S09.E01: Duggars & Mothers

[wanderwoman]

Here's an interesting tidbit on the stoneybrook house. Land/sales records that are public show that Jim Bob's LLC bought the property in 2012 for $95,000. It was first listed at 2.7million. But, in March 2014, right around engagement time, it was reduced by $1.173M for tax purposes. It has been taken off the active market: so, saying the could live in it until a buyer is found seems a little disingenuous. It was assessed for tax purposes as $53,000 in value in 2014. Nice shell game!

[Literata]

 

 

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I'm laughing out loud. He's throwing shade all over Jim-Bob. Good for him. But I can't help thinking that pissing off the Duggars won't help Ben's cause ...

[abseedee]

Here's an interesting tidbit on the stoneybrook house. Land/sales records that are public show that Jim Bob's LLC bought the property in 2012 for $95,000. It was first listed at 2.7million. But, in March 2014, right around engagement time, it was reduced by $1.173M for tax purposes. It has been taken off the active market: so, saying the could live in it until a buyer is found seems a little disingenuous. It was assessed for tax purposes as $53,000 in value in 2014. Nice shell game!

If Boob took it off the market the plan could be that Derick and Jill save up money for a down payment and when they have what is comfortable for them, Boob puts the listing back up for maybe a lower purchase price.  Derick and Jill buys the property and the temporary living arrangement then will become permanent.

[farmgal4]

Here's an interesting tidbit on the stoneybrook house. Land/sales records that are public show that Jim Bob's LLC bought the property in 2012 for $95,000. It was first listed at 2.7million. But, in March 2014, right around engagement time, it was reduced by $1.173M for tax purposes. It has been taken off the active market: so, saying the could live in it until a buyer is found seems a little disingenuous. It was assessed for tax purposes as $53,000 in value in 2014. Nice shell game!

That house appraised at $53,000? Are you kidding me? Jim Boob must be lining the appraiser's pocket.

[Skittl1321]

Since they are part of a religion that holds hands to pray, not being able to hold hands while praying is bizarre.  Talk about being overly pious for the sake of looking better than others!

 

You'd think if it was so bad to have contact, they just wouldn't hold hands to pray.  I once went to Thanksgiving dinner, and then a church Labor Day picnic with friends who are LDS. They all (it may just be here, I don't know if it is a churchwide thing) crossed their arms over their chest (so their hands were almost in their armpits).  Having either held hands in a circle, or grasped your own hands whenever I prayed before, I asked the significance of it. My friend told me "I think it is so the little kids don't fidget".  But it also served the purpose of not allowing young men and women to touch so the Duggars should try it.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Skittl1321

[DangerousMinds]

Something else I noticed in this episode: Jill looks really pretty. I've never thought any of the girls were unattractive, but Jill, to me, was never as striking. In the past year or so, though, she seems to have developed a very soft, pretty look. And she clearly is happy, which helps, too. 

 

I knew I liked Derick during one of the Nepal episodes, when Boob stupidly asked him something like, "What do you think of Jill?" and he looked over at her, clearly besotted, and said, "She's a beautiful girl." I'm sure she had gotten pretty sick of hearing how pretty Jessa is; it's nice that she's getting some attention.

I have to say I disagree - those damn flowers she insists on wearing in her hair make her seem silly and immature, instead of mature and somewhat more sophisticated. Her baby voice and tweeny grammar don't help either.

[BitterApple]

Here's an interesting tidbit on the stoneybrook house. Land/sales records that are public show that Jim Bob's LLC bought the property in 2012 for $95,000. It was first listed at 2.7million. But, in March 2014, right around engagement time, it was reduced by $1.173M for tax purposes. It has been taken off the active market: so, saying the could live in it until a buyer is found seems a little disingenuous. It was assessed for tax purposes as $53,000 in value in 2014. Nice shell game!

How in the hell does a house go from an assessed value of $1.1 mil all the way down to 53k?! With that much land?! I know when banks do assessments for mortgages they lowball the estimate but Boob purchased the house outright for cash. How did he finagle that one?

[xls]

==I thought that was a very strange thing for her to say! They already showed that it was a huge house. What made her think that the newlywed's lovemaking would be so loud, boisterous and public that she couldn't be in the same house?==

 

 

I didn't take it that way.  I took it as Anna recognizing that people who barely knew each other before the wedding, and were not allowed to touch until said wedding, might need some privacy.  They might feel odd about touching each other, kissing each other, or 'doing the deed' with someone else in their home.   I certainly would think twice about it if my sibling, his wife, and their kids were in our house.. and I have been married a lot longer than 1 year. 

 

I agree. Anna at least has some consideration for others, unlike her rude uncouth in-laws.

[Turquoise]

That house appraised at $53,000? Are you kidding me? Jim Boob must be lining the appraiser's pocket.

Assessed for tax purposes and appraised are two different things. I don't know about AR, but when I lived in IL, houses were assessed for taxes at 1/3 the value the county placed on the property. That still makes the house worth far less than a million, but worth more than what Jim Bob paid for it.

[cereality]

Did anyone catch the kid (don't remember which one) who in his Mother's Day greeting said something like -- "can't wait for no. 20, just kidding." Way to hit Michelle where it hurts. All of the MD greetings were forced, as evidenced by the kid (maybe Hannie) who said something like -- she gets us Christmas and birthday presents -- which isn't exactly going out of the way, as most families acknowledge those two days for their kids (if they celebrate Christmas). But that kid took the cake.

[DangerousMinds]

Except brown nosing Jill, who stated that she hoped to be just like J'chelle someday.

[leighroda]

Josie was born at only 24 or 25 weeks' gestation and struggled for life for many months, so it would actually be highly unusual for her not to have some developmental delays or problems. Just don't tell Michelle, who continues to insist -- at least to the cameras -- that Josie is "perfect in every way." I was kind of waiting around for some conclusion to the earlier cliffhanger visit to the fertility specialist. Did they ever establish once and for all that this "season of life" is definitely over; does Michelle accept that fact?

I think it was purposely left as a bit of a cliff hanger because perhaps the speculation is part of the "charm" (I use that word loosely) of the show. The doctor basically said while it is still physically possible (as in she has not hit menopause) it was highly unlikely she would naturally have any more kids... Or at least that's how I understood it.

[xls]

Was Mackenzie cowering in Anna's arms because Michelle was nearby, or was she just tired? When they were saying goodbyes. She was looking at something almost fearfully. 

[Lillybee]

That had to be frozen lasagna, right? And the rolls were obviously frozen. So how exactly does that count as cooking? It amuses me that any of these young women would be hoping to impress prospective in-laws merely by managing to heat things up but not burn them. Do these girls learn real cooking? Gardening? Canning? Other skills more in keeping with their philosophy of traditional gender roles and thrifty living? 

 

 

But they would need someone to teach them how to cook, I don't see Mullet going out of her way to do so.

[KittyS]

Except brown nosing Jill, who stated that she hoped to be just like J'chelle someday.

She is such a kiss-ass! I guess it's paying off because she gets the best courtship offer, the first daughter wedding, and the premium real estate. Bin and Jessa will probably get bunk beds in the laundry room!

[GEML]

Another view on the house - the may appraise land and house differently. They do where I live. And a lot of the tax assessment is based on the previous sale price and then what permits have been pulled since. So it's not necessarily out of whack.

[Marigold]

I caught that too! The Duggar boy saying something about number 20. 

Ouch. Dig to Michelle.

And, how flippant about their precious large family.

 

Surprised that his comment made it through edit. 

[farmgal4]

Did anyone catch the kid (don't remember which one) who in his Mother's Day greeting said something like -- "can't wait for no. 20, just kidding." Way to hit Michelle where it hurts. All of the MD greetings were forced, as evidenced by the kid (maybe Hannie) who said something like -- she gets us Christmas and birthday presents -- which isn't exactly going out of the way, as most families acknowledge those two days for their kids (if they celebrate Christmas). But that kid took the cake.

I noticed that too, cereality. Not one of those kids said anything meaningful about Clown Car. I thought that spoke VOLUMES. It should speak volumes to HER, but she's too much of a dumbass to notice or care.

[cereality]

I wonder if Ben is expected to spend his non-sleeping and non-working hours at the TTH, where a herd of kids can keep an eye on him and Jessa and possibly under the guise of the family getting to know him better. Otherwise, how hard is it for Jessa to sneak out of the TTH for hours at a time? I imagine Jana and the other older girls are doing housework or child rearing all day, the older boys are off "working" at JB's odd jobs, and the howlers are doing who knows where. With that many people, who would notice if one was missing for 45 min? She could walk/run up to the warehouse (presuming the path to the warehouse isn't in plain view of the kitchen or something) and sneak in 45 min with her boyfriend -- no need to save the first kiss or anything else for the wedding day.

 

How do these families raise kids so that they are STILL afraid of the parents at age 19?? I get the fear as a child -- probably physical punishment. But as a 19 yr old, it seems like Ben is living with the Duggars because his dad and JB came to an agreement ahead of time and railroaded him with it in an effort to "move the courtship along" (even though it was perfectly fine for Josh and Anna to be many states apart and Jill and Derrick to be international). Okay -- so he's willing to give it a try and goes along, fine. When he got to his 110 degree "guest house" in the warehouse and spent a few days moving the lawn and sitting around awkwardly in the Duggar house in his time "off" with Jessa and a dozen chaperones, I don't understand a parent-child relationship where the 19 yr old "child" wouldn't call home and say -- look I tried it out, and while this girl is fine, this family owns me and will continue to own me for years to come so I'm getting out now and coming home. I don't see too many parents objecting; I mean if a kid was quitting college or something, parents may try to talk him out of it but even then a 19 yr old is an adult and doesn't really need "permission." I don't see why Ben has to deal just because both dads want him to. I realize he has nothing to his name -- but this should be all the more incentive for him to find some resolve to make something of himself -- whether a college grad; an officer worker; an insurance agent; or a construction worker or even a day laborer -- anything so he won't have to rely on JB for food and shelter and thus be pushed around for the rest of his life.

 

AND he and Jessa don't seem in love enough where this is justifiable. I think he just really wants sex, and I'm honestly not even sure what she wants. When sex isn't so new and shiny anymore, then what -- he is stuck with this arrangement for life, and these aren't exactly open minded people who will be open to him finding a path that works for him. It's not like he will be able to say to JB 2 yrs from now that he has decided to take college classes or whatever because JB will surely veto it if it doesn't fit what he wants.

[starfire]

Here's an interesting tidbit on the stoneybrook house. Land/sales records that are public show that Jim Bob's LLC bought the property in 2012 for $95,000. It was first listed at 2.7million. But, in March 2014, right around engagement time, it was reduced by $1.173M for tax purposes. It has been taken off the active market: so, saying the could live in it until a buyer is found seems a little disingenuous. It was assessed for tax purposes as $53,000 in value in 2014. Nice shell game!

 

 

There is a 20+ acre property, zoned commercial, with the exact same address as Jim Bob's Stoney Brook house, that is currently on the active market for $1.53 million.  It doesn't appear Jim Bob (or the Duggar Trust) owns the 20+ acre property being sold for $1.53 million. The listings say it is bank-owned. I think maybe at one time the house was part of that land and Jim Bob sold most the acreage.

 

If you check the Bentonville County assessor web site, the Stoney Brook house property is just over an acre and is the only property the Duggar Trust owns in Rogers. John David owns a house/property on the same street, different address.

[Honeycocoa]

It occurs to me that one of the few advantages to Ben  living with the Duggers is that  he will be filmed more. Assuming he is becoming part of the show now ( last Spring) that gives him an income.  I assume TLC has to  negotiate independently with him ( or his dad on his behalf, most likely)  but the "job " they've given him isn't so much "help around the yard" as it is  " join the cast of our show" .  Presumably the kid has no money. If he joins the Dugger dog and pony show early, he can save up a bit before the wedding.

 I wonder if  Jim Bob and Michelle are , in fact,  having doubts about  Ben and Jessa's  relationship. They may see that he doesn't get her humor at all. I wonder if they really are trying to make sure these kids know each other well enough before the wedding.  " cause it seems like the marriage is a done deal and Jim Bob is just waiting for his discount on a prefab house.

 Isn't there a story in the old testament about some one who wants to marry someone's daughter  and the father says  "You must work in my fields for a year first." and then marries him to the wrong daughter...  ( wouldn't that be funny..)

[Sew Sumi]

How in the hell does a house go from an assessed value of $1.1 mil all the way down to 53k?! With that much land?! I know when banks do assessments for mortgages they lowball the estimate but Boob purchased the house outright for cash. How did he finagle that one?

The house is actually held in the Duggar Trust. Maybe this is the land value? Maybe it isn't 20 acres but only one (I read this a few days ago). One acre of unimproved land assessed at $53k sounds about right. And of course, all property is sheltered in the trust. Hell, even my parents did that, and they didn't have anything near the pots of money that the Duggars do.

 

How does this affect Derick and Jill, you may wonder? Despite what Boob may have said about living there until the house is sold, they'll never own that house; neither will anyone else. To sell it would mean it would be taken out of the trust and subject to taxes since no house is being purchased in its place, and the house value would be added to the tax assessment in future years. It's not going anywhere as far as ownership goes. If Derick and Jill (or any of the Duggar kids really) want to own a home, they're not getting it from any of Boob's investments.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Sew Sumi

[abseedee]

Edited

See this note in the announcements...

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/14381-watching-the-detectives-a-note-on-stalkery-posts/

Edited September 8, 2014 by maraleia
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[starfire]

Yup, that's their house.  The $1.53M listing price is for 20.87 acres and I'm assuming the house.  This is the part where I'm confused.  I wasn't sure the meaning of bank owned so I referred to my friend Google and found that it means foreclosure.  The property was in foreclosure before he bought it so I'm wondering why is it still in foreclosure.

 

 

Do you know for sure that when Jim Bob bought the house, it included 20+ acres? The property records don't reflect that Jim Bob owns (or ever owned) the acreage for sale next to the house. He owns just over an acre with the house.  The property records list all the previous owners of properties, and the Duggars aren't listed on that one (the acreage).

[abseedee]

The house is actually held in the Duggar Trust. Maybe this is the land value? Maybe it isn't 20 acres but only one (I read this a few days ago). One acre of unimproved land assessed at $53k sounds about right. And of course, all property is sheltered in the trust. Hell, even my parents did that, and they didn't have anything near the pots of money that the Duggars do.

 

How does this affect Derick and Jill, you may wonder? Despite what Boob may have said about living there until the house is sold, they'll never own that house; neither will anyone else. To sell it would mean it would be taken out of the trust and subject to taxes since no house is being purchased in its place, and the house value would be added to the tax assessment in future years. It's not going anywhere as far as ownership goes. If Derick and Jill (or any of the Duggar kids really) want to own a home, they're not getting it from any of Boob's investments.

I got it in my head that Boob had the house on the market for the $1.5M.  So actually it is not the house but the land around it which is bank owned?

[Absolom]

Addressing why the daughters made a meal from frozen ingredients and bagged salad, my question would be why not?  Michelle kind of dumped preparing the meal on them and perhaps they resented it.  Why shouldn't they take an easy way out of getting a meal on the table since Michelle just issues orders and walks away?  It's probably what I would have done at their ages.

[wanderwoman]

How in the hell does a house go from an assessed value of $1.1 mil all the way down to 53k?! With that much land?! I know when banks do assessments for mortgages they lowball the estimate but Boob purchased the house outright for cash. How did he finagle that one?

How in the hell does a house go from an assessed value of $1.1 mil all the way down to 53k?! With that much land?! I know when banks do assessments for mortgages they lowball the estimate but Boob purchased the house outright for cash. How did he finagle that one?

I don't know how they did that. At first, I thought it was a misprint, but the taxes paid (roughly 2g) are about right for the smaller amount.

[wanderwoman]

It would be all kinds of interesting if the bank still owns any part of that house. Jim Bob has been pretty adamant that they never carry loans or financing on any property. I spent a n hour looking around and calling around and only got a bit more info.

The land is held in trust and Jim Bob's LLC owns the house. The property has a workshop/commercial building on the larger assessed portion making it dual use (commercial and residential). This is no difference than the Arbor Acres home. It appears that all properties bought by Grandma, Jim Bob, Michelle, and possible John David are rolled into a trust. I'm not sure why John David would be included other than as a trustee. They actually own quite a bit of property. More than I would've believed, actually. The current tax bill on the HOME (stony brook) was based on a $53K assessment on the HOME. The land assessed as residential was limited to one acre. The commercial portion is quite a bit larger. This is actually an insanely smart shell game, as commercial tax on the improved workshop WITH the home would be huge! The home was assessed as "unfinished". I'm guessing they, once again- ingeniously, left some portion (basement?) Of the home unimproved. And, a call from one realtor to another confirms that that property is not for sale, although they are keeping the MLS number active for the future. My guess? A small loan payable to the trust was offered to the Dillards. Technically, since they own the trust, they aren't really taking debt on. Think of it like a reverse reverse mortgage on an inheritance. Very clever.

I don't know about the other titles on that address. The best we could decipher is that they may have pieces of the parcel sectioned for different zoning applications. This actually makes sense, since John David may need a physical address for his business and it provides a nice tax shelter.

It went hold be l kinds of interesting if the bank still owns any part of that house. Jim Bob has been pretty adamant that they never carry loans or financing on any property. I spent a n hour looking around and calling around and only got a bit more info.

The land is held in trust and Jim Bob's LLC owns the house. The property has a workshop/commercial building on the larger assessed portion making it dual use (commercial and residential). This is no difference than the Arbor Acres home. It appears that all properties bought by Grandma, Jim Bob, Michelle, and possible John David are rolled into a trust. I'm not sure why John David would be included other than as a trustee. They actually own quite a bit of property. More than I would've believed, actually. The current tax bill on the HOME (stony brook) was based on a $53K assessment on the HOME. The land assessed as residential was limited to one acre. The commercial portion is quite a bit larger. This is actually an insanely smart shell game, as commercial tax on the improved workshop WITH the home would be huge! The home was assessed as "unfinished". I'm guessing they, once again- ingeniously, left some portion (basement?) Of the home unimproved. And, a call from one realtor to another confirms that that property is not for sale, although they are keeping the MLS number active for the future. My guess? A small loan payable to the trust was offered to the Dillards. Technically, since they own the trust, they aren't really taking debt on. Think of it like a reverse reverse mortgage on an inheritance. Very clever.

I don't know about the other titles on that address. The best we could decipher is that they may have pieces of the parcel sectioned for different zoning applications. This actually makes sense, since John David may need a physical address for his business and it provides a nice tax shelter.

Edited September 5, 2014 by wanderwoman

[SpaghettiTuesdays]

I've never been a big fan of Ben, but I felt awful for him in this episode. I feel like he's probably the joke of the family and the Duggars secretly laugh at him behind his back. He's just a young man (I sound like my granny) and is wasting his life pining after Jessa so much that he's falling into a trap. It makes me terribly sad.

I have always loved Josh and Anna's kids. I think Kynzie is so polite and sweet and I'm glad someone's looking after Jordyn. Maybe they bond over the random Ys in their names.

Mother's Day, Shmother's Day. That was awkward beyond belief.

Run, Jana, run!!

Also - don't think I saw JD, Joe, or Josiah at all. Maybe I missed 'em.

[starfire]

Wanderwoman, if Jim Bob (the Duggar Trust) owns the acreage on Stoney Brook (aside from the house on 1.07 acres), how come he isn't (and never was) listed as an owner of that acreage?  Are you saying the Benton County property records are incorrect? (I'm confused, lol)

 

John David's property has a different address, and he is listed as the owner.

[DangerousMinds]

Addressing why the daughters made a meal from frozen ingredients and bagged salad, my question would be why not?  Michelle kind of dumped preparing the meal on them and perhaps they resented it.  Why shouldn't they take an easy way out of getting a meal on the table since Michelle just issues orders and walks away?  It's probably what I would have done at their ages.

If they were trying to make a good impression on their boyfriends and their parents, homemade lasagna is just so much better. But I've always loved making lasagna!

[Iwadre]

Maybe premade food is the way the girls learned how to cook? I know after I moved away from home I was amazed at all the food you could easily make from scratch having grown up on boxed cake mixes for birthdays, frozen veggies, mac n' cheese. A real homemade dinner to them was heating up ground beef for spaghetti sauce from a can.  I'm 30 and still amazed at how simple it is to make most recipes from scratch. I think they just had a horrible teacher! I do understand where they are coming from, but that isn't cooking that is just assembly line work;)

[Dr.Scully]

I'm going to play armchair psychology for a minute.

I couldn't help but notice the phrasing Jana used while cleaning out the tub and talking about the births Jill might have in there. She used the phrase, "her little kids," not babies. I thought that was a very odd phrase for someone who supposedly trained as a Doula and raised by a woman who talks about babies constantly.

She would know Jill wouldn't be having any "little kids" in a bathtub. I wondered if it was a kind of Freudian slip: Jana thinks of them as little kids because that's what she's always been responsible for raising for Michelle- her little kids. Michelle has the babies and then Jana has always been responsible for a half dozen little kids. That's her whole life - little kids.

I don't know if I'm expressing this well at all. It just seemed like a very, I don't know, disconnected phrase to use? I know it jumped out at me so much I rewound and listened again.

[Portia]

 Isn't there a story in the old testament about some one who wants to marry someone's daughter  and the father says  "You must work in my fields for a year first." and then marries him to the wrong daughter...  ( wouldn't that be funny..)

Jacob worked seven years for Rachel, only to be given her less attractive sister, Leah, instead. Jacob worked seven more years and then was given Rachel. 

[ghoulina]

Isn't there a story in the old testament about some one who wants to marry someone's daughter  and the father says  "You must work in my fields for a year first." and then marries him to the wrong daughter...  ( wouldn't that be funny..)

 

Oh my gosh, that would be so funny! I need to look it up, but I think the guy ended up working 7 years? I would love it if Bin ended up running of with Joy Anna and letting her boss him around like she did on the golf cart. 

[Literata]

 

The Duggar boy saying something about number 20.

It looked like Josiah, but I wasn't paying attention; is there a littler one who looks like Josiah?

Edited September 5, 2014 by Literata

[KittyS]

I know the golf cart scene was all in good fun, but I almost felt sorry for Bin as I listened to a presumptuous teen give him orders. Joy Anna is one of my faves, but the way she was talking made it obvious that the Duggars think they're better than Bin, and probably most other people. Everybody acts like he's so lucky he gets to court Jessa and eventually have access to her prized purity. Those two should be at college, going to parties, experimenting and messing around. Instead they're being fast tracked to adulthood and neither of them seem ready.

[Literata]

 

Joy Anna is one of my faves

Mine as well. I can totally (totally!) see her in a traditional high-school setting, playing on the softball team and running for student council. 

[starfire]

I know the golf cart scene was all in good fun, but I almost felt sorry for Bin as I listened to a presumptuous teen give him orders. Joy Anna is one of my faves, but the way she was talking made it obvious that the Duggars think they're better than Bin, and probably most other people. Everybody acts like he's so lucky he gets to court Jessa and eventually have access to her prized purity. Those two should be at college, going to parties, experimenting and messing around. Instead they're being fast tracked to adulthood and neither of them seem ready.

 

That scene cracked me up, though I did feel sorry for Ben. It didn't appear to be too scripted, he genuinely looked miserable listening to her, yet attempted to act positive. He didn't look happy at all when she was pointing out all the work. And then after depressing him with the amount of work, she says something like "by the way, we have a LOT of poison ivy everywhere." LOL

[joanofarch4]

This episode reminded me of what a silly little tweeny girl Jill still is.

Derek: I would like to begin a formal courtship.

Jill: Awesome . . . .Totally! (Said with requisite Valley accent)

Derek: will you marry me?

Jill: Yes, totally!

I also found it a little disturbing that when Derick said some "awesomely" nice things to Jill -- like "I couldn't imagine spending my life with anyone but you" or "I got the best girl in the world; praise God" -- she totally missed the opportunity to say something equally nice back.  I think he got an, "Aw; you're sweet." which is the same dismissive reply Michelle often gives JB after a declaration of devotion.  Maybe there's some reason they think women shouldn't declare their admiration, but only receive it?  Or she's just following Michelle's example.  I have always sensed that JB loves Michelle more than the other way around, but Jill is clearly over the moon for Derick?  He seems mature, articulate, genuinely good, and truly devout; a real prize.  And I think Jill will come along nicely under his influence, as long as they don't allow TLC to bulldoze them.  I assumed in early days they'd be off on a mission overseas, but it now appears not.

 

Bin: no words.  I'm going to watch the rerun tonight just to see the look on his face again when JB proposes that he move in with them.

[Fuzzysox]

Make sure to look carefully at the smerk that Jessa has on her face too as if she was thinking HA your not going anywhere. Does she think he is her big "prize?" She seems to have lust in her heart. They need to ship her off to the Journey of the Heart and forget about Bin and let him go. She is so going to regret it later on that she wasn't allowed to date someone much older and better for her personality.

[joanofarch4]

I think that they probably asked her to film (producers) because they knew that people were going to find out about her condition. If she hadn't been shown, there would be rumors, questions, etc. Around the time of the wedding, there was a lot of discussion about whether or not she would be well enough to attend. They did it as tastefully as reality shows can do, but it allowed viewers to hear directly from her about her actual condition. Viewers also saw that she looks relatively healthy and wasn't on life support or anything like that. While we aren't owed anything by the show, it is the nice thing to do to allow that moment on film.

I hope they didn't ask to film this to score the huge ratings that "The Little Couple" did with the same scenario, but that would be just like TLC...  Derick's mother told Jill's mother, "I plan to spoil her!"  I hope she gets that chance, although she'll still be in the next town if they're planning to live near the Duggars?  I remembered John David getting one of the foreclosures; now to get one of the Bateses!

[joanofarch4]

I caught that too! The Duggar boy saying something about number 20. 

Ouch. Dig to Michelle.

And, how flippant about their precious large family.

 

Surprised that his comment made it through edit. 

I must say, it seems for the first time that, this season, the "lost boys" are showing their individual personalities.

Edited September 5, 2014 by joanofarch4

[joanofarch4]

Jacob worked seven years for Rachel, only to be given her less attractive sister, Leah, instead. Jacob worked seven more years and then was given Rachel. 

This sounds like "Sister Wives," only I don't think anyone could accuse Kody of "working"...

 

JB did make some crack like, "I hope I don't have to fire him."  They likely see how unsuited they are to each other and hope it will "fizzle out," as Joyless Anna said...

 

As for the chaperone, I thought it was Jana at the hospital -- not Jessa?  Maybe Jana was busy scrubbing the future little kids' tub.  And while clearly Jill and Derick could be trusted alone -- it's obvious they both have the self-discipline and religious conviction and WANT to wait -- Jessa and Bin, not so much!  Yet I'm sure JB wouldn't set the precedent of bending the rules so early in the procession of daughters who will one day be courting. 

 

I hope at least one of the Duggars ends up with at least one of the Bateses after all of those episodes together!

Edited September 5, 2014 by joanofarch4

[jodo]

I agree these boys and some girls seem like different people and full of hell, fire and damnation!  Words seem to be flying out of their mouths on the couch, it's like their filters have been sent out to the dry cleaners and let their true feelings roll.  It was very refreshing.  

[truthtalk2014]

I think his brother could care less for the Duggars.

 

 

Yea, did you notice how he said something about them growing on him.  LOL  

[mimionthebeach]

Yea, did you notice how he said something about them growing on him.  LOL  

 

I was thinking like warts... nasty, irritating and can be hard to get rid of.

[mythoughtis]

Does anyone else get annoyed by the way Derick's step-father is being ignored in this episode?  I realize he probably wants to be filmed as little as possible,... but they go out of their way to ignore him.  The script is 'Derick goes to visit his Mom', not 'Derick goes to visit his Mom and step-father'.  Derick skypes his Mom, but doesn't even say Hi (or say to say Hi) to his step-father.  I realize that Derick's Dad died when he was 18, so Ronnie hasn't been around for more than a few years, but it seems disrespectful to me.

 

Does he actively dislike the man?  Or it is fundy rule that step-parents are second class citizens even if the biological parent is dead?  I mean, if Ronnie (Cathy's husband) hadn't encouraged her to go to the doctor, her cancer might have been discovered much later and been harder to cure.

 

If Josh dies, does that mean Anna can't ever get re-married, and has to be a single parent forever?

Edited September 5, 2014 by mythoughtis

[GEML]

I don't think it's means anything more than he chooses not to be on camera and they respect that decision.

[Libby96]

My take on this is that Derick's step-father just wants to stay off camera as much as possible. Remember how he was kind of hiding behind his newspaper in the scene where Derick is talking to his mom while preparing to propose to Jill?

Most Christians take the "until death do us part" of the marriage vows quite literally. Marriage ends at the death of one of the spouses. There would be no problem with Cathy remarrying.

I have a friend from college who died of cancer at age 36. She and her husband were quite conservative Christians (no TV, no Halloween, homeschooling, etc.), and I heard that her widowed husband remarried a couple of years ago.