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S04.E08: The Last Supper

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Fitz and Jake keep feuding over Olivia, but she wants them to concentrate on defeating Command. Meanwhile, Huck yearns to reunite with his family; Cyrus realizes he can no longer run from his actions; and the grandeur of Elizabeth's scheme is unveiled.
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3girlsforus
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I actually laughed out loud when Cyrus said he compromised his integrity..... The idea that he thinks he has any integrity to compromise is beyond laughable.

TheOtherOne
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Olivia should have stabbed her father, just to shut him the fuck up. To just sit there and let him ramble on and on while she's working the watery eyes and wobbly lip again? Feh.   Stab him, then fi

Dowel Jones
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On top of everything else, Rowan left Olivia with the bill. 

TheOtherOne

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Olivia should have stabbed her father, just to shut him the fuck up. To just sit there and let him ramble on and on while she's working the watery eyes and wobbly lip again? Feh.

 

Stab him, then fix it. It's what you do, lady.

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SimoneS

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First interesting episode this season.

 

Talk about a stakeout gone wrong. Poor Javy. See Huck, this is why you should only visit with your son in appropriate settings.

 

Rowan's final speech was as pathetic as every speech he has ever had on the show. I cannot believe that Olivia sat there with tears in her eyes listening to that bullshit when she should have been telling him to fuck off. I love Joe Morgan, but I am glad that Rowan and his annoying egotistical speeches are gone.

 

Andrew playing Mellie. Ha. 

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SimoneS

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I actually laughed out loud when Cyrus said he compromised his integrity..... The idea that he thinks he has any integrity to compromise is beyond laughable.

 

I had that exact same reaction when I heard that preposterous line. How deluded is Cyrus? I cannot believe that Olivia did not pull him up after that comment.

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againstthewind

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I don't think I've ever wanted a television character dead like I want Papa Pope dead. The scenery chewing, the monologues, the icky references to his daughter's sexual prowess. I just can't with him.

Simone: the reason a Olivia didn't call Cyrus out is because, with the exception of chicken-fried Mellie these characters have a such profound lack of self-awareness I'm amazed they were able to graduate elementary school, let alone obtain high powered jobs.

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Guest Accused Dingo

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This show is what it is and if you don't expect it to be anything else, it is a highly enjoyable show.

I loved the ending with Rowan and his "I am Command" speech. You think the world is such a terrible place with me in it? Wait until you see what its like without me. That is quite chilling and the kind of speech I like from the show.

I enjoyed the dick waving and pissing contest that went on between Jake and Fitz in the bunker. I just don't understand what Olivia sees in either of them. She is a boss and these two are two year olds trying to prove who has a bigger winkie.

I can't help it Cyrus is my favorite character and I felt a little bad for him during the episode. I loved the scene when he spoke to Olivia about friendship and later when she told him not to go to Michael's house (which he paid for) and he said it was a good idea because if he did he'd probably kill Michael and that would make both their jobs harder. Say what you will about either Cyrus or Olivia but their friendship is probably one of the best things about the show.

Poor Millie even her mistress (Mister?) cheats on her.

Wait so what is Lizzie up too....is it just about sex or is power in play too. Being tied to the VP and a power play?

"I am the Shiny object." That is Olivia in a nutshell.

Over the top gay sex scene.....that's why I show up. Really that's not a joke. I approve. Angry sex its not just for straight people anymore.

Rosen you have got to stop with the moral integrity crap. It gets you nowhere.

Well there goes Huck and Javi's play time

Oh and Mellie. Maybe you should try having an affair with Olivia. Why not. Everyone else is. And you might have more luck with the ladies anyway. You have no luck at all with men.

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Tetraneutron

Tetraneutron

Olivia should have stabbed her father, just to shut him the fuck up. To just sit there and let him ramble on and on while she's working the watery eyes and wobbly lip again? Feh.

 

Stab him, then fix it. It's what you do, lady.

I have to ask - what in God's name is Eli's problem? He goes to absurd lengths, runs a covert ops, basically terrorist organization, kills children jest to win elections, is the evilest evil that ever eviled (and on this show that's really saying something), just because he doesn't approve of his daughter's boyfriends? And what's wrong with them? Sure, there was that big "You are a boy" speech last year where we learn he hates Fitz because Fitz isn't a self-made man and is married, but then what's his problem with Jake? Jake's a self-made man. He's single. Jake has the exact same job as Eli, even. If it bothers you that much, Eli, get Olivia an eHarmony account and stop undermining democracy.

 

Also, it's starting to really come off as sexist. He loses all credibility when he doesn't trust his brilliant, accomplished, powerful daughter, who can get any legislation passed at will and can write her own ticket, to run her own life and make her own decisions.

 

He should leave and let Olivia go back to choosing which guy will be her boyfriend. The murderer or the other murderer.

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Happytobehere

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I guess when the truth comes out about her boyfriend we will be in for another round of drunk, smelly Mellie or will somehow be Fitz and Olivia's fault that she continues to suck at life choices.

I hate Fitz. I would actually love Rowan if he managed to take Mr. Privilege out as his last act. Loved Jake's verbal bitch-slap of the one Rowan tightly pegged as a boy. Let him know that you are Captain Jake Ballard and you have not and will not forget the low-life coward Fitz revealed himself to be.

Olivia said that the sun is just for her and Jake. So Fitz hasn't won just yet.

Javi seeing who his dad is was heart-breaking.

You mean to tell me that neither super-spy noticed they were blown (yeah TNT, you still get the FU for canceling Leverage).

Cyrus is vile on so many levels. Liv, if you think that's a friend, you are even more blinded and lost tha Rowan thinks.

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picklesprite

picklesprite

Cyrus's "integrity." Jake's "innocence." Fitz's "love." Eli's "protection." I'm enjoying this show more as a comedy!

 

A lot of good food didn't get eaten at that restaurant tonight. You can tell when there's high drama afoot--nobody eats their steak.

 

Was that a truly terrible wig that Olivia wore tonight? No real hair can be that shiny, can it?

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Blakeston

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I actually laughed out loud when Cyrus said he compromised his integrity..... The idea that he thinks he has any integrity to compromise is beyond laughable.

 

The only way I can make sense of that line is that for Cyrus, integrity = getting your job done and supporting your candidate/party, no matter what.

 

He knows it was hugely unethical to have Amanda Tanner killed, and to rig an election, etc. etc. - but he doesn't view them as lapses of integrity, because he did those things for the greater good.

 

Whereas with the prostitute, Cyrus wasn't helping Fitz, and he has no "good of the country" excuse to fall back on. He was leaving the administration at risk solely so that he could have the companionship of a hot man.

 

By all means, though, Olivia should have called him out just for using the word "integrity." But as we've seen over and over again this season, Olivia's ability to argue with people tends to disappear completely.

 

I swear Olivia could lose an argument with a 4-year-old. The kid would say she has cooties, and she would just sit there looking stunned, holding back tears, and quivering.

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buttersister

buttersister

Daddy Pope is still Command? Anyone going to have a problem with him killing all the Army guys? Guess not if he took his files back. I didn't take his threat to Olivia as meaning he was going away as much as just not supporting her in whatever fashion he's been doing. And the sexual stuff was skeevy, but I gotta say, Fitz is responsible for opening that ... ugh.

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Artsda

Artsda

The second Olivia said to her dad on the phone that they're fighting over, I knew Rowan would figure it out was a set up. The way she talked made it seem like she just came from being in a room with both of them at the same time, which considering that's not supposed to be occuring would send some warning flags. Olivia was a moron. 

 

I can't take the whole Jake's a good guy he stands in the sun crap, especially when he's putting on a show to David. Lying in front of everyone, when David knows Jake was command leader better than anyone and in an episode Cyrus talks about his empty house and daughter who doesn't have James anymore. Jake's no good guy, he's no better than Rowan.

 

Aww Mellie. :( I feel bad, I had liked her with the VP. 

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lunastartron

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So I tuned out for a couple of weeks and returned only to find that the characters on this show are even more despicable yet. Capitalizing on your son's death to literally torture your sexual rivals, it seems, is not the basement for moral hypocrisy on this series.

 

Olivia is every bit as vile as Fitz. She's fully aware of the bizarre Guantanamo-as-a-proxy-for-penis-measuring gambit the President's got going on, and she's effectively tacitly condoning it. "We don't live in the darkness, we live in the sun," where she rigs elections and covers up the murder of feeble old ladies on their deathbeds.

 

Olivia to Portia de Rossi, "I don't like you because . . . you LIE!" You know, about two minutes before she betrays the ethics of the client-attorney relationship to run interference for Cyrus.

 

The only plus was that Cyrus, for once, did not bull-china shop his way into a pissing contest of angsty oneupsmanship, like when he felt compelled to whine to Fitz about how his sexuality precluded him from becoming President himself or when he made Mellie's grief all about how no one was paying adequate attention to him.

 

I know Joe Morton is a laureled actor, but, wow, he is just so consistently terrible in this, though, in all fairness, I've yet to see an actor not sink like a stone under Shonda's writing.

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jjj

jjj

Yes, Huck take a child into a van where you plan to obtain compromising sex pictures.  Oops, send the child out with a quarter for ice cream IN THE DARK when said compromising begins.  WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? 

 

And sure, the Secret Service are not going to investigate a lonely van in the middle of a block right across from the VP's assignation, RIGHT AFTER HE WAS ALMOST BLOWN UP BY A CAR BOMB.  Super writing, writers! 

 

Will Jake end up having been in cahoots with Rowan?  The look in his eyes when he said "Sure, no hard feelings" -- I dunno, I thought I saw a plot there. 

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Eolivet

Eolivet

Wow, who knew I'd grow to hate "in the sun" as much as I hate "Vermont." In terms of tortured relationship analogies, Charlie has stripped the sun and Vermont both naked, duct-taped their mouths, wrapped them in plastic and is working on them with a power drill.

 

I did enjoy Rowan saying Olivia had been "blinded" by the sun. The sun is not "the light" -- it's far more powerful and potent, and it can hurt you if you look at it too long.

 

And now I'm thinking how odd it is the Olivia and Fitz's theme is "The Light." White hat, light, sun, darkness, black -- and all the meanings of those words. For a show that is so completely about shades of gray, they do love to paint themselves in moral absolutes.

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SimoneS

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Except Olivia is not blinded by Fitz or even Jake. If anyone is blinded it is Rowan who is unable to comprehend that his daughter is a grown woman who must make her own choices even if they are huge mistakes. Besides, having controlling manipulative ass wipe like Rowan for a father explains Olivia's attraction to Fitz.  Rowan wants to own and control Olivia as much as or even more than Fitz does. Olivia has the same tug of war relationship with both men. For now she has escaped Rowan's grasp, but he is addicted to his need to control her so he won't stay out of her life for very long. 

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PrincessTT

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As soon as Olivia made the phone call to Rowan I knew he would figure out it was a set-up... An emotional phone-call totally outside of the usual dynamics of their relationship was always going to rouse his suspicions, plus she made the mistake of letting on that she had been with Fitz and Jake together. 

 

Given what happened with Tom you'd think that they would realise that there are B613 agents everywhere. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the people moving the files was B613. 

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Haleth

Haleth

Yeah I was SO surprised that Papa Pope outsmarted the Axis of Stupid. So VERY surprised. /sarc

 

This storyline and character are getting so ridiculous it's time for Shonda to step back and look at the bigger picture.  To have an omnipotent villain is always boring.  (See any scifi show that tripped over it's own cleverness by making a once popular bad guy unstoppable.)  Time for the writers to take Rowan down (since none of the other characters can) before he crowns himself King of the World. <evil cackle>

And sure, the Secret Service are not going to investigate a lonely van in the middle of a block right across from the VP's assignation, RIGHT AFTER HE WAS ALMOST BLOWN UP BY A CAR BOMB.  Super writing, writers!

 

It wasn't a Secret Service agent who broke the window and started shooting.  It was the guy that Quinn had been watching, the guy with all the photos of Liv.  It appears the SS weren't at all concerned about the van.

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Guest Accused Dingo

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And sure, the Secret Service are not going to investigate a lonely van in the middle of a block right across from the VP's assignation, RIGHT AFTER HE WAS ALMOST BLOWN UP BY A CAR BOMB. Super writing, writers!

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Well these are the same secret service that in real life can't keep people from storming the White House and have been in a whole lot of controvery lately so i can see them missing a van set up by a well trained B16 opperative.

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Sidney

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The second Olivia said to her dad on the phone that they're fighting over, I knew Rowan would figure it out was a set up. The way she talked made it seem like she just came from being in a room with both of them at the same time, which considering that's not supposed to be occuring would send some warning flags. Olivia was a moron. 

 

 

 

 

All I could do was SMH. And the other two idiots went along with the scheme.

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WhineandCheez

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Yeah I was SO surprised that Papa Pope outsmarted the Axis of Stupid. So VERY surprised. /sarc

 

Last week when the 3 of them were plotting at the end I was thinking that they were like the 3 geeks who got together after school and devised a plot to MAKE the bullies stop slamming them into lockers.  They were that ineffective..

 

So the Hooker has a Heart of Gold?  I think not.  I think enterprising Micheal looks at Portia di Rossi and sees a RNC Chair who is disliked and perhaps on the way out vs. Cyrus who is the right hand man of the President who will be there for 4 more years.

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Sidney

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I can't take the whole Jake's a good guy he stands in the sun crap, especially when he's putting on a show to David. Lying in front of everyone, when David knows Jake was command leader better than anyone and in an episode Cyrus talks about his empty house and daughter who doesn't have James anymore. Jake's no good guy, he's no better than Rowan.

 

 

 

 

And to top off the episode Cyrus's claims of sacrificing his integrity. LMAO!!

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Guest

Guest

I have to say, as much as this show sucks at times and is completely implausible 99.9% of the time, it does manage to hook me!  I literally gasped at some of the last few minutes. When Andrew showed up at Lizzie's house, when the guys started dying as Rowan spoke to Olivia, etc.

 

I expected a final surprise as Rowan walked to the black car. I thought it would be being driven by Maya, freshly out of the hole.

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Daisy

Daisy

Okay. because i'm not American (and Shonda is dumb).what exactly is Portia de Rossi's character? Like what is her job? Is she part of Fitz's  crew? Like, She comes on and i'm like. oh, okay, I'm supposed to 'not like you' because you're against  Cyrus. (where realistically, who cares, because Cyrus). 

I do like how they mentioned Ella and how Ella freaks out with Cyrus because he's a stranger because obvs.. He's too busy doing other stuff than bonding with his child. Like his male Julia Roberts. 

 

Olivia is beyondest of the stupid. If Jake is in SuperMax, she's not really allowed to see him at all, right? which means that she had to get special permission to go see him in the first place. If they are both fighting over Olivia at the same time, this means it's obvious that the special permission came from Fitz, and they were there together. Which means if both were there and she were there, other than fighting , they had to be doing other things together. Dumbass. 

wait that made it sound dirty. but i didn't because I am so over their relationship. Shonda is a lazy lazy writer. she just has everyone say "In the sun!" (or "Hope!" or " Vermont with Jam!" and that's 1/2 her work done). 

Huckleberry Quinn: whatever. Huck as damaged as you are, the hell? bringing Javi to your job? whatever. 

 

Mellie being screwed over by a man: Why not?  Why bother giving Mellie any semblance of  happy?

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MsC

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What the shit was that!?  Did Papa Pope use cheat codes or something to get away with what he just did!?  That's the only explanation!

 

Daddy Pope was and is the head of the USA's MI6/KGB super secret spy organization.   He's got operatives everywhere and a personal army.  The show actually spent quite a bit of time establishing this in earlier seasons.   Which is why it makes the Wonder Triplets even dumber than usual to think they could pull this off.    I realize this is TV so sometimes realism doesn't apply - but how many people are invested in B613 and Rowan?   How many other guys, strategically placed in powerful positions, could be hurt by what was in Jake's files?  It's not like they can really take down Papa Pope without collateral damage.

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gazebo

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Well, that was the first gay hate/sex I've ever seen on TV!  Wow!  I thought Cyrus was going to kill Michael and then get Olivia to get rid of the body!

 

I am unhappy with the way how Rowan left.  He's like some evil god you can't defeat no matter what you do.  Maybe Jake was right, just go and shoot him in the head! 

 

I was so angry that Olivia just sat there and let Rowan justify himself for all the evil deeds that he's done is because he wanted to protect Olivia.  It was an impressive speech but I found myself just rolling my eyes.  Yeah, sure, without Olivia's big strong bad daddy, she won't be able to survive relationships with men!  Rowan reduced Olivia into a child by saying all this bullshit, he doesn't seem to realize that Olivia is a grown, intelligent woman capable of making her own choices.  When Rowan left the restaurant and got into his car, I was so hoping that the sniper on the roof would shoot him and take him out!

 

Now Mellie wants to be just like her husband.  She wants to be President, make decisions and have a nice piece on the side!  I almost felt sorry for Mellie when it was revealed that the VP also had someone on the side too.  I think when Mellie finds out she will be devastated but it won't stop her wanting to grab for power.

 

Oh Huck!  How can you be so foolish as to take your young son to a stake-out!  I felt bad at how traumatized Javie looked when he saw the dead, bloody body flop out from the window of the van and onto the ground.  Not a good time to bond with your son, Huck!

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Tetraneutron

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Okay. because i'm not American (and Shonda is dumb).what exactly is Portia de Rossi's character? Like what is her job? Is she part of Fitz's  crew? Like, She comes on and i'm like. oh, okay, I'm supposed to 'not like you' because you're against  Cyrus. (where realistically, who cares, because Cyrus)

She's the Republican National Committee chair. That's the organization that organizes the message of the party, raises funds, decides how to campaign, and develops the party platform, although candidates frequently deviate from it. The current one in real life is Reince Preibus, the previous one was Michael Steele. She's not part of Fitz's crew. They're at odds, because her job is to get Republicans in power and excecute the GOP platform, and Fitz's policies (what little we've seen of them) are to the left of real-life Democrats'. We're supposed to dislike her because she undermines the President's political agenda. Kind of like Sally.

 

I swear, in a show filled with ridiculous things, the idea that Fitz is a Republican is the most ridiculous of all.

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Guest Accused Dingo

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She's the Republican National Committee chair. That's the organization that organizes the message of the party, raises funds, decides how to campaign, and develops the party platform, although candidates frequently deviate from it. The current one in real life is Reince Preibus, the previous one was Michael Steele. She's not part of Fitz's crew. They're at odds, because her job is to get Republicans in power and excecute the GOP platform, and Fitz's policies (what little we've seen of them) are to the left of real-life Democrats'. We're supposed to dislike her because she undermines the President's political agenda. Kind of like Sally.

I swear, in a show filled with ridiculous things, the idea that Fitz is a Republican is the most ridiculous of all.

I can buy Millie as a Republican but not Fitz. He is the definition of a RINO. Mellie is at least NRA. The problem with Republicans on tv is they are hard to maintain for long especially by liberal writers with feminist idealologies like Shonda Rhimes.

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Guest

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I can't feel sorry for this latest incarnation of Mellie.  The show has written and re-written her character so many times that I don't have sympathy for her. She's still the one who was set-up in an arranged marriage for political reasons, had children she didn't want, faked a miscarriage, encouraged her husband's affair until she didn't, etc.  Poor, little Mellie doesn't work for me.

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LydiaMoon1

LydiaMoon1

Dear Olivia,
Yes, your Daddy is a POS, but get a clue.  So are you and your two boyfriends.  So please stop talking about how you and your mad dog boyfriend "walk in the sun" while you, him, and your other boyfriend are actively plotting your Daddy’s murder and you're struggling to hold mad dog's leash because he's so ready to kill.  You may also want to refrain from slobbing your married lover in the hallway right after the meeting. It’s bad form. 

 

Sincerely,
 

I actually laughed out loud when Cyrus said he compromised his integrity..... The idea that he thinks he has any integrity to compromise is beyond laughable.

I had the same reaction.  Since Cyrus said that Ella cries every time he comes near her, it’s obvious that she knows it too.

Yeah I was SO surprised that Papa Pope outsmarted the Axis of Stupid. So VERY surprised. /sarc

It’s like watching kindergarteners plot against their teacher.

 

The only thing I found to be genuinely shocking was the reveal about Andrew.  I didn't see that one coming.

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Happytobehere

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The only thing I found to be genuinely shocking was the reveal about Andrew.  I didn't see that one coming.

This was not a surprise to me because one of Portia's first scenes involved meeting with Andrew and talking about their plan. It was a two second scene, but it was shown and then never referenced in the hopes of people being surprised.

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Sidney

Sidney

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Is it just me or did they also use the "one minute" music for the Jake Olivia scene. The show is definitely pointing in the direction of her being in love with both of them. 

 

No, it's some different music they play in the *one minute* scenes. I think Olivia do love Jake on some level and wish she could truly commit to him. But sadly, it always comes back to Fitz.

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Tetraneutron

Tetraneutron

Add me to the group of people really starting to prefer Jake to Fitz, both as a love interest and in general. But the show can't get end up with them together. Cyrus is the closest thing Olivia has to a friend, and Jake killed his husband. I don't see a way to get around that. So Jake should do something irredeemably evil sometime this season.

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Blakeston

Blakeston

It wasn't a Secret Service agent who broke the window and started shooting.  It was the guy that Quinn had been watching, the guy with all the photos of Liv.  It appears the SS weren't at all concerned about the van.

 

Right, but that's the issue - that the Secret Service either didn't notice the van, or didn't care about it.

 

I guess it's just a premise of the show that the Secret Service is godawful. The previous veep was nearly killed in a bombing, and rather than bringing her to safety, the Secret Service agents let her go off to plot with Leo, and then run around tending to the wounded.

 

And they made Fitz a sitting duck at the birthday celebration where he was shot.

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Daisy

Daisy

She's the Republican National Committee chair. That's the organization that organizes the message of the party, raises funds, decides how to campaign, and develops the party platform, although candidates frequently deviate from it. The current one in real life is Reince Preibus, the previous one was Michael Steele. She's not part of Fitz's crew. They're at odds, because her job is to get Republicans in power and excecute the GOP platform, and Fitz's policies (what little we've seen of them) are to the left of real-life Democrats'. We're supposed to dislike her because she undermines the President's political agenda. Kind of like Sally.

 

I swear, in a show filled with ridiculous things, the idea that Fitz is a Republican is the most ridiculous of all.

 

Thank you very much.that's appreciative :)

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Spartan Girl

Spartan Girl

Say what you want about Rowan, but he's 100 percent right about Fitz and Jake.  If he has to go, can he please get rid of President Bitch Boy too?

 

I was all excited about Andrew and Mellie getting back together until it was revealed that Andrew is with Elizabeth.  Aw man.  Mellie just has a terrible time picking them, doesn't she?

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Tetraneutron

Tetraneutron

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He is? I don't see it at all. His big claim is that Fitz and Jake will leave her when they get bored of her. I don't see it. They've both torpedoed their lives for her. They sacrifice everythint they have. Fitz attempted suicide when he thought Liv was gone. They defer to her on important decisions. They do what Liv tells them, even when it runs counter to their own interests or goals. And even if they do leave her, Olivia can go back to being one of the most powerful people in Washington, getting the President elected and getting whatever legislation she wants passed.

 

What would make Rowan happy? What boyfriend or career could Olivia have that would satisfy him? For that matter, what are HIS goals? He wants to be the ultimate power, sure, but to do what with it? To be what? It's not about "protecting the Republic", not given the insane decisions he's made. Not given he gave his daughter the President she wanted, like he was buying her a pony. And killed a teenager to do it. The monologues are great and all, but it's getting to a Lex Luthor place, where he's a supervillain for the sake of being a supervillain.

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