Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[General Days]

I didn't spot Maddie or any of Robyn's children in the photos from the Guard ceremony. That only tells us they weren't visible in photos. 

If Maddie was not there, I can understand why. She lives far away. Traveling with young kids is hard, and leaving them in someone else's care is, too. She didn't make it to Gwendlyn's wedding either, because money was an issue.

If Solomon and Ariella weren't there, I can understand Robyn and Kody not pulling them out of school for another memorial on top of the funeral. Every kid reacts differently to death. Parents have to consider what's healthiest for those kids. 

If Robyn's three adult kids weren't there, we don't know why. Employers and colleges don't exactly hand out time off. The last place I worked allowed three bereavement days for immediate family only (my grandmother's death/wake/funeral didn't count). A million years ago, my college was worse.

Robyn had a brother who died of suicide. I don't know if those kids were close to him, and how his passing affected them at the time. Also, if there is still unease between them and the OG kids, their absence might have been an attempt at letting the OG come together without adding any tension.

I found it sad that it seems possible not everyone made it, but I was truly pleased to see how many of the kids and their partners did make it, despite their busy adult lives.

I'm not going to judge people who I didn't see in pictures. Maybe they weren't seated when the pictures were taken. If they didn't go, I don't know why they didn't go.

Finally, the Browns supposedly have a few events planned over the next couple of months, including a family reunion in Wyoming. It is understandable if Maddie and/or Robyn's three oldest kids had to pick and choose what they can attend.

 

16 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Not only were there 3 people between Kody and Janelle… he wasn’t even sitting next to his own mother.  Robyn was.

 

According to Mykelti (this was mentioned prior to Garrison's passing) Grandma Genielle has some dementia or Alzheimer's now (I forget how Mykelti phrased it and I don't think she's all that precise in discussing medical issues, anyhow).

Some people are better suited to helping dementia patients, than others. It doesn't stretch my imagination to think Robyn might be a better choice for Genielle than Kody. Even on his best days, Kody Brown isn't what you'd call a calming presence.

I feel like who sat where is becoming a bigger thing than need be. Their seating may have involved no more thought than who wandered in first.

These people are the walking wounded, right now. I think they need some grace.

[xwordfanatik]

Crybrows saying "it's scary," and not inviting Garrison and Gabriel for the holidays really bothered me.  I wonder if she has regrets about that now.

The toxic couple deserve to feel guilty, IMO.  

[Tuxcat]

I understand the criticism but I do feel for Robyns kids. The older ones are likely well aware of their status in the public eye. Their mother is sent literal death threats.

If they were at the service - they very well could have stayed off camera. Perhaps the family had approval as to which photos were posted by the Nevada National Guard?  I would not blame them one bit for trying to stay private. As @General Days said, we really have no idea if they were there or not. 

Is Robyn's mother next to Annie in the second row behind Meri? Or is that someone else? 

Where does Janelle's sister live?

I also do not know that the seating was planned at all. I noticed Savanah way at the end and my heart always goes to her a bit. But perhaps she wanted to be closer to Ysabel and just sat wherever. Same with the others. 

 

[Tuxcat]

2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Kody may have not had had an inkling, but I guess the question I have is, how hard and how far can you push your child and still sleep at night?  Obviously now that question takes a very dark turn.  I just cannot fathom speaking so terribly about my children on national television.  Say it in private, or to your wife, or in a text, etc.  But no matter how angry Kody was at the time, he went way too far with the things he said - knowing that he was saying them for a camera and could not take them back.  

I would not wish Kody's pain on anyone.  He never imagined the outcome of his words, but at the same time, how could he not?  They are your children, and words matter, and he seemed to want to really hurt them with his words.

I wonder if we will ever hear from Kody going forward on the show.

 

I also question all the parents in this regard. Note - no blame regarding this tragic passing.  Just things we've said before about baiting the storylines for the purposes of "entertainment."

This isn't a reality show where things just happen to be caught on camera. The story boards are mapped. Most recently we hear leading questions from Christine and Janelle, "so you haven't seen your dad recently..."  The family's division - and their decision to involve/exploit the adult children - was a decision made by all of them.

Granted the vitriol and hateful rhetoric comes from Kody and I just can't even imagine his mindset. But I don't understand why Christine and Janelle would allow it to continue season after season either. Ysabel's pain and abandonoment - publicly exploited. Garrison's...Gabe's purposefully exploited. 

There is a small piece of me that also wonders about Kody's increasing frustration with Garrison - especially if Garrison was struggling with mental health difficultues and alcohol. I wonder if Kody was trying to "old school/tough love" him to "get straight." Completely incorrect obviously but --- I think there was likely far more to their dynamic that we saw on screen. And  perhaps that part was actually shielded from public consumption.

 

[RoxiP]

Why would Janelle want to sit next to Kody?  If I were here I would have gone off on him because I would have thought that his actions had a direct effect on his children and now they are dealing with one of the consequences.  Janelle is a much more gracious woman that I would ever be.

[SDVegas]

47 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

Crybrows saying "it's scary," and not inviting Garrison and Gabriel for the holidays really bothered me.  I wonder if she has regrets about that now.

The toxic couple deserve to feel guilty, IMO.  

Seeing as her children didn’t attend their brother’s memorial, I would venture to guess that she has no regrets, and would double down on her actions. 

[Absolom]

Guess who I find first or second scary or unsafe in all the family?  Robyn, of course. She can't be trusted in or with anything. Kody makes few bones about being a total jerk.

Edited March 27, 2024 by Absolom

[surfgirl]

23 minutes ago, SDVegas said:

Seeing as her children didn’t attend their brother’s memorial, I would venture to guess that she has no regrets, and would double down on her actions. 

Her kids didn't attend the funeral/memorial?!?

[Tuxcat]

25 minutes ago, RoxiP said:

Why would Janelle want to sit next to Kody?  If I were here I would have gone off on him because I would have thought that his actions had a direct effect on his children and now they are dealing with one of the consequences.  Janelle is a much more gracious woman that I would ever be.

Agree but lets not forget that Janelle still wanted to enjoy her birthday with her "best friend" - even after he said hateful things on air about her children and didn't call Savanah for Christmas...

Note, I'm not faulting Janelle at all here. She is a grieving mother. I think the larger point is that none of us really know the complexities of these interpersonal relationships.

[Tuxcat]

29 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

Her kids didn't attend the funeral/memorial?!?

two funerals - one private and one via the national guard.

her kids did not appear in the publicly shared photographs on the nevada national guard facebook page... that does not mean they were not there though

[SDVegas]

1 hour ago, surfgirl said:

Her kids didn't attend the funeral/memorial?!?

They apparently did not attend the memorial this week.

It has not been said whether they attended the funeral. I would hope they did, but don’t know. 

[Meow Mix]

I agree that we have no idea who was really there given that some people may have wanted to stay off camera.  I too can understand why Maddie wouldn't be there.  I remember hearing that Caleb travels a lot for work, so he may not have been able to stay home with the kids so she could come.  Also, she went to Christine's wedding and maybe there just isn't money for multiple trips.

Seeing Janelle receiving the flag broke my heart.  I have never seen someone look so broken.  I pray for her and the whole family.  It's going to take a long time for them to find a new normal.  I really hope someone is looking after Gabe as well.  He's got a tough road ahead.

OK, I'm a bad person, but in one of the pictures Kody has his hand on Robyn's knee and is manspreading for all he's worth.  For some reason it just annoyed me.  The least he could do is tone it down for once in his life at an occasion like this.  I also won't read anything into who sat where because except for making sure the family was in the front there probably wasn't any planned seating.  I could see Hunter particularly sticking close to his mother in this situation and just sitting next to her naturally.

[Meow Mix]

Robyn's adult children are adults and hopefully made their own decisions about whether or not to attend the memorial at the armory.  It was on a Sunday, so likely they didn't have conflicts with classes or work.  I know Garrison mentioned missing Dayton in an episode last season and Aurora admitted that Gabe has always been kind to her.  So, I hope they did go and just stayed out of camera range. 

I do wonder how Kody and Robyn are going to handle this going forward.  They are in a kind of a lose lose situation because rightly or wrongly a lot of viewers are going to hold them responsible.  I agree that Kody took it way too far with the things he said about his kids such as calling them a$$holes on national TV.  And Robyn wasn't far behind expressing her anger and resentment over the gift exchange flap that she her caused in the first place.  I just don't know what they can say on camera that isn't going to cause an even bigger firestorm.  So far, their efforts to rehab their image have gone very badly.  I'm not sure even a seasoned crisis manager wants to touch this situation.

[laurakaye]

If Kody and Robyn had even a modicum of sense between them, they would simply disappear from this show because like @Meow Mix said, whatever they do is going to be lose-lose.  And I don't think that I would ever want to hear from them again, knowing how deeply they have hurt and manipulated Kody's non-Robyn kids over the years.  I have to think that whatever is in the can already for this season will be it for the show.  I don't even necessarily need to see "Christine and Janelle: Sister Wives No More!" or whatever we were potentially going to get.  Everyone can just move on, shill more MLM stuff and see how it goes.

Of course, I also think that Kody and Robyn heavily depend on the show's income, which could sway their decision to keep filming.  But the very last thing any of us need to see ever again is Robyn crying, whether or not those tears are real or pretend.  She simply cannot.  No one believed her then, we sure aren't going to believe her now.  

[toodywoody]

Hell no, I don't want to see either one of them and especially her fake crying about Garrison 

[toodywoody]

The devastation on Jenelle's face, with Gabe looking blankly, Logan, Hunter, Michelle, Leon, Aubrey, and Christine's faces all broke my heart. Meanwhile Kidney just made me mad. 

[jschoolgirl]

On 3/26/2024 at 10:13 PM, mythoughtis said:

really wish the photos of the family  had not been published by the National Guard 

Is it usual to do that? I was shocked.

[Denize]

14 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

Is it usual to do that? I was shocked.

Yes, it is the normal way that they remember fallen soldiers so that those not able to attend can pay their respects.

[LilyD]

On 3/27/2024 at 9:38 PM, RoxiP said:

Why would Janelle want to sit next to Kody?  If I were here I would have gone off on him because I would have thought that his actions had a direct effect on his children and now they are dealing with one of the consequences.  Janelle is a much more gracious woman that I would ever be.

We have no way of knowing what Garrison was thinking. His dad’s behaviour may have played a big role, but I doubt it was the only reason.

He seemed to have indicated that the tv show also took its toll on him, and that too was not just on Kody but on all the adults and TLC who loved the drama that was so easily given to them. And who knows what other troubling thoughts occurred to him and for how long? 

A suicide is complex and contrary to popular belief, very hard to prevent. Kody is a despicable human being who made some horrible and unforgivable mistakes. Yet, I don’t think it is fair to put the blame (solely)on him, or assume that Janelle feels like that. 

[Misslindsey]

I thought I saw Caleb in one of the pictures towards the end of a row that was either in the same row as Gabe and Logan or one behind them. In one of the pictures that shows Christine there is a woman above her head holding a child, I thought that may have been Maddie. I saw someone on social media in a comment section that said Maddie addressed it on one of her, I am assuming, instagram lives. I think the comment mentioned her being next to or near Savannah or Ysabel.

I cannot remember if it was last season or the season before, but I thought that either Gabe or Garrison said they missed Dayton. So I am more surprised that he did not show up for it. 

Edited March 29, 2024 by Misslindsey

[Soapy Goddess]

On 3/28/2024 at 6:56 PM, LilyD said:

We have no way of knowing what Garrison was thinking. His dad’s behaviour may have played a big role, but I doubt it was the only reason.

He seemed to have indicated that the tv show also took its toll on him, and that too was not just on Kody but on all the adults and TLC who loved the drama that was so easily given to them. And who knows what other troubling thoughts occurred to him and for how long? 

A suicide is complex and contrary to popular belief, very hard to prevent. Kody is a despicable human being who made some horrible and unforgivable mistakes. Yet, I don’t think it is fair to put the blame (solely)on him, or assume that Janelle feels like that. 

Agree suicide is complex, but the mere fact that Kody played ANY role probably pushed G over the top. If Kody wasn't such an ass, and still had a decent relationship with G, perhaps G could have gone to his father and talked out his feelings man-to-man. Yes, G had his brothers, but it's not the same as talking to your father and asking for help. Unfortunately, G couldn't do that...and nothing stings more than abandonment.

Edited March 30, 2024 by Soapy Goddess

[Soapy Goddess]

On 3/27/2024 at 5:42 PM, Meow Mix said:

So, I hope they did go and just stayed out of camera range. 

I would like to think so too, but I'd bet they didn't go because otherwise they would be front & center, just like their mother.

[mythoughtis]

I’m definitely not a Kody fan - however: 

I‘m not going to blame any family member for the suicide.  Suicide occurs even in the most supportive families. Maddie has made comments that Garrison’s biggest concerns had to do with social media and him feeling ‘less than’ in comparison to others.  

[AZChristian]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I would like to think so too, but I'd bet they didn't go because otherwise they would be front & center, just like their mother.

Wasn't it Robyn who commented in an episode that the younger kids don't even know their siblings?  No sense in taking them to a gathering which will be full of emotional people they don't know. 

And I agree - if they were there, at least one of them would be front and center.  As she seems to be whenever there's a camera at their house.

[Tuxcat]

4 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I’m definitely not a Kody fan - however: 

I‘m not going to blame any family member for the suicide.  Suicide occurs even in the most supportive families. Maddie has made comments that Garrison’s biggest concerns had to do with social media and him feeling ‘less than’ in comparison to others.  

And I think people also fail to understand the role alcohol could have played. Such a dangerous drug for a great many people and his family and friends said he had been struggling with it.  It changes you and alcohol as a variable can change so many personal and family dynamics. While Kody is no doubt an a** for saying awful things on tv, we have very little real insight into the complexity of his relationship with Garrison.

 

[RoxiP]

On 3/27/2024 at 4:06 PM, Tuxcat said:

Agree but lets not forget that Janelle still wanted to enjoy her birthday with her "best friend" - even after he said hateful things on air about her children and didn't call Savanah for Christmas...

Note, I'm not faulting Janelle at all here. She is a grieving mother. I think the larger point is that none of us really know the complexities of these interpersonal relationships.

Oh most definitely true...the ins and outs of these relationships have baffled me for years.

[ladyscorpio]

On 3/27/2024 at 6:30 PM, Meow Mix said:

I agree that we have no idea who was really there given that some people may have wanted to stay off camera.  I too can understand why Maddie wouldn't be there.  I remember hearing that Caleb travels a lot for work, so he may not have been able to stay home with the kids so she could come.  Also, she went to Christine's wedding and maybe there just isn't money for multiple trips.

Seeing Janelle receiving the flag broke my heart.  I have never seen someone look so broken.  I pray for her and the whole family.  It's going to take a long time for them to find a new normal.  I really hope someone is looking after Gabe as well.  He's got a tough road ahead.

OK, I'm a bad person, but in one of the pictures Kody has his hand on Robyn's knee and is manspreading for all he's worth.  For some reason it just annoyed me.  The least he could do is tone it down for once in his life at an occasion like this.  I also won't read anything into who sat where because except for making sure the family was in the front there probably wasn't any planned seating.  I could see Hunter particularly sticking close to his mother in this situation and just sitting next to her naturally.

You're not a bad person, I feel the same way. Alot of people feel this way and are upset about the way Kody and Robyn treated Garrison and Gabe, actually all of his children except Robyn's. It annoyed the hell out of me too, and to see Robyn sitting in the front row. 

 

[Sandy W]

7 hours ago, AZChristian said:

Wasn't it Robyn who commented in an episode that the younger kids don't even know their siblings?  No sense in taking them to a gathering which will be full of emotional people they don't know. 

And I agree - if they were there, at least one of them would be front and center.  As she seems to be whenever there's a camera at their house.

They could have left "the tenders" with the nanny. No reason for the older 3 not to be there ...if they were not.

[Denize]

Paedon's hair at the NV memorial service was an interesting choice, like fundamentalist girls' swoop bangs above the forehead. Was he trying to look an extra inch taller?  Garrison would have got a kick out of that.

Edited March 29, 2024 by Denize

[zenme]

Alcohol is a depressant, and could’ve played a role in what happened that night. Being in a depressed state and then adding alcohol…then having very easy access to a firearm…What a combination. My heart goes out to him. 

[Yeah No]

7 hours ago, zenme said:

Alcohol is a depressant, and could’ve played a role in what happened that night. Being in a depressed state and then adding alcohol…then having very easy access to a firearm…What a combination. My heart goes out to him. 

So true.  This is often the combination present for suicide, murder/suicide and other unthinkable tragedies we hear on the news on an almost daily basis these days.  It made me think of the man that shot and killed two police officers in CT in 2022 while in just such a state.  After hearing the story it seemed like something he'd never have done if those factors were not present in that combination.  I am not suggesting that Garrison would ever have been capable of violence against others in that state.  I think that depends on the person.  He was a decent person who was more likely to blame himself for perceived failures and take it out on himself. 

I also think that a lot of young people today become paranoid that people don't like them enough thanks to social media.  And as a result their self images are too dependent on what they think the world thinks of them and how well they are liked compared to others they see online.  Add being in the public eye more than the average person thanks to the show and Garrison was unable to get away from that.  I am grateful that I didn't have social media when I was young because I know it would not have been good for me to be constantly comparing myself to others and worrying about what they were thinking of me.  At least back then you could go home and not focus on what the public thinks of you but today social media makes it almost impossible to get away from that.

[Rabbit Hutch]

I just loved that the National Guard held  a memorial service for Garrison.  HATED that Robyn was on the front row.  😠  She should've waited in the car.  Or better yet, not shown up at all.

Just when I think I can't LOATHE that woman more, she goes further down that black hole.

Edited March 30, 2024 by Rabbit Hutch
edited for appropriate terminology.

[Liddy52]

2 hours ago, Rabbit Hutch said:

I just loved that the National Guard held  a memorial service for Garrison.  HATED that Robyn was on the front row.  😠  She should've waited in the car.  Or better yet, not shown up at all.

Just when I think I can't LOATHE that woman more, she goes further down that black hole.

I don't like Robyn very much either, but if she hadn't shown up, people would be complaining that she failed to show respect for Jenelle, Garrison and the others. I do agree that she might could have found a seat that was not front and center, but it might have just happened that way, as others have said . Also as Garrison 's father, Kody would be on the front row and as his wife, she would probably sit with him. This is the same situation lots of divorced couples face at family weddings and funerals. Robyn has demonstrated some really vile behavior on the show, assuming she is not getting a terrible edit. However in this situation, I don't know that there is a seating solution that is going to please everyone.  Perhaps sitting in the second row with her grown children might have been better, but I doubt Kody would have accepted that. 

 

[Rabbit Hutch]

1 hour ago, Liddy52 said:

I don't like Robyn very much either, but if she hadn't shown up, people would be complaining that she failed to show respect for Jenelle, Garrison and the others. I do agree that she might could have found a seat that was not front and center, but it might have just happened that way, as others have said . Also as Garrison 's father, Kody would be on the front row and as his wife, she would probably sit with him. This is the same situation lots of divorced couples face at family weddings and funerals. Robyn has demonstrated some really vile behavior on the show, assuming she is not getting a terrible edit. However in this situation, I don't know that there is a seating solution that is going to please everyone.  Perhaps sitting in the second row with her grown children might have been better, but I doubt Kody would have accepted that. 

 

I see your point and time will tell, but I still think she should've stayed her butt home.  Throughout the years she has shown little respect to this family, the wives, and the children, either singularly or as a group.  Why worry now? 

As for Kootie, surely he can sit for an hour or so by himself, surrounded by the rest of his family members?  He is in his 50s, right?  Or maybe showing his love for Robyn by groping her knee was just the right kind of support he needed during his son's memorial. 

Gah, I despise this couple.

Edited March 30, 2024 by Rabbit Hutch

[ginger90]

A post by Janelle on Instagram:

[precious pupp]

6 hours ago, Yeah No said:

So true.  This is often the combination present for suicide, murder/suicide and other unthinkable tragedies we hear on the news on an almost daily basis these days.  It made me think of the man that shot and killed two police officers in CT in 2022 while in just such a state.  After hearing the story it seemed like something he'd never have done if those factors were not present in that combination.  I am not suggesting that Garrison would ever have been capable of violence against others in that state.  I think that depends on the person.  He was a decent person who was more likely to blame himself for perceived failures and take it out on himself. 

I also think that a lot of young people today become paranoid that people don't like them enough thanks to social media.  And as a result their self images are too dependent on what they think the world thinks of them and how well they are liked compared to others they see online.  Add being in the public eye more than the average person thanks to the show and Garrison was unable to get away from that.  I am grateful that I didn't have social media when I was young because I know it would not have been good for me to be constantly comparing myself to others and worrying about what they were thinking of me.  At least back then you could go home and not focus on what the public thinks of you but today social media makes it almost impossible to get away from that.

Great post.  I too am glad to have grown up without the social media beast.  I'm sure my self-esteem would have been worse than it was.

[Liddy52]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

A post by Janelle on Instagram:

Bless her heart. I do understand that they put their life out on television and Social Media for the world to see. But I do think that a time of such grief for a family is a time that we can show grace and hold back on the snarky comments.  There are plenty of other opportunities and piling on now doesn't benefit anyone. Just my thoughts, you may not agree.

 

[LilyD]

On 3/28/2024 at 1:42 AM, Meow Mix said:

Robyn's adult children are adults and hopefully made their own decisions about whether or not to attend the memorial at the armory. 

I think we’ve seen enough to know that these are “adults” under the influence of a dominant mom. I mean, a 20-year-old that had to be held and comforted to have her ears pierced?? I won’t mention any more examples…

On 3/29/2024 at 10:15 PM, Sandy W said:

They could have left "the tenders" with the nanny. No reason for the older 3 not to be there ...if they were not.

Assuming they were not there: Sol seems a very sweet and sensitive boy but shielding him from such situations will potentially do more harm than good. And the same goes for 8-year-old Ari. Garrison was their (half) sibling.  Sol is 13… he is not a little child anymore. 

In my book (and where I’m from)there is literally no excuse for excluding kids that age from memorial services of close relatives. (Unless, of course there is a serious medical or mental issue that has to be taken into consideration)

[Absolom]

Personally I never comment on the social media of the people I watch or read about. It would make me feel stalkerish or invasive. I may just be sensitive but especially with Janelle, I couldn't.

[Tuxcat]

30 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Personally I never comment on the social media of the people I watch or read about. It would make me feel stalkerish or invasive. I may just be sensitive but especially with Janelle, I couldn't.

I agree. But of course the tabloids and "creators" are dissecting everything to keep the flames going. And the extraordinarly, very sad thing about all of this is that the chatter actually boosts their engagement in a terrible feedback loop. Thats why I like our little private primetimer spot best!

I have not read a lot of criticism/snark regarding Janelle. I have seen lots out there against Christine and Meri for not "grieving appropriately." I have seen most about Kody/Robyn being blamed et cetera and people on their page asking about seating. I think its fine to talk about here - somewhat privately -  but directly with them seems a bit much. It's not like the family will answer and in my opinion they should be left alone.

Janelle seems to be saying that the family is united and together. Meri said something similar yesterday and called out people who are blaming Kody for this tragedy.

That is the right call and I totally agree that this family should be allowed to grieve and process how they choose, when they choose...

Still, I guess the larger question is - when a family chooses to highlight certain drama and exploits their division, infighting and estrangment - are we all supposed to not discuss the obvious questions stemming from that narrative in light of such a terrible tragedy?

I don't know.

[LilyD]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

At least back then you could go home and not focus on what the public thinks of you but today social media makes it almost impossible to get away from that.

And even if you do manage to get away from it: SM posts will never ever truly disappear once it’s been put in the open. It will always come back to haunt you, especially when you’re least expecting it… and then it starts all over again!

[Rabbit Hutch]

I do have an issue with placing the blame completely on Kootie, even though I do believe he's a first class narcissist and that he in general deserves as much grief as he gets from both his loathing and loathsome (to him), public.

As we all know, suicide can initiate from  neurological, biological, emotional, and environmental issues. Since I don't know the state of these areas within Garrison when he passed I'd be hard-pressed to place blame 100% on Kootie, on Garrison, or on anyone. I've had friends who've dealt with debilitating depression, and bless their hearts, it was hard work for them.  Meds do help sometimes, also therapy too, but at other times nothing will.

[Orcinus orca]

15 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

That is the right call and I totally agree that this family should be allowed to grieve and process how they choose, when they choose...

Unfortunately this is TLC ratings gold.  And Kootie and Sobbyn need the $$$ so I can imagine some of this horror becoming part of the narrative on the show.

If it is meant to educate people on depression and suicide I might give it a pass.  But TLC uses every single gruesome tactic for ratings because that's what the public wants to see. Think of people slowing down to view an accident scene. It's a sad world in which we live.

[LilyD]

I think this places TLC in a very difficult position: It’s either going to be gold with all the extra attention, or it’s going to create an immense backlash. My bet is on the latter.

TLC wants drama, people want to see drama but that only goes that far… The Willis family and Duggars were cancelled because of sexual abuse. And now we have a family dealing with suicide and there are indications that the filming and possibly Kody and Robyn’s behaviour* played a part. TLC cannot be associated with that so I’m expecting a rather abrupt cancellation.

*whether or not they did play a role in this: they’re guilty by default through their appalling behaviour toward the other kids over the years. The general public is just not going to accept their innocence, even if proven. People want a scape goat. I absolutely despise Kody but feel for him in this respect. He’s lost a son and will have to deal with this on top of it. 

 

[Irate Panda]

I wasn’t really sure where to put this question and I hope it doesn’t come across as rude, but in a Mormon sense, since I guess Garrison was practicing, how does Mormonism treat single people after they die? Does Garrison get his own planet even though he wasn’t married or would one of Garrison’s grandparents call him to their planet instead? 

[LilyD]

1 hour ago, Irate Panda said:

I wasn’t really sure where to put this question and I hope it doesn’t come across as rude, but in a Mormon sense, since I guess Garrison was practicing, how does Mormonism treat single people after they die? Does Garrison get his own planet even though he wasn’t married or would one of Garrison’s grandparents call him to their planet instead? 

Wasn’t it Garrison who converted to the LDS church? I seem to remember that one of the boys joined the LDS and that there were several pictures of him in a white shirt for his baptism?

I found it rather interesting at the time as both Maddie and Mykelti explored that path years back, but neither were accepted for being part of the (in)famous Brown family….

I don’t know much about LDS other than that they believe that your soul/spirit lives on after death, and how depends on how you lived. The whole “planet-thing” seems a Brown (or maybe an AUB) thing.

[Irate Panda]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

Wasn’t it Garrison who converted to the LDS church? I seem to remember that one of the boys joined the LDS and that there were several pictures of him in a white shirt for his baptism?

I found it rather interesting at the time as both Maddie and Mykelti explored that path years back, but neither were accepted for being part of the (in)famous Brown family….

I don’t know much about LDS other than that they believe that your soul/spirit lives on after death, and how depends on how you lived. The whole “planet-thing” seems a Brown (or maybe an AUB) thing.

Yes, Garrison was shown in photos of a baptism I think of his friend.  I had thought Garrison was or at some point as an adult was practicing what I thought was LDS. 

Maybe Garrison was accepted into LDS because at the time he wasn’t featured on the show??    My timelines are not particularly good because the show is so far behind and I had stopped watching the last couple of seasons.

Im not really that familiar what the Browns thought about the religion because it seemed to jump around.  Either way I hope Garrison is at peace, but just wondered because I always remember Kody and “his planet”.  

[ginger90]

9 minutes ago, Irate Panda said:

Yes, Garrison was shown in photos of a baptism I think of his friend.

The picture was from Garrison’s baptism. Garrison’s friend in the picture is the person who baptized Garrison.

[jschoolgirl]

5 hours ago, LilyD said:

The whole “planet-thing” seems a Brown (or maybe an AUB) thing.

It is a Mormon thing, but not discussed much outside of the faith and deemphasized in recent decades within the faith.

[Elizzikra]

22 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

It is a Mormon thing, but not discussed much outside of the faith and deemphasized in recent decades within the faith.

I hope that Janelle's beliefs about where Garrison is in his afterlife bring her comfort during this difficult time. 

Edited April 1, 2024 by Elizzikra