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[MsJamieDornan]

1 hour ago, Ellee said:

I really think she did it but I have to wonder who else would/could have been involved

The whole story is confusing.

[basiltherat]

There didn't seem to be a lot of blood in the almond grove where they found him.  Did they mentioned if they Luminol-ed it or the car?

The whole follow-the-bouncing-camera of "the person" going to Wal-Mart, Starbucks, getting a cab, etc. seems so overly-involved that I wonder if maybe it was meant to be a smoke screen and some other person was actually murdering Todd while the cameras were following Janae.  Also, did they check with the cab company?

I've just started watching these shows and I am hooked.  Especially after this episode!  And I absolutely love Andrea's wardrobe, just sayin'.

[UsernameFatigue]

2 hours ago, Ellee said:

Did I miss where the police found where Todd Chance was actually shot and killed?  Would Janae have been able to move him to where he was found?   He was a big man.  It didn’t sound as if he was dragged. 
 

I really think she did it but I have to wonder who else would/could have been involved.  

From what I remember, they thought he was killed at the scene where he was found. I think they thought he was killed in the car and I guess  he died instantly as they said there was next to no blood on him. Then Jenea just opened the door and rolled him out of the car. The soles of his shoes were clean, and I believe he was found at the side of the road that ran through the orchard, so there was no work involved to move his body and hide it. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by UsernameFatigue

[UsernameFatigue]

42 minutes ago, basiltherat said:

There didn't seem to be a lot of blood in the almond grove where they found him.  Did they mentioned if they Luminol-ed it or the car?

The whole follow-the-bouncing-camera of "the person" going to Wal-Mart, Starbucks, getting a cab, etc. seems so overly-involved that I wonder if maybe it was meant to be a smoke screen and some other person was actually murdering Todd while the cameras were following Janae.  Also, did they check with the cab company?

I've just started watching these shows and I am hooked.  Especially after this episode!  And I absolutely love Andrea's wardrobe, just sayin'.

I don't think anyone else was involved - the neighbour saw Janea in glasses and a hat leave with Todd in his car. Then a neighbour where the car was found saw a similarly dressed woman leave the car there. From there she was traced via videos to the various businesses where she changed, call a cab, took a cab, etc. 

[Morrigan2575]

Was watching and as soon as the Lawyer said she was near sited and didn't wear glasses I picked up...wait a minute she said in the first hour she didn't have her contacts?!

At first I didn't think it was her but as well got to the second hour I became convinced. 

I always wonder about the kids refusing to believe one parent killed the other. To be honest I think the eldest daughter knew deep down.

[Court]

I have no problem believing she did it. Her insistence that they never had problems was a giveaway. Every marriage fights. No one is perfect. I thought she was too over earnest and had no emotion in her interview. I feel terrible for his parents. You could tell his Dad is still devastated.

[ridethemaverick]

It's been a long time since Dateline surprised me but this one did it. I found the wife completely credible for the first hour or so. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by ridethemaverick

[Cementhead]

8 hours ago, ridethemaverick said:

It's been a long time since Dateline surprised me but this one did it. I found the wife completely credible up for the first hour or so. 

Me, too.  In fact, I fell asleep halfway through and came here yesterday morning to read who the killer was and I was completely gobsmacked to hear it was her.  I did not suspect her at all while watching the first hour before I conked out. 

[Ellee]

I truly hope there was no one else involved in this.  Then — when it happened and now — in the aftermath. 

As was said above Todd’s father is truly hurting.  No doubt about that.  

I didn’t get the same from his daughters.  I understand being torn but they didn’t even seem all that torn.    The mother probably groomed them to believe in her innocence.

 I just didn’t care for their body language or facial expressions.   So very similar to their mother’s in my eyes.  Too similar.  Too, too similar.  

Hope I’m wrong. 

[For Cereals]

Just finished this morning.  She had me convinced, but then the videos.  Who else could’ve done it if he had no other enemies?  But then, what’s the motive?  I mean, yes there were life insurance policies but not huge, not even for Bakersfield.  It’s just odd that a flirtation with his ex would cause that?  I think that the daughter’s reaction to watching the videos even though she changed her mind later was the most telling.  That seemed like true recognition.  Then watching her mom’s gait as she walked into court even after the weight loss.

I still feel like there could be reasonable doubt.  They didn’t go into the crime scene detail that much.  That she could clean up with wipes and were the bullets from his gun?  So many questions...

[Ohmo]

On 11/21/2020 at 1:09 AM, Ashforth said:

I think Jenea was a pretty convincing liar in the first Dateline interview. Not so much in the post-conviction one. "I'm an elementary school principal, which proves that I didn't kill my husband."

Same.  I was struck by that as well.  I really believed her in the first interview---like totally bought what she was saying.  The detective wasn't my favorite either, but I'll give him credit for seeing through her spiel and everything else.  By the second interview, the facade was gone, and I thought she did it.

Again, though, the question that we always ask ourselves in this forum----why not get a divorce, particularly since she had already done that with her previous husband?

[CrazyInAlabama]

My guess is there are a variety of reasons people don't divorce.   Even if they've had a previous divorce, they don't want to lose any more assets, or they want the life insurance payout, or they don't want to be known as someone with two or more divorces.     You also get so much more sympathy and attention as a widow or widower than you do as a divorced person.  

[JudyObscure]

21 hours ago, basiltherat said:

There didn't seem to be a lot of blood in the almond grove where they found him.  Did they mentioned if they Luminol-ed it or the car?

They did, but all they got was one fingerprint of Jenae's on the driver's door and one on the stick shift. I just can't imagine ever having enough wipes to do a bloody car interior. We see crime scenes where a mop and  bucket isn't enough.

Finding out Todd and the nude photos woman were making fun of Jenae was murder motive enough for me.  Playing around is bad enough, but ridiculing the wife with the other woman is a whole different level of betrayal.

I felt so sorry for Jenae when she first said the police had taken away her glasses and she didn't have her contacts, because being in a crisis without my glasses is a constant fear of mine, --   then I saw her prescription on the contact lens order: 3.50 on one eye and 1.75 on the other.  Both of my eyes are 7.5 and I could  drive a familiar area  if I absolutely had to.   She has one eye that's medium bad and the other is in the barely needs correction area.

Did any, "This is Us," fans think Jenae looked like old version Rebecca?

[CraftyHazel]

5 hours ago, Ellee said:

I truly hope there was no one else involved in this.  Then — when it happened and now — in the aftermath. 

As was said above Todd’s father is truly hurting.  No doubt about that.  

I didn’t get the same from his daughters.  I understand being torn but they didn’t even seem all that torn.    The mother probably groomed them to believe in her innocence.

 I just didn’t care for their body language or facial expressions.   So very similar to their mother’s in my eyes.  Too similar.  Too, too similar.  

Hope I’m wrong. 

This!  I didn’t care for any of the daughters, and it bothered me that I wasn’t sure why.  But they didn’t seem to feel anything close to empathy or affection for their grandparents, and they seemed to be so completely dismissive of the case against their mother.  I understand not wanting to believe it, but I don’t know...it just never seemed to be about justice for their dad, but about keeping mom out of jail.

I know it’s been several years since their dad was murdered, and Jenae has had all that time to manipulate them.  His two daughters were quite young when he died...I think the older one was 13?...so I understand the willingness to take their mom’s side.  But it just all feels so wrong.

[filmfan2480]

On 11/22/2020 at 12:19 AM, ridethemaverick said:

It's been a long time since Dateline surprised me but this one did it. I found the wife completely credible for the first hour or so. 

Exactly.  I'm actually sad that she likely did it.  I really liked her the first hour and believed every word she said.  There is still a small part of me that thinks it could have been someone else.  But the damning thing for me was the delivery of contacts one month before the murder, and also her gait (with the flailing left arm).  Aghh.  Loved the episode until it became fairly obvious that it was Jenea.  I feel for Todd's parents and his children.  I do have questions about the investigation, though; as others have mentioned, above.   

Edited November 23, 2020 by filmfan2480

[filmfan2480]

17 hours ago, For Cereals said:

Just finished this morning.  She had me convinced, but then the videos.  Who else could’ve done it if he had no other enemies?  But then, what’s the motive?  I mean, yes there were life insurance policies but not huge, not even for Bakersfield.  It’s just odd that a flirtation with his ex would cause that?  I think that the daughter’s reaction to watching the videos even though she changed her mind later was the most telling.  That seemed like true recognition.  Then watching her mom’s gait as she walked into court even after the weight loss.

I still feel like there could be reasonable doubt.  They didn’t go into the crime scene detail that much.  That she could clean up with wipes and were the bullets from his gun?  So many questions...

I agree with all of this.  I feel like there HAD to be more motive than some life insurance policies (when she was the breadwinner already) and the flirtation on the phone that ended months prior.  You don't kill someone over that.  And by all accounts, Jenea seemed like a completely normal, reasonable, sensible, kind human being to every single person who knew her (family, friends, colleagues -- this behavior would have come out of left field).  There had to be more to their marriage that Dateline/investigators just didn't cover or couldn't uncover.  Also interesting was her not having photos of Todd in her office.  Something else was up that no one talked about.  Odd.

And yes, while I sadly think Jenea did it, there was A LOT of reasonable doubt (heck, it took the jury 8 days to convict).  Crime scene coverage was lacking.  The clean-up didn't feel right.  Motive wasn't airtight. 

And also ....... why would Todd and Jenea leave the house that morning together in his car and she be wearing a hat and sunglasses so that they could ....... argue in a desert and she would kill him?!?!?  That just sounds too bizarre to be real.  And none of the daughters saw mom and dad leave that morning and see mom absent for 2+ hours???

I just don't know.

[Lizzing]

I thought they said they had her DNA on the gearshift and the door handle, not fingerprints.  If it was DNA, that could be transfer.  Prints are another matter.

While I still think it is more likely than not that Jeane did it, I have a big BIG problem with anyone using her reaction to gage her culpability (or anyone else's).  A couple of years ago my father had a stroke. I was super clinical, asked the docs all the questions, reported to my sister & BIL 1200 miles away, and even cracked jokes.  At the end of the day, I came home and fell apart..to the witness of 2 cats and 2 dogs who could not credibly testify to anything.  That's just how some people are wired.  I'm wired for the private melt-down, not the public.  That, coupled with my MFM subscription, and watching Dateline and ID, I just hope no one I know ever gets murdered, or I'm in the clink forever.

[ridethemaverick]

On 11/22/2020 at 12:19 AM, ridethemaverick said:

It's been a long time since Dateline surprised me but this one did it. I found the wife completely credible for the first hour or so. 

To add, the seed of doubt was planted for me in the interrogation room when she starting talking about fourteen year olds doing gang initiations. It was so nonsensical it made me pause and say wait, why would she say something like that? But I STILL found her sincere in her Dateline interviews until it all started unraveling. 

[MsJamieDornan]

19 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I'm wired for the private melt-down, not the public.  That, coupled with my MFM subscription, and watching Dateline and ID, I just hope no one I know ever gets murdered, or I'm in the clink forever.

I totally agree.

 

20 hours ago, filmfan2480 said:

And also ....... why would Todd and Jenea leave the house that morning together in his car and she be wearing a hat and sunglasses so that they could ....... argue in a desert and she would kill him?!?!?  That just sounds too bizarre to be real.  And none of the daughters saw mom and dad leave that morning and see mom absent for 2+ hours???

I'm still trying to figure that out.   Also, none of them saw her come back alone?

 

There was no blood at the scene and his shoes were clean, did they say where they thought she shot him? And did she clean everything up including the car? I remember them mentioning she dragged him out of the car...still no blood?

[Ellee]

59 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

I totally agree.

 

I'm still trying to figure that out.   Also, none of them saw her come back alone?

 

There was no blood at the scene and his shoes were clean, did they say where they thought she shot him? And did she clean everything up including the car? I remember them mentioning she dragged him out of the car...still no blood?

All things that I wonder too.  
 

I do remember that the girls (maybe two of them sounded like at separate times) came downstairs to see their mother working. 
 

The blood and the scene ...  I wonder that too.  Doesn’t make sense.   I can’t  seem to close the door that Janea did it alone.  And, I’m also of the opinion that there are very few people in this world that Janea would keep her mouth shut for.    Something is missing regarding all of this.    Whether that is due to us seeing a synopsis of the murder on tv I don’t know. 

[MsJamieDornan]

6 minutes ago, Ellee said:

 Something is missing regarding all of this.    Whether that is due to us seeing a synopsis of the murder on tv I don’t know. 

Yes, with what they presented to us, I'm not sure I would find her guilty. She probably is, but they didnt really prove it adequately.

[filmfan2480]

17 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Yes, with what they presented to us, I'm not sure I would find her guilty. She probably is, but they didnt really prove it adequately.

I agree.  

[KnotsLanding]

I don’t know that I could’ve found her guilty at the first trial, but I feel her Dateline interviews sealed the deal for me. I also feel like those interviews would kill any type of an appeal. It’s wild how many people will interview for these shows either knowing they’re the killer, or without there being a main suspect. It just seems to risky to me. I’d only consider it once the case is closed. 

[Ellee]

I’ve been checking this out to see if there is more written about it.  Haven’t been seeing much. 
 

It’s keeping me busy until Vallow/Daybill get their’s. 

Edited November 25, 2020 by Ellee

[amarante]

I think Janae was guilty - a circumstantial case coupled with her lies about stuff like her eyesight plus the gait. 

Not to mention the daughter who spontaneously broke down. It wasn't just that the daughter recognized her but that the realization caused such trauma. There was a case which was portrayed on some true crime show in which a mother in law shot her son's ex-wife in a parking lot in the middle of the day. She was captured on tape walking calmly away. She was also in disguise but had a similar gait and the son (the husband of the victim) recognized it in the interrogation room. There was also a truck driver who happened to be in the parking lot where the murderess had parked the car and was able to identify the car as the same model/color as the murderess.

But in terms of why seemingly *normal* people kill - it's such a fascinating thing to ponder. For many of the true crimes, there is something in the background which one could use as a "reason" that might forecast capability of the deed. There is violence or control in the background. There is some degree of dangerous behavior - not blaming the victim but the chances of a poor person coming into contact with a dangerous criminal is probably higher than someone who is living a middle class lifestyle with friends/acquaintances in middle class jobs. There have been two I saw recently where the victims were young women who sold drugs as a way to supplement their incomes - not that they were major dealers at all but they were killed because the buyer didn't want to pay.

But Janae was obviously a true psychopath. That she had the ability to fool people in the initial set of interviews when generally less psychopathic people have "tells" of some kind which enable us (even if on a pre-conscious level) to sense there is something "off".

I would imagine for Janae it might have been a combination of greed since she seems to have supported him throughout the marriage and so just like a more traditional gender marriage she would have had to give up assets like the house and might have had to pay spousal support of some kind. And then the humiliation.

[CrazyInAlabama]

The Vashti Seacat case is a two hour rerun on Oxygen, and it's so sad.   Her husband was convicted of killing her, and setting the house on fire, with their two young sons right down the hall.  Fortunately, the father took his sons out of the house.   

Then, the two sons were involved in a big custody battle between the victim's mother, and sister, with all kinds of allegations going both ways.     In fact the grandmother didn't let her son or daughter see the boys, despite the daughter being a major care giver at first, but grandmother let the convicted killer's parents have regular visits with them.    I don't know how that came out, but I hope the two children have a good home.  

Edited November 29, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[Ellee]

Is anyone watching ‘Real Murders—Orange County’?  This episode is about the murder of Jane Carver. 

Season 1, Episode 1. 

[Fable]

Did anyone see the one about the Officer’s Wife with Levi Chavez?  At first I thought this was a rerun because I swear I remembered the name Levi Chavez, and many of the faces of people looked familiar.  It may have been a repeat, but honestly none of the details popped out to me, and it seemed like something I hadn’t seen before. 

Anyway, I thought this was a compelling case.  I think the jury got it right with the Not Guilty verdict.  The only real facts in this case were that the guy was a scumbag, which the jury all agreed with right away.  Then there was the mistress who didn’t seem credible at all.  She said she got nothing for testifying and wanted to do so because it was the right thing to do.  Oh sure, but sleeping with your hair stylist’s husband was all fine and dandy.  Alrighty then! 

I think she did kill herself.  Most people who lose loved one through suicide say, not possible, she would never or things like that, but there seemed to be quite a few things pointing to that, for instance the suicide notes, the journals, the 300 plus phone calls.  She came across as unstable.  It’s not that I think Levi couldn’t or even wouldn’t have done it, I just don’t think he did.  

[Madding crowd]

I saw that and I don’t see her leaving her kids behind. They proved the diary parts about depression were old. And what about the magazine being taken out of the gun, the blood smears on the bedspread and the blood seen in the bathroom. Levi’s fellow cops helped him clean up. And why would he let his family get rid of everything that belonged to her before she was even buried? Wouldn’t his kids want something later. I think he killed her for the money so he could get out of debt.

And who the hell googles how to kill someone? He was a huge scumbag. They may not have evidence to charge him but I think he is guilty.

[Fable]

28 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I saw that and I don’t see her leaving her kids behind. They proved the diary parts about depression were old. And what about the magazine being taken out of the gun, the blood smears on the bedspread and the blood seen in the bathroom. Levi’s fellow cops helped him clean up. And why would he let his family get rid of everything that belonged to her before she was even buried? Wouldn’t his kids want something later. I think he killed her for the money so he could get out of debt.

Yeah, there was a lot to unpack in this one, and I didn’t want to write a novel, so I posted an abbreviated version. I did vacillate quite a bit, but overall, I went with suicide.  The note on the nightstand and the note in the wastebasket were both proven to be written by her, and I just don't understand why she would write those if there was no intent.  Also, I thought the jury couldn’t really decide from photos about the magazine.  I also thought the mistress had an axe to grind even though she claimed otherwise.  As for leaving her kids, I hate to touch on this because it’s such a heavy subject, but if she was deep in despair, she may have felt useless and thought they’d be better off. 

I don’t know what to think really.  It was an interesting case, and I enjoyed reading your input. 

Edited November 29, 2020 by Fable

[Annber03]

48 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I saw that and I don’t see her leaving her kids behind.

Same. If she were going to leave a note, I agree that she would've addressed her kids in some fashion with some final message, too. Provided, of course ,that that message in that notebook on the nightstand was even a suicide note-it also could've been the beginnings of some other type of letter she was writing to him, too. 

I also seem to remember hearing something on another show one time talking about how suicide notes aren't even as common as people like to think they are. That wouldn't answer whether or not she committed suicide, mind, it's just another argument for how that notebook on the stand may not be a suicide note, like some assume it is. 

Do I think she could've been depressed/stressed not long before her death? Sure-you know your husband's running around on you, your marriage is struggling, stuff like that, yeah, that's probably going to depress you some. But I'm not sold on the idea of this being a suicide, either. Largely because of the fact the gun was found underneath her body. If she killed herself, how did the gun wind up underneath her?

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And why would he let his family get rid of everything that belonged to her before she was even buried? Wouldn’t his kids want something later. 

Agreed. And her own family would want some of her stuff as well. It would make far more sense for them to come in and help clear out her belongings than it would his family. 

There's also the fact that he's talking that very night about how he'd never forgive himself for her death and all that sort of thing (which sounded rather dramatic to me, the way he was saying it)...and then they said, what, 63 days later he's suddenly proposing to another woman? I mean, I get grief can affect people and they can move on a little quickly afterward, and men seem more likely to move on faster...but 63 days is awfully freaking fast. 

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And who the hell googles how to kill someone?

His explanation for that was pretty weak, too. "Oh, it was for some martial arts thing." Okay, then... 

I can see why the jury was wary of Rose, though-I think she was telling the truth about Levi, but I can also definitely see her being very self-serving and wanting to get back at him a bit. She claimed she totally wasn't bothered about being #3 on his phone list and didn't seem bothered upon realizing he was married and whatnot, but I think all of that bugged her more than she claimed. 

(Seriously, though, going out with a guy who refers to the women he sees by numbers because there's so many he can't remember their actual names, going out with a married man, whose wife does your hair, no less, leaving your kids to watch TV so you and your lover can go off to be intimate together...have some self-respect and better judgment, lady.)

I can see why the jury went with a "not guilty" verdict, simply because of all the stuff they weren't allowed to hear. Maybe if more of that stuff had been entered into the trial it might've changed their minds (though I do understand why some of it wasn't, 'cause it was secondhand information and whatnot). It seemed like the jury all felt he was guilty, though. They just wanted more evidence, was all. 

[Ellee]

Isn’t Levi’s new wife also on the police force?  Just asking. 
 

I’ve tried to find out if Tera’s children have any relationship with their grandparents.   I can’t find anything.  
 

Our children always seem to pay too high a price for what we adults do.  It’s so wrong. 

[TVbitch]

That was hard to watch. Josh did a great job during a lot of those interviews just trying to stay neutral, cuz that was bad fucking soap opera of people acting like dirtbags. The detective included. Really? He releases the crime scene without collecting the blood in the bathroom, or the blood smear on the bed?! Or making sure if the clip in the gun was ejected or not? How about testing the husbands hands for gun shot residue? Jesus God!  Then the defense attorney trying to smear the victim with all that she was trying to "hitch her star" to a new man bullshit, to which Josh finally had it with that and shut him right down. 

Ugh. Don't know if he did it. If he didn't, he seemed to bea actively trying to push her to do it with the blatant cheating and by ignoring her when she was melting down. Either way, he strutted out of the courtroom with his cool shades on like a man who got away with something. 

 

[Lsk02]

I don’t understand why it is not standard protocol to fully investigate even a suspected suicide. It sounded like everyone just looked at Tera, made that decision, and that was that. With no forensic evidence I don’t know how he could have been found guilty for this one. 

[Irlandesa]

All I could think of during those interrogation snippets in "Murder at Spider Lake" (even though it wasn't at Spider Lake) is this is why you never let yourself be interviewed without a lawyer.  Cops are likely better at it than you are. So many of the things he didn't know or remember about the immediate aftermath of the shooting made sense if he was startled awake because of the shots.  And while people trying to cover their tracks will change a story to match the "facts" given to them by the police, people trying to be helpful but with a fuzzy memory will do that as well. And then they will screw themselves.

[Ellee]

I fell asleep during this and didn’t see the end.  From articles, the husband was acquitted.  I read where they are not even sure the husband’s gun was the murder weapon but the daughter’s boyfriend at the time had the same type of gun.  And that there has been no investigation since the husband has been acquitted. 
 

What say you all?  
 

[Madding crowd]

This was a tough one. I think everyone should get a lawyer. When something likes this happens, you probably go into shock and can’t remember every detail. It bothered me that they kept demanding to know why he didn’t have more blood on him-how could you know something like that?

The boyfriend also seemed weird and who writes letters to a teenager and calls her his daughter? I did think it was possible that he and the daughter were in in this together because she didn’t want to move.

I was wondering about the guy being able to bid more for the resort, but it was a shared dream and he didn’t buy it after she died. Finally, the fact that every one of their family and friends said they loved each other and he didn’t do it kind of won me over.

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Madding crowd

[basiltherat]

I'm thinking Lolita and her boyfriend did it, aiming at Dad first.  Perhaps Dad was covering up for her after the fact, either consciously or subconsciously.  I think he was awakened from a deep sleep, and that whole family seemed to have hearing problems, so it might have taken a while for any kind of noise to penetrate.

[Ellee]

I’ve tried to find ‘where are they now’ type articles but not much out there. Or that I can find anyway.  I don’t know the kids’ names. 
 

Wonder if this is one of those cases that we will see on a Cold Justice type show or if it will be left alone as the husband was tried and acquitted.

[Lsk02]

It was very strange to see a family completely content with never knowing the truth and seeing their daughter/sister’s killer brought to justice. That makes me think they suspect or know something deep down, but prefer not to deal with it. 
 

They made a decent case for the husband doing it with where the first bullet hit the headboard and somehow missed him, but that wasn’t enough. 

[iMonrey]

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 "Murder at Spider Lake" (even though it wasn't at Spider Lake) 

Actually it was titled "Not Far from Spider Lake," which is still weird because it WAS far from Spider Lake. They said it was a six hour drive. That's pretty far! And who the heck wants to go to someplace called Spider Lake? I understand why it's named that but still - sounds like a lake where there are a lot of spiders.

i spent most of the episode convinced the husband did it, but his wife's family and his wife's sister, especially, were convinced of his innocence. By process of elimination it almost has to be the daughter's weird boyfriend. And yeah, the daughter may have been in on it as well. 

[itsadryheat]

31 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

By process of elimination it almost has to be the daughter's weird boyfriend. And yeah, the daughter may have been in on it as well. 

Also the weird boyfriends father who was the alibi. Watching tv together when the shooting occured.

Anyone remeber what time the daughter thought she heard the 2 shots - 12:38am or 2:38am 'ish?  Kinda late to be watching tv together, just sayin. . .

[Ellee]

What was the boyfriend’s name?  Did they say?  

I know my search skills stink but I’m finding very little about all of this. 

[CraftyHazel]

Where are they now

And the boyfriend’s name was Jeremy Majerus.

Edited December 5, 2020 by CraftyHazel

[Ellee]

Thanks @CraftyHazel 😁

[Crashcourse]

I know people can experience grief and trauma differently, but that daughter acted strangely cold and indifferent during the interview with the police.  I suspected her and the boyfriend.

 

[Ellee]

I wish I had seen that interview.  
 

It just seems odd that family members are not screaming for someone to find her killer.

[CraftyHazel]

8 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I know people can experience grief and trauma differently, but that daughter acted strangely cold and indifferent during the interview with the police.  I suspected her and the boyfriend.

 

This is why the daughter and her boyfriend were so suspicious to me.  The husband did...and still does...appear grief stricken.  The daughter?  Not a bit.  And she and Jeremy are still together, as well.

That’s an odd family dynamic, though.  I can understand supporting Chris and believing in his innocence.  I can’t understand why no one seems to want to know what DID happen, though.  They all seem perfectly fine with Chris’s “not guilty” verdict, but nowhere did we hear that her family, her daughter, or anyone else is pressing for answers.  Maybe because they wonder about Bailey (the daughter) and Jeremy themselves?

Jan looked so much like a friend of mine that when I first saw the Facebook posts for this episode, I did a double take.

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34 minutes ago, CraftyHazel said:

That’s an odd family dynamic, though.  I can understand supporting Chris and believing in his innocence.  I can’t understand why no one seems to want to know what DID happen, though.  They all seem perfectly fine with Chris’s “not guilty” verdict, but nowhere did we hear that her family, her daughter, or anyone else is pressing for answers.  Maybe because they wonder about Bailey (the daughter) and Jeremy themselves?

I agree. I’m thinking the family would rather stick their heads in the sand than really deal with the idea that their 15 year old granddaughter/niece and boyfriend could have done something so terrible. It is a lot to deal with. 
But logically they have to know random stranger did not just enter a home in the middle of the night and shoot at 2 sleeping people. 
 

ETA-I also think Jeremy was lying his face off in the police interview about not fooling around with 15 year old Bailey. He knew better than to ever admit that, but there’s no way they were just “talking” all those times he snuck in her parents house. I wonder if he passed that part of the lie detector. 

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I thought Jeremy was lying about them never kissing, too, and that the police were gullible to think that because he was worried about getting caught texting and driving he wouldn't commit murder.  People are weird.

So I don't like Jeremy but I think Chris did it.   I just can't explain the lack of blood splatter on him when his pillow was full of it and I can't explain how he could have offered 700K for  the Spider Lake "resort,"  when he only had 500K, unless he was thinking to get an extra 200 real quick.

Unlike the jury, the devotion and solid backing of the family doesn't mean much to me.  Good people just have a very hard time thinking that someone they know and love could possibly do something as  heinous as murder. We've seen how families can dig their heels in and after that anyone who isn't on their side is considered a traitor. 

  I believe Chris did love Jan, but they had been fighting for days, and for that one night he was angry and he momentarily hated her enough to kill her so he could have his dream come true.