S03.E05: All This Murderous Power

[AntFTW]

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With their trust shaken, the Traitors must move forward; the limits of an alliance are tested.

Air date: January 23, 2025

[ichbin]

Am I the only one finding it problematic that Danielle refers to Rob as one of those Mafia guys given his ethnic background?

[AntFTW]

Robyn said she was a threat to the traitors.

[65mickey]

She also said that the traitors were running scared. I guess she thinks the traitors felt like she was on to them. Talk about delusional. 

[AntFTW]

Carolyn thought Rob was going to be the first to betray her, and it was Danielle that betrayed her first.

Getting rid of a Robyn was good for Rob and Carolyn but bad for Danielle, Robyn was the kind of idiot that Danielle needed. Robyn was defending Danielle hard.

Since last season, I've been saying they need to release the uncut or extended footage from the roundtables. They need to put it on Youtube or an extra on Peacock. The few minutes they gave us of last season's roundtables were juicy, and I'm sure we're missing some good stuff on this season. Next week's roundtable looks like it's gonna be a good one.

The face Carolyn while eating her cereal... 😂

What does everybody think of Danielle? Is she being sloppy?

[Stats Queen]

Danielle is definitely sloppy.

The reasoning for voting for Nikki mad absolutely no sense.

The have been so clueless and are now even more clueless without the brain trust that is Robin. 🤣

[ByaNose]

Danielle was very sloppy tonight. I think Danielle became a little unhinged and the pressure got to her. I know she thinks Carolyn is a mess but she should have hung on a little longer before dropping her name out. Carolyn would have been more than happy to ditch Rob but apparently Danielle didn’t know this. Next week’s turret and round table is going to be off the chain. 

Random but did anyone notice that they used the same shower clip of Sam Asghari from last week? It’s like they said, So we really have to waste more film on him again? LOL!!! That said, he’s miles ahead of Tom Sandoval? Did woman really find him attractive? He looks like he’s dumb as rocks and bugged eyed all the time. 

[DEL901]

During the riddles, Danielle tried twice to protect someone else instead of herself and didn’t realize she was practically saying that she felt safe and didn’t need the shield AND didn’t realize how it looked until a Housewife called it out in front of everyone.   And she still didn’t get her name called at the round table.   Nikki should have mentioned this to turn the discussion.  

And I thought Boston Rob’s response to Ivar’s questioning wasn’t up to his usual standards.  Ivar even gave him the heads up earlier in the day.  Rob got lucky…this time.   

I was also waiting for someone to tell Rob that Danielle was suggestIng Carolyn was a traitor. I was surprised when Carolyn was told.   She is freaking out, but despite how flaky and scattered she can come off, she didn’t get to the end of Survivor without having some game smarts. 

[AntFTW]

5 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

I was also waiting for someone to tell Rob that Danielle was suggestIng Carolyn was a traitor.

I was hoping someone was willing to cause a little chaos and say it at the roundtable.

[QQQQ]

I laughed when Rob said Bob had signed his death certificate (he meant warrant). Also, was Nikki wearing a flea collar?

[janiema]

How is it that these contestants don’t realize that Rob would only have been brought into this game to be a traitor. His master mind skills would have been useless as a faithful.

[MicheleinPhilly]

My word, these people make me feel like a MENSA member. 20 morons with 3 brain cells amongst them all. 

Having not been familiar at all with Carolyn, I had assumed early on that people would sniff her out as a Traitor early on based on her wild facial expressions. But no, people just think she's an airhead who is literally just confused all of the time. 

I really would like them to just do a season featuring "regular" people. All of the fake acting and tears and hero worship of Rob is just grating. 

[RedbirdNelly]

I didn't get Danielle being concerned about getting Rob out. You don't have to plan anything--the odds are strong that the group takes him out--you don't have to lead the effort; you just have to encourage the flames subtly and that issue will take care of itself

I also was surprised she decided to go for Carolyn that strong. No need to rush. You could still accomplish that with a more innocent sounding question--what about Carolyn? are we overlooking her?  

[Michichick]

3 hours ago, QQQQ said:

Also, was Nikki wearing a flea collar?

I don’t know, because I couldn’t see past the rest of her outfit. That top was at least a size too small for her, and she seemed to be using a flannel shirt as some sort of shawl. Weird look.

Danielle is pushing way too hard. I don’t want Rob to end up as the last traitor standing.

[65mickey]

I bet a lot of the faithful suspect Rob is a traitor. But individually they are afraid to make a move to vote him out. And if they go to others in the game at this time  not all will agree to a group vote like what happed with Nikki. Some will squeal to Rob and he will convince enough players that it is someone else. He helped get Tony out and he orchestrated the ouster of BTDQ. It's going to have to be a group effort to take him out.

[Ivana Tinkle]

I don't understand Danielle's strategy during the challenge at all, way to telegraph that you feel safe. And then to have the very person she was saving call her out on it was hilarious, but clearly didn't make an impact on anyone.

I've never seen Survivor, but does anyone else think Carolyn kind of looks a bit like Kathy from BB12 (incidentally, Britney's original season)? 

I've heard of Boston Rob but obviously never seen him in action and he seems...kinda meh? I don't really get the hype based on what I've seen. 

I wonder if Chief Derrick Wiggum is still trying to feed his daughter. 

 

 

[LeDucDiableBleu]

5 hours ago, DEL901 said:

During the riddles, Danielle tried twice to protect someone else instead of herself and didn’t realize she was practically saying that she felt safe and didn’t need the shield AND didn’t realize how it looked until a Housewife called it out in front of everyone.   And she still didn’t get her name called at the round table.   Nikki should have mentioned this to turn the discussion.

 

Lord Mountbatten threw those three names out at the beginning of the Roundtable, and I think everyone kind of locked in on those and were too afraid to mention anyone else. But yes definitely when Nikki was in the hot seat she should have deflected to Danielle. I think that's where the "gamers" have more of an advantage because the good ones have arguments in their back pocket and can identify when to use them.

[MicheleinPhilly]

39 minutes ago, Ivana Tinkle said:

I don't understand Danielle's strategy during the challenge at all, way to telegraph that you feel safe. And then to have the very person she was saving call her out on it was hilarious, but clearly didn't make an impact on anyone.

I don't understand Danielle's strategy at all. Multiple times I find myself asking, "Have you ever watched this show?" Carolyn was also pissed about the BTDQ blindside. Use that to your advantage so the 2 of you can orchestrate Rob's ouster down the line. 

Instead she wastes her advantages to ensure the Housewife doesn't get her fee-fees hurt. She's not even a player that can benefit you strategically down the line! 🙄

Forgot to add: Did anyone else cackle when Tom indicated that he's good at riddles because he reads Dan Brown and Harry Potter? Cause I did. LOUDLY. 

Edited Friday at 05:23 PM by MicheleinPhilly
Forgot to add

[MerBearHou]

11 minutes ago, LeDucDiableBleu said:

yes definitely when Nikki was in the hot seat she should have deflected to Danielle. I think that's where the "gamers" have more of an advantage because the good ones have arguments in their back pocket and can identify when to use them.

Nikki just folded!  She basically said this is who I am -- I'm calm and not stealthy -- and didn't mount any kind of deflection which could have really helped her.  I was sorry to see her go.  I don't know Nikki at all but she seems very kind. Chrishell sure drove that landslide vote with her emotional speech.

[sugarbaker design]

It seems the dumbest Faithfuls (Robyn, Sandoval, Chrishell) use the same script "There was a sudden shift in your demeanor..."  Which normal people realize that could be caused by anything:  lack of sleep, stomach trouble, missing family, dealing with HWives.  Traitors would never let anyone see a sudden change in demeanor.

10 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I don't know Nikki at all but she seems very kind.

Too nice for this show.  She did mention missing her son.

10 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

Chrishell sure drove that landslide vote with her emotional speech.

If I were Nikki, when I was standing in front of the table, after getting banished, I would've singled Chrishell out as an awful friend and an even worse Faithful, I would've begged the table to banish Chrishell next.

[fishcakes]

I didn't see Danielle's first Big Brother season, but I saw her on the Reindeer Games mini-season last year where everyone was calling her a legend and a great player. Then in the first or second episode here, someone said the same thing.

But she's coming across to me as kind of dumb and terrible at this? All her OTT fake crying and bad acting at the breakfasts where they find out who was murdered, which already made a couple of faithfuls find her suspicious (RIP Jeremy), but last night was just one bad idea after another. Not giving herself a shield (twice!) at the riddle game, and then going after Carolyn and trying to sell it as, "no one is paying attention to her, so obviously she's the traitor!"

It's makes no sense to go after Carolyn anyway. She thinks she needs a more reliable traitor to go after Rob, but she doesn't need another traitor at all, just as he didn't need her or Carolyn to get Bob out. She would only need another traitor if Rob could be murdered, but since he can only be banished, then she just needs to be working on the faithfuls.

Right now, only Rob and maybe Bob H. seem to be playing decent games. Bob seems to be in on all the conversations, and no one has talked about getting him out. But I still don't know who half these people or what their names are. If you showed me pictures of Dolores and Robyn, there is no way I could say which was which.

[DEL901]

1 hour ago, fishcakes said:

I didn't see Danielle's first Big Brother season, but I saw her on the Reindeer Games mini-season last year where everyone was calling her a legend and a great player. Then in the first or second episode here, someone said the same thing.

But she's coming across to me as kind of dumb and terrible at this? All her OTT fake crying and bad acting at the breakfasts where they find out who was murdered, which already made a couple of faithfuls find her suspicious (RIP Jeremy), but last night was just one bad idea after another. Not giving herself a shield (twice!) at the riddle game, and then going after Carolyn and trying to sell it as, "no one is paying attention to her, so obviously she's the traitor!"

It's makes no sense to go after Carolyn anyway. She thinks she needs a more reliable traitor to go after Rob, but she doesn't need another traitor at all, just as he didn't need her or Carolyn to get Bob out. She would only need another traitor if Rob could be murdered, but since he can only be banished, then she just needs to be working on the faithfuls.

Right now, only Rob and maybe Bob H. seem to be playing decent games. Bob seems to be in on all the conversations, and no one has talked about getting him out. But I still don't know who half these people or what their names are. If you showed me pictures of Dolores and Robyn, there is no way I could say which was which.

I didn’t see Danielle’s BB season, either, but it was quite a few years ago, iirc.   That game has evolved, so if she were to play again without changing her approach, I doubt she would do as well.  And Traitors is also a different game.  
 

Edited because Traitors apparently do get input into picking replacements. 

Edited Friday at 07:30 PM by DEL901

[janeyjay]

1 hour ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

Forgot to add: Did anyone else cackle when Tom indicated that he's good at riddles because he reads Dan Brown and Harry Potter? Cause I did. LOUDLY. 

Not even close to being a Sandoval fan, but he is making me howl every time he's on screen because of the ridiculousness. Bob Harper yelling at him to STOP EATING as they were exiting the breakfast room had me cackling loudly.

[sugarbaker design]

9 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

And the way she talks about getting a new Traitor to replace Boston Rob…does she think she gets to pick?

In past seasons, Traitors did get a chance to recruit a selected player.

[MicheleinPhilly]

2 hours ago, janeyjay said:

Not even close to being a Sandoval fan, but he is making me howl every time he's on screen because of the ridiculousness. Bob Harper yelling at him to STOP EATING as they were exiting the breakfast room had me cackling loudly.

I don't even know who he is but I find myself laughing at him constantly because he always looks like this 😧.

Edited Friday at 09:23 PM by MicheleinPhilly
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[fishcakes]

7 minutes ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

I don't even know who is but I find myself laughing at him constantly because he always looks like this 😧.

lol. At least he knows. In an earlier episode someone said he looked upset or worried and he said something like, "no, my face is just like this."

[QQQQ]

Wes is keeping a really low profile. Or maybe it's the editing monkeys.

[AntFTW]

Do we think Rob believe Wes when Wes denied saying Rob was a traitor?

[peachmangosteen]

8 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

I really would like them to just do a season featuring "regular" people. All of the fake acting and tears and hero worship of Rob is just grating. 

Same. This season is already almost unwatchable imo. If Rob isn't gone soon I might just have to give up on it. I need to see if there are spoilers out there lol.

4 hours ago, fishcakes said:

I didn't see Danielle's first Big Brother season, but I saw her on the Reindeer Games mini-season last year where everyone was calling her a legend and a great player. Then in the first or second episode here, someone said the same thing.

But she's coming across to me as kind of dumb and terrible at this?

As someone who never liked Danielle/didn't think she 'deserved' to win BB3, seeing people realize she isn't great is validating. Now, if only the masses would start to see how overrated Rob is lol.

1 hour ago, QQQQ said:

Wes is keeping a really low profile. Or maybe it's the editing monkeys.

Maybe a bit of both. Ether way, I'm thankful because I never want to see him again.

24 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

Do we think Rob believe Wes when Wes denied saying Rob was a traitor?

No. He said as much, didn't he?

Which reminded me, Wes was so sheepish with Rob. It's fucking embarrassing. Not as embarrassing of Efron brother's hero worship though.

Edited Friday at 10:51 PM by peachmangosteen

[ladle1]

12 hours ago, janiema said:

How is it that these contestants don’t realize that Rob would only have been brought into this game to be a traitor. His master mind skills would have been useless as a faithful.

I think if I were on the show, I'd assume they'd never choose Rob to be a traitor because he's so obvious. It would be interesting (but not preferable!) to watch this show without knowing who the traitors are. It's likely that some things only seem super obvious to us because we have that knowledge. 

 

8 hours ago, MerBearHou said:

Nikki just folded!  She basically said this is who I am -- I'm calm and not stealthy -- and didn't mount any kind of deflection which could have really helped her.  I was sorry to see her go.  I don't know Nikki at all but she seems very kind. Chrishell sure drove that landslide vote with her emotional speech.

I feel like we've seen this on the show before and while it's frustrating, I kind of get it! When you know you're a faithful, and there's not really any evidence that you're a traitor, what more can you say, other than asserting that you're not a traitor over and over? It would be hard to mount a counter argument against "You were in a coffin" and Chrishell's vague spidey sense. We don't know how long the interrogation actually went on, but at a certain point I'd likely just stop fighting as well.  

[ladle1]

8 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

If I were Nikki, when I was standing in front of the table, after getting banished, I would've singled Chrishell out as an awful friend and an even worse Faithful, I would've begged the table to banish Chrishell next.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that voting out Nikki makes Chrishell a bad friend. They're playing a game, and Chrishell genuinely thought Nikki was a traitor. Yeah, she was wrong, but what are you going to do, let someone skate to the end even if you suspect them, because they're you're friend? This is the game they all agreed to play. 

 

3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Maybe a bit of both. Ether way, I'm thankful because I never want to see him again.

I dislike Wes so, so much. Irrationally so, for someone I've only seen on TV. There are plenty of assholes on reality TV but something about the specific arrogance of that guy just triggers me! 

 

6 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

I don't even know who he is but I find myself laughing at him constantly because he always looks like this 😧.

Sandoval is mentally unraveling so wildly for someone who isn't in the hot seat as either a traitor or a faithful! 

[ladle1]

I don't know if this is a fourth wall thing, and maybe they do this more and it's not shown, but I think it's interesting how much attention is paid to the the tiniest details of people's actions and demeanors, rather than who would actually be picked as a traitor. Britney went there in this episode when she said Carolyn doesn't have the capacity to be a traitor - and she was wrong, obviously, but I think that's a helpful way to think about it! It's a casting puzzle -- a logic question. Who has the capacity to do the job? It's frustrating, for instance, that Ciara's name is even out there, since in my mind there is no way she'd ever be selected -- she just doesn't have the constitution for it. And then, what combination of people would be chosen? It's probably not going to be all folks of the same gender or race, or from the same TV series. 

Anyway, I imagine these types of conversations are being had, but it would be interesting to see them. 

[Thalia]

3 hours ago, AntFTW said:

Do we think Rob believe Wes when Wes denied saying Rob was a traitor?

 

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Which reminded me, Wes was so sheepish with Rob. It's fucking embarrassing. Not as embarrassing of Efron brother's hero worship though.

The entire conversation between Wes and Rob was ... odd.  "did you say my name?"  "No, I swear, I never said your name!"  [repeat x 10]   Wes's demeanor was so strange.   Did he actually say the name or did he just point out that anyone who is so certain about a traitor must be a traitor, without actually saying "Lord Voldemort Boston Rob"?  

 

3 minutes ago, ladle1 said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that voting out Nikki makes Chrishell a bad friend. They're playing a game, and Chrishell genuinely thought Nikki was a traitor. Yeah, she was wrong, but what are you going to do, let someone skate to the end even if you suspect them, because they're you're friend? This is the game they all agreed to play. 

 

No, I'm with you.  I now have Nikki pegged for the person at the reunion show who spends the entire hour filled with righteous ire because her "close friends" --- people she had known for less than a week and more importantly, had only known her for a week --- had the gall to actually try to win the game.   A game, furthermore, where people are expected to lie and make decisions based on very little information.   And, as others have noted, she didn't give them a lot of reasons or even "a" reason to believe her.

I loved Bob the Drag Queen's reaction last week.  He really had a pretty good reason to be angry with Rob.   But, surprise, he realized it was a game move and wasn't mad.  BTDQ is now my hero.  

 

[Quilt Fairy]

I wonder if they were told in advance how many rounds of the riddle game were going to be played.  It made no sense to go early, when presumable everyone (except Danielle) was going to give themselves a shield, but it seemed like a majority of people didn't even TRY to play. 

I also didn't like them editing out many of the riddles and answers, just showing who won or lost. 

 

[sugarbaker design]

22 minutes ago, ladle1 said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that voting out Nikki makes Chrishell a bad friend. They're playing a game, and Chrishell genuinely thought Nikki was a traitor. Yeah, she was wrong, but what are you going to do, let someone skate to the end even if you suspect them, because they're you're friend? This is the game they all agreed to play. 

Chrishell is an atrocious friend, not for voting, but for talking behind her friend's back to Boston Rob, and then betraying her friend at the round table.

[ladle1]

10 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Chrishell is an atrocious friend, not for voting, but for talking behind her friend's back to Boston Rob, and then betraying her friend at the round table.

Agree to disagree, I suppose! I see those as basic elements of game play. 

[SourK]

I never saw Carolyn's season of Survivor, but I think I love her? And the more the other contestants talk about how incapable she is, the more I hope she goes far.

1 hour ago, ladle1 said:

I feel like we've seen this on the show before and while it's frustrating, I kind of get it! When you know you're a faithful, and there's not really any evidence that you're a traitor, what more can you say, other than asserting that you're not a traitor over and over? It would be hard to mount a counter argument against "You were in a coffin" and Chrishell's vague spidey sense. We don't know how long the interrogation actually went on, but at a certain point I'd likely just stop fighting as well.  

I think, also, people bring a bunch of baggage in with them that we don't know. Based on what she said during the discussion and then when she left, it seemed like she felt like they were rejecting her for being different -- and not, like, feeling and emoting the exact way they wanted her to -- and, depending on what your other life experiences have been, and I can see how that might make you shut down and not want to say anything.

47 minutes ago, ladle1 said:

I don't know if this is a fourth wall thing, and maybe they do this more and it's not shown, but I think it's interesting how much attention is paid to the the tiniest details of people's actions and demeanors, rather than who would actually be picked as a traitor.

That's a good point. In most hidden role games, it's literally random, but, in this game, people get picked by the producers, so you could speculate about who the producers would pick and why -- especially if you're used to being on television, which these people are.

But I feel like reality shows don't want to show the contestants talking about production for some reason. Not sure why.

[choclatechip45]

Danielle's biggest flaw in her big brother game is over thinking and with the length of Big Brother it is easier to overcome that. 

[DumbDucks]

Honestly, I’m tired of Carolyn and her drunk velociraptor faces. I guess it helps her game, but I wish they’d stop showing g her constant mugging. 

[MicheleinPhilly]

1 hour ago, SourK said:

That's a good point. In most hidden role games, it's literally random, but, in this game, people get picked by the producers, so you could speculate about who the producers would pick and why -- especially if you're used to being on television, which these people are.

But I feel like reality shows don't want to show the contestants talking about production for some reason. Not sure why.

I know I’ve watched a non-US version of this where a contestant was barely ever on screen and when they got voted off I literally thought, “Who the fuck is that?” 
 

I read afterwards that this contestant essentially spent all of their time talking about the filming and production and what would be “good for tv” so they just never featured them. 

[MerBearHou]

1 hour ago, DumbDucks said:

Honestly, I’m tired of Carolyn and her drunk velociraptor faces. I guess it helps her game, but I wish they’d stop showing g her constant mugging. 

I feel the same here as I did in her Survivor season — not a fan of Carolyn.  She wears very thin for me, very quickly.  I am so looking forward to the showdown next week with Danielle (if it’s not just hype) because it seems like Carolyn uses her voice that she feels no one hears.  I am even less a fan of Danielle and her actress tears.  

Edited Yest. at 05:05 AM by MerBearHou

[peachmangosteen]

19 hours ago, SourK said:

But I feel like reality shows don't want to show the contestants talking about production for some reason. Not sure why.

They're trying so hard to pretend this show isn't produced that it actually comes off way more produced than it may even be. Like, we're not idiots. We know half this shit is fake and that most of these people are playing to the cameras so hiding it is just really frustrating to me as a viewer.

Edited 8 hours ago by peachmangosteen

[Thalia]

18 hours ago, SourK said:

But I feel like reality shows don't want to show the contestants talking about production for some reason. Not sure why.

I watch the BB live feeds every summer.  "You're not allowed to talk about Production" comes over the loudspeakers in the house about eleventy-billion times over the course of any given summer. 

[NeenerNeener]

20 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Chrishell is an atrocious friend, not for voting, but for talking behind her friend's back to Boston Rob, and then betraying her friend at the round table.

I'm not surprised, though. The entire Selling Sunset show is now built around the real estate agents talking smack about each other. 

[ladle1]

I feel like they could discuss it and stay within the narrative fiction of the show by discussing who “Alan” would choose. 

[30 Helens]

21 hours ago, Thalia said:

 Did he actually say the name or did he just point out that anyone who is so certain about a traitor must be a traitor, without actually saying "Lord Voldemort Boston Rob"?  

Yes (to the second part). And I’m sure that made him feel smugly proud of himself, like “ I wasn’t reeeally lying…”

18 hours ago, MerBearHou said:

I feel the same here as I did in her Survivor season — not a fan of Carolyn.  She wears very thin for me, very quickly.

I liked Carolyn on Survivor. Same schtick as here, presented as a ditz but actually had some very savvy reads. And just like here, complained loudly and often to the camera that no one would listen to her. But here, I’m getting tired of that particular whinge. If you want people to listen, be a little more confident and assertive in your presentation. I also feel like she’s exaggerating the quirkiness and mugging for effect. That may be a smart way to make people underestimate you, but it also makes them undervalue your opinions. You can’t have it both ways.

As for Danielle, she was great on Big Brother, but that was a very different game. Here, she’s letting her emotions get in her way and it’s making her very sloppy. But she’s not the first to prove mastery at one game doesn’t necessarily translate to others… remember Dan Gheesling?

Say what you will about Rob, he knows how to stay calm and focus on the long game. Even when he was panting after Amber, he kept his eyes on the prize (the other one). He is also great at reading people, and using what he sees in their eyes to manipulate them. That’s what makes him so interesting to watch, IMO. But his biggest Achilles heel is his ego, and that may get in his way here. 

[tinderbox]

On 1/24/2025 at 7:05 AM, janiema said:

How is it that these contestants don’t realize that Rob would only have been brought into this game to be a traitor. His master mind skills would have been useless as a faithful.

I think the same thing could be said for any of the three late coming basket guys.  Wes and Derrick’s reputations as top notch players are well known.