Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[endure]

On 10/11/2024 at 6:06 PM, mythoughtis said:

Regardless of when the scene was filmed, it did nothing to redeem Kody as far as I was concerned.  If it was filmed this year, then he didn’t learn anything from tragedy- and it makes him look even worse   As far as Robyn , she made sense - but that doesn’t redeem her in my eyes for all the harm she has caused. 

There is no redemption for Kody imo, he continues to be the victim in all this yet there's still no effort on his part to accept what he did to destroy his large family.  My TV box had recently recorded the first two seasons.  I just watched the first episode out of curiosity.  I was shocked to realize Robyn was introduced in the first episode, that wasn't my memory of when she arrived.  Their selfish love damaged the lives of so many.  Yet he cries for sympathy for loving only one wife and she cries because she wants to sit on the porch with her sister wives, how bizarre they even continue to show their faces.

[Meow Mix]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I didn't notice Garrison in any of the older family footage either unless I missed him. They probably had to go back and edit that footage to eliminate him anyway so the "something insensitive", might have just been a scene with him in it. 

I would hope they asked Janelle how she wanted to handle Garrison's presence on the show going forward, but that may be giving the producers too much credit.  I just can't wrap my head around a father who after losing a child like this thinks that the best thing to do is film a ridiculous soap opera scene to try and make he and his favorite wife look like the victims.  How does someone even get to that point?

[OldWiseOne]

17 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

This is a really good theory.  There were SO many things that seemed off about that scene.  First of all, the scene followed the statement saying Kody & Robyn had a blowout fight, and Kody left the house.  But then when he returned, they didn’t seem angry with one another.  Then so much of Robyn’s speech seemed rehearsed, and, as so many have pointed out, out of nowhere.  Since when has Robyn cared about Kody’s relationship with the OG kids?  Then when they were done, they were practically holding hands as they merrily finished the scene.

I really think it was orchestrated by K&R and the producers to further a narrative or somehow fix their reputations.  Which is ridiculous and manipulative if true, and even more so if it was filmed after Garrison’s passing.

What a COINCIDENCE that the crew happened to be there filming on a day that Robyn and Kody had a huge fight, and were fortunate enough to arrive just before the aftermath and reconciliation. 

[Shelbie]

1 hour ago, endure said:

she cries because she wants to sit on the porch with her sister wives

Robyn only cries because she thought she had the whole family wrapped around her little finger. I don’t think it ever occurred to her that the first three wives would ever leave and she believed she could swan around being the favourite wife and issue commands on how everyone else had to behave in order to have minutes of Kody’s time.
Jokes on her , the original wives don’t care about seeing him or listening to her anymore.

[Absolom]

Ariella looks more like Robyn every year. 

[precious pupp]

I think Ari looks like Robyn's mother.  Breanna looks more like Robyn, IMO.

[General Days]

 

On 10/11/2024 at 5:21 PM, AZChristian said:

Garrison died in March.  There was measurable snow in Flagstaff in April.  It is not impossible for Robyn and Kody to have recorded their outside talk in Episode 4 of this season a month or so after Garrison's death, and then convinced production (always looking for an interesting plot line) to insert it in this episode.  This could have the result of having people think that Kody was softening in his resolve (at Robyn's recommendation) and trying to make amends with his older kids.

I just want to note, Kody and Robyn didn't film that scene. Look at it. The camera moves from Kody to Robyn and back again. It's professionally shot. I mention that, because if it was all a contrivance to make Kody and Robyn look less bad, production was fully in on that contrivance.

On 10/13/2024 at 1:29 AM, Yeah No said:

I wouldn't put it past TLC to agree to film new segments to whitewash their image. It's typical "reality show" stuff. I like your theory that it was to replace something that would be too insensitive to air since Garrison's death and they used it as an opportunity to rewrite history.

Yup.

23 hours ago, precious pupp said:

I think Ari looks like Robyn's mother.  Breanna looks more like Robyn, IMO.

I think Ari looks like Kody's mother. 

Edited October 14 by General Days
Removed quote of post I didn't mean to quote

[Absolom]

49 minutes ago, General Days said:

I just want to note, Kody and Robyn didn't film that scene. Look at it. The camera moves from Kody to Robyn and back again. It's professionally shot. I mention that, because if it was all a contrivance to make Kody and Robyn look less bad, production was fully in on that contrivance.

It's more unreality being served to the viewers by TLC.  They probably need to keep people from absolutely despising Kody and Robyn to the point of being so disgusted by them that they quit watching.

[goofygirl]

I've noticed  since Garrison's death, that the pictures of the family they show are without him in them at all.  It's like they're trying to disappear him or something.   Weird.

I LOL'd at the Douchecanoe saying to the camera last night "It's YOUR fault I didn't love you!" about Meri.  He also seemed to say that when he DOES love a woman, that it's HER fault he loves her.  So there ya go.  He has NO responsibility for his own ridiculous thoughts and actions.  He's a hopeless fool.  Can't say I'm sorry that Sobbyn has him all to herself these days!

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, goofygirl said:

I've noticed  since Garrison's death, that the pictures of the family they show are without him in them at all.  It's like they're trying to disappear him or something.   Weird.

I think he has been in pictures, unless I dreamt that.

I’m thinking there was a request made that he not be shown in any filmed scenes, if he was in any, since the airing dates are after his passing.

[BAForever]

5 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I think he has been in pictures, unless I dreamt that.

I’m thinking there was a request made that he not be shown in any filmed scenes, if he was in any, since the airing dates are after his passing.

That's the way I think too @ginger90. I think I've seen him once or twice in group pictures, but not in filming. Praying TLC honored family requests. The BSOJ at the beginning of premiere gave me hope of that. 

[General Days]

What does "BSOJ" stand for, @BAForever?

[BAForever]

14 minutes ago, General Days said:

What does "BSOJ" stand for, @BAForever?

It's an old acronym for the  "Black Screen of Justice" which gives updates- I think I first heard it on Television Without Pity. Always needed it for episodes of Intervention. 

[mythoughtis]

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

[General Days]

Thanks, @BAForever.

 

10 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

 

Generally speaking, the production has always tried to respect the Browns as humans and as a family. This hasn't really been a Let's Get Our Subjects In The Most Humiliating Situations Possible kind of reality show. 

I fully expect that if they had footage of Garrison and the Browns asked them not to use it, that they would comply. I'm sure the producers and crew were heartbroken at Garrison's passing. They've known him, in person, since he was a little boy. 

[BAForever]

12 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

Agree that members of the crew were probably deeply saddened with the news. Calling possible shenanigans on the Garrison sighting in tv reflection. Saw the photo somewhere, might be some good photos hopefully or other digital manipulation. I can see someone doing that for the publicity. 

[AZChristian]

3 hours ago, BAForever said:

Saw the photo somewhere, might be some good photos hopefully or other digital manipulation. I can see someone doing that for the publicity. 

I looked it up as well.  Looks too "perfect" to be real.  I'm sensing Photoshop or other digital editing program.

ETA:

Folks, I am correcting myself.  I was curious enough to go to the source and viewed the actual episode using On Demand.  That reflection is real, and even clearer on the TV screen than the online picture I saw on another site.  Wow.  

Edited October 22 by AZChristian
Revising my comment after research.

[BAForever]

6 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I looked it up as well.  Looks too "perfect" to be real.  I'm sensing Photoshop or other digital editing program.

ETA:

Folks, I am correcting myself.  I was curious enough to go to the source and viewed the actual episode using On Demand.  That reflection is real, and even clearer on the TV screen than the online picture I saw on another site.  Wow.  

@AZChristian- you and @ginger90 are my  heroes. You are amazing sleuths. I was surprised and saddened by your finding. I think TLC has done a good job honoring Garrison's memory.

[taragel]

i wonder why this is the season where they're finally going to fast forward and catch up to reality (Janelle has said as much in interviews, that you'll see the whole Taeda Farms saga on this season's run and I believe I read Garrison's passing will be addressed). I assumed it was because it was maybe too difficult to not explain/reference what happened to Garrison for another two years (or whatever the lag would normally be) but if they aren't mentioning him anyway and cutting him out of shots that he could or would've been in since they're all supposedly from back in 2022...? I don't know. Do you think this could be the end of Sister Wives? Supposedly the main Puddle Monkey producer has also left the show. I imagine the ratings are actually quite good and am not sure why they'd wrap it up now...even if the premise/central conceit is no longer valid.

[LilyD]

Maybe because they have had too much publicity over the past few years through social media and other sources? (The multiple "divorces", Garrison's death, several kids finally opening up, Christine spilling all the beans on SM)

Even people who are less committed to the show know about these things, making the "reality" aspect of the show less convincing if they don't catch up.

And I do think this is the beginning of the end. There are no more sister wives, there's no polygamy, kids have distanced themselves. What's left is 1 unhappy couple and 3 middle aged women trying to build a new life. A spin off might be in the cards, though I'm not sure I'd watch that. 

 

 

[ginger90]

 Robyn and Kody bought a freaking house for $2,100,000. and they financed $1.68 million of it. 

Edited October 25 by ginger90

[Salacious Kitty]

I posted about it in Christine's thread since  this definitely affects her child support case. 

[ginger90]

Putting the description in a spoiler because it’s freaking long!

Spoiler

Overview

Welcome to this magnificent & spacious estate that provides a unique opportunity to own a luxurious & versatile move-in ready property which boasts significant upgrades, many of which can be controlled from a smartphone. Located in a heavily treed area with views of Mt Elden, the current property setting harmoniously blends natural beauty, privacy & convenience. There is a combined total of 7,784 sq feet of living space w/ A/C, 6 bedrooms, 6.5 bathrooms, space for 7 cars + an RV between the main house(5,596 s/f), guest house (2,288s/f) & detached RV garage (2,200 s/f). RV garage has an additional 1/2 bath & space for a workshop area. No expense was spared to make this property perfect & accessible for part-time or full-time residents alike! The main house includes 4 bedrooms 4.5 bath, 3 fireplaces, a 5th room that can serve as an office or bedroom, a formal living area as well as an upstairs entertainment area, formal dining, tongue & groove ceilings, elegant staircase w/ gorgeous wrought iron railings & tiled risers that lead to a beautiful cat-walk & loft overlooking the formal living room area. The main level primary bedroom includes a romantic remote controlled fireplace, double sinks, jetted tub, tiled shower & generously sized walk-in double closets. The kitchen is perfect for entertaining w/ 2 islands, 2 ovens, 2 dishwashers, Sub-Zero refrigerator & freezer, plenty of storage, walk-in pantry & granite counters. The guest house has an upstairs apartment with bedroom, TV/living room area & full bathroom. The downstairs consists of a full kitchen with dining area, 2nd full bathroom & impressive game room with custom epoxy floor, plus an additional room that could be used as a theatre room or entertainment area. The climate controlled (heat+A/C) RV garage holds 4+ cars, has a pull thru RV section, tons of storage in the accessible upstairs attic, a half bath plumbed for a shower, tankless water heater & plumbing hook-up for dog wash. This truly special home is positioned on 2.56 acres w/ a tastefully landscaped front entrance, fenced backyard, oversized 3 car garage w/ built in custom cabinets, gorgeous paver patio, tranquil pond with a large custom waterfall, natural gas hook-ups for a grill & fire pit, a paved area hot tub ready. The young at heart will enjoy the zip line, treehouse & tether ball. The AZ trail is just a short distance from the backyard property line allowing for an enjoyable hike to Picture Canyon. Enjoy shopping & restaurants nearby or head to the heart of downtown Flagstaff just 15 min away. Just a few highlights of updates completed by current owners to all buildings on property: Andersen windows, 4 new HVAC units, new roof, tankless water heaters, water softeners and LVP flooring (in main & guest house) ,smart-controlled switches, interior/exterior paint, & gutters/downspouts. The RV garage was completed in 2022, privacy fence areas installed in 2020, backyard fence installed 2023.

 

@Salacious Kitty did you see the description states it has an upstairs attic? I almost died!

[Absolom]

With only two minor children, why do they want this?  They assuredly do not need it.  They need to plan for the adult offspring to launch.  It's by far nicer than what they had though.  Just how much money has Kody basically stolen from the other wives?

Exhibit A in why Christine filed now for child support.

Edited October 25 by Absolom

[AZChristian]

Yeah - that's going to look great in the financial report when they go to court over Truely.  Maybe one of those 4 bedrooms is for her?  (Nah!)  

In happier news, those high ceilings will make room for more of their art "collection."

[ChristmasJones]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

why do they want this? 

Because Sobbyn's life plan is to keep her kids at home for the rest of their lives. Why else buy such a huge home?

[Absolom]

What she's going to get is 2 out of 3 get as far away from her as they can.  I  still want to know where they're getting the money.

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

 Robyn and Kody bought a freaking house for $2,100,000. and they financed $1.68 million of it. 

They put down $420K. They will have 2 mortgages, this one for about 11K/mo and the other is about 10K.  This was pretty sheisty.  Take the cash that they OWE every one of the OG's and could be spent on child support for Truely or Ysabel's surgery.  The new house is in a trust so the OG's can't touch it (allegedly, no idea) but he didn't obey the rules about not spending assets since he is being sued.  R and K are the biggest mother fucking assholes. They sure bled the OG's out of their money to help Robyn live her princess dreams.

[smarty]

What kind of income would Kody and Robyn have to claim they earn in order to qualify for a $1,680,000 mortgage?  That's ignoring the $667,500 mortgage they already have on the house they haven't sold yet.  

[precious pupp]

How do Kody and Robyn sleep at night, having knowingly F**KED 3 devoted women and their children, what they have contributed to this monstrous home and the five Robyn spawn living this large?  Those two flipping assholes have no decency and no moral compass whatsoever.  The greed is ASTOUNDING!

[Elizzikra]

Who the hell approved that loan application???

[Adiba]

It seems as if  Kody is trying to obfuscate the line between family money an his and Robyn’s money. He better be careful about what he claims as mortgage applicationincome vs. what he claims on his tax returns— the IRS may come calling.

[Absolom]

Something like how that other reality show personality ended up in prison?  

[surfgirl]

I hope he goes to prison over this shit. And that his house gets seized ir whatever it's called. I hate this fuckwit and his scammer wife.

[Gramto6]

I'm wondering if he has somehow already sold CP or some sort of under the table swap? Isn't his name on every lot? I wouldn't put something like that past him.

I bet he thinks all  "those people" will flock to his new mansion to worship him..... 🤮  🤮.    And if no,t he'll stand in his driveway and thumb his nose at all of them!!

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

I'm wondering if he has somehow already sold CP or some sort of under the table swap?

Exactly what I said on the other thread. I wouldn't put it past K&R selling CP and justifying it in their mind an FU to the OG3 for daring to leave the "family".

[surfgirl]

6 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Exactly what I said on the other thread. I wouldn't put it past K&R selling CP and justifying it in their mind an FU to the OG3 for daring to leave the "family".

If they did do that? I'd want Sobbyn serving time too. 

[Auntie Freeze]

Senior Perspective on YouTube has a really interesting take on what the hell Kody was trying to achieve in that convo with Meri in the latest ep.

8 hours ago, Adiba said:

It seems as if  Kody is trying to obfuscate the line between family money an his and Robyn’s money. He better be careful about what he claims as mortgage applicationincome vs. what he claims on his tax returns— the IRS may come calling.

If they're not already looking into him, they're slipping. We're getting into Giudice type territory here. 🍿 Another reason Christine's legal move is appropriate.

Edited October 26 by Auntie Freeze

[smarty]

11 hours ago, Adiba said:

It seems as if  Kody is trying to obfuscate the line between family money an his and Robyn’s money. He better be careful about what he claims as mortgage applicationincome vs. what he claims on his tax returns— the IRS may come calling.

If you run one of those online calculators that tells you how much mortgage you can qualify for based on your income, he'd need to have an income of $600,000 a year to qualify for a loan of $1,680,000.  Does it seem likely he and Robyn bring in $600,000 a year?

[Yeah No]

52 minutes ago, smarty said:

If you run one of those online calculators that tells you how much mortgage you can qualify for based on your income, he'd need to have an income of $600,000 a year to qualify for a loan of $1,680,000.  Does it seem likely he and Robyn bring in $600,000 a year?

If he also is paying off mortgages on other properties his income would likely have to be even higher to afford another mortgage outright - but not if he took out a bridge loan to buy the new house on one of the already owned properties such as the old "mansion". I posted this in the other thread - A bridge loan is kind of like an equity loan that you take out on an as-yet unsold property to finance a new one. The understanding is that the already-owned property has to be on the market to be able to do this. Then you can use the equity in the old property to put a down payment on the new one and get a mortgage on it, but the old property is collateral for that and as soon as you sell the old property the bridge loan has to be paid off.

[LilyD]

I’ve done some hypothetical math and thinking, based on some of the numbers we know for sure and what has been mentioned (and may or may not be correct)

We know he bought his old house for 890k. I read above they still have a mortgage of 667k, assuming this is correct and assuming he does manage to sell his house for anything close to the asking price, then he could still end up with 800-900k in profit. (He’d need a bridge loan though)  They’ve apparently done a down payment of 420k, meaning they’d need a new mortgage of approximately 800-900k (2.1 million minus 420k minus 800 or 900k) They could then of course decide to sell (their share of) CP which would lower the necessary amount even more and bring it close to what he has as a mortgage now. So based on the above, he could have pulled it off. 

However…. That’s not taking into account any helocs or other loans they might have. It also doesn’t take into account Christine’s claim for Truely and that Kody was not supposed to sell any assets. I’m also ignoring the origins of the 420k. And lastly, it doesn’t take into account any claims Meri and Janelle have and the money they still owe on CP. I think it’s a bold and very risky move which could either work out perfectly for K&R or be their downfall. 

Edited October 26 by LilyD

[Sasha888]

I have some thoughts and questions about this new house thing that perhaps someone with more knowledge on the law/trusts/real estate/entertainment business than I have can help with. In other words, I'm suspicious about some of these things, but have no real idea if they are possible.

- Are Robyn's over 18 kids paid for their appearances on the show? Could they be contributing financially, and that's why K& R have enough money for this house?

- Is this the reason for the SADKRAB entertainment LLC? So they can monetize the adult kids appearances, and purchase things under this company or a similar trust? While keeping it separate from K & R's personal income, so that it can't be touched by any ex-wives?

- Are the minor children able to "own" anything, like this new house, with their share of SADKRAB money, if they have any? Or are they underage and can't do that?

- If the kids get a show income, and are part of the loan to get this new house, wouldn't that be a lot more income than just K&R alone could come up with? Is this how they got another mortgage while still owing money on the other home that hasn't even sold yet?

I guess you can see what I'm getting at...are they hiding/sheltering money in some way and getting loans by trusting Robyn's adult kids, or even minor kids, to have their names on things. It would allow them to spend/show more income than just the two of them, and possibly keep money/assets away from the OG three by saying "but that's Dayton/Aurora/Breanna's money/house/company", etc.

[Absolom]

I would guess the adult offspring could be paid if they participated.  How many times the last two seasons have Aurora and Breanna had significant talking roles?  Being seen in background I doubt is going to be compensated for any of them.  Mykelti is likely being paid especially since they filmed at her house.  She would get compensation for that, too.  

I wouldn't put any fancy accounting attempt past Kody and Robyn.

Edited October 26 by Absolom

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

It also doesn’t take into account Christine’s claim for Truely and that Kody was not supposed to sell any assets.

This isn’t the case. Standard child support paperwork has that in it, but that is not court ordered and really only applies to divorce/custody/child support cases. No marriage, no divorce.

[LilyD]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

This isn’t the case. Standard child support paperwork has that in it, but that is not court ordered and really only applies to divorce/custody/child support cases. No marriage, no divorce.

Ok, thanks for mentioning this. Like I said in my post, some numbers are facts (e.g. the house price) other info was mentioned out here or somewhere else and may or may not be true. I’m quite sure I read somewhere out here that he was prohibited from selling. But based on your reply, that info was incorrect.

[ginger90]

46 minutes ago, LilyD said:

I’m quite sure I read somewhere out here that he was prohibited from selling.

There are quite a few things being misinterpreted and being “reported”out there. I’ve done it myself with the “he can’t sell the house” stuff. Then I thought that can’t be correct, it’s not joint property with Christine, and no one has access to the actual paperwork in this case to even make that claim.

 

Thank goodness my mind still has light bulb moments. Sometimes I feel like it’s shot!! 
 

Apologies if at one point I posted it here as fact.

Edited October 27 by ginger90

[Gramto6]

All these financial shenanigans are so mind boggling I wonder if even K&R can keep everything straight. I can't believe Kody is the financial wizard here. They must have some "advisor" directing this step by step. It seems too well planned out overall for Kody's brain(?).

My take is Kody (& Robyn) want the biggest/bestest house of all, all the money from everyone, and to be loved and revered by all. Yeah, and what reality are they living in????

Edited October 27 by Gramto6
typo

[surfgirl]

My best guess is that Kotex got some bad advice from some angry manosphere accountanlawyer dude who had to psy his ex wife a fair settlement and now hates all women. And thus is telling Kotex to di this and that to hide as much money as he can so the OG3 can't touch it. Problem is allllll his shit is captured fir posterity on the show, so there a truckload of evidence tjst the OG3 can use. I wish the OG3 would.do a group lawsui,, TBH, and come down on this little prick like.a shit Ron of bricks.

[heatherchandler]

17 hours ago, smarty said:

If you run one of those online calculators that tells you how much mortgage you can qualify for based on your income, he'd need to have an income of $600,000 a year to qualify for a loan of $1,680,000.  Does it seem likely he and Robyn bring in $600,000 a year?

Oh no that’s not true, you can get a million dollar mortgage if you make 200,000-250,000 so 1.6 you need to make like 350,000.  The monthly payment would only be around 10-12,000.

[Yeah No]

35 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Oh no that’s not true, you can get a million dollar mortgage if you make 200,000-250,000 so 1.6 you need to make like 350,000.  The monthly payment would only be around 10-12,000.

Yeah, but isn't that if you only have one mortgage? If they still owned the old "mansion" and CP and still had mortgages on them they might need a higher income unless they put at least one of them on the market and got the bridge loan.

Edited October 27 by Yeah No