Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[bantering]

I feel like Salem is in the Dark Ages -- where are the forensic specialists?

 

I don't think it makes sense for anybody to think Chad did all of these murders, but with Sami I'll assume grief  is clouding her judgment.  I think Rafe and Hope are trying to figure out it's not Chad, but the fact they're not hiring someone from Forensic Files to help them out is killing me. I'm more agitated with those two for not catching up with police technology. The show is probably trying to make Rafe seem smarter than everyone else by suspecting Ben, but he too comes off like a doofus for not using science to help him out in this investigation.

Edited October 16, 2015 by bantering

[swtrgrl]

The show is probably trying to make Rafe seem smarter than everyone else by suspecting Ben, but he too comes off like a doofus for not using science to help him out in this investigation.

Using Old School Intuition vs Science is stupid...but also catering to their old core audience, I guess. 

[DisneyBoy]

I don't begrudge those who like Paul, but my problem is that he's more interesting in theory than in practice. Sonny's Asian ex-lover who is losing his career as a pro athlete due to an injury and is also coming out, finding his biological father and on top of it all, unknowingly sleeps with his true love's current husband? That sounds super interesting and soapy and emotional and most importantly unique.

What I see on the screen is Paul giving the same wide-eyed expression of weak concern and/or interest time and time again. He just looks lost and I'm so bored with it. Sticking him with John as a father in spite of how implausible it is doesn't help.

But here's the thing: Brady is a demonstrably worse guy, but the actor plays his scenes better and has some spark. Sparkle ain't got no spark.

EJ laughed about Kristin raping Eric and you go to HIM expecting a sympathetic response to your learning about EJ's letter? What an idiotic thing to do Sami! Come on now...

Eric isn't doing so well. I like where this is going.

The actor playing Ben just doesn't look like a killer. On soaps, looks count for a lot. He can snarl and act tough all he wants but it just isn't working for me. I think he's too much of a "nice guy" in real life and probably doesn't like playing the villain much or isn't used to it.

Thank God Sonny is smart enough to question why Chad would do this. It makes no sense.

[TeeVee329]

I don't begrudge those who like Paul, but my problem is that he's more interesting in theory than in practice. Sonny's Asian ex-lover who is losing his career as a pro athlete due to an injury and is also coming out, finding his biological father and on top of it all, unknowingly sleeps with his true love's current husband? That sounds super interesting and soapy and emotional and most importantly unique.

 

I was really bummed they didn't next to nothing with Paul having been a celebrity athlete and the complications that would have added to his coming out.  Would have been a fresher angle on the usual soap coming out drama.

Edited October 16, 2015 by TeeVee329

[Apprentice79]

I think Will's death has really affected Eric. I think the show will mine Will's death in the long run and how his family learns to live without him.I don't think Paige and Serena will change the show's landscape. However Will's death will.I wish that they had the family wanting to see and be around Arianna...In her Will lives on....Sonny not wanting to see her is problematic for me...Sami chasing after her rapist is really pissing me off..They should have had Lumi talking and reminiscing about their boy...Epic fail on that...

Edited October 16, 2015 by Apprentice79

[TeeVee329]

Sonny not wanting to see her [Arianna] is problematic for me...

 

I didn't see today...he doesn't?  Didn't he tell Gabi yesterday he wanted to see her as soon as possible?

[Apprentice79]

He had a conversation with Abigail and she mentioned Ari and he told her  that he was not ready to see her yet..I think the show is probably going to have Sonny with Ari on his last day on the show...

[Peanut6711]

But yet when there was an APB out for EJ killing his dad, everyone like Roman were telling her EJ was guilty, when all the evidence was planted and pointing to him. She went on a mission that EJ wouldn't do it, she said the police were wrong (which they were) and even went on the run with him.

First there is the difference between Sami helping clear the father of her children accused of murdering a man she hates vs. believing in the innocence of the man accused of killing her son. Second, Sami is hardly in the same state of mind now as she was then. Right now she is living in sorrow and possibly fear. She knows she crossed the Dimeras. It's certainly not a jump for her to assume Will's death was Chad via Stefano enacting revenge. Then today's letter from EJ nailed that point home even more.  I realize as viewers we know Clyde had EJ killed but Sami would have no basis to think that. 

 

..Sonny not wanting to see her is problematic for me...Sami chasing after her rapist is really pissing me off..They should have had Lumi talking and reminiscing about their boy...Epic fail on that...

I got the impression that Sonny just meant he wasn't ready to face Ari yet...that night. That it would be an emotional moment. Perhaps even the thing that made it all the more real.  

 

As for Sami, EJ's letter is like a glimmer of hope in a very dark period of her life. He was her husband and he was killed just when they thought they we're starting on a new path. Now Will's been taken from her too. She knows she can't bring Will back and this letter gives her something to focus on, a purpose.  I think it makes a lot of sense.  Plus we still have Will's funeral to see. We don't know yet how that will play out with remembrances. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by Peanut6711

[Artsda]

Ben looked pretty psycho while giving the statement to Rafe and he was unable to even give anything concrete about the fight even. Saying "raging" over and over isn't a statement. Ben could have even given partial truths, like he went for the phone to call the cops and that's when the fight started.  That whole conversation should have Rafe already knowing that Ben's lying. 

 

Ben's going to need to prevent Chad from waking up. Chad's a loose end that Ben left. I wonder if Stefano's 3rd option is fake Chad's death, which helps Ben also and may cause him to mess up?

 

Good for Sonny for having half a brain and saying it doesn't make sense, Chad was their best friend . And Abigail too that even after Ben's lies is still not believing.

 

So from the letter Sami thinks Stefano killed his own child? The whole letter is ridiculous especially with Stefano having nothing to do with EJ's murder and it being Clyde. Sami sure switched to be on all about EJ mentality really quick.

 

 

 

Then today's letter from EJ nailed that point home even more.

 

Even Marlena would have the common sense about Stefano he'd not murder his own child. I'm sure Rafe would say the same too. Sami's been written as a moron this return. 

 

Sonny's under the same grief and they still wrote him with half a brain.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Artsda

[Apprentice79]

Have the Hortons reacted to Gabi's early release yet? Julie would have been screaming her head off already..When Julie does come face to face with her, she is going to look bad, going after Ari's only parent in town..Sonny will be back in Paris..The story would have been so much better with Sonny as a single father, coping with Will's death while fighting his attraction to Paul...These writers are doing too much too fast and they are missing alot of beats in all of their stories..We have yet to see Roman react to his grandson's death...

Edited October 16, 2015 by Apprentice79

[Peanut6711]

Ben looked pretty psycho while giving the statement to Rafe and he was unable to even give anything concrete about the fight even. Saying "raging" over and over isn't a statement. Ben could have even given partial truths, like he went for the phone to call the cops and that's when the fight started.  That whole conversation should have Rafe already knowing that Ben's lying. 

 

So from the letter Sami thinks Stefano killed his own child? The whole letter is ridiculous especially with Stefano having nothing to do with EJ's murder and it being Clyde. Sami sure switched to be on all about EJ mentality really quick.

 

 

 

 

Even Marlena would have the common sense about Stefano he'd not murder his own child. I'm sure Rafe would say the same too. Sami's been written as a moron this return. 

 

Sonny's under the same grief and they still wrote him with half a brain.

I agree it was odd that Ben didn't mention the part about trying to call the cops. That might have led more validity to his "statement."  I don't think Rafe bought everything Ben had to say or more likely he's definitely suspicious of him.  I couldn't help thinking that scene played Rafe with more self preservation skills than Will. Rafe at least waited till he was out the door till he pushed buttons that might clue Ben in that he was on to him.

 

EJ's letter basically said if he was dead then he figured he didn't diffuse the damage they'd done and Stef had killed him so it makes perfect sense that Sami would think that.  Sami crossed the Dimeras and EJ stuck by her. They both feared retaliation. That's a healthy fear if you are involved with a mob family.  I personally can't imagine that Marlena or Rafe would rule anything out when it came to Stef.  The old man once held Rafe captive in his basement while an evil impostor took his place, and I've lost count of all of Stef's crimes against Marlena and her family. Again, as viewers we may know Stef didn't kill EJ, but the rest of the characters don't know that and Stef is usually the culprit. Heck, even Chad--his own son--thought his old man was setting him up in the beginning. 

[Artsda]

 

I personally can't imagine that Marlena or Rafe would rule anything out when it came to Stef.  The old man once held Rafe captive in his basement while an evil impostor took his place, and I've lost count of all of Stef's crimes against Marlena and her family. Again, as viewers we may know Stef didn't kill EJ, but the rest of the characters don't know that and Stef is usually the culprit. Heck, even Chad--his own son--thought his old man was setting him up in the beginning.

 

Setting him up is one thing, so is brainwashing, locking up in the basement, holding captive, disowning, faking deaths etc... All those things are totally up Stefano's ally, however when last did we see of him murder anyone much less his golden child? He and Victor couldn't even murder Clyde right and he couldn't kill Marlena when he thought he murdered his daughter. With Rafe, yes he had him in the basement but he didn't murder him he had him locked up. Even Rafe he didn't murder. 

 

Stefano, faking EJ's death and brainwashing his years of Sami away. Having Kristen hidden alive somewhere. All THAT would be classic Stefano. However, murdering his child because he chose Sami? Nope, and others who have known him for all these years like Sami, Marlena etc... should have half a marble to know that too. EJ used to always say he'd not murder Sami because she's the mother of his grandchildren and is family, but now with these writers EJ's writing that he murdered his own son and the father of his grandchildren? Stefano lives to have his family all under that one roof, he'd do anything to get them from Sami but she's still alive and he hasn't murdered her despite knowing she's in LA and where she is. But he'd kill his son? It's totally ridiculous and out of character.

 

But everyone is being written like an idiot to believe Chad's a serial murdering strangler so yeah Stefano murders his kids too is now supposed to be believable to people. Eric thinking it could be a fake trick is more Stefano than killing his kid.  I wonder if we get a Sami telling Rafe scene and him saying it doesn't sound like what Stefano would do just to prove how Rafe is the smartest in the world and Sami's dumb.

[Apprentice79]

Well Rafe is Dena's hero...That is why everybody is stupid and he is Einstein....

[LeftPhalange]

This letter crap is such bullshit. Why can't Sami just be allowed to mourn her son without dealing with bitch ass EJ. They couldn't even wait until after the funeral to introduce this shit. I'm much more interested in seeing her spend time with Lucas and her family rather than worrying about the man who raped her, tried to ruin her life multiple times, and then cheated on her with a piece of gutter trash. This just feels like fan service to Ejami fans. If they were going to do this they could have had Sami discover the letter near the end of her return.

 

The Sonny and Sparkle scenes were pointless. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by LeftPhalange

[Syndicate]

I've missed a lot.  Can someone tell me why Ben is slaughtering people?  Can't believe that legacy character Will is dead because of him.  Where does this leave Paul since Sonny is leaving?

[buffynut]

I liked some things about today's show:
1) Rafe about to close the door, then turning around with more pressing questions for Ben.  Very McCloud-like. EDIT:  I meant Columbo-like.   Anyone remember/know who I'm talking about?
2) Ben putting his own motives into his reasons why Chad snapped.  Think they were foreshadowing him trying to kill Abigail, if he can't have her?
3) Eric, despite having been drinking, having the clear mind to remind Sami she had to bury her son tomorrow.
4) Stefano dismissing Abigail with the wave of his hand.

Edited October 16, 2015 by buffynut

[LeftPhalange]

4) Stefano dismissing Abigail with the wave of his hand.

 

He should have pushed her down and then ran over her with his wheelchair. 

[Artsda]

 

I'm much more interested in seeing her spend time with Lucas and her family rather than worrying about the man who raped her, tried to ruin her life multiple times, and then cheated on her with a piece of gutter trash. This just feels like fan service to Ejami fans.

Definitely especially with Sami claiming how good EJ was and fought against Stefano compared to evil Chad who is Stefano's child. LOL Seems like Dena was also an EJ worshipper with how she's written this lately too.

 

They didn't need to introduce this at all. Make it all about Will, his funeral, his death and have Sami go back to LA to be a mother to her kids. 

[Prairiemakeup]

I liked some things about today's show:

1) Rafe about to close the door, then turning around with more pressing questions for Ben. Very McCloud-like. Anyone remember/know who I'm talking about?

2) Ben putting his own motives into his reasons why Chad snapped. Think they were foreshadowing him trying to kill Abigail, if he can't have her?

3) Eric, despite having been drinking, having the clear mind to remind Sami she had to bury her son tomorrow.

4) Stefano dismissing Abigail with the wave of his hand.

Lol, I thought Rafe was very Columbo-like! We must both be of "a certain age." Edited October 16, 2015 by Prairiemakeup

[buffynut]

Lol, I thought Rafe was very Columbo-like! We're must both be of "a certain age."

 

Duh.  You're right, it was Columbo, not McCloud.  Must be that "certain age" causing me trouble.  McCloud was the one with the horse, right.

[backhometome]

Surely, Ejs letter could have waited till after Wills funeral. Who cares about EJ when her first born is dead. Seems pretty tacky to have EJ nonsense horn in on Wills death story.

 

I laughed when Stefano waved his hand and the elevator opened. 

[Peanut6711]

Setting him up is one thing, so is brainwashing, locking up in the basement, holding captive, disowning, faking deaths etc... All those things are totally up Stefano's ally, however when last did we see of him murder anyone much less his golden child? He and Victor couldn't even murder Clyde right and he couldn't kill Marlena when he thought he murdered his daughter. With Rafe, yes he had him in the basement but he didn't murder him he had him locked up. Even Rafe he didn't murder. 

 

Stefano, faking EJ's death and brainwashing his years of Sami away. Having Kristen hidden alive somewhere. All THAT would be classic Stefano. However, murdering his child because he chose Sami? Nope, and others who have known him for all these years like Sami, Marlena etc... should have half a marble to know that too. EJ used to always say he'd not murder Sami because she's the mother of his grandchildren and is family, but now with these writers EJ's writing that he murdered his own son and the father of his grandchildren? Stefano lives to have his family all under that one roof, he'd do anything to get them from Sami but she's still alive and he hasn't murdered her despite knowing she's in LA and where she is. But he'd kill his son? It's totally ridiculous and out of character.

 

But everyone is being written like an idiot to believe Chad's a serial murdering strangler so yeah Stefano murders his kids too is now supposed to be believable to people. Eric thinking it could be a fake trick is more Stefano than killing his kid.  I wonder if we get a Sami telling Rafe scene and him saying it doesn't sound like what Stefano would do just to prove how Rafe is the smartest in the world and Sami's dumb.

At this point it feels too early to tell if the writers have something credible with the letter storyline or not. I definitely want to see where it goes although I suspect we won't get any true answers. While I think the new writers are bungling this 50th anniversary pretty bad and missing a lot of opportunities for vets back a limited time, I can't say I feel that Sami's storyline is one of them.  To be fair to them [the writers], they assumingly only have AS back for a brief stint, they don't have JS back, and they are dealing with follow-up from a recent exit storyline written by the previous writers. I suspect they are setting the stage for a possible future return of both characters or at the very least they are trying to appease the Ejami fans (like myself) that were anywhere from hugely disappointed with the way the exit was handled last year or outright pissed. (I personally left after that and am only back watching now temporary for the 50th and mostly Steve.). So for the current writers, I'd at least consent that they somehow have to explain how EJ potentially survived after the head scratching ending we saw on screen if they want a future return. 

 

Perhaps (and I'm entirely speculating based off what little we've seen) EJ somehow faked his death and Clyde isn't the "killer" at all. Maybe Clyde was in on it somehow. The letter certainly points to EJ taking precautions should Stef seek retaliation, and there was a scene back last year of EJ with fake identities for the family. Now how that ties in with Kristin injecting his body, I have no clue.  Then again, maybe EJ doesn't think Stef was going to kill him at all but he wanted away from the mob for good and thus wanted Stef to think he was dead and this letter is just a rouse to get Sami to that box where he'll lead her to him. He certainly could guess Sami would jump at revenge over Stef.  Who knows? But there have been far more things on this show that have lacked more continuity and made less sense than that letter. 

 

Incidentally, Stef was sitting around the house today playing chess with a former serial killer so I don't think anything is out of the realm of possibility for the Dimera family. Didn't Andre kill Renee, Stef's daughter?  

[bobcat1946]

Good luck Stefano with keeping abifail away from dimera dick.

[madhacker]

I'm just very glad about one thing today: When Sonny showed up at Marlena's I was half dreading that Sami would go ballistic on Sonny, but instead we got a (way too brief) moment of mutual grief and Sami telling him that this was not his fault. I'm really hoping that Monday we see Lucas and Sami tell Sonny that they still consider him a part of their family and what happened to Will was in no way his fault.

 

I was right about one thing: Freddie is killing it for the last couple of days. I think it's pretty safe to say he's got his second daytime Emmy nomination sewed up. It's just too bad that it under this horrible storyline. Ah, Wilson, there was so much promise with this daytime story and they totally screwed it up.

 

In case you guys haven't heard there's already been a serious backlash to Will's murder up to accusations of homophobia from the producers. This just might be the death knell for this soap opera with ratings  seeming to plummet recently.

[shesajar]

Well Rafe is Dena's hero...That is why everybody is stupid and he is Einstein....

I'm totally cool with him being her hero if he's written as having a brain for a change!

 

Eventually, he's going to have to come clean to Gabi about their dad, right? If not, he's going back on my shit list. It'd be nice to see a male character actually assume that a woman can handle things without getting hysterical.Gabi's been in prison, she doesn't need his protector complex BS.

Edited October 16, 2015 by shesajar

[Rick Kitchen]

What evidence points to Chad as the killer of Will?

 

Why did EJ's letter blame Stefano?

 

Does Eric really think Stefano will be at Will's funeral?

 

I don't understand how TPTB could not have anticipated claims of homophobia with this storyline.

[Syndicate]

Again, why did seemingly sweethearted Ben become such a monster?  He's been strangling women with the exception of Will who was killed because he learned too much.  

[Happytobehere]

He said on today's show that he wants to try to make amends with his first family.

I didn't mean why as in why is he staying. I meant why as in, I'm tired of seeing you, so you can go away now, and I love A. Martinez, but I can't make myself care about his relationship with Rafe, Gabi and dead Paige. His remaining further signals to me that we are getting ready to get the Rafe show and IMO, GG on his best day can't serve as the center or even off-center of a story.

[bobcat1946]

Ben has to be a monster so abifail will not feel guilty for being a cheater.

Ben has to be a monster so abifail will not feel guilty for being a cheater.

 Sami was not allowed to grieve her husband and had to run off to Holly wood so it is no surprise what is happening here with Will's death.

[Lastwaltz]

Great end to a great week. But I just want Ben to die or go away. Every time Abigail hugs him (or worse), my stomach turns over about him being such a violent, ugly person. And I don't give a shit how he got there because I was never invested in him anyway. Those flashbacks (did they have to do that?) where Chad's skull was fractured were awful and I swear I could hear Chad's head crack open like a coconut. Blech, don't show me that again, show -- or wake Chad up soon.

 

Loved Rafe's Columbo-esque followup and sizing up of Ben. All he was missing was a messy trenchcoat and a cigar. I actually just watched a few episodes last weekend and they stood up pretty well! Plus awesome co-stars -- anyone else remember how cool Robert Culp was? I had a crush on Peter Falk. 

 

I also thought it was cool when Rafe telegraphed to Stefano that if there's anything he can do to help prove Chad's innocence, he better get on that. I'm certain that Rafe knows Chad isn't the killer, but I'm not sure he's totally on board the Ben train, either. 

 

Sonny. My heart hurts. Freddie's being just awesome, especially for a week's work after an absence. I'll be sorry to see him go -- he brings a humanity that Jennifer used to have but, well, you know how that story goes : )

Edited October 16, 2015 by Lastwaltz

[MrsMommy]

At this point it feels too early to tell if the writers have something credible with the letter storyline or not. I definitely want to see where it goes although I suspect we won't get any true answers. While I think the new writers are bungling this 50th anniversary pretty bad and missing a lot of opportunities for vets back a limited time, I can't say I feel that Sami's storyline is one of them. To be fair to them [the writers], they assumingly only have AS back for a brief stint, they don't have JS back, and they are dealing with follow-up from a recent exit storyline written by the previous writers. I suspect they are setting the stage for a possible future return of both characters or at the very least they are trying to appease the Ejami fans (like myself) that were anywhere from hugely disappointed with the way the exit was handled last year or outright pissed. (I personally left after that and am only back watching now temporary for the 50th and mostly Steve.). So for the current writers, I'd at least consent that they somehow have to explain how EJ potentially survived after the head scratching ending we saw on screen if they want a future return.

Perhaps (and I'm entirely speculating based off what little we've seen) EJ somehow faked his death and Clyde isn't the "killer" at all. Maybe Clyde was in on it somehow. The letter certainly points to EJ taking precautions should Stef seek retaliation, and there was a scene back last year of EJ with fake identities for the family. Now how that ties in with Kristin injecting his body, I have no clue. Then again, maybe EJ doesn't think Stef was going to kill him at all but he wanted away from the mob for good and thus wanted Stef to think he was dead and this letter is just a rouse to get Sami to that box where he'll lead her to him. He certainly could guess Sami would jump at revenge over Stef. Who knows? But there have been far more things on this show that have lacked more continuity and made less sense than that letter.

Incidentally, Stef was sitting around the house today playing chess with a former serial killer so I don't think anything is out of the realm of possibility for the Dimera family. Didn't Andre kill Renee, Stef's daughter?

I think if they brought ej back the back story should be that the hired hand that actually killed him warned ej ahead of time of clyde plans, and then the hired hand and Kristen faked ejs death and is actually hiding him out from stephano or someone else.

[MsTree]

In case you guys haven't heard there's already been a serious backlash to Will's murder up to accusations of homophobia from the producers.

 

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And I suppose Serena and Paige were lesbians?? Ridiculous!

[oceanblue]

Can someone tell me why Ben is slaughtering people?  Can't believe that legacy character Will is dead because of him.

 

 

No, no one can.  That's the problem with the storyline in a nutshell.

[Apprentice79]

Have you guys seen the latest promo for the show? I thought the Wilson fans got screwed over, I feel really bad for the Haiden fans..I don't understand why Ken Corday is determined to destroy every couple on the show...

[Petunia13]

He said he doesn't believe in super couples. This might be why any couple that gets popular he turns twisted or gross.

[jsm1125]

Have you guys seen the latest promo for the show? I thought the Wilson fans got screwed over, I feel really bad for the Haiden fans..I don't understand why Ken Corday is determined to destroy every couple on the show...

Does anybody else think that Ken has been done with/over this show for quite some time and is too insecure or worried about seeing seen as a quitter to admit it?

[boes]

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And I suppose Serena and Paige were lesbians?? Ridiculous!

While I don't think homophobia is the reason, I also don't think the suspicion is ridiculous, far from it. There are people who fear that the end of Wilson and the departure of both characters from the show is because some viewers were put off by gay characters driving story. So it's a reasonable thought, since it's happened before - often.

And since neither Serena or Paige were lesbians, and their sexuality didn't drive story, that comparison doesn't make sense.

Maybe you have to be on this side of the equation to be sensitive to that fear.

[Artsda]

Again, why did seemingly sweethearted Ben become such a monster?  He's been strangling women with the exception of Will who was killed because he learned too much.  

He was never sweethearted really, they had been dropping hints of his shady Forida past for awhile. The FBI was after him, his name changes,  they also had hints of a Florida past we still don't know about yet, plus he's been arrested for assault a bunch of times and has shown physical assault is his go too to handle things. 

 

Before the serial killer story there was spec they'd make it an abuse plot between Abby and Ben. So his being a killer didn't come out of nowhere. The fact he suddenly became so smart to be able to frame Chad, that came out of nowhere.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Artsda

[Peanut6711]

I think if they brought ej back the back story should be that the hired hand that actually killed him warned ej ahead of time of clyde plans, and then the hired hand and Kristen faked ejs death and is actually hiding him out from stephano or someone else.

That would be a good plausible explanation. Let's hope they go with something like that. Maybe even tie Andre into it somehow.  I honestly would like to see more of this storyline. I'd much rather watch a mystery unfold than watch people grieve every day. Gets depressing pretty quick. 

 

Have you guys seen the latest promo for the show? I thought the Wilson fans got screwed over, I feel really bad for the Haiden fans..I don't understand why Ken Corday is determined to destroy every couple on the show...

Has Ken gone through a lengthy, nasty divorce or something that he's so sour on love and romance??? It would explain a lot. Bet he's fun to be around on Valentine's Day. ;-)

[Apprentice79]

While I don't think homophobia is the reason, I also don't think the suspicion is ridiculous, far from it. There are people who fear that the end of Wilson and the departure of both characters from the show is because some viewers were put off by gay characters driving story. So it's a reasonable thought, since it's happened before - often.

And since neither Serena or Paige were lesbians, and their sexuality didn't drive story, that comparison doesn't make sense.

Maybe you have to be on this side of the equation to be sensitive to that fear.

There are rumours that Higley's religion was the main factor that drove Higley to speak to Corday and Meng about the new change that wanted to reduce the LGBT visibility on their show.  

[Peanut6711]

There are rumours that Higley's religion was the main factor that drove Higley to speak to Corday and Meng about the new change that wanted to reduce the LGBT visibility on their show.  

OMG, seriously? Is this woman related to Kim Davis? Does Corday have no backbone to say no? He does about everything else. If this rumor is true I hope the whole thing does blow up in their faces. 

[DollEyes]

 Once again, AS was outstanding. Will's death has devastated everyone who loves him, especially Sami, whose shock, grief and rage are powerful and palpable. Too bad EJ/EJami had to be dragged into it. This time should be about Sami, Lucas, Sonny & what Will meant to them, not EJ.  If/when Sami learns the truth about Will's murder, Ben had better pray that the cops find him before Sami does. Regarding Paul, I still like him. His showing up at the apartment bugged me a little, but him & Sonny's running into each other at the park later was just a coincidence and knowing Sonny, if he had been offended, he would've said so &  I think Paul would've respected that.

 

 

Ben being a sociopath serial killer is NO way at all on any part on Abby. Indecisiveness by your partner makes nobody a serial killer. Being in a soap triangle is all over this show and every soap, so everyone of those triangles where one part of the trio wants another but with someone else is responsible for the other person being a serial killer?

 

  I respectfully disagree. Of course Ben's the real guilty party and & also know all about the nature of soaps & soap triangles, but my point is that just like Ben's ultimately responsible for his actions, Abby & Chad are responsible for theirs. Abby not only chose to cheat on Ben with Chad & lie about it, she had unprotected sex with Chad, which is just as much Chad's fault as it is hers and in fairness while Abby may not know that she's pregnant with Chad's baby yet, my other point is that this is vintage Abby-taking what she wants without caring whom she hurts, whether it  was EJ's relationship with Sami or her own with Ben. Like I said before, Abby knew full well that she wasn't over Chad and vice versa, but she chose to stay with Ben anyway. Ben's killing spree is bad enough, to say the least, but his killing for Abby, who's not even remotely worth it, is IMO tragic in its own way.  I have no sympathy for Ben, but I've got none for Chabby either, separately nor together.

Edited October 17, 2015 by DollEyes

[LeftPhalange]

There are rumours that Higley's religion was the main factor that drove Higley to speak to Corday and Meng about the new change that wanted to reduce the LGBT visibility on their show.  

 

So Higley allegedly doesn't want gays on the show but she has no problems with a pregnant demon trollop and a psychotic plastic mannequin? K.

[Artsda]

 

I respectfully disagree. Of course Ben's the real guilty party and & also know all about the nature of soaps & soap triangles, but my point is that just like Ben's ultimately responsible for his actions, Abby & Chad are responsible for theirs.

Yes, theirs. Not what Ben does because he's a sociopath. Chad sleeping with Ben's girlfriend does not make him responsible or have any part on him for 3 peoples deaths, Ben's killing spree or means he's deserving of being framed for murders/put in jail. 

 

All of what Ben's doing is on his mental stability and how insane he is. Abby and Chad aren't responsible because they slept together. Will's not dead because Chad slept with Ben's girlfriend or is it any part of their fault that Will's dead when they find out how insane Ben is. 

Edited October 17, 2015 by Artsda

[LeftPhalange]

I think there's a big difference between saying Chad and Abifail's actions and behavior compounded Ben's instability and saying they're directly responsible for him becoming a serial killer. Throughout their entire relationship Abifail has taken every opportunity she could find to be near Chad and then she had garden sex with him. Ben knows that she cheated on him and is constantly lying to his face and deep down he probably knows that she doesn't really want him. Ben killed Paige and Serena so he could frame Chad for murder and keep him away from Abifail. It's not a stretch to suggest that if Abifail and Chad hadn't had sex or if Abifail had put on her big girl panties and dumped Ben a long long long time ago maybe he wouldn't have felt it necessary to start killing people. Obviously, Ben is responsible for his own actions but I think it's fair to say Chad and Abifail set off an unfortunate chain of events. 

[TeeVee329]

There are rumours that Higley's religion was the main factor that drove Higley to speak to Corday and Meng about the new change that wanted to reduce the LGBT visibility on their show.  

 

...but...wasn't she the one who introduced Sonny in the first place?

[oceanblue]

Abigail and Chad have treated Ben badly, I don't see anyone stating otherwise.  What people are saying, is that that does not in any way mitigate his responsibility for his own actions.  If they had treated him well, he might well have killed because there is something wrong with him mentally.  He might well have done it before, in Florida.  They can't be held responsible for Ben's reacting insanely to their selfishness, deceit and general assholery.  They should be held personally responsible for their selfishness, deceit and general assholery.  But Abby at least, will not be.

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...but...wasn't she the one who introduced Sonny in the first place?

 

That's what I was confused about- i could have sworn she was the one who was gung-ho and excited about introducing Sonny and he ended up debuting after she left

[SanDiegoInExile]

That's what I was confused about- i could have sworn she was the one who was gung-ho and excited about introducing Sonny and he ended up debuting after she left

 

Perhaps her plan was to have him be "cured" and fall in love with Melanie?

 

ETA:  Honestly I don't think the WillKill was about "reducing LGBT activity" on the show.  Freddie left to make his Nerium Million$.  And the reaction to Guy Wilson has not been positive.  While partly chemistry, partly material, and partly acting choices, the actor just wasn't cutting it.

 

33 years ago, the recently recast role of "Mary Anderson" was offed by the Salem Strangler.  Strangely enough, I recall an article about her inclusion in SOD, or even the newspaper -- yes, millenials, believe it or not, there used to be regular articles about daytime in your daily newspaper. The article mentioned that the audience had not responded well to the recast Melinda O Fee taking over for a wildly popular (for that time) Barbara Stanger.   I don't recall much about storyline back then (pre-VCR, so didnt get to watch everyday), but I do recall that the recast was jarring and the two actresses played the role very differently.  They looked different and the transition was quick and abrupt (or at least that's how I recall).

 

So they killed Mary Anderson.  The Andersons weren't the Hortons or Bradys, but they were a huge driving force for the show in the 70s.

Edited October 18, 2015 by SanDiegoInExile

[Apprentice79]

 I have heard that her original plan was to have Will come out immediately, Wilson fall in love & be backburned. No real love story. Token gays.. Mardar wrote Will's coming out story and Tomsell wrote the  Wilson love story that they in turn trashed in favor of Paulson and Paul..