S14.E4: Twisted Sisterhood

[ZettaK]

The girls' Oceanside getaway gets derailed when a tense exchange between Dorit and Kyle leaves the two at an impasse; on a boat trip, Garcelle feels adrift over her soon-to-be empty nest.

First aired on 12/10/2024.

[Lady Lucy]

Garcelle . . . why are you jumping in? 

 

 

[QQQQ]

And if she is going to jump in, she should try to be more clear. I thought she was backing Dorit 😂

[Straycat80]

Garcelle has never liked Dorito. I like after Garcelle’s comment there was *crickets* and then Kathy sniffed the candle on the table lol. 

[Stats Queen]

I’m team Dorit over Kyle.

Garcelle should have kept her mouth shut. He hatred of Dorit is a problem and it’s getting old.

I’ve never liked Dorit until this season.

Kyle can take several seats.

[Steph J]

I've never liked Dorit, but I'm loving the way she's managing to call Kyle out and cut off the usual avenues she takes to ensure she comes out on top of a conflict. When things took a turn between them I assumed Dorit would flounder being on the outs, but she's risen to the occasion.

On another note, Jennifer Tilly seems like a lot of fun.

[Straycat80]

I liked how Boz and Jennifer were talking about grifters, frauds and scammers and Erika sat there not saying a word. 

[FlyingEgret]

Boz's red dress is one of the best TH looks i have seen in a long time

Lunch Server: we are going to start with the seasonal green salad

Someone: my favorite! (Really? Like wait for the chef's creations maybe...)

[Straycat80]

Poor Sutton trying to ribbon unite the ladies to be friends. Bless her little heart. 
I liked how Dorito and Sutton were yelling at each other and Kathy was on her phone ignoring them and Boz had a look on her face like ‘WTF did I sign up for this show’? Lol! 

[psychoticstate]

21 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I liked how Boz and Jennifer were talking about grifters, frauds and scammers and Erika sat there not saying a word. 

Professional courtesy.  

[snarts]

Gee, imagine Kyle's reaction if Mauricio was texting Dorit. 

Kyle realized she was losing the battle, so she quickly apologized to make it go away. Now she's doing all the sneaky, underhanded, talk behind your back crap to continually punish Dorit. Queue next week's Camille to the rescue! Can morally bankrupt Faye Resnick be far behind? 

[JenE4]

Why are these women surprised that Kyle ices people out and cuts them off when she’s upset with them? This is what she does to her own sisters! Have they not noticed she only speaks to one sister at a time—if that? Now that they’re all sisters via a literal and figurative ribbon binding agreement, expect half of you to get the silent treatment stat.

[Stats Queen]

56 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

Professional courtesy.  

You win the Internet today!

[RealHousewife]

Just watched the first part of the episode . . .

I'm team Dorit over Kyle all day. Kyle has some nerve to act like some wallflower dealing with big, bad Dorit screaming at her when she has been so aggressive towards Dorit many times.

I am normally team Garcelle over Dorit. Garcelle has reason not to like Dorit imo. Dorit aligned herself with Fox Force 5 for years yet was quick to label Garcelle a bully and things she's just not. She was also very dismissive of how Jax was cursed at and offended by Garcelle taking issue with the group's treatment of her child and treating it all as a joke. 

What I do agree with the board about is I wish Garcelle kept out of Kyle vs Dorit. She can dislike Dorit and still see that Dorit has taken a lot of abuse from Kyle. 

I am actually really impressed by how Dorit handled all of it. I like that she stood strong and remembered that Kyle has in fact mocked her business. Sometimes these ladies have legitimate grievances but aren't great voicing them in the heat of the moment. 

Edited December 11 by RealHousewife

[QQQQ]

I'm bored with Kyle vs. Dorit, Kyle vs. Kathy, Kyle vs. Sutton, Kyle vs. Lisa ... Lather, rinse, repeat.

[TomGirl]

Dorit with no makeup and her hair in a towel is absolutely adorable.

[Marley]

Dorit is an idiot & I don’t think she’s capable of listening to ppl. Hers & Kyle’s argument went on too long.

I think I like Jennifer Tilly. More of her pls.

Lol Sutton was actually trying to stick up for Dorit in the end with the whispered comment by Erika but Dorit couldn’t just shut up for a bit & listen.

[dancingdreamer]

2 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

I liked how Boz and Jennifer were talking about grifters, frauds and scammers and Erika sat there not saying a word. 

Omg, I was thinking  the same thing! 

I did love how the newbies , Boz and Jennifer  just wanted them to get on with it, so they could eat! 

4 minutes ago, Marley said:

Dorit is an idiot & I don’t think she’s capable of listening to ppl. Hers & Kyle’s argument went on too long.

I think I like Jennifer Tilly. More of her pls.

Lol Sutton was actually trying to stick up for Dorit in the end with the whispered comment by Erika but Dorit couldn’t just shut up for a bit & listen.

Sutton  shouldn't  bother, Dorit loves the sound of her own voice, and it's various accents..lol. 

[rlc]

This season is in bizarro world. I mostly like Dorit. I don’t dislike Erika. Garcelle has done nothing but piss me off. The only thread to the real world is that Kyle remains an absolutely vile, self-centered harpy.

[bravofan27]

2 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Garcelle has never liked Dorito. I like after Garcelle’s comment there was *crickets* and then Kathy sniffed the candle on the table lol. 

Kathy did her own aromatherapy! Nice! Garcelle has hated Dorit since Dorit said she was "angry" and Dorit should have "known" that you never call a black woman angry. They talked, but I don't think Dorit apologized, and Garcelle seems still pretty pissed off about it. I kind of like the new Dorit. Now that she and PK are separated, she doesn't seem to care as much about being liked by Kyle, and it's refreshing to me. 

2 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Why are these women surprised that Kyle ices people out and cuts them off when she’s upset with them? This is what she does to her own sisters! Have they not noticed she only speaks to one sister at a time—if that? Now that they’re all sisters via a literal and figurative ribbon binding agreement, expect half of you to get the silent treatment stat.

Kyle doesn't seem to like Kathy that much. She's always poking fun of her, and Kathy never defends Kyle when she is in an argument, which is always. 

[princelina]

I would like to note for the record that Dorit DID say that she and Teddi are friends, but not close, and Sutton DID raise her voice first to Dorit.  But the way they were all rolling their eyes and gaslighting her makes me think that this is the season to "take down" Dorit.  I feel bad for her in that I think she really did love PK and he is clearly done with her.

This is a low bar but Kyle is my favorite of the Richards sisters, and I think she'd have been just fine all these years if those other two bitches were guest stars only, but Bravo will take either of them if they want to be on.  I always feel like she "makes fun of" Kathy because Kathy wants to play the part of the ditsy prankster and Kyle is helping her out.  I mean seriously - if she can't "plug in a fan" then she can't plug anything else in because all plugs work the same.  Kathy says she's not sure if she wants to be a part of this group any longer? I'm sure, sister, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

And I've never liked Garcelle. But I will say tonight was the first time she's looked good in a hat on this show 😃

[dancingdreamer]

57 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Kyle doesn't seem to like Kathy that much. She's always poking fun of her, and Kathy never defends Kyle when she is in an argument, which is always. 

I wonder  if she's  embarrassed  by Kathy. I'm not a huge fan of either of them, but I definitely  prefer Kathy.

[hoodooznoodooz]

“That really upset me!”
 

Why has NO one said, “Then why were you LAUGHING, you stupid t- - -.”

Edited December 11 by hoodooznoodooz

[Surrealist]

4 hours ago, Steph J said:

On another note, Jennifer Tilly seems like a lot of fun.

My two favorite things about this episode were: 

1) Jennifer telling Kathy and Kyle that she enjoys watching the drama unfold.

I would too.

And:

2) I can't believe I'm saying this, but when Erika leaned toward Boz about making sure to save to all text exchanges. 

I would too, especially with these women. Always keep a digital/paper trail going with them. 😂

Edited December 11 by Surrealist

[Surrealist]

One other thing: is this the first season where the "fourth wall" really has been broken during the actual show? 

It used to be that they didn't really talk about Reunion stuff (directly) the following season. Same with bringing up BravoCon and WWHL tiffs and arguments. 

Maybe I'm misremembering, but it seems like social media and offline shit is being prominently featured as part of the HWs' storyline arcs this season. 

Edited December 11 by Surrealist

[ivygirl]

10 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

One other thing: is this the first season where the "fourth wall" really has been broken during the actual show? 

It used to be that they didn't really talk about Reunion stuff (directly) the following season. Same with bringing up BravoCon and WWHL tiffs and arguments. 

Maybe I'm misremembering, but it seems like social media and offline shit is being prominently featured as part of the HWs' storyline arcs this season. 

I was noticing that too… I had to really watch carefully during that dinner scene because at first, I could have sworn that Sutton was actually looking at the camera and making some of those comment. I do think it was just the angle, but at first, it totally looked like a break the fourth wall/Jim-from-The Office aside.

 

I never would have guessed Captain Theo was Sutton’s type though 🤣

Edited December 11 by ivygirl

[hoodooznoodooz]

[continuation of last week’s argument in the restaurant]
 

How is that the best table in the restaurant?

Edited December 11 by hoodooznoodooz

[Surrealist]

36 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

I was noticing that too… I had to really watch carefully during that dinner scene because at first, I could have sworn that Sutton was actually looking at the camera and making some of those comment. I do think it was just the angle, but at first, it totally looked like a break the fourth wall/Jim-from-The Office aside.

 

I never would have guessed Captain Theo was Sutton’s type though 🤣

Thank you for saying this! 

I've watched various episodes rerun over the past few years. Initially, I did that binge to watch all the episodes to catch up with you all in Season 12. I think it was. 

But I don't remember them directly addressing off-camera fights from the Reunion, etc., in the subsequent seasons. 

This season it feels very in your face that the showrunners want them to talk about the IRL shit on the actual show. It's kind of jarring at times.

[ivygirl]

28 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

Thank you for saying this! 

I've watched various episodes rerun over the past few years. Initially, I did that binge to watch all the episodes to catch up with you all in Season 12. I think it was. 

But I don't remember them directly addressing off-camera fights from the Reunion, etc., in the subsequent seasons. 

This season it feels very in your face that the showrunners want them to talk about the IRL shit on the actual show. It's kind of jarring at times.

They are REALLY pushing the Dorit/Kyle fight and the marital issues. I get it, to a degree—it’s actually real and it’s very dramatic and emotional. But it’s also a little annoying that they’re digging in so hard within the first few episodes. 
 

I’ll be honest—I like that Dorit is calling Kyle out, but if the whole season is her calling people out, I am going to get a bit annoyed. She hasn’t exactly been innocent all these years, so acting like she has some moral high ground over everyone is a little irritating. She isn’t exactly the most self-reflective of the bunch. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

I get it… Dorit has found her voice…yet she still seems so inauthentic. Nothing ever sounds genuine or heartfelt, it only ever sounds performative. Her affectations are now doing her a disservice if what she is saying actually is authentic.

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 hours ago, Marley said:

Dorit is an idiot…

But so is Kyle. 🙃

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I wonder if she's embarrassed by Kathy. I'm not a huge fan of either of them, but I definitely prefer Kathy.

Kyle has been envious, covetous, and resentful of Kathy for decades. She shares these “cute little quirky” stories, so we think less of Kathy.

Big Kathy hugely f- - -ed up these sisters.

Edited December 11 by hoodooznoodooz

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, ivygirl said:

I never would have guessed Captain Theo was Sutton’s type though. 🤣

I remember Sutton telling the matchmaker she likes TALL men. 
 

Theo might be taller than Sutton. 
 

But “tall”?

[Chatty Cake]

The Dorit/Kyle fight is not interesting enough to carry the whole season. Thanks Garcelle for bringing stupid Teddi into it over a social media post that nobody cares about.  I get why Garcelle doesn’t like Dorit but she doesn’t need to turn into an asshole because of it. 
Sutton is extra annoying. The voice of help during a divorce blah blah blah. 
I am liking Boz more but I don’t understand why she would want to hang out with these people. 

[QQQQ]

I think Garcelle is following in the footsteps of HWs who start out as low-drama, voice-of-reason types. They become smug know-it-alls, adding their 2 cents to situations that don't involve them. See Emily (Orange Co.) and Caroline (New Jersey). 

[Keywestclubkid]

How soon we all forgot that Dorit laughed at Garcelle's son being verbally attacked ON CAMERA by a house wife and told well its not my kid so its not a big deal in a talking head that took weeks to film after the incident and time to actually think about what happened ..... and then told Garcelle to her face its been a whole year since your under age kid was threatened with racist vile attacks and violent threats and to get over it ..

acting like Garcelle is mean for no reason other then to be mean and has no reason to actually have a issue with this dolt of a woman i feel  is disingenuous and no amount of Dortit or her i didn't mean it that way  or NOW i'm sorry means anything because in that moment YES you did .. that is who you are you dont care about things unless they effect you and that is a asshole w

 

NO NO  ... im sorry Garcelle can come for Dorit all she wants she showed who she was in that moment

 

Dorit can fuck all the way off when it comes to anything to do with Garcelle ... i will stand by this till the show no longer exists...

Edited December 11 by Keywestclubkid

[Mindthinkr]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

But “tall”?

I suppose the bar is getting lower. 

[Chatty Cake]

53 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

How soon we all forgot that Dorit laughed at Garcelle's son being verbally attacked ON CAMERA by a house wife and told well its not my kid so its not a big deal in a talking head that took weeks to film after the incident and time to actually think about what happened ..... and then told Garcelle to her face its been a whole year since your under age kid was threatened with racist vile attacks and violent threats and to get over it ..

 

NO NO  ... im sorry Garcelle can come for Dorit all she wants she showed who she was in that moment

 

Dorit can fuck all the way off when it comes to anything to do with Garcelle ... i will stand by this till the show no longer exists...

True but I still don’t understand why Erika is let off the hook for being verbally abusive to the kid in the first place. Dorit brought up Erikas words about the Kyle text yet Kyle won‘t say boo to Erika. They are all scared of this woman for some reason.  Gracelle is a coward for being all kiki with Erika but going after the easier target, Dorit. If I was Garcelles son I would tell her don’t you dare with that woman.

[Keywestclubkid]

55 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

True but I still don’t understand why Erika is let off the hook for being verbally abusive to the kid in the first place. Dorit brought up Erikas words about the Kyle text yet Kyle won‘t say boo to Erika. They are all scared of this woman for some reason.  Gracelle is a coward for being all kiki with Erika but going after the easier target, Dorit. If I was Garcelles son I would tell her don’t you dare with that woman.

i think it was the drunk aspect .. had Erika done that sober and clear headed like she did with Denise's daughters and calling them teenage sluts or tried to double down on it after the fact (she immediately apologized and saw it was wrong to do to her son) then YES i could see this point

Dorit isnt the weaker one .. i dont get this shes weak she runs her mouth constantly

Garcelle had and has every right to come for Dorit at any time she feels like it and to side eye the woman after all that .. in my opinion ...

 

just my two cents

Edited December 11 by Keywestclubkid

[Mr. Miner]

The Dorit love is making me nauseous! 🤢

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

The Dorit love is making me nauseous! 🤢

this part.. i'm like what the hell is going on we are defending the dog dumper racist lady now? she has done so much shit as kyles sidekick but all thats fine now? she is the worst

Edited December 11 by Keywestclubkid

[SweetieDarling]

21 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

this part.. i'm like what the hell is going on we are defending the dog dumper racist lady now? she has done so much shit as kyles sidekick but all thats fine now? she is the worst

I think it's more about someone finally standing up to Kyle after being her doormat minion for so many years. For me it's not about liking Doridiot as much as it's enjoying Kyle being called out for being and doing everything she's ever accused LVP of.

 

[dmeets]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

How soon we all forgot that Dorit laughed at Garcelle's son being verbally attacked ON CAMERA by a house wife and told well its not my kid so its not a big deal in a talking head that took weeks to film after the incident and time to actually think about what happened ..... and then told Garcelle to her face its been a whole year since your under age kid was threatened with racist vile attacks and violent threats and to get over it ..

acting like Garcelle is mean for no reason other then to be mean and has no reason to actually have a issue with this dolt of a woman i feel  is disingenuous and no amount of Dortit or her i didn't mean it that way  or NOW i'm sorry means anything because in that moment YES you did .. that is who you are you dont care about things unless they effect you and that is a asshole w

 

NO NO  ... im sorry Garcelle can come for Dorit all she wants she showed who she was in that moment

 

Dorit can fuck all the way off when it comes to anything to do with Garcelle ... i will stand by this till the show no longer exists...

ALL OF THIS!

Plus the racial macro-aggressions like child bride comment about Crystal, which she was defiant about and shrugged when told about its racist implications. Garcelle was being extremely generous when she called her an unconscious Karen.

And looks like next week she once again calls Camille the c-word, this time without being trashed as an excuse.

Garcelle can hate Door-it all she wants, and I'll be right there along hating her as well. Kyle's act has gotten old, and sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but not in this case.

Fuck DOORit.

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I think it's more about someone finally standing up to Kyle after being her doormat minion for so many years. For me it's not about liking Doridiot as much as it's enjoying Kyle being called out for being and doing everything she's ever accused LVP of.

 

but Dorit does the exaxct same thing kyle does .. she deflects and non-apologizes..... Dorit was fine with Kyle doing this to others when she was her sidekick but NOW has a prob with it cause its directed at her?... i just cant get on board with the Dorit love 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why do the interiors of all the yachts on the Real Housewives shows look like they shot ‘70s porn there? 

[SweetieDarling]

18 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but Dorit does the exaxct same thing kyle does .. she deflects and non-apologizes..... Dorit was fine with Kyle doing this to others when she was her sidekick but NOW has a prob with it cause its directed at her?... i just cant get on board with the Dorit love 

oh, I am not on board with any love for Dorit, I think it's my loathing of Kyle that makes this fight somewhat enjoyable to me, and to watch Dorit ineffectively fumble her way through her arguments

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

...she runs her mouth constantly

Even my DVR couldn't take Dorito's nonstop talking anymore and cut off the show mid sentence of her bloviating at the end. 

[JenE4]

I think we can enjoy Dorit standing up for herself and putting Kyle in her place without absolving her of a decade (decade and a half? or however long she’s been on this show) of Karen behavior. It was pretty great when Kyle snidely said (paraphrasing), “God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason, Dorit!” And Dorit retorted, “No, you’re going to listen now, Kyle.” And Kyle was just left sputtering with a dumbfounded look on her face.

Kyle is so used to Dorit being her lackey that she doesn’t know what to do with herself now that she was the one who pushed Dorit out as her #2 mean girl sidekick. It’s like watching Mean Girls or Heathers. Yeah, the secondary and tertiary mean girls did some crappy stuff, too, but we still root for them taking down the HBIC.
 

[Baltimore Betty]

I fell asleep during the first scene with Dorit yammering on.  I am watching it now, I almost fell asleep again.

[FlyingEgret]

For two sweet seconds I forgot who Teddi's Father was and thought it was nice of Dorit to do a repost to help him out 🙄