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S03.E05: Breathe With Me

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agathapenny

agathapenny

10 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I like Faith's yellow sweater vest.

I noticed it immediately last season — whoever styles this show is a genius. It has an incredibly unique look. Kind of a 1970s vibe/palette. Gorgeous patterns and colours. Amanda and Faith in particular have amazing fashion. The characters are all individual. Will has his suits. Faith wears a lot of sweater vests, Angie wears little scarves. Ormewood wears button-downs. And Amanda is the best dressed person on television.

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Snazzy Daisy

Snazzy Daisy

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A Faith-centric episode with a cameo by Betty, no Will/Angie drama, no flirty Marion. Love it! 💙

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“You don’t color-code your closet? How do you get dressed in the morning?” 

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Faith usually plays by the book. But when it hits too close to home, she turns into a dragon. 

Sometimes a hug is all you need to make you feel better… 💕

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DEL901

DEL901

5 hours ago, agathapenny said:

I noticed it immediately last season — whoever styles this show is a genius. It has an incredibly unique look. Kind of a 1970s vibe/palette. Gorgeous patterns and colours. Amanda and Faith in particular have amazing fashion. The characters are all individual. Will has his suits. Faith wears a lot of sweater vests, Angie wears little scarves. Ormewood wears button-downs. And Amanda is the best dressed person on television.

Agree, but how could you ignore the most stylish of them all, Miss Betty Maria White Trent!

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Badsamaritan

Badsamaritan

The preview. Ugh. I'm really starting to resent Angie and these same situations the writers keep putting her in. I wish I'd turned the channel before seeing it because I really liked this episode and I absolutely adored the final scene between Faith and Evie, and then they had to go and fuck up all those tender feelings I was having. I may have to skip next week to maintain my love for everything else on this show besides the train wreck named Angie. I am SO TIRED of her drama. 😒 

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Chaos Theory

Chaos Theory

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Nice Faith centric episode.   She told mom at one point that all she needed from her was a hug and later in the episode Will gave her Betty to hug.   I really do like that both Amanda and Faith’s mom are still badasses.   
 

i actually really do like both Angie and Marion because i think Will needs some happiness in his life.  Angie drama rarely plays out like you think it will.   She isn’t a damsel in distress and Marion will likely be exactly what Will needs in a relationship.  

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cardigirl

cardigirl

I enjoyed this episode too. I love it when the show explores backstories. 

If they knew the storage locker number, why weren't they moving faster? I hate when shows slow down the movements of the "heroes" just to amp the tension. That just did not feel real to me.

Glad to see Betty at the end. What a sweet gesture by Will to give her to Faith to hug. I'd definitely take a hug from Betty.

I hope we see another episode with young Evie and Mandy on the force. The show does an amazing job of casting younger versions of the characters.

So far, this is one of the best shows on right now. 

 

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TV Anonymous

TV Anonymous

The last action scene looks good to fit the narrative and to move the plot, but it makes zero sense for real-world practice. Everybody knew that Evelyn was in danger. They knew the exact location with the locker number. They even had SWAT ready. The what was the need to wait for Faith to lead the raid? That was a situation where swift action was needed. In addition, one pet peeve of mine in police shows is that our heroes in plain clothes lead a raid in front of specialized personnel equipped with tactical equipment.

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agathapenny

agathapenny

2 hours ago, bunnyface said:

I know real estate is hot everywhere, but I can't believe a detective bought a "suicide/murder" house and that they didn't even fix the handcuff scuff marks from the scene of the crime.  How could Faith not know what happened there and why would she buy it anyway?  Otherwise, great episode.

Who cares what happened there before? It probably just means she got it at a better price because some people are superstitious. 

And nobody's going to repair a few scratches on the wall when the new owner may just want to repaint anyway.

I care more about whether the previous owner was a smoker (getting that smell out is awful, and often there are yellow stains all over the place, too) than whether they died in the unit.

As you can tell, I'n not at all a believer that events leave lingering "vibes" in real estate. It's just four walls and you can make it whatever you want. I don't care about cemeteries next door either. At least the neighbours are quiet.

The ones you have to be careful about are former drug houses because there can actually be structural, health-effecting defects caused by the previous residents that can be expensive to fix.

On a totally different note, Amanda and Will's bafflement that someone could not colour code their closet was hilarious. It's almost like Amanda did raise Will.

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fishcakes

fishcakes

Gruesome title card. Did not enjoy seeing our guy's name in blood.

I agree the tactical team was moving way too slowly. For a minute there, I thought Evelyn was going to end up dying in this episode, which would account for the viewer discretion warning at the beginning. Just the fact that I had time to think about that while she was being strangled means it took too long to save her.

I liked that they had Will and Angie in scenes together but not directly interacting. I don't think they even spoke to each other last night. It's playing out realistically, that these two are working together but are still both in avoidance mode. Their scenes are not being overwritten with a bunch of melodrama and awkward longing looks, which is nice.

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possibilities

possibilities

3 hours ago, bunnyface said:

I know real estate is hot everywhere, but I can't believe a detective bought a "suicide/murder" house and that they didn't even fix the handcuff scuff marks from the scene of the crime.  How could Faith not know what happened there and why would she buy it anyway?  Otherwise, great episode.

I think she was just moving in, and hadn't gotten to fixing things yet. The reason it was affordable is because it was "as is" and she didn't have the leverage to make fixing things part of the pre-sale contract. And sometimes the only way to get a house (or condo) is to compromise. The market is insane thes days. Major shrotages and many people priced out entirely. She knew there had been a messy murder. I don't blame her for not looking into the gorey details. She lives with that stuff all the time at work.

 

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

 

3 hours ago, cardigirl said:

I hope we see another episode with young Evie and Mandy on the force. The show does an amazing job of casting younger versions of the characters.

I would love to see an episode with a case that somehow connects to an old case of Mandy and Evie. We would have the present day case but also flashbacks to young Evie and Mandy working on the case.  

Part of me was really disappointed they didn't do Rear Window. I know it's been done a zillion times but it's a classic for a reason. 

Overall, I did enjoy the episode. 

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

1 hour ago, fishcakes said:

Gruesome title card. Did not enjoy seeing our guy's name in blood.

I clearly wasn't operating on all cylinders when I watched this. I didn't realize it was the title card, until late in the show when I was still wondering why Will wouldn't realize he'd been called to this condo before...LOL

I thought it was pretty good, but I agree about the slowness of the tactical response/rescue. Seems like time is of the essence, folks!

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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

2 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

addition, one pet peeve of mine in police shows is that our heroes in plain clothes lead a raid in front of specialized personnel equipped with tactical equipment.

Mine too, along with the standard 'hold the hot coffee mug by the bowl instead of the handle' pet peeve.

I will say that, on the last episode of FBI, the SWAT team went in guns a-blazin' without so much as a warning.  That was different.  

For a moment I thought that title card was part of the scene and the dead guy wrote out Trent's name.

31 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

Part of me was really disappointed they didn't do Rear Window.

That would have really cool.

 

1 hour ago, dleighg said:

And what did the message say?

It was the name of that missing coin, I think.

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Chaos Theory

Chaos Theory

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4 hours ago, bunnyface said:

I know real estate is hot everywhere, but I can't believe a detective bought a "suicide/murder" house and that they didn't even fix the handcuff scuff marks from the scene of the crime.  How could Faith not know what happened there and why would she buy it anyway?  Otherwise, great episode.

Life hack if you want a good price on a house or apartment find one where a violent crime took place.   You can you usually get a good price on it.    As for why no fix the bathroom.   I don’t think Faith noticed.    It was essentially a suicide so a few scratches on the wall are t really going to be a big deal.  Also she did just move in.

 

Almost every cop show / cop adjacent show does a Rear Window themed show.   It’s a horrible trope.   Then again I hated the movie so what do I know.?

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

1 hour ago, dleighg said:

How did Evie have time to write a message (in blood?) on the mis-ordered white shirt in the closet? And what did the message say? Somehow I missed that.

The coin was called the upside down Mioni, so Evelyn writes Mioni, but she writes it upside down.  How she managed to write that, I do not know, it would have made more sense if she said that, since she was on the phone to 9-1-1 right before or during her abduction.

peeayebee

peeayebee

21 hours ago, possibilities said:

Betty's role has been seriously reduced and I'm starting to seriously suspect she wants to retire.

Shut your mouth! But seriously, these last couple of eps with Betty simply doing a cameo made me very unhappy. I suppose it's possible that Betty -- or rather, Bluebell -- is having some issues. She may be demanding more treats or fancier sweaters.

9 hours ago, agathapenny said:

And nobody's going to repair a few scratches on the wall when the new owner may just want to repaint anyway.

I wondered if the scratches were on tile or some hard surface (like quartz) rather than just painted dry wall. That would be more expensive to repair. Anyway, the condo was very cool. I would live there even if the previous tenant had had a bloody bathtub death.

9 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Gruesome title card. Did not enjoy seeing our guy's name in blood.

Yeah, that was not right. I had to explain to my sister that it was just the title for the show which is done for every ep. Still, for once, this didn't work.

8 hours ago, dleighg said:

How did Evie have time to write a message (in blood?) on the mis-ordered white shirt in the closet? 

Agree that this doesn't make sense. I can't even come up with a good fanwank about it.

8 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Part of me was really disappointed they didn't do Rear Window. 

I thought it was clearly a Rear Window homage. Of course they didn't do a remake, which would have been silly, but Evie being laid up with an injured leg, watching neighbors with her binoculars couldn't have been clearer. 

I absolutely loved LisaGay Hamilton in this. She was great. Evie was so perceptive and enjoyable to watch. This was a really good ep.

I also loved the funny banter at the beginning, like about closet color-coding. Seems like the show is adding more of that, or maybe I'm just noticing it more. Anyway, it's a good move. I always like at least some humor in shows.

I'm curious about the ex-con that Angie worked with at the ... gated community? First off, I assume he didn't exactly do what he was convicted of, but we'll see. Second, what was going on with the Dept of Corrections woman who came to talk to Angie? She seemed unusually put out by Angie's refusal to give a good reference. 

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sharifa70

sharifa70

6 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

I thought it was clearly a Rear Window homage. Of course they didn't do a remake, which would have been silly, but Evie being laid up with an injured leg, watching neighbors with her binoculars couldn't have been clearer. 

Don’t forget one of the people she was watching across the way was called Raymond! I loved those little touches…

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

I thought it was clearly a Rear Window homage. Of course they didn't do a remake, which would have been silly, but Evie being laid up with an injured leg, watching neighbors with her binoculars couldn't have been clearer. 

I felt like it was more of a fake out. The episode I was expecting was Evie sees something, and at first no one believes her, but then she convinces Faith and then Faith convinces Will. 

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

Second, what was going on with the Dept of Corrections woman who came to talk to Angie? She seemed unusually put out by Angie's refusal to give a good reference. 

I guess because most people say yes instead of adamantly refusing. As the Department of Corrections woman said, you do not have to any contact with him and most people do not even follow-up on the reference with a phone call. 

Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

4 hours ago, peeayebee said:

Second, what was going on with the Dept of Corrections woman who came to talk to Angie? She seemed unusually put out by Angie's refusal to give a good reference. 

I thought she was a parole agent, and maybe if they get their "client" placed in a workable situation, they get to check off the box and not have to watch him as much.  Angie's refusal cut that process short and made more work for the agent.

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abbyzenn

abbyzenn

From what we  could see I liked Faith's new place.  It has an interesting layout.

I come to the realize that you have to suspend belief watching any law enforcement show.  In reality would Faith have been allowed to lead this investigation?  Would the police have waited outside the storage unit for her? 

I do like the humor in this show.  Will and Amanda would have a fit if they saw my closet.

I'm shocked that anyone would hate Rear Window.  It's one of my favorite movies - Perry Mason as the bad guy! Grace Kelly's wardrobe!  Seriously I can watch the movie just to see her clothes.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

2 hours ago, abbyzenn said:

I come to the realize that you have to suspend belief watching any law enforcement show.  In reality would Faith have been allowed to lead this investigation?  Would the police have waited outside the storage unit for her? 

Yeah, you definitely have to have a suspension of disbelief watching most TV shows and movies. It's funny, sometimes I can do that easily, but other times the departure from reality is so glaring. Like you, I was thinking that Faith wouldn't have been on this case. Was there even a line from someone, like Amanda, saying, "Faith, you can't work the case. You're too close to it."? Then Faith could say, as so many other characters in other shows have said, "Amanda, it's my MOTHER. I HAVE to do this. I can't just sit here." And then of course she works the case. Not realistic, but it sorta kinda precludes us from wondering why she's being allowed to work it.

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amarante

amarante

On 2/5/2025 at 6:32 AM, bunnyface said:

I know real estate is hot everywhere, but I can't believe a detective bought a "suicide/murder" house and that they didn't even fix the handcuff scuff marks from the scene of the crime.  How could Faith not know what happened there and why would she buy it anyway?  Otherwise, great episode.

Why wouldn't she buy it - or really any other rational person since it was being sold at a discount.

In California you have to disclose any death and so she would have known someone died but the police report said it was a suicide.

Scratches on white tile wouldn't have been noticed by many prospective buyers as they were a very slight cosmetic defect. The point was that the over-critical mother noticed them but most "normal" people wouldn't have. 

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sweetandsour

sweetandsour

From the first time I watched this, I am pretty sure Evelyn wrote on the shirt with lipstick.  Not too hard to quickly pump out letters with what's essentially a fat cream pencil.

When I rewatched, it seemed like Evelyn left the clue in the guest room where she was staying.  She used her own lipstick, I think.  That room was right by the front door.

Earlier in the episode, Faith was on the phone about her delivery and putting things in a bathroom - the bathroom where Mike died in the tub.  She had just moved, so must be the master bath.  Why set up the guest bathroom when you aren't expecting overnight guests, before unpacking the rest of your place?

Then when Faith got a knock on the door and thought it was the delivery guy, she walked down the hall as her mom kept knocking impatiently.  Faith's bedroom is on the other end of the condo.  Makes sense that the master would be away from the front door and the resident hallway outside.

So now that I've completed my Ted Talk on Faith's floor plan - there's no way Evelyn had a chance to sneak the hidden message once the bad guys found her in the home, so she must have been in the guest room after her 911 call and when they broke in.  There's no way she was in the hall or the living space, but was able to get past the bad guys with her injured leg, to lock herself in the guest room by the front door.

Like she had the bedroom door closed and when the bad guys broke in, they didn't go to that room first and maybe said out loud to each other "where the hell did he hide the Mioni" as they were tossing the living area.  Giving her time to eavesdrop and leave the clue.

Then they found her and knocked her around, leaving blood in the bedroom, and I guess in the living room where Angie pointed out.  Maybe they dragged her around demanding she tell them where the Mioni is.

In all likelihood, though, they didn't think much about the details we didn't see connecting the scenes, so I'm probably reverse-engineering something that was never engineered in the first place.

As for Betty, I think I read that Bluebell (didn't know her name until this thread, thanks!) doesn't live in Atlanta where they shoot.  Ramon said they fly her in for her scenes.  She or her owner/trainer may have had something going on where she couldn't be on set much for these episodes.  In this episode, there wasn't any reason for Will to go home to Betty or have Betty on the job with him until the end, given the urgency of the case.  They could have done a scene or two at his home in the fake-Alias episode, but Bluebell might not have been available.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

I enjoyed your TED Talk. 😆 Makes me want to rewatch some of the beginning to check out the floorplan.

2 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

so I'm probably reverse-engineering something that was never engineered in the first place.

Yeah, I think that's the likely answer.

 

3 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

 Why set up the guest bathroom when you aren't expecting overnight guests, before unpacking the rest of your place?

I don't follow you. Where did we see Faith setting up the guest bathroom? Did we even see the guest bathroom? What we did see was Evelyn starting to unpack when Faith left for work. And Will did say to Faith, before she found the shirt, that Evelyn seemed to have everything in order. 

I did rewatch particular scenes. That was definitely lipstick that she used to write on the shirt.

So Evelyn was in the living room when she dialed 911. It's obvious she didn't finish the call, otherwise the police would know they were there for more than a wellness check. Evelyn would have given 911 detailed information about what she saw. But she must have heard the guys coming to the front door, so she hung up and then she rushed to the guest room, going directly toward the front door? Makes no sense.

 

AnimeMania

AnimeMania

Evelyn would have been on the phone looking through binoculars calling 911 when the people from the other condo looked over and saw her, either because they just happened to look that way and see her or because they thought or was told the coin might still be in that condo and looked that way. That just might give Evelyn enough time to get to the other room and leave the message. Maybe she heard them shouting about a Mioni, but that wouldn't explain why she knew how to spell it correctly.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

2 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Evelyn would have been on the phone looking through binoculars calling 911 when the people from the other condo looked over and saw her, either because they just happened to look that way and see her or because they thought or was told the coin might still be in that condo and looked that way. That just might give Evelyn enough time to get to the other room and leave the message.

That's a pretty good explanation. When she first started looking thru the binoculars, I was worried about someone seeing her. She should have turned off the lights.

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Maybe she heard them shouting about a Mioni, but that wouldn't explain why she knew how to spell it correctly.

I don't think she would have heard them shouting from the landlady's condo. There was no sound when she was watching them. She must have overheard them when she was hiding in the bedroom. Not sure how long it would take the men to get to her condo. Apparently very quickly!

It still doesn't all hang together for me. IF they saw her thru the window and started running over there, Evelyn would have hurried to the bedroom to hide. They would quickly enter the condo, see the closed bedroom door, and open it. Even if they said something like, "We have to find the Mioni and that woman who saw us," it doesn't seem like that would give Evelyn enough time to write on the shirt. 

And yes, she made a good guess on how to spell Mioni.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

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I loved getting more backstory for Faith and her mom, its been awhile since we got a Faith centric episode and I loved seeing so much more of her and her mom. They have a complicated relationship but there is obviously a lot of love there as well. 

I can just go along with a lot of the cop show things that this show does, and I know its something that every show does, but Faith is the last person who should be leading this investigation. 

So, did the people with the coin murder the guy in the bathtub? There was a lot going on and I think I might have missed it. That title card was nasty, for a minute there I thought that the guy had been killed or took his life and wrote Will's name on the wall, its probably not the craziest thing that's happened to him, just a few weeks ago he had a guy in the middle of a police siege calling him to tell him that he would only talk to him. 

That closet, Will and Amanda would be shocked and appalled! I would love an episode full of flashbacks to Amanda and Evie when they were young, maybe them having to solve a cold case that stumped them back in the day. 

Not a lot of Betty in this one, but I loved the little bit that we saw, everyone feeling bad could use an arm full of Betty. 

This parole handyman/convicted killer has to either become a stalker or he's innocent and Angie will have to clear his name, or else this is a bizarre story to keep going.

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sweetandsour

sweetandsour

9 hours ago, peeayebee said:
12 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

 Why set up the guest bathroom when you aren't expecting overnight guests, before unpacking the rest of your place?

I don't follow you. Where did we see Faith setting up the guest bathroom? Did we even see the guest bathroom?

Oh sorry, I meant that as, Faith wasn't in the guest bathroom in that scene - that must be her room - because she wouldn't be setting up the guest bathroom at that point in her move-in.

lulz I can see many people are also confused about what happened when Evelyn was taken.  The officers Faith yelled at were milling about outside the condo building and defended themselves by saying, "it was a wellness check."  But I was not sure if they thought it was a wellness check-up for Juanita, based on Evelyn's call, or a wellness check for Evelyn because she was interrupted during her 911 call by the bad guys and the dispatcher heard that.  Or a check for both!

It didn't make sense that the dispatcher would hear Evelyn in distress, never to return to the call - maybe a dropped phone on the floor, fighting/yelling in the background, or Evelyn only having time to say, "they're here!" after reporting a possible assault and kidnapping - and the officers would be told "wellness check."  Possibly could be told "wellness check" for Juanita.  Faith said, according to 911, Evelyn saw Juanita let the men in, so maybe that was "wellness check" for Juanita rather than active abduction for either woman.

Because the officers were outside the building, not at a specific residence, I couldn't tell if they were there for Juanita or Evelyn or both.  I would absolutely believe that Evelyn didn't remember Faith's exact address to tell 911.  Faith had just moved in and Evelyn had never been there before.  Even if she plugged the address into her car navigation or told a rideshare driver, I don't expect her to remember it later.  I wouldn't.  And no way did she know Juanita's address.  Attached condos make that even harder - it's not like Single Family Residences where you can say, "I'm at 110 Main St - the woman is across the street on the odd-numbered side, the house with the blue shutters and pink flowerbeds."

With the way the officers were just meandering outside in the courtyard, maybe all Evelyn had been able to tell 911 was stuff like, Faith's street name but not the numeric address, color of buildings, the woman is across the courtyard, we're on the ground floor, I don't know her address number, I don't know my daughter's address number.  So the dillydallying officers didn't know where to go on their own.

lulz I can see Evelyn being the kind of person who would not have Faith's new address on her phone, but she printed out a hard copy of the realty listing and had it in her purse.  So maybe that's why she was in the guest room when the guys broke in.

It's official.  I have fallen down a deep hole of attempted comprehension.  Someone call 911 for my wellness check.

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

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3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I would love an episode full of flashbacks to Amanda and Evie when they were young, maybe them having to solve a cold case that stumped them back in the day. 

Yes! I love this idea. Maybe there's new evidence or someone realized due to improvements in technology/science they could obtain DNA from a piece of evidence or run a test using a smaller sample (because TV Land logic). 

1 hour ago, sweetandsour said:

It's official.  I have fallen down a deep hole of attempted comprehension.  Someone call 911 for my wellness check.

Overthinking TV is what we do here and why many of us are here. It's sort of like the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland "We're all mad here." 

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mrsbagnet

mrsbagnet

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2 hours ago, possibilities said:

Can you text 911? I have never tried, but I'm thinking that would be safer in a situation where you don't want The Bad Guys to overhear your call.

In some places, yes, you can text 911. I would assume it's used mostly by deaf people, but that's a good idea to use it if you don't want to be overheard. They should do more scenes like that in movies and TV so that people are aware that it is an option.

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

On 2/7/2025 at 10:25 AM, peeayebee said:

That's a pretty good explanation. When she first started looking thru the binoculars, I was worried about someone seeing her. She should have turned off the lights.

Yep, one should never snoop while backlit.

On 2/8/2025 at 12:05 PM, mrsbagnet said:

In some places, yes, you can text 911. I would assume it's used mostly by deaf people, but that's a good idea to use it if you don't want to be overheard. They should do more scenes like that in movies and TV so that people are aware that it is an option.

When it was implemented here, one of the reasons given was so that in active shooter situations, so you could hide and contact get the cops without being heard. Of course, it's not only active shooters you might not want to hear you when you call for help.

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