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S01.E14: 8:00 P.M.

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35 minutes ago, debraran said:

I hope I’m wrong but David might be another casualty. I wish he wasn’t left alone

Agreed.

But this episode highlights a sad reality. Hospital policy and procedure is not a safe space for anyone suffering a mental health crisis.

Unpopular take I expect but a sad reality.

Look at Gloria. She didn’t give a damn about David. He wasn’t a person to her, he was a liability that she wanted thrown in a hole so there was no blowback on the hospital.

McKay didn’t see a conflicted kid who needed help. She was only focused on hypothetical victims, not the patient brought into the ER by his mom.

Robby tried to handle the situation by putting Theresa and David onto the path of people who would help them, but McKay did an end run around him, and brought in the cops.

This is why people who might need mental help, are so reluctant to seek it out. For all the lip service about removing the stigma around mental health, and recognizing mental illness as a disease to be treated, when people in crisis try to do the right thing, they’re treated like criminals by the very system that is supposed to help them.

Theresa should sue the hell out of the hospital and name McKay in a malpractice suit.

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rwlevin

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I wish I could say that the measles mother was an exaggeration but I’ve seen so much worse. I’ve seen parents refuse life-saving surgeries, medications, diagnostic tests, etc.

Meanwhile, shows like this and ER are why I was so let down when I had my ER rotation in med school. It was so boring. Well, except for the day we had 3 traumas literally walk/be carried in. 

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txhorns79

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2 hours ago, Wicked said:

Loved seeing Robbie lose it on the anti Vax mom

I want to put that scene on repeat.  I just want to be like: "Miss, the doctors are not recommending this course of action for your son for the fun of it.  They are offering this course of action to give your son his best chance for survival, despite all your efforts to kill him." 

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bybrandy

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It is an interesting time

 Robby’s in because you saw how patient he was with the OD kid’s parents, and adult children of dying dad, but 12+ hour Robbie has a much, much shorter fuse. And he says the things that he was able to surprise at the start of the shift. 
 

David’s situation isn’t easy. He needs help. The women on that list need him to get help and their lives aren’t worth less than his.  Robbie’s right. McKay’s right. And the er isn’t the best place for mental health issues but mom literally didn’t know what else to do. 
 

Abbot was a rockstar in the crisis but maybe a little reckless now?  Very much like Santos. I like the doc that was making her do the boring things and not bouncing fore more flashy patient. 
 

Mel, is always a rockstar. But it was nice to see Robbie clock and acknowledge that. 
 

Whittaker is a fav and I’d like to learn more about how he went from theology to pre-med. 

Will Robbie seek help in the off season?  Knock wood but so many people don’t. 

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AstridM

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4 hours ago, storyskip said:

Agreed.

But this episode highlights a sad reality. Hospital policy and procedure is not a safe space for anyone suffering a mental health crisis.

Unpopular take I expect but a sad reality.

Look at Gloria. She didn’t give a damn about David. He wasn’t a person to her, he was a liability that she wanted thrown in a hole so there was no blowback on the hospital.

McKay didn’t see a conflicted kid who needed help. She was only focused on hypothetical victims, not the patient brought into the ER by his mom.

Robby tried to handle the situation by putting Theresa and David onto the path of people who would help them, but McKay did an end run around him, and brought in the cops.

This is why people who might need mental help, are so reluctant to seek it out. For all the lip service about removing the stigma around mental health, and recognizing mental illness as a disease to be treated, when people in crisis try to do the right thing, they’re treated like criminals by the very system that is supposed to help them.

Theresa should sue the hell out of the hospital and name McKay in a malpractice suit.

Yeah, I don’t think that suit would hold up. Doctors are mandated reporters.

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bybrandy

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30 minutes ago, grawlix said:

Can someone explain why the mother was so against a spinal tap?  

Because she say something on the internet that told her spinal tap’s might be dangerous so she couldn’t possibly allow that. 
 

the fact that encephalitis would be worse?!?!? 

Parents of children hospitalized in the Texas measles outbreak have been defending their anti-vax views. 

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Notabug

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5 hours ago, rwlevin said:

I wish I could say that the measles mother was an exaggeration but I’ve seen so much worse. I’ve seen parents refuse life-saving surgeries, medications, diagnostic tests, etc.

Meanwhile, shows like this and ER are why I was so let down when I had my ER rotation in med school. It was so boring. Well, except for the day we had 3 traumas literally walk/be carried in. 

Happens all the time. People come in with a list of tests they want done or medications they want prescribed based on what they found online someplace.  Or, they found a diagnosis online and have decided that they have that problem and just want the doctor to rubber stamp their opinion. And, even in an emergency like the measles kid; the patient or family will demand that testing or treatment be delayed while they do online ‘research’ which they somehow feel is more valid than the opinion of people who actually spent years in school studying the problem.

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Notabug

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1 hour ago, AstridM said:

Yeah, I don’t think that suit would hold up. Doctors are mandated reporters.

If anything, letting a person leave the ER without a thorough psych assessment despite their parent having credible evidence that they were at risk for harming themselves or others is indeed malpractice. Robby’s 2 minute convo with the boy was in no way a proper assessment.  His mother was concerned enough that she made herself sick to get her son to the ER.  If something had happened after the kid ran out and Robby did nothing, the suit would’ve been massive and probably indefensible. There is no wiggle room when minors are at risk.  David is legally an adult, but it is extremely unlikely that all the kids on the list were.  The law is very specific and it is not up to the practitioner to call or not.

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debraran

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6 hours ago, Wicked said:

Loved seeing Robbie lose it on the anti Vax mom

He needs to get out of there, one more hour....and get some sleep. I liked that too but he's getting close to losing it with everyone, the admin, fine, anti vaxer, fine, Doc about David, too heavy handed and he controdictied himself.

I know in promo he goes to look out on roof (another ER thing) but I'll be very sad to see Pitt go for a 9 months but happy to see him walk home.

6 hours ago, storyskip said:

Agreed.

But this episode highlights a sad reality. Hospital policy and procedure is not a safe space for anyone suffering a mental health crisis.

Unpopular take I expect but a sad reality.

Look at Gloria. She didn’t give a damn about David. He wasn’t a person to her, he was a liability that she wanted thrown in a hole so there was no blowback on the hospital.

McKay didn’t see a conflicted kid who needed help. She was only focused on hypothetical victims, not the patient brought into the ER by his mom.

Robby tried to handle the situation by putting Theresa and David onto the path of people who would help them, but McKay did an end run around him, and brought in the cops.

This is why people who might need mental help, are so reluctant to seek it out. For all the lip service about removing the stigma around mental health, and recognizing mental illness as a disease to be treated, when people in crisis try to do the right thing, they’re treated like criminals by the very system that is supposed to help them.

Theresa should sue the hell out of the hospital and name McKay in a malpractice suit.

Yes this show is addressing a lot of bias, a lot of "first gut " responses. A social worker or doctor should have gone in with him to at least try. He's tired, he confused, he was hurt at fest, he's worried about his mom, he's depressed and very angry.

You need to put him on radar, police messed up with things like this before, but he could be just an angry, depressed teen and they have threatened on paper and in their heads and verbally for decades. Of course there wasn't access to guns, social media to make it worse and sadly mental illness is still stigmatized although people talk about it more. Not the same thing. We talk a lot but that's it.

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3 hours ago, Notabug said:

If anything, letting a person leave the ER without a thorough psych assessment despite their parent having credible evidence that they were at risk for harming themselves or others is indeed malpractice. Robby’s 2 minute convo with the boy was in no way a proper assessment.  His mother was concerned enough that she made herself sick to get her son to the ER.  If something had happened after the kid ran out and Robby did nothing, the suit would’ve been massive and probably indefensible. There is no wiggle room when minors are at risk.  David is legally an adult, but it is extremely unlikely that all the kids on the list were.  The law is very specific and it is not up to the practitioner to call or not.

And this is why people in crisis don’t seek help. They know they’re going to be criminalized.

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NeenerNeener

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5 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Whittaker is a fav and I’d like to learn more about how he went from theology to pre-med. 

If you really want your mind blown get a BritBox subscription and watch the same actor playing a cop. I think he's on more than one cop show. He does a pretty convincing American accent here, but he's actually British.

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fastiller

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10 hours ago, Wicked said:

Loved seeing Robbie lose it on the anti Vax mom

Same.  And Gloria too.  That blow-up at Gloria has been long in the making.

6 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Whittaker is a fav and I’d like to learn more about how he went from theology to pre-med. 

I thought he said theology was his minor.  Maybe I'm misremembering or misheard.  I think theology & medicine sit well together in a lot of ways.  

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BC4ME

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31 minutes ago, NeenerNeener said:

Hey, they hired Fiona's actual father, Brad Dourif, to play her dad. I almost didn't recognize him with white hair and a beard. I only realized it was him from his voice.

Cool. I'll have to go back and re-watch. I'll never forget him from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

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jah1986

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Wow, that was a lot. I will be so glad when Robby's shift is over. Loved Whitaker being the one to find him and not Santos if she had lost rock, paper, scissors. I'm still not sure about Abbott, he's a bit reckless too.

Brian Krakow as measles kid's dad took me out. He's going to have to talk his wife down. So did they not know their daughter had measles or did they know and just chose to not do anything about it? I don't think she's seeing what her life will be like if her son lives but with all the health issues that could happen. It'll be a story of how he was a "normal" kid one day and then he was in a wheelchair, non-verbal etc. for the rest of their lives. Just saw a similar storyline on Call The Midwife, only that mom was trying to convince other moms to vaccinate their kids.

Nice to meet Jake's mom, she's seems like a decent person. Can't believe McKay is getting arrested now, at least her son isn't there to see this.

Mateo knows Javadi's name, that just made me smile.

One more episode left.

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kitkat343

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6 hours ago, Notabug said:

Happens all the time. People come in with a list of tests they want done or medications they want prescribed based on what they found online someplace.  Or, they found a diagnosis online and have decided that they have that problem and just want the doctor to rubber stamp their opinion. And, even in an emergency like the measles kid; the patient or family will demand that testing or treatment be delayed while they do online ‘research’ which they somehow feel is more valid than the opinion of people who actually spent years in school studying the problem.

The parents are absolute morons.   Robbie mentioned how frustrated he was with people bringing their kids to the ER and then ignoring his recommendations.   But in the idiot parents' defense, they didn't actually bring their kid to the ER and then  ignore the doctor's expertise.  Instead, they were the idiots who left their sick kid home alone with his younger sister.  She was the one who had enough sense to call 911 and get treatment for her brother.  If their son wasn't that sick when they left for the movies, they may not realize how serious this situation is.  Given the fact that they are clearly not very bright, I don't actually know if they left a critically ill child home alone or if their mildly sick kid deteriorated quickly while they were out.  Robbie is understandably exhausted and completely overwhelmed at this point, but if he could think more rationally he would have realized these parents, like the overdose parents who weren't ready to accept what happened and donate organs, needed more time.  And they needed to hear the fact that their child can't be treated with steroids unless he gets the spinal tap.  And all of this needs to be directed to the dad, who seems more reasonable than his wife.

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sharifa70

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God bless Whitaker - I loved both of his scenes with Robby. Dr. King is another absolute favorite; she projects flashes of the teacher she’s going to be (yes, in my head-cannon she’s a future senior resident).

Santos still needs to be slapped and I wish I could be the one. At the very least I want her taken to task for ignoring her “boring” assignment to go running off after whatever the hell she felt like doing. 

I am very concerned about David being left alone in the room with all the supplies. I hope this day doesn’t end with him hurting himself!

Oh, Javadi. I felt your “he knows my name” down to my bones. Those human Utahs are so, so real.

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circumvent

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12 hours ago, storyskip said:

But this episode highlights a sad reality. Hospital policy and procedure is not a safe space for anyone suffering a mental health crisis.

True. There is no place safe for anyone in a mental health crisis because patients in this country don't have the right to have supports, continuing treatment and anything else. And if you call the police, they get killed just for yelling. It is a completely absurd situation

 

1 hour ago, jah1986 said:

I don't think she's seeing what her life will be like if her son lives but with all the health issues that could happen. It'll be a story of how he was a "normal" kid one day and then he was in a wheelchair, non-verbal etc. for the rest of their lives. Just saw a similar storyline on Call The Midwife, only that mom was trying to convince other moms to vaccinate their kids.

This is also a problem, to think that a wheelchair, being non-speaking is inherently bad. We need to be careful with those stigmas. The problem with the anti-vaxx people is that they are against science and it all grew out of whack when Andrew Wakefield decided that autism was so bad, and that vaccines cause it, that autistic kids would be better dead. Being in a wheelchair and unable to talk is not inherently bad. Of course, we don't want to CAUSE this to anyone but that's not where the conversation should go. It should be about denying years of data and science advances to eliminate a life threatening, contagious disease. Meanwhile, we need to respect every disabled person independent of how they become disabled.

And now we have a government that is actually citing Wakefield as proof of how bad vaccines are.

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Artsda

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McKay deserve to be arrested. She could have taken a second to answer the call or call back. She tampered with it, yes it was going off but had she handled the parole officer the cops would not have been called. 

Measles now, the shootout was over for 30 seconds. Lol that mother is something else, the dad at least seemed to want to save his son

Santos running out of her case, she's not good person or doctor. She only cares about performing flashy tasks whether the patient needs it or not.

Whitaker was great with Robby. 

Robby I'm glad told off the boss, seriously read the room. 

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anna0852

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38 minutes ago, circumvent said:

This is also a problem, to think that a wheelchair, being non-speaking is inherently bad.

I think the 13-year-old who previously had no problems walking or talking would very much disagree with you. This is not a matter of this child having these issues from birth, but rather being set up for damage by his parents who should have protected him. 

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anniebird

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47 minutes ago, circumvent said:

True. There is no place safe for anyone in a mental health crisis because patients in this country don't have the right to have supports, continuing treatment and anything else. And if you call the police, they get killed just for yelling. It is a completely absurd situation

 

This is also a problem, to think that a wheelchair, being non-speaking is inherently bad. We need to be careful with those stigmas. The problem with the anti-vaxx people is that they are against science and it all grew out of whack when Andrew Wakefield decided that autism was so bad, and that vaccines cause it, that autistic kids would be better dead. Being in a wheelchair and unable to talk is not inherently bad. Of course, we don't want to CAUSE this to anyone but that's not where the conversation should go. It should be about denying years of data and science advances to eliminate a life threatening, contagious disease. Meanwhile, we need to respect every disabled person independent of how they become disabled.

And now we have a government that is actually citing Wakefield as proof of how bad vaccines are.

No one said that "being in a wheelchair is bad" - but if this is the outcome of the parents' ignorance, they will be the ones who will be the caretakers for their son for the rest of their lives and they should consider that. 

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Notabug

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4 hours ago, storyskip said:

And this is why people in crisis don’t seek help. They know they’re going to be criminalized.

The law is not one that brings any criminal charges.   In the real world, the hospital's psychiatric social worker would be notified and she would notify Childrens and Family Services.  Due to David running away rather than staying to be assessed. the police became involved because that's tneir job.  The fact that there'd just been a mass shooting and the shooter was not in custody complicated things.  The fact that David ignored the cops when they tried to prevent him from entering the ER without knowing who he was and why he was there, after they'd been told the shooter was heading their way; was unfortunate. but the police are not going to give anyone leeway in a crisis.  Anyone behaving as David did when he returned to the ER would've been restrained, mental health issues or not.

Had David been admitted on hold that morning. the hospital's psychiatric staff would have done the assessment, sent a report to the county and the whole thing would be over with no criminal charges filed.

I have a family member who is bipolar/schizophrenic and we've been living this life for more than 45 years.  I, myself, have taken him to the ER to be 'pink slipped' multiple times when he was off his meds and out of control.  Had to trick him into going there, too, though I didn't induce vomiting then.  I've sat in the ER with him dozens of times and he has never been treated with anything less than kindness dignity and respect.  For that matter, on 3 occasions in the last 45 years, I have had to call the police to come to the house to get him because he was floridly manic and at serious risk to harm himself or somebody else.  EVERY SINGLE TIME, starting with the very first time, in 1980; the police were kind and gentle and understanding.  He was 19 the first time, my mom was there and she was practically hysterical because he was so sick.  The officers made sure there were no weapons in the house and told us to hide the kitchen knives, scissors, etc.  Then. they went to their patrol car, made sure my mother was watching, and put their gun belts and rifle into the trunk and locked it before coming inside to talk to my brother.  They sat down and talked with him for around 45 minutes until he trusted them enough to go with them.  I could've kissed them, their professionalism and understanding was simply above and beyond.  My brother has committed a couple of felonies while manic over the years, and, even when he was jailed prior to his hearings; the officers put him in a single cell and watched him take his meds every day.  They even picked him up to go to court a few minutes early and would circle the block so he could smoke a cigarette.  Not the healthiest thing to do, but absolutely the kindest. I'm so sorry if your experiences haven't been as reassuring.

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Notabug

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2 hours ago, jah1986 said:

Brian Krakow as measles kid's dad took me out. He's going to have to talk his wife down. So did they not know their daughter had measles or did they know and just chose to not do anything about it?

Most anti-vax parents are in favor of kids getting measles, etc 'the old fashioned way'.  I expect they knew or were pretty sure and felt that measles is a minor childhood illness and the kid would recover since most kids do, except for the 1 in 1000 who die from it.  Their daughter was a typical kid with measles, their son was not.  If you listened to what they were saying the girl was sick for more than a week which is usual, with high fevers, cough, headache and generally feeling pretty lousy.  And, yet, her mother thought that was better than the immunization.

The current head of Health and Human Services here in the US is plugging giving kids large doses of Vitamin A to 'prevent measles' which doesn't work, but has caused multiple medical centers in the affected areas to set up clinics to treat kids with Vitamin A toxicity.  Anti-vax mom seems the type who'd be all over Vitamin A/cod liver oil.  There are some small studies on kids with measles pneumonia in the ICU.  It does appear that intravenous infusions of Vitamin A in these critically sick children may aid their recovery and many hospitals are using it as part of the treatment plan. There is no evidence whatsoever that it is any sort of preventative measure.

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iMonrey

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4 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Hey, they hired Fiona's actual father, Brad Dourif, to play her dad. I almost didn't recognize him with white hair and a beard. I only realized it was him from his voice.

I recognized Brad Dourif but I didn't know the actress playing McKay was his daughter in real life. Cool.

I'm not sure I buy Whittaker being the one to talk Robbie off the proverbial ledge. If I had been him and found Robbie having a nervous breakdown like that, I would have run and gotten Dana or Langdon, or someone else senior who knew him better. It's Whittaker's first day there. I realize they're trying to create moments for these characters, and while it was a good character beat for Whittaker, I don't think it was a realistic first day character beat. 

There have been little things here and there that don't quite work in the hour-by-hour, "this is all happening in one day" format the show is using.

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Empress1

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2 hours ago, Artsda said:

McKay deserve to be arrested. She could have taken a second to answer the call or call back. She tampered with it, yes it was going off but had she handled the parole officer the cops would not have been called.

She also straight up told the cops she drilled a hole in it, so I don't know what else the cops could have done. WE know why she did it, but the cops do not.

3 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

Oh, Javadi. I felt your “he knows my name” down to my bones. Those human Utahs are so, so real.

That was so cute. I don't think Mateo is into her, but I do think he's (rightfully) impressed by her.

5 hours ago, fastiller said:

I thought he said theology was his minor.  Maybe I'm misremembering or misheard.  I think theology & medicine sit well together in a lot of ways.  

Pre-med isn't a major - you don't get a degree in pre-med. Many people major in a hard science like bio while they are pre-med, but you don't have to. He could have been a theology major and still done the pre-med course of study. I had a classmate in undergrad who was a history major and pre-med. (On Sex Lives of College Girls, one of the main characters kept saying she was "a STEM major" and it drove me nuts. Are you an electrical engineering major? Applied math? Bio? Chem? What?)

I thought that was a really nice moment between them, when they traded prayer/scripture.

14 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I'll have to watch this again. There is so much going on. But they throw measles and anti-vaxers into the mix at the eleventh hour after an enormous mass casualty event? Hey, maybe save some stuff for Season 2. 

 

Robby made a face that was a great combination of "I'm so tired" and "seriously? Measles?" when he learned it was measles.

Ellis (who I really like and have since she showed up) seems to be making an impact on Santos (who I continue to dislike).

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11 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Abbot was a rockstar in the crisis but maybe a little reckless now?  Very much like Santos.

The difference is that Abbot has finished his training and has years of medical experience, some of it spent practicing medicine in a combat zone. He knows what he's doing and he's maybe earned the right to be a little reckless, especially in a crisis situation. Santos is just a cocky idiot who thinks she knows and is capable of far more than she actually is. 

@debraran Since the clip you posted does not directly relate to this episode, please consider moving it to the media thread. (just posting as an FYI/heads-up for other people too)

4 hours ago, fastiller said:

I thought he said theology was his minor.  Maybe I'm misremembering or misheard.  I think theology & medicine sit well together in a lot of ways.  

I thought he was a theology major. My guess is that he went off to college thinking he was going to become some type of clergy (not sure what kind of Christian Whitaker is and what the proper term for the religious leader would be). He wanted to help people, make their lives better, and ease their suffering. At some point, something happened and he changed his mind on how to wanted to accomplish that. He decided instead he wanted to become a doctor. It's different ways of doing the same thing. 

I doubt we'll ever find out, but I would love to know what kind of medicine Whitaker ends up practicing and where. He's still in med school. He's in the emergency department because that's his next assignment/rotation, not because that's necessarily what he wants to do. I'm curious if his plan is to move to a big city permanently, or if he wants to learn as much as he can from the big city and then take what's learned back to his home community. 

3 hours ago, jah1986 said:

Nice to meet Jake's mom, she's seems like a decent person. Can't believe McKay is getting arrested now, at least her son isn't there to see this.

Based on what we saw of Jake, I kind of figured his mom was a good person.  My understanding is that Jake's mom and Robby dated and for whatever reason it didn't work out, but they stayed friends or at least on good terms. The fact that Robby became an honorary stepfather says something positive about the relationship and the way it ended.  

I knew there was no way they were going to arrest McKay while she was in the middle of treating patients during a major crisis. McKay getting arrested when things were quieter and less chaotic seems about right to me. I'm glad none of her family were around to see it. 

@kitkat343 Here's my guess what happened with the measles case. From the parents' perspective the older brother may have had a rash, but he was otherwise fine. He did not seem sick. If they had suspected anything was seriously wrong, they would have been googling symptoms like crazy or going on WebMD (is that even still a thing?). While they were out at the movies, the older brother very quickly took a turn for the worse and his younger sister had the absolute incredible presence of mind not to totally freak out and instead called 911 (or simultaneously freak out and call 911).  

 

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txhorns79

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3 hours ago, kitkat343 said:

Robbie is understandably exhausted and completely overwhelmed at this point, but if he could think more rationally he would have realized these parents, like the overdose parents who weren't ready to accept what happened and donate organs, needed more time.

It's not really the same situation.  The overdose kid was brain dead, and giving his parents more time to consider pulling the plug, and later, organ donation, wasn't going to change anything.  The measles kid is very ill, and the treatment they are recommending is not really something that can wait all that long until ignorant mom gets a clue. 

On the positive side, I did love that short scene with Javadi and Mateo.  When he told her that she was a rock star, you just know she immediately ran off to find her notebook and start scribbling whatever her married name with him would be. 

 

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tennisgurl

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I did not call Whitaker being the one to find Robby, that must have been such a rough moment, he handled it really well. I cant imagine how it must feel to have gone through this physically and mentally draining day only to find your boss (who you just met) having a total breakdown. He was very calm and empathetic and got him standing again with a "we need you" that got him moving again, which is what he needed. Their conversation at the end was great, Whitaker being a theology minor is really interesting, I can see how someone who wants to study medicine would find theology interesting, and vice versa. 

A part of me is sad seeing Robby snapping at people in ways that he normally wouldn't, especially Dr. McKay who I don't think really deserved it, due to this terrible day and how much he is struggling, but the other part is loving watching him telling annoying people to shut up. First that lady who is always on him about some bureaucracy things, then those stupid antivaxx parents. I really felt that sardonic chuckle when he realized that the kid had measles, like he just cannot believe that he has this now on top of everything.

The little girl who's brother has measles was a really good actress, it really hurt when she told Princess that she couldn't have a snack because she already brushed her teeth, it was so innocent and sad. Those utterly stupid idiot parents, especially the mom who was still pulling stupid articles on her phone as her son is unconscious and possibly dying, made me want to throw hands. At least the dad seems to see the gravity of the situation and wanted to listen, the mom is just all kinds of stupid. No one just wants to "drill holes into your child" for fun, they're trying to save your sons life, despite your best efforts to stop them!

I never thought that the kid was the shooter, and I never thought that the shooter was in the hospital hiding or anything, it all played out the way that seems the most realistic. The killer is some guy we never see who killed himself near the scene of the crime, he isn't important, only his victims are. 

That awkward moment when you bust your co-worker/supervisor for being addicted to drugs only for him to come back to work and you have to work on a patient who overdosed. Now that the crisis is wrapping up, is Robby going to tell Langdon to go again? He might not really be in the mental place to think of even dealing with him, and Santos is the only other person who knows what's going on.

Another really intense episode, but at least we had a few dark chuckles, like Mel awkwardly taking off her blood soaked gown to talk to the little girl, and sweet Vic freaking out over her crush. 

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Empress1

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17 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Mel awkwardly taking off her blood soaked gown to talk to the little girl

“Oh, that’s scary.” She’s so empathetic. Just a genuinely good person.

17 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

The killer is some guy we never see who killed himself near the scene of the crime, he isn't important, only his victims are. 

Yep. This isn’t Law and Order. The show isn’t about the whodunnit. I loved how they handled that. 

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circumvent

circumvent

6 hours ago, anniebird said:

No one said that "being in a wheelchair is bad" - but if this is the outcome of the parents' ignorance, they will be the ones who will be the caretakers for their son for the rest of their lives and they should consider that. 

agreed. I actually said that in my comment. The focus of the conversation is my issue. 

circumvent

circumvent

6 hours ago, anna0852 said:

I think the 13-year-old who previously had no problems walking or talking would very much disagree with you. This is not a matter of this child having these issues from birth, but rather being set up for damage by his parents who should have protected him. 

That's why I said that nobody would want to CAUSE a disability. It is about the focus of the conversation. The worst case scenario is death. Mentioning any possible disability in a world where disabled people are dismissed as nothing - and at this moment things can get so ugly, many may literally die - those possible outcomes should come with more context. Anti-vaxx people are cultists, they don't care about science, they are willful ignorants. Getting them to fear a disability is the wrong way, in my opinion, unless it is mentioned that while being disabled is not necessarily a death sentence, it can limit a child in a world not ready to support a disable person, and it can cause co-occurrent issues  that can be life threatening. 

I do have an issue with how disable people and disabilities are talked about in the media, including entertainment media because that's the lives of people around me. Not dismissing the unwanted result being a disability, but not just trowing things out there in a seemingly rush to go through the script

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Notabug

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1 hour ago, circumvent said:

That's why I said that nobody would want to CAUSE a disability. It is about the focus of the conversation. The worst case scenario is death. Mentioning any possible disability in a world where disabled people are dismissed as nothing - and at this moment things can get so ugly, many may literally die - those possible outcomes should come with more context. Anti-vaxx people are cultists, they don't care about science, they are willful ignorants. Getting them to fear a disability is the wrong way, in my opinion, unless it is mentioned that while being disabled is not necessarily a death sentence, it can limit a child in a world not ready to support a disable person, and it can cause co-occurrent issues  that can be life threatening. 

I do have an issue with how disable people and disabilities are talked about in the media, including entertainment media because that's the lives of people around me. Not dismissing the unwanted result being a disability, but not just trowing things out there in a seemingly rush to go through the script

Yes, the real issue is that this child, if he survives, may well need a lifetime of physical and intellectual support that could have been avoided.  He may well have chronic pain or other medical complications requiring multiple painful medical procedures and treatments. He may face limitations in his career choices due to his medical limitations. Perhaps he is a competitive swimmer, a skilled pianist or enjoys camping and hiking. Pursuing those interests may be severely limited or even impossible for him in the future.  Maybe he dreamed of traveling the world or becoming an astronaut.  While those things might still be possible, achieving them may be a much bigger obstacle now. And, in general, the average life expectancy for someone suffering from neurologic damage due to a virus like measles is markedly shortened.  The kid is an innocent victim here and everyone should feel sad that he will be the one who has to deal with the consequences of his parents' ignorance.

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rwlevin

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9 hours ago, circumvent said:

And now we have a government that is actually citing Wakefield as proof of how bad vaccines are.

The irony about Wakefield is he wasn’t originally anti-vaccine. The whole point of his initial study was for people to stop using the MMR vaccine and use his individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccines instead. Yes, it was all about money. And then he learned how much money he could make being full-on anti-vax and jumped on that band wagon.

 

Regarding Whitaker, I was comp Sci and creative writing before I went into medicine. Of course, I didn’t realize I wanted to go into it until I was a senior but that’s besides the point. I had classmates who majored in history, art history, philosophy, etc. Medical schools actually like candidates that don’t major in the main sciences. It makes them look more well-rounded and therefore sympathetic doctors. Whitaker kind of proves that.

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Infie

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E 1.14 - 42.38

I grew up in a household where whenever we got sick, it was seen as at least partly good news because we were continuing to improve our immune systems.  

I know that lots of folks who are against vaccinations think that exposing their kids to certain pathogens when they are young and more likely to have good outcomes, to help strengthen their immune systems. 

What many people do not know is that the worst side effect of surviving measles is that it can reset your immune system so that it no longer recognizes any of the diseases that it previously had immunity to.   Any vaccinations that had been done, any survived illnesses, all of that built up immunity - gone.  Deliberately exposing your child to measles will NOT boost their immune system even if they survive the experience.  It is much more likely to erase it. 

 

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circumvent

circumvent

9 hours ago, rwlevin said:

The irony about Wakefield is he wasn’t originally anti-vaccine. The whole point of his initial study was for people to stop using the MMR vaccine and use his individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccines instead. Yes, it was all about money. And then he learned how much money he could make being full-on anti-vax and jumped on that band wagon.

Exactly! We (the world) became a bunch of lazy thinkers. In some places more than in others but in general just a bunch of people who prefer to join a cult than question things. There is no critical thinking anymore and it is pervasive. I know so many people who one would call "smart" and who had so many privileges in life following the pied piper like little children

5 hours ago, Infie said:

What many people do not know is that the worst side effect of surviving measles is that it can reset your immune system so that it no longer recognizes any of the diseases that it previously had immunity to

I actually didn't know that until a couple of weeks ago. It is the same with Covid. It is still too soon for a comprehensive study but initial clinical observations have shown that having Covid multiple times my affect long term prognosis, specially for younger people (children and teens)

 

 

 

I think that the story being thrown out there after the mass casualty dramatic hour - and it was just about an hour and a half, all that - was to show that an ER doesn't really stop, people hardly take a breather and have to go on as if they are just fine. Also because there is a real and dangerous outbreak of preventable and contagious disease in the country that undermine the work of doctors in favor of the internet - and I have a serious story about many doctors botching treatment for a friend and suggesting something that it would not be viable to them, and that I had to find out with the help of the internet. In this case, I was right. But there is a lot of crap on the web

 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

20 hours ago, Empress1 said:
  21 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

The killer is some guy we never see who killed himself near the scene of the crime, he isn't important, only his victims are. 

I'm glad it was dispensed with, because I was afraid the season would end with a huge cliffhanger where the shooter shows up at the ER and starts mowing everyone down, and we're left wondering who survives. 

15 hours ago, AstridM said:
  On 4/4/2025 at 8:54 AM, jah1986 said:

Brian Krakow as measles kid's dad took me out.

Who?

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