more info in the morning.” 

 

From what I've read, she's pursuing work in the entertainment industry.  Hopefully, she'll find success. 

 

 

She was actually a model/actress before the sober house stuff.  Did music videos and some movie parts – then she got sober and got fat and lost weight and has been trying to fight her way back through reality tv ever since.  If you google her, she really was quite beautiful (and still looks good, I think).

 

Maybe Kyle wishes her own mother would have done the same for her? For me, it was interesting to hear Kyle talk about her mother not encouraging her to go to college with a bit of sadness. It is probably the closest I have ever seen Kyle come to criticizing her mother.

 

 

She doesn’t do it often, but she occasionally makes it pretty clear that she wasn’t raised right.  In the first season she talked about driving around Hollywood at some ungodly young age, unlicensed, and basically said nobody cared what she did and it was her responsibility to get to and from work.  Can’t recall if she said her mom was busy with Kim, but that was the implication I took.

Edited January 15, 2015 by kassa

[ryebread]

Skiing is only at Mt Lemmon's Ski Valley; the only houses in the Santa Catalinas is around Summerhaven with a few legacy cottages here and there. I find it hard to believe your friends have a $6 million house there; land and water is too scarce up there for anything sizeable, ryebread.

 

Isn't Mt. Lemmon's in the Santa Catalinas?  It's not my friend's house (cuz I'd so be there) - it's 1 of 2 houses of ill repute where her son is staying and partying. LOL  I only remember she said Santa Catalinas because when I told another friend what was going on, I said Catalinas, and it took off like a game of telephone - before I knew it, our circle of friends were saying that there was a  6mil house in AZ and a 6mil house on Catalina Island.  From the pictures the kid had on Instagram, one of many, many rooms in the house was big enough to hold what looked like 250 people. Apparently raves are all the rage with this group of kids. I'll ask her where the house is exactly.

 

As for Lisa and her treatment of Max--I think that she mentions that he's adopted a lot.

 

What aggravates me is that in the press he is frequently referred to as her 'adopted son, Max'.  He's her son.  Period.

[CatMomma]

It looks to me like Brandi is trying to leave and Kyle is trying to stop her so Brandi grabs her and shoves her. Hard to tell exactly though.

That's what it looked like to me.  Brandi is walking and kinda blocking Kyle, so Kyle grabs her arm and it looks like whatever Brandi was carrying went flying. Brandi says something like, "Don't touch me!" and shoves her pretty hard.  It looked like Kyle almost fell.

[copacabana]

Just to put in a plug for U of A and its fantastic astronomy department -- Steward Observatory is awesome. I'd be happy to have Kyle and Mauricio go visit Alexia a lot if it means being able to enjoy Tucson. For my money, the Umansky connection -- the warmth and intelligence of the Jewish-Mexican background and Mo's abilities and common sense -- have been a great blessing to Kyle.  I'm starting to understand why it is that she goes nuts when even a hint of possible infidelity takes place. And why she wishes for the same kind of guy for her poor lonely sister. 

 

He had a great moment when he came back to the room with her and they'd hugged and cried and she said something like, I know we have to to feel happy ... and he was, like, No, we don't!  At least not right now.  It struck the perfect chord and helped her laugh and get over herself.  It was very nice. That's the kind of thing that money just can't buy. 

 

If this is the start of a real turning of the tide for the Vanderpump-Todds, I'm in.  It's about time. On the surface this seemed like a pretty dull episode.  Not really, just took a few days to fully sink in. 

[izabella]

As a part of the viewing audience of the show, I don't want anyone speaking for me saying what "the audience" is bored with.  I enjoyed this episode because I started watching the Real Housewives franchises to get a glimpse into the lives of "well-to-do" women.  I find the show the most entertaining when it's authentic regardless of it being dramatic or calm.  It was particularly refreshing to see Kyle with her family because those were real moments and not producer-manufactured drama.

 

I agree with you on the authenticity - most of the stuff with the kids is authentic, and it does give us that glimpse into their real lives.

 

At the same time, I thought this episode had way too much kid stuff and not much else.  Bella, Alexia, Max, Eileen's kids, agh!  It wasn't broken up with anything but Brandi and her stupid friends watching a stupid show about her ex. 

 

They overloaded on the kid stuff, and all of it was the SAME kid stuff - kid grows up and leaves home, wah, wah, rinse repeat.  Every time I'd look up, oh, it's another scene with someone's kid growing up.  I'm surprised they didn't go back to wherever it was Kim's daughter went last year for a follow-up so Kim could do some more crying.

 

I like seeing the kids every now and then, but an entire episode devoted to all of them was too much for me.

[msblossom]

Is this the same scene where Kim appears drunk and smoking a cigar? If so. Did Kim leave first followed by Brandi shoving Kyle?

Next week looks like a doozy and I'm betting things go downhill from here with Kim. Kyle has to be pulling her hair out with all this. I wonder if Kyle's able to stop running interference now that Kim's kids are grown and their essentially on their own now.

[Avaleigh]

Okay, so Kyle does grab her arm then. Ugh, damn it, Kyle. Brandi doesn't get a pass on this by any means but this doesn't quite fall under unprovoked attack as the other two incidents do.

 

I'm taking the rest of my post to the past seasons thread.

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/18176-past-seasons/page-3#entry711491

[RedHawk]

I'll take kids, house porn, family vacations, pleasant dinners, and whatnot over screaming drunken fights and nitpicking over who owes who an apology for something that happened 4 seasons ago.

 

Just to put in a plug for U of A and its fantastic astronomy department -- Steward Observatory is awesome. I'd be happy to have Kyle and Mauricio go visit Alexia a lot if it means being able to enjoy Tucson. For my money, the Umansky connection -- the warmth and intelligence of the Jewish-Mexican background and Mo's abilities and common sense -- have been a great blessing to Kyle.  I'm starting to understand why it is that she goes nuts when even a hint of possible infidelity takes place. And why she wishes for the same kind of guy for her poor lonely sister.

 

Just word up on all of this. I love astronomy and go to AZ once a year for stargazing. Definitely think that Kyle hit the jackpot on her husband and I, too, would be worried about infidelity, especially in the world they live in. I can see Kyle being as much if not more of a mess than Kim if she hadn't met Mo. 

Edited January 15, 2015 by RedHawk

[Satchels of gold]

I really like Lisa and will forgive her many things but that family conversation rubbed me the wrong way. I have an adopted daughter from Central Asia who is my mini me in so many and yet so different in others. That sort of is the beauty of adoption, you love that child come what may. I really hope I'm wrong but she did seem to insinuate that he was the lesser of the siblings. Cringe. This is totally off topic but bare with me as this is a something I don't really talk about in real life , for obvious reasons, but I actually hired a searcher and found my daughter's birth mother in central Asia . So many questions answered and so wonderful for my daughter to learn she was not thrown away. She is now like a second daughter to me. What an amazing journey for all three of us. I hope Lisa is doing all she can off camera to resolve any issues he may have concerning his adoption.

[Sage47]

I actually really like the kid scenes. I like to glimpse ahead to when mine go off to college, even though I'll be a blubbering mess like Kyle. I really relate to her; my kids are my everything and it will be very painful to let them go off to their own lives even though I'll be happy for them too.

 

Farrah is very pretty but...something looks a little strange in her face, like she's already doing Botox or something. She looks like Kyle's sister. Kyle looks great/very youthful for her age. But Farrah looks  old for her age (IMO).

 

I love, love Kyle and Mauricio's relationship. He was so tender and supportive to her and emotional in his own right. I too understand why she freaks about infidelity rumors. She never wants to lose that great husband and I hope they always stay together. I also loved watching Harry and Lisa. They are very easy together and he was so sweet, brushing something off her face for her. He touches her a lot, I like it.

 

Brandi just seems like a big zero, laying around on her bed cackling with her odd assortment of friends at her ex-husband's lame show. Kim looked out of place and desperate really. Like who would want to go lay on Brandi's bed and watch a show about Leann and Eddie?? And why weren't they at least in her family room? Bizarre.

 

Bella's card seemed a little TOO perfectly written. I bet Yolanda helped out. Yo is really into perfection. It's lucky she didn't have average looking daughters or she wouldn't love them. I'm only half kidding.

 

Eileen wasn't overly emotional when the stepson left because....Eileen isn't emotional. I like her but you can clearly see that she is a very serious and level headed person. She doesn't get emotional. I think Vinnie is the more emoting one than her.

 

I feel bad for Max as Pandora is placed miles above him. That said, he needs to get his shit together. He's a drifting, entitled kid. Please don't be a lazy Jax, Max. Jax, the biggest tool ever.

[gator12]

I thought the same thing about Brandi entertaining in her bedroom.

I understand Kyle & Yolanda to a point and yes I've sent a child to college. I guess they didn't have anything else to show, so we had to watch the minute by minute details of Alexia leaving. And what other family is met by a university rep when visiting the school? Ambassador yes, rep no. I'm not sure I believed Kyle when she said Alexia was on the wait list for a dorm so they had to get her an apartment. I don't know about all colleges, but I thought most made room for the freshmen and the upper class are the ones who are denied a room or on a lottery system to get one. And I would think being the daughter of a "celebrity" & coming from a family with $$$, would have put Alexia on the list for getting a dorm.

I agree- next weeks episode looks exciting. I like Kim sitting at the poker table with what looks like a cigar in her hand.

At my school, before I went they would let parents and the students know that they don't have enough dorm rooms to house everyone so if you want a dorm room it will be first come first serve to the people who sign up for housing. I was never wait-listed for housing but for some of the people who were, they will be but into a double room with two other people turning it into a temporary triple, in some cases it was a triple room that were turn into a temporary quads until rooms became open by other students eventually getting their own apartments or dropping out of school.

 

I don't think Kyle will get much flack or blame for Kim falling off the wagon this time. I think the tide changed on that after the Paris trip. JMO

 

 

Yolanda said that she did not know Eileen prior to her joining the BH cast. Eileen said that they never met before as well but that she remembered meeting Gigi at her, Eileen's, house when she was a guest of her stepson. Yolanda seemed surprised to hear that, I got the impression that Yolanda was not familiar with Gigi's friends outside her modeling career. 

Doesn't her, Alexia, tuition include food/cafeteria? I understand that she is living off campus, which is odd in itself for a freshman at most colleges, but why didn't they buy/pay for the school meal package? 

Food is separate from Tuition and a waste of money that schools con freshman and their parents into

[copacabana]

I don't think Yolanda has the English skills or know how to have written that note.  She may have encouraged Bella to write it but I don't think Yo did.  Bella keeps her mouth shut for the most part but no reason to think she didn't pen the thing and probably meant it.  Don't mean she's not going to get royally stoned again!  She doesn't need to be driving drunk ever again but let the child have her wild days and throw up in her shoes a few times, Yolanda!  The girl is dead in the eyes in real life -- she photographs well.  I would be very surprised to see either of those two graduate anything. 

 

Yolanda and her big reveal that she positions the furniture herself and doesn't expect the moving men to arrange the room.  Hello, Captain Obvious!  Next time, try hauling all your generic trendy crap upstairs yourself.  She's so annoying. 

 

I didn't go to a big university but I did go to a small liberal arts college in the mid-70s.  The food wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either and I wouldn't have given up the cafeteria experience for anything!  Total fun factor for the students.  In those days everyone smoked too so you'd see dumb kids who would pile up the food and use it as a big ash tray.  Disgusting but still ... Not participating in the cafeteria as a happening was missing out on most of the daily fun and hook up potential.  And the ladies in hairnets who served the food brought us all the smiles and love and humor we were so missing.  A long time ago and university life is different, I know. 

 

If youth knew, if age could.  

[RedheadZombie]

 Maybe Max needs to add Vanderpump to his name.  Could Lisa who has been so careful to cultivate her public persona really be that clueless in regards to her insensitive statements regarding Max's adoption? 

 

Nope, absolutely not.  I would argue that Lisa is one of if not the savviest in all franchises.  She is calculated and extremely aware of what image she wants to project.  Her comments are no accident, nor are they being misinterpreted.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is Lisa's version of tough love - embarrass him enough and he'll straighten up.  I certainly don't think Lisa is just being open and honest - she has never even breathed a hint that precious Pandy is anything other than perfect.  Since no one is perfect, Lisa has chosen to present Pandora this way.  That's not "keeping it real".  There's always the possibility that Lisa is simply partial to girls, but she tongue bathes her son-in-law constantly.  So who knows.

 

Brad and Angelina, as the world knows, have biological and adopted children. Like Lisa, they're celebrities who are asked this question by interviewers, and they never make a distinction between their children. Lisa is smart. Even if she only volunteered the info. because an offscreen producer fed her questions, she answered it the way she did because it's how she feels. Which is the point, and it's sad. For Max, and for any person watching who's adopted, imo.

 

I agree with this, and I'll add Marie Osmond to this list.  The majority of her children are adopted, yet she refuses to differentiate them in any way.  She says she "forgot" who's adopted.  This is a woman who is Mormon - a religion that is generally a bit obsessed with genealogy - yet she doesn't get caught up in it.  And unlike Lisa, she has not used it as an excuse for a child who's struggling.  Marie has a child who is openly gay, and a child who struggled with addiction and committed suicide.  Never has she acknowledged their biology as contributing.

[FozzyBear]

I forgot to add my favorite part of this episode. Yo's TH reminding us yet again what a no nonsense, hard working, humble gal about town she is and how she like to just do things herself, cut with her ordering around a crew of hired help as they placed the brand new furniture into her daughters new million dollar starter apartment. I honestly don't know what I would do if Yo ever gained an ounce of self-awareness. She is comedy gold.

[WireWrap]

Wait. Kyle has told her children to fail at life? Is this moment included in a highlights video on the Bravo site, perhaps?

 

 

From that link: 

 

 

 

 

1. I didn't realize that Max's girlfriend was part of the whole SUR family.

2. That last sentence doesn't make any sense. The girlfriend spent the weekend with them in Palm Springs and their rocky relationship? What? That's a poorly constructed sentence, and I'm having trouble teasing out what it means. Is that Lisa just trying to slide in some (yet another) dig?

During the PS star trip, Lisa said that there were Problems in Max's relationship with his older gf and that she was concerned. I did not get the impression that her age was the bigger issue but that there was trouble in that relationship, fighting/arguing is a strong possibility.

 

I agree that Kyle just wanted to let Alexia know that she has choices and that they aren't going to guilt trip her if she decides that it isn't what's best for her. Over and over again I feel like I'm reminded about what a good and loving mother Kyle is. 

 

As for Lisa and her treatment of Max--I think that she mentions that he's adopted a lot. At this point regular viewers of the show are well aware but it's like she wants to remind people and continually puts it out there to get people to think that maybe the reasons for Max's issues have to do with the fact that he isn't theirs biologically. As often as Lisa mentions Max being adopted I feel like it means a lot to her at the end of the day. It also couldn't be more clear to me that she loves Pandora more. I've also noticed on more than one occasion her praising Pandora (or Jason) while criticizing Max moments later. It could be boiled down to editing, I suppose, but I think Lisa knows the game well enough by now that if she thinks certain comments are going to be misconstrued then she'll do her best to refrain from making them in the first place. 

 

At the same time I don't think that Ken and Lisa are bad parents to Max, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I see something in their whole dynamic with him that makes me feel some sympathy for Max. Still, the guy needs to get his shit together, he's had a very privileged life, he's lucky to have Ken and Lisa's support in many ways, and there are a lot of people who would be happy to have the opportunities that he's been given. 

 

Regarding those old comments from Angelina Jolie--wasn't the comment closer to something about how she feels for the adopted ones a bit more because they've been through serious stuff and she basically felt that Shiloh had it good from the get go? I haven't read the article since way back when and even then I'd only read highlights, but I remember people jumping on the comments and thinking at the time that what she was saying was being slightly misunderstood. I certainly didn't get the impression that she was saying that she liked one child less than she liked the others.

Lisa has not spoken of Max all that often on the show because Max asked her not to and she honored his request. She does speak about Pandora frequently because Pandora is on the show time to time and does not mind Lisa talking about her. I have never gotten the impression that Lisa/Ken love Max any less than they do Pandora, we just see Pandora much more because she wants to be on the show time to time for Lisa....Max did not until this season.

Also, Lisa does not talk about Max's adoption very much, she has spoken about it 2 -3 times in how many seasons now, 5-6, since the show started. Max requested they not talk about him and he refused to appear on the show and this is Lisa's fault how? SMH

Edited January 15, 2015 by WireWrap

[RedheadZombie]

You know, I would have sold my soul for parents who made sure I was clean and nicely dressed

for school. I would have loved help with my homework, but I didn't have to do it because I never had to show my parents a report card. I was 16 and doing sex, drugs and everything else including staying out all night with my 19 year old boyfriend.. with no accountability at all.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The love, concern and involvement of these parents, however overstated it may be, makes me weep for all of us who can't even comprehend that kind of devotion. These are very lucky young people.

And Portia is so cute I want to eat her up. I noticed that about my nephew too. So cute I want to take bites of him. But I don't. I don't have any children. Is it weird that I want to devour them?

 

It's not weird at all - I think it's wonderful that you're able to love him deeply when you had no parental example.  I've had friends who want to eat their kids up - typically their chubby arms and legs, and nibbled them as part of playing.  There's even the line from Where the Wild Things Are, where they tell Max they love him so much they want to eat him up.

 

The one thing about Jen G being at Brandi's?  They were all drinking water.  So there is a benefit to having her around. ;)

And they have a weird deflated thing along the sides of the upper lip like they lost elasticity.  They are gross there.  Like they sag.  They do remind me of each other's lips.  

 

I hate lips bulging with silicone, but lips that have been permanently altered can be that more horrific.  Typically, they make the mistake of making the top lip bigger than that bottom, which is not very common naturally.  That part of the upper lip you're talking about - I like to think of it as a massive hemorrhoid.  That's what it looks like to me anyway.

 

I agree about the decor. I let my mom do it because it was her thing and I figured it made her feel like she was involved in the process so I let her have her moment.

 

As far as the whole family dynamic changing, I can't critisize that, it is true the dynamic changes and some people take change better than others. It not only affect Kyle and Mauricio, it also affects her two sisters, specially the one who is closest in age with her. I have 3 siblings and I can tell you that my younger sister cried probably more than my mother ever did just because we were use to do almost everything together. We were just two years apart. The other two were much younger so I guess it affected them but not as much.

 

I enjoyed my college life, it was a great time, but I couldn't wait for Thanksgiving, Christmas and every semester break to go back home, there is just something about knowing that there is a place where you are unconditionally loved than feeds your soul and your spirit, not everybody has that and I feel extremely fortunate that even now, that is my safe place, that is the place where I can regroup and I can totally let all walls down because my parents and siblings will always be on my side no matter what. This is exactly what I see in Kyle's house. The love and the closeness of these girls and their parents is palpable, you can almost touch it, so I am sure everytime the dynamic changes it is a big deal for them.

 

That brings me to LVP, her family dynamic is SOOOO different, I can feel their love and passion for everything and anything that Pandora does, I have no doubt that they love Max but it definitely is not the same, the constant reminders that he is not their biological son and the constant reminders of his failures as opposed as Pandora's sucess is nothing but a festering group for resentment and bad attutide. I wonder if Lisa has ever wondered if the reason why Max is so "laid back" and lacks the Vanderpump-Todd ambition is because after 23 years of these dynamic going on Max already knows that no matter what he will never win, he will always be second place and now he has positioned and feels comfortable there. Now they are adding Pandora's husband to the mix and poor Max will be relagated to the third spot or maybe fourth after Gigi the dog. 

 

I hate to agree with Kim but I think she was onto something when she said that Lisa's priorities were Pandora, Gigi and Ken in that order.  Max didn't even make it to the rank.

 

Their partiality is very apparent.  I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to the fact that Max was adopted, if it didn't come from Lisa's own lips.  I think Max is very self-deprecating and he's become this way as a self-defense.  We don't hear Pandy commenting on her unattractive face or big butt, but Max seems to be constantly laughing about how lazy and useless he is.  It makes me uncomfortable.  I've seen extreme partiality in my own family, and it's often caused by something as trivial as preferring a boy over a girl, or the most attractive child over the homely one.  I've even seen families in which the fathers clearly prefer the boy and mothers prefer the girl.  Poor Max - even his father prefers Pandora.  That's got to sting.

[RedHawk]

Brandi just seems like a big zero, laying around on her bed cackling with her odd assortment of friends at her ex-husband's lame show. Kim looked out of place and desperate really.

 

Kim did look lost in that crowd. She needs a new set of (sober) friends, preferably ones who get her humor and quirky personality and will be genuinely supportive while also calling her on her shit. Sometimes that can make such a difference in a person's life.

[erikdepressant]

Food is separate from Tuition and a waste of money that schools con freshman and their parents into

Back when I was in college, the school used profits from the required food plan to offset other expenses, which is something I consider unethical.

 

I truly hope that's changed since then ("then" = we huddled in the campus cave and enjoyed the berries and mammoth meat brought by the hunter-gatherers.  The rich kids got their food cooked over fire).

[RedHawk]

Brandi just seems like a big zero, laying around on her bed cackling with her odd assortment of friends at her ex-husband's lame show. Kim looked out of place and desperate really.

 

Kim did look lost in that crowd. She needs a new set of (sober) friends, preferably ones who get her humor and quirky personality and will be genuinely supportive while also calling her on her shit. Sometimes that can make such a difference in a person's life.

[copacabana]

 

 

Kim did look lost in that crowd. She needs a new set of (sober) friends, preferably ones who get her humor and quirky personality and will be genuinely supportive while also calling her on her shit. Sometimes that can make such a difference in a person's life.

 

Agreed but there is no one legitimately involved in any kind of 12-step program that would ever agree to be on this show in front of the camera.  And that should include Kim. Now, if she could find other friends who don't drink and don't put her in situations where she does or might want to that would be great but good luck with that, right?

 

I often wonder if one of the several reasons Kyle is so hyper vigilant about Kim and the drinking potential is because she's made Kim part and parcel of her contract.  Double edged sword.  Kim is obviously about to go totally off the wagon next chapter and if she starts squawking about having mental health issues instead of just being flat out relapsed it's going to piss a lot of people off.  As it should. 

[Avaleigh]

Lisa has not spoken of Max all that often on the show because Max asked her not to and she honored his request. She does speak about Pandora frequently because Pandora is on the show time to time and does not mind Lisa talking about her. I have never gotten the impression that Lisa/Ken love Max any less than they do Pandora, we just see Pandora much more because she wants to be on the show time to time for Lisa....Max did not until this season.

Also, Lisa does not talk about Max's adoption very much, she has spoken about it 2 -3 times in how many seasons now, 5-6, since the show started. Max requested they not talk about him and he refused to appear on the show and this is Lisa's fault how? SMH

 

 

I wasn't referring to how many times Max has appeared on the show or how many times Lisa has mentioned Max's name. It's how she speaks of him in the times he is mentioned that I was commenting on. He is typically criticized in some way while Pandora is praised. 

 

Even when Lisa is speaking fondly of Max it's sometimes in a backhanded way like when she said that she used to be annoyed with him leaving his backpack around or whatever it was but then sort of missing seeing the backpack now that he isn't living there anymore. With Pandora we tend to hear compliments and praise. To me it doesn't have anything to do with Max wanting minimal to no participation on the show. It's the vibe that Lisa gives when she does talk about her two kids that makes me think she has a clear preference.

 

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Lisa doesn't love or care about Max. I just think there's an obvious difference in the way she speaks about her two children that betrays which kid is her favorite. I don't even think the race is close. 

[LotusFlower]

I read Lisa's blog today expecting her to clarify her statement. She is getting a little heat for it on other sites, Vulture in particular. That in itself is shocking, because Vulture in particular is pro-Lisa unlike any other that exists.  They hate Kyle with a passion, but for the most part love Lisa. Still, while she is being called out by some, the overall feeling over there is that she is a far better mother than Kyle, who it seems is in fact the most horrific mother to have ever graced the earth.  Go figure. 

 

What surprised me is that she didn't address her comments at all in her blog. I would have thought that if she felt like she was misunderstood in some manner that she would have taken that as an opportunity to clear things up.  She did not. She instead just clarified why the situation with Max is frustrating and what her expectations are.  

 

 

I'm not surprised.  What's to clarify?  It's how she feels, and going by the way she has always talked about Max through the years, she clearly doesn't think it's wrong to think this way.  Maybe she even expects to be praised for not enabling a lazy child, and for being "honest" about why he's different from Pandora.  It's a bad move for Lisa (the chess player!), but I don't think she sees it.  As RedHeadZombie said:

 

I would argue that Lisa is one of if not the savviest in all franchises.  She is calculated and extremely aware of what image she wants to project.  Her comments are no accident, nor are they being misinterpreted.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is Lisa's version of tough love - embarrass him enough and he'll straighten up.

 

Edited January 16, 2015 by LotusFlower

[jaync]

Well, that is exactly what Lisa said, this is not the first time she has hinted to that and IMO she does believe that so they are that despicable

Nah, that's not exactly what she said. If at all.

 

Want to learn the restaurant business from the bottom up instead of going to school?  Great -- Here are some restaurants you might want to try working in, Max.

Why, though? Pandora learned the biz by working at Villa Blanca, so Max should be able to follow suit if he wishes.

 

I hope we get some more Kim/Monty scenes. (Kim may wish for the same after next week.)

 

[Umbelina]

It looks like Brandi is trying to protect Kim from Kyle somehow.  Then Kyle grabs and Brandi and Brandi shoves her off, but there are stairs, so it looks worse? 

 

Was Kyle trying to have another drunk Kim poor me story, and Kim spotted it, as did Brandi, so was walking away?

[LotusFlower]

I agree with this, and I'll add Marie Osmond to this list.  The majority of her children are adopted, yet she refuses to differentiate them in any way.  She says she "forgot" who's adopted.  This is a woman who is Mormon - a religion that is generally a bit obsessed with genealogy - yet she doesn't get caught up in it.  And unlike Lisa, she has not used it as an excuse for a child who's struggling.  Marie has a child who is openly gay, and a child who struggled with addiction and committed suicide.  Never has she acknowledged their biology as contributing.

 

I had no idea.  I've never really been a fan of hers, but this makes me like her, so thanks!  Good on her.

 

[WireWrap]

I wasn't referring to how many times Max has appeared on the show or how many times Lisa has mentioned Max's name. It's how she speaks of him in the times he is mentioned that I was commenting on. He is typically criticized in some way while Pandora is praised. 

 

Even when Lisa is speaking fondly of Max it's sometimes in a backhanded way like when she said that she used to be annoyed with him leaving his backpack around or whatever it was but then sort of missing seeing the backpack now that he isn't living there anymore. With Pandora we tend to hear compliments and praise. To me it doesn't have anything to do with Max wanting minimal to no participation on the show. It's the vibe that Lisa gives when she does talk about her two kids that makes me think she has a clear preference.

 

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Lisa doesn't love or care about Max. I just think there's an obvious difference in the way she speaks about her two children that betrays which kid is her favorite. I don't even think the race is close. 

You actually said that Lisa talks about adopting him "a lot" when in fact she does not talk about Max much at all or that he was adopted. Lisa has not spoken of Max much at all and when she has she has both praised him and chastised him because he has needed both. It is quite possible that Pandora is a typical 1st born daughter, type A personality that strives to please mom/dad and Max acts like a typical baby that has been spoiled to no end and expects to be taken care of no matter what he does/doesn't do. Her comment about Max being adopted was her repeating the question the producer asked her and she answered it perfectly. Her answer was "that all children differ and that a mother is only as happy as her saddest child".  Please do not confuse the question she was asked with the answer she gave, they are 2 very different things IMO.

Edited January 16, 2015 by WireWrap

[jinjer]

We don't know if Lisa was asked that question, she could have been posing a rhetorical question sua sponte. We are assuming she was asked it.  

 

But for whatever reason, I think Bravo is showing Lisa's spots this season.  I think she may be a little surprised at the edit she is getting.

Edited January 16, 2015 by jinjer

[Avaleigh]

You actually said that Lisa talks about adopting him "a lot" when in fact she does not talk about Max much at all or that he was adopted.

 

 

I meant a lot within the context of Max's limited participation on the show. It seems like the fact that he is adopted comes up a lot even though the audience has known this since the first season. It seems like she wants to remind people 

 

I also think it's telling that she seems to compare Max unfavorably to Pandora. It seems like she reminds people of the fact that Max is adopted so that she can remind audience that she and Ken are awesome people for doing that (they absolutely are IMO) and to subtly suggest/hint that Max not being theirs biologically is the explanation for his current issues. 

 

Regarding the issue of favoritism and children, I'd say that Yolanda and Lisa are the most obvious when it comes to making comments that show they have a preference for a particular child. 

 

With Kyle and Kim there are moments where I've had my suspicions about who they probably subconsciously prefer but I don't think either woman has shown favoritism in any obvious way as I feel that we've sometimes seen from Lisa and Yolanda. 

 

I definitely feel like Kyle seems like she's gone out of her way to make sure each of her daughters is featured on the show at some point having a special moment where the attention is on them and I like this because each time it's shown the family love and what a cohesive unit they seem to be. (This isn't a knock at Lisa btw, I understand that Max isn't interested in filming. Nor is it a knock on Yolanda.) I also don't sense any issues of jealousy between the girls and in a family with four daughters I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.

 

With Yolanda and Bella I feel like I sense a touch of resentment or perhaps defensiveness on Bella's part. Not towards her sister or even her parents but maybe in terms of her expectations of herself and how she defines herself. With Kim's kids I've sensed a bit of a competitive factor with Brooke and Whitney but ultimately Kim's daughters strike me as being similar to Kyle's in that they all basically seem to get along and there is no clear favorite. Kim seems like she spent more time with Kimberley on the show but I think that's mainly because she's the youngest. It's like Kyle filming more with Portia because it's natural for Portia to be around right now more than for the others. 

Edited January 16, 2015 by Avaleigh

[GreatKazu]

To the person who posted about Jennifer G. (Brandi's BFF) entering into the entertainment field. She was a model and an actress before she ruined her face with those over-inflated lips and before she became an addict. She appeared in the movies "Blow" and "Vanilla Sky". She has several acting jobs under her belt. She was discovered in Santa Monica by a photographer who got her into modeling when she was fourteen years old. She was the youngest model to ever appear on Elle (the U.S. version).  She worked for Calvin Klein, Guess and numerous other companies. She also appeared in music videos for Prince, Mick Jagger and many other artists.

 

As for Kyle's comment to her daughter and making her feel guilty, I heard nothing that implied that whatsoever. It seemed pretty damn obvious Kyle was telling Alexia that if college was not working out for her, she should not feel the need to stay and complete her studies in order to appease her parents. Too many parents put too much on their kids in order to appease them (the parents). Kids in those circumstances find themselves struggling because they do not want to disappoint their parents.  Kyle and Mauricio have the money and the means to send their children to wherever they want to go to study. It appears they don't care if their daughter changes her mind about the college, her major or anything relating to her education. They want their daughter to be happy and not feel worried about disappointing them. That was the message I heard clearly.  

 

I am certain, and have no doubts whatsoever, that Kyle and Mauricio already had that talk with their daughter about her returning home if the need arose. For Kyle to mention it on camera, just seemed to be the condensed version of what was already said to that child. They want her to know they won't see her as a failure and it is okay for her to return home without any shame.

Edited January 16, 2015 by GreatKazu

[jaync]

Max's girlfriend is pretty hot (thanks for linking the pic).  I don't recall ever seeing her on VR working at SUR, but I expect to next season. (Hope ol' girl has never been "Jaxed".)

[LotusFlower]

Regarding the issue of favoritism and children, I'd say that Yolanda and Lisa are the most obvious when it comes to making comments that show they have a preference for a particular child.

 

 

Yolanda and Lisa both have pretty strong egos, and are pretty self-centered, so both felt the need to confront the issue of having less than perfect children.  Yo decided to address Bella's DUI by admitting to it, calling it a mistake, downplaying it a bit (one glass of wine), discussing her disappointment (maybe too much), and even having Bella address it in their scene in NY.  Lisa addresses Max's laziness by calling out his non-Vanderpump bloodline.  Same thing.  They both have images to uphold and egos and a controlling personality, so this is how they address the imperfections in their life - by controlling the narrative.  No one can call Max lazy if Lisa already did.  No one can criticize Yolanda for Bella's DUI if she already owned up to it and addressed it ad naseum.

[LotusFlower]

As for Kyle's comment to her daughter and making her feel "guilty", I heard it nothing that implied that whatsoever. It seemed pretty damn obvious what I heard Kyle tell her daughter was, if Alexia felt anything about college was not working out for her, she should not feel the need to stay and complete her studies in order to appease her parents.

 

 

I think college is a great experience, and a college degree gives you a lot of advantages in life.  If your parents can afford tuition, and in this case, it's not even a hardship, then as parents you should encourage your kids to take advantage of campus life and getting an education and a degree.  It would be different if she didn't want to go, but that's not what we saw.  She looked excited, and was even there early to join a sorority.  It was Kyle that was ambivalent.  I totally agree that college isn't for everyone, but how about waiting until she says "it's not for me," or "I'm miserable" before telling her she doesn't have to stay just to appease her parents.  To  me, that was so obviously Kyle (probably subconsciously) planting the seed in Alexia's head that if she was unhappy at school, she could come home, because that's what Kyle wants.

[Sage47]

I forgot to tell UB40fan (I'm one too :p), that it is common for parents/family or people in general to find babies/toddlers/children delicious and want to eat them up. :) My kids are getting pretty big now and I still am intoxicated by them and find them delish. It's sweet that you feel that way about your nephew!

[WireWrap]

I meant a lot within the context of Max's limited participation on the show. It seems like the fact that he is adopted comes up a lot even though the audience has known this since the first season. It seems like she wants to remind people 

 

I also think it's telling that she seems to compare Max unfavorably to Pandora. It seems like she reminds people of the fact that Max is adopted so that she can remind audience that she and Ken are awesome people for doing that (they absolutely are IMO) and to subtly suggest/hint that Max not being theirs biologically is the explanation for his current issues. 

 

Regarding the issue of favoritism and children, I'd say that Yolanda and Lisa are the most obvious when it comes to making comments that show they have a preference for a particular child. 

 

With Kyle and Kim there are moments where I've have my suspicions about who they probably subconsciously prefer but I don't think either woman has shown favoritism in any obvious way as I feel that we've sometimes seen from Lisa and Yolanda. 

 

I definitely feel like Kyle seems like she's gone out of her way to make sure each of her daughters is featured on the show at some point having a special moment where the attention is on them and I like this because each time it's shown the family love and what a cohesive unit they seem to be. (This isn't a knock at Lisa btw, I understand that Max isn't interested in filming. Nor is it a knock on Yolanda.) I also don't sense any issues of jealousy between the girls and in a family with four daughters I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.

 

With Yolanda and Bella I feel like I sense a touch of resentment or perhaps defensiveness on Bella's part. Not towards her sister or even her parents but maybe in terms of her expectations of herself and how she defines herself. With Kim's kids I've sensed a bit of a competitive factor with Brooke and Whitney but ultimately Kim's daughters strike me as being similar to Kyle's in that they all basically seem to get along and there is no clear favorite. Kim seems like she spent more time with Kimberley on the show but I think that's mainly because she's the youngest. It's like Kyle filming more with Portia because it's natural for Portia to be around right now more than for the others. 

Ok, so how many times has Lisa brought up the subject that Max is adopted, once, twice, now maybe three times in 5 or so years and she has never given the impression that she regrets adopting him or that she loves him less than Pandora.

 

Kim favors Kimberly far more than her other children, she has called her a BFF several times but has never said that about her other children, she has gone so far as to get matching tattoos with Kimberly but none with her other 3 children. Heck, she even implied that her sobriety rested on Kimberly's shoulders when they took her to college last season.

 

Yolanda favors Gigi far over Bella and Anwar that posters here comment on it all the time, and I do mean ALL the time! LOL

 

I think Kyle hold all her daughters pretty high but the next to the youngest seems to disappoint her more than the others but I would never say that she loved her less than the rest and Kyle seems to cling to her youngest a bit more (as do many women) than the others as well. But overall, Kyle is the most even with her daughters.

Edited January 16, 2015 by WireWrap

[LotusFlower]

Ok, so how many times has Lisa brought up the subject that Max is adopted, once, twice, now maybe three times in 5 or so years and she has never given the impression that she regrets adopting him or that she loves him less than Pandora.

 

Max hasn't been featured on the show a lot, but everytime he is, his adoption is mentioned.  And it's hard to define how much someone loves someone else, but I think a parent overtly favoring one child over another is one way of showing love.

[ryebread]

I forgot to tell UB40fan (I'm one too :p), that it is common for parents/family or people in general to find babies/toddlers/children delicious and want to eat them up. :) My kids are getting pretty big now and I still am intoxicated by them and find them delish. It's sweet that you feel that way about your nephew!

I tell my 16 year old, 6'4" son with the size 12 feet that when he was an infant, I'd nibble his toes and could practically fit his whole foot in my mouth. Obviously, I'm not so much interested in that anymore. Now, whenever I see a baby with those big fat delicious legs and feet, I call them, "Juicy" (not to be confused with Joe Giudice) and I want to take a bite.  Totally normal UB40fan. :-)

 

I've only got one kid, so parents here with more than one, since we're anonymous here:  Do you favor one child over another? 

 

In my head I think everyone does at some time or another.  And the only reason we don't see Kyle do it is because she's perfected the art of pretending they're all perfect? 

[GreatKazu]

Lotus Flower - Who is to say Kyle didn't encourage her daughter when they had their college talk at home? I did point out in the rest of my post that Kyle and Mauricio most likely had a bigger discussion at home about college and the "what ifs".  What we saw on the episode was just a condensed version of that conversation.

 

In an interview that Kyle gave during season 2 - on one of the local Los Angeles morning shows  - Kyle mentioned how she and Mauricio encourage a college education for all their children. Kyle mentioned how she looked forward to watching all their children graduate from college. She couldn't emphasize it enough. With that said, I fully believe Mauricio and Kyle sat with Alexia and discussed every aspect about college and what great experiences it would be for her. It makes no sense at all that someone who is all about wanting a college education for their children, to be a negative Nelly and put "seeds" or any sort of bad ideas into their kid's head just to get them to change their mind. Kyle is a lot of things, but deliberately or subconsciously wanting to make her child feel bad to the point she changes her mind and wants to return home? I don't think so.

 

Ryebread - No. I don't favor any child over another in my home. I love them all to pieces and I too have put my children's feet in my mouth when they were infants. Would I do that today? Hell naw! I wanted to eat them too, especially the thigh parts. So plump. lol

Edited January 16, 2015 by GreatKazu

[sistermagpie]

Ok, so how many times has Lisa brought up the subject that Max is adopted, once, twice, now maybe three times in 5 or so years and she has never given the impression that she regrets adopting him or that she loves him less than Pandora.

 

 

I don't necessarily blame Lisa for how often this is featured, but three times in five years is a lot. Every time he's on, practically, the story is that he's doing/has done something flaky and that he's adopted.

[Avaleigh]

In addition to the mentions of the adoption during Max's appearances we also had Lisa talk about it when the ladies went to PUMP and donated their dresses. When Lisa brought it up that time it sort of seemed like it was about reminding the audience how awesome she and Ken are for having adopted a child (and they are indeed absolutely wonderful people for doing that) than mentioning it for the sake of mentioning it but that's just my opinion.

 

I agree too that three times in five years is a lot but I'm pretty sure that it's been mentioned more than that. I can think of at least four occasions if I count the above reference and that's not counting the mentions in blogs and the like.  

 

Kim favors Kimberly far more than her other children, she has called her a BFF several times but has never said that about her other children, she has gone so far as to get matching tattoos with Kimberly but none with her other 3 children. Heck, she even implied that her sobriety rested on Kimberly's shoulders when they took her to college last season.

 

 

Regarding Kim essentially telling Kimberly that her sobriety was resting on her shoulders--I got the impression that this was simply a matter of Kimberly being around more and taking the brunt of a particularly difficult period in Kim's life. I think Kim has had issues for as long as she's been a mother but I get the impression that Kimberly was around and old enough to deal with and witness some other things that the other three weren't around for and I think Kim ended up clinging to her more because Kimberly was there. I also don't think that having the burden of caring for a parent necessarily means that the kid who seems like they are shouldering the burden is necessarily the favorite. I also sense that there may be a little bit of middle child syndrome with Whitney. As far as the tattoo thing, I didn't see that as an indication that Kimberly is the favorite. I might be mistaken too but I thought getting the tattoos was Kimberly's idea as opposed to Kim's with Kim choosing to get tattoos with one child over the others. I thought Kimberly had the idea and Kim thought it would be a good bonding experience. Again, I might be totally wrong but that was the impression that I got. 

[LotusFlower]

Lotus Flower - Who is to say Kyle didn't encourage her daughter when they had their college talk at home? I did point out in the rest of my post that Kyle and Mauricio most likely had a bigger discussion at home about college and the "what ifs".  What we saw on the episode was just a condensed version of that conversation.

But you're just speculating. Maybe they had a longer conversation with her, maybe they didn't. I'm commenting on what we saw. And on that subject, we saw Kyle telling Alexia she could come home if she wanted to in the previous episode as well (a scene in their house).

 

It makes no sense at all that someone who is all about wanting a college education for their children, to be a negative Nelly and put "seeds" or any sort of bad ideas into their kid's head just to get them to change their mind. Kyle is a lot of things, but deliberately or subconsciously wanting to make her child feel bad to the point she changes her mind and wants to return home? I don't think so.

And yet she did exactly that. Or a passive-aggressive version of that. Please know that I don't think its a big deal - I think Kyle did more things right than wrong in the going-off-to-college scenes, and it's not like she did or said anything to Alexia that sabotaged her freshman year. That would be really bad, and yes, there are parents that do that. But she did send Alexia off with, imo, one wrong message - don't feel bad if you want to come home. That statement was all about Kyle's emotional state, not Alexia's, and I think it speaks to the coddling of kids in today's society - instead of striving to achieve, it's "here's a trophy because you tried." And more importantly, it's the opposite of what I think incoming freshmen need to hear, which is encouragement, confidence, and all things positive. Again, I'm only discussing the scenes we saw. If Alexia was miserable after a semester or two, that's a different story.

[gator12]

Back when I was in college, the school used profits from the required food plan to offset other expenses, which is something I consider unethical.

 

I truly hope that's changed since then ("then" = we huddled in the campus cave and enjoyed the berries and mammoth meat brought by the hunter-gatherers.  The rich kids got their food cooked over fire).

The only people who got good food and fresh looking fruits catered to them were the athletes who had their own close off area at the cafeteria hall. I assume their food taste better also, they most have gotten the none stale, bland well cooked food at least.

I ended up getting out of my meal plan after my semester and they try to discourage me from dropping and had to settle converting cost of the second semester meal plan into flex bucks. I guess one way to explain flex bucks is to say it was like a pre-paid credit card that one could used at any campus restaurants and grocery stores.  

I learned how to cooked my second semester of college. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

Was Kyle trying to have another drunk Kim poor me story, and Kim spotted it, as did Brandi, so was walking away?

 

That is what Brandi and Kim have intimated in the press - though Kim does seem pretty zonked in the trailer - I am really curious about this.

 

In her Huff Post interview, Brandi seemed 100 percent sure viewers would side with her in the Brandi/Kyle fight - but she has proven to be rather delusional these days, so who the hell knows?

Edited January 16, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2

[The Mighty Peanut]

Nope, absolutely not. I would argue that Lisa is one of if not the savviest in all franchises. She is calculated and extremely aware of what image she wants to project. Her comments are no accident, nor are they being misinterpreted. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is Lisa's version of tough love - embarrass him enough and he'll straighten up. I certainly don't think Lisa is just being open and honest - she has never even breathed a hint that precious Pandy is anything other than perfect. Since no one is perfect, Lisa has chosen to present Pandora this way. That's not "keeping it real". There's always the possibility that Lisa is simply partial to girls, but she tongue bathes her son-in-law constantly. So who knows.

Agree 100%. I think Pandora's burden is probably more superficial. Just to clarify, I personally don't see anything wrong with her appearance and think she is pretty. However, she does not look like Gigi or Bella. She may be what Lisa Rinna's daughters would consider a "chub chub" i.e. not a size 000. I was thinking about it during her scenes on Vanderpump Rules when Lisa had Pandy "managing" the restaurant when judging by the rest of the staff she wouldn't have been hired as a server. That has got to drive LVP insane.

As they say on RHOA, "at the end of the day" I like Lisa. But I wouldn't want to be her kid.

Edited January 16, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[escape]

Ok, so how many times has Lisa brought up the subject that Max is adopted, once, twice, now maybe three times in 5 or so years and she has never given the impression that she regrets adopting him or that she loves him less than Pandora.

 

Kim favors Kimberly far more than her other children, she has called her a BFF several times but has never said that about her other children, she has gone so far as to get matching tattoos with Kimberly but none with her other 3 children. Heck, she even implied that her sobriety rested on Kimberly's shoulders when they took her to college last season.

 

Yolanda favors Gigi far over Bella and Anwar that posters here comment on it all the time, and I do mean ALL the time! LOL

 

I think Kyle hold all her daughters pretty high but the next to the youngest seems to disappoint her more than the others but I would never say that she loved her less than the rest and Kyle seems to cling to her youngest a bit more (as do many women) than the others as well. But overall, Kyle is the most even with her daughters.

Not all the parent-child relationships with Yolanda and Kim have been shown on camera.  Parents can have different relationships with each child.  It doesn't mean they love them any less or more.  Yolanda's obviously has more in common with Gigi, with her model background.  But I doubt as a mother she loves Bella any less.  And she obviously has a different relationship with Anwar, her only son.  But he's rarely been shown.  Same with Kim's 3 older children. 

[copacabana]

Nah, that's not exactly what she said. If at all.

 

Why, though? Pandora learned the biz by working at Villa Blanca, so Max should be able to follow suit if he wishes.

 

I hope we get some more Kim/Monty scenes. (Kim may wish for the same after next week.)

 

This sort of apprenticeship -- that's what they're trying to make it appear to be -- is best undertaken by others, not parents, when the relationship is troubled.  To my mind, the relationship is definitely strained and there's an unpleasant edge to their scenes.  Better for Max, and for them, to have him schooled by another professional--not to mention away from the cameras.  If he can keep it together, and if this is what he really wants to do with himself, then fine to have him join up with the rest of the restaurant tribe once he can hold his own.

 

I can't believe that I've given this crap this much thought actually.  I'm sure that Lisa is going to be mightily pissed off when she catches this edit.  Her attitude towards the kid is really, really creepy, I think.  Obviously, I can only speak for myself, but if they are not in therapy, they ought to be.  It's really odd to me that a mother would put her young son's business out there like this, with this kind of back story driving the narrative.  She takes the English Rose schtick way too far when in 2015 she's talking about her adopted son with an eye towards relieving herself of some kind of weird embarrassment in tones that smack of 19th Century literature.  The genes, the blood, the lack of ambition and drive, the WTF really!  With Prince Jason in the shadows, waiting to usurp Max's place because poor Max, not of our proud lineage, can't handle life at 22.  Again, I'd be wanting to find other mentors at this stage if I had any kind of wits about me. And I'd be pretty upset with dear Mummy too. She been talking about him this way since the very beginning of this show!

 

I don't doubt that the kid has issues, is lost and probably trying to manipulate them in some way.  That's what screwed up children do -- For me, just another reason for him to be encouraged to learn the craft elsewhere.  What else is his mother going to divulge about him before this season is over?  Like another, wiser poster wrote several pages ago, this is a huge miscue on Lisa's part. Maybe now that Nene has finished her run as The Evil Step-Mother, Lisa can rush in and take her place.

 

Brandi, Kyle, and Yolanda must be LOVING this.  To think that the Queen Bee got brought down by her own hand.  And, mind you, I find Lisa pretty fascinating and think the show would collapse without her and her BS. Still, it's disturbing to witness this kind of thing.  It feels like an exploitation of a relationship that ought to mean something to her. 

[glowbug]

http://cartermatt.com/148062/real-housewives-beverly-hills-preview-kim-kyle-richards-face-trouble-santa-barbara/

First look is Saturday at 6:15 pm. 

 

Thanks for the heads up.  I always miss the first looks because my DVR only rarely records them automatically and I always forget to scroll through the guide to find it.

[breezy424]

Ok, so how many times has Lisa brought up the subject that Max is adopted, once, twice, now maybe three times in 5 or so years and she has never given the impression that she regrets adopting him or that she loves him less than Pandora.

 

Kim favors Kimberly far more than her other children, she has called her a BFF several times but has never said that about her other children, she has gone so far as to get matching tattoos with Kimberly but none with her other 3 children. Heck, she even implied that her sobriety rested on Kimberly's shoulders when they took her to college last season.

 

Yolanda favors Gigi far over Bella and Anwar that posters here comment on it all the time, and I do mean ALL the time! LOL

 

I think Kyle hold all her daughters pretty high but the next to the youngest seems to disappoint her more than the others but I would never say that she loved her less than the rest and Kyle seems to cling to her youngest a bit more (as do many women) than the others as well. But overall, Kyle is the most even with her daughters.

 

How has Sophia disappointed Kyle?  She didn't want to walk in the fashion show at the last minute?  Sure, Kyle may have been disappointed but I don't see it as any 'huge' deal.  Or am I missing something else here?

 

I also don't think Kyle clings to Portia.  We've seen Portia since she's been two years old.  She's a little one.  I don't see anything unnatural or clingy about it.  Portia went to preschool and I don't remember Kyle ever cancelling a trip or scene because of Portia.  I just don't honestly get where you're coming from on this.

[breezy424]

I hate to say this but if Max was extremely good looking, did well in school, went on to college and was a real go getter (for lack of a better term),  Lisa would never bring up that he was 'adopted'.  I also hate to say it but I think Lisa and Ken are ashamed of Max.  They see him as a reflection of them rather than as a person who they raised.  Yeah, I'll go to the corner of shame for actually saying that. 

 

But before I go, to add insult to injury, once again, Lisa  had to give her props to Pandy in her blog:    "Pandora, although valedictorian, worked her way through college."  Yep,  Pandy was the perfect child.  Max, not so much.  Once again, Lisa, way to build your child's self esteem.  Pandy was 18 when she decided to go to Pepperdine and you said you moved to California so you could be closer to her.  Yet, when your son was having problems in high school (in California where you moved to be closer to Pandy) you shipped him off to Idaho to be taken care of by his godmother.  And you wonder why he's not ambitious and he has to decide what he wants for himself.  Great support system.  Back to the corner. 

[WireWrap]

Not all the parent-child relationships with Yolanda and Kim have been shown on camera.  Parents can have different relationships with each child.  It doesn't mean they love them any less or more.  Yolanda's obviously has more in common with Gigi, with her model background.  But I doubt as a mother she loves Bella any less.  And she obviously has a different relationship with Anwar, her only son.  But he's rarely been shown.  Same with Kim's 3 older children. 

Would that not apply to Lisa/Max then. He has been seen even less that Anwar on the show despite the fact that Lisa/Ken have been on longer. Kim's children have been seen more than Max as well.

[WireWrap]

How has Sophia disappointed Kyle?  She didn't want to walk in the fashion show at the last minute?  Sure, Kyle may have been disappointed but I don't see it as any 'huge' deal.  Or am I missing something else here?

 

I also don't think Kyle clings to Portia.  We've seen Portia since she's been two years old.  She's a little one.  I don't see anything unnatural or clingy about it.  Portia went to preschool and I don't remember Kyle ever cancelling a trip or scene because of Portia.  I just don't honestly get where you're coming from on this.

Watch Sophia and Kyle interact, Sophia is hesitant with Kyle IMO. Of course it could just be her age but after what Kyle said at that fashion show............Kyle sounded more like Big Kathy .

 

 

I hate to say this but if Max was extremely good looking,

Really? SMH