Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[norcalgal]

25 minutes ago, boes said:

I really wish Stefan would go be dead again.

We had to listen to him chide Wendy AGAIN about the whole company jet thing, all the while, we know he's using the company jet to fly Chloe to New York and then on to Floirida for the holidays.  He's such a pain in the ass I hope he never regains his memories and stays stuck with Chloe, whose IQ couldn't power a refrigerator lightbulb.

I could be completely out of bounds here, since I saw about 10 seconds of the scene, but did it have a tinge of racialism to anyone?  Like, “me, white man telling  you little Asian woman what’s what!”.  Or maybe I read too much into the brief scene I watched…. 

[4evaQuez]

1 hour ago, norcalgal said:

I could be completely out of bounds here, since I saw about 10 seconds of the scene, but did it have a tinge of racialism to anyone?  Like, “me, white man telling  you little Asian woman what’s what!”.  Or maybe I read too much into the brief scene I watched…. 

I didn't pick up on that. While I didn't like the scene for the same reasons as @boes, I get the sense that Wendy is supposed to be feeling guilty. She is lying about why she took the plane with Johnny, and they are lying about something that impacts Stefan's life. Wendy and Johnny had a scene discussing those lies and whether they should continue their ruse of dating immediately after her scene with Stefan. He came off as a jerk in those scenes, but Stefan is a jerk with everyone but Chloe. 

I came here because I wanted to know what everyone thought of the Horton ornament hanging. I think I mostly disliked it honestly. While there were scenes I liked, i.e., Julie telling Gwen that Julie would prevent Gwen from getting an ornament even in death. For the most part, the hanging felt emotionally empty for me. I hate how Sarah calls people we never see her interact with "cousin." CM will never be Jennifer Rose Horton. Gwen was still included in the ceremony whether she got an ornament or not. The Horton family feeling anemic, and the episode being about whether Xander "deserves" a Horton ornament or not. I didn't have the smile I usually have with the ornament hanging.

I know Allie was mentioned, but was she - and by extension Henry - the only Horton on the current canvas not included? Does Arianna Grace usually attend the Horton celebration? It seems Maggie could have taken her.

[chediavolo]

6 hours ago, tribeca said:

Did they have any scenes with Holly ?

  I don’t like the idea of kidnapping Rachael.  It just seems like a bad plan that will backfire and hurt Brady not Kristin.  
   Rachael is a brat.  She is Kristin’s daughter.  

Rachel is a little b****. If I were Brady I’d be happy to  just be done with her and Kristin. What an awful awful child. 

[DisneyBoy]

On 12/21/2022 at 11:16 AM, brisbydog said:

What was the point of killing off Adrienne just to turn Bonnie into Adrienne? 

In fairness, Adrienne was not well-written in the last years of her life. She hated on Will, had a weird breakup with Justin, got breast cancer and randomly dated Lucas, of all people....none of it was fun or interesting. Bonnie at least had a fun personality, so I was excited to see more of her. Initially.

It was swapping them out after Bonnie impersonated Adrienne and left her to rot in prison that messed it all up. Tasteless to now have her essentially occupying Adrienne's role. It makes Justin look demented. But hey, Judi Evans is still a hoot.

So...this episode.

It's nice to hear where all the absent characters are, but sad so many seem to vanish to other countries without any of it happening on screen (ShawnD and Belle).

I love the Xander stuff. Really moving, watching him get all this acceptance while secretly knowing he doesn't deserve it. Paul let the joy/shame mix really register on his face. Maggie's words were really lovely.

...but it all makes me wonder what the gameplan is here. Destroy his reputation so he'll have to go back to Gwen by default? I don't get it. Xander can be grey, but kidnapping and inadvertently causing a death? They're tearing him down and I wish they weren't.

LOVED seeing Doug again, normal and happy (if somewhat slower). Last year's storyline was awful. Wish there hadn't even been a joke about it.

Was it still the actors singing the studio track of Come All Yee Faithful once we went to the tree trimming montage? There were some nice harmonies in there. Couldn't tell if it was still them though.

Great seeing Eli. Did they improvise having to exclude the twins because they were so sleepy?

How is convicted murderer and disgraced cop Lani "up for parole in a year" after shooting her father dead? That's...not how that works. Also: I don't miss her at all. 

Jack promising to have quiet Xmas sex with Jennifer? Yuck. Really didn't need that moment.

Gwen - on Xmas Eve - telling Julie she'll get an ornament after she dies? 😲😡 WOW. I could not loathe this character more.

Cliche dialogue about how much Chad misses Abigail on Xmas? 🙄 Show, we've done the mourning Abigail thing. It was better the first time (marginally - poor JJ). Either make Abigail a rootable character (impossible, given her history) or move on already. She's probably coming back to life yet again, so stop milking this. Marci looked great, I feel sorry she lost her gig, but ENOUGH with Saint Abifail!

And what was with the angel on the tree? Was she...supposed to BE the angel? Huh?

Great hearing Sarah talk about Horton history. I thought we'd see flashbacks today but that was better.

Her Liza look was inappropriate though. Cover up please! It's Xmas!

Did anyone else really want to see them all around the table eating? They set it up and everything. Why not use the dining room? It's like they deleted a scene. Probably had no budget for actual grub.

....I cannot get over Gwen. Kills Laura Horton, moves into her house, drugs her granddaughter and sleeps with her husband...and has the nerve to bitch about a dessert to the remaining matriarch? Who she also vaguely threatens?

They could have cut her up for kindling, thrown the pieces into the fireplace while singing carols and I would not have bat an eye.

Death to Gwen. Happy Holidays!

Edited December 23, 2022 by DisneyBoy

[Artsda]

Jennifer looking at Abby's ornament in the box made me tear up.  Then seeing her at the end ☹️. 

Thank god no ornament for Gwen. They already are forcing it having anyone in  that family give her time of day after her she did to Sarah and Abby. She should be still locked up , not be living in that house with Abby's kids, Chad should have moved out the second Jack let her live there. She should not be anywhere around Sarah too. 

 

 

[rcc]

Chad had me tearing up. Dumb ass Jack should not have Gwen there.

[BuckeyeLou]

I have to admit to a lump in my throat during the hanging of the Horton Xmas ornaments.  It reminded me of all the characters who are not on anymore & reminded me of how many years I have been watching this show!  I did like Paul Telfer's scenes today of Xander being torn between wanting to be a part of the Horton family & not feeling worthy.  I like little Thomas...good for him to be questioning Gwen!

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

While there were scenes I liked, i.e., Julie telling Gwen that Julie would prevent Gwen from getting an ornament even in death.

And this right here made me feel positively MERRY about Julie, shrewish tendencies or not!

41 minutes ago, rcc said:

Chad had me tearing up. Dumb ass Jack should not have Gwen there.

YES!

Why WAS that wench there?! She is not a Horton, not a Horton by marriage. GTFO of SARAH'S GRANDPARENTS' home!

[CanaryFan98]

22 hours ago, Artsda said:

Rachel is horrid child.   She needs a good talking too on how she behaves to Chloe. 

Arianna was another one basically slut shaming her mother naming all the previous men.

They took the blood in the middle of the restaurant with customers around?

Arianna giving Gabi hell at least makes sense to me considering Gabi pretty much left her with Will/Sonny and pretty much has spent most of her time jumping from man to man.

Plus given who her grandmothers are anything else less than hell on wheels would be disappointing tbh.

Now I hope she also drags Will as much as she drags Gabi as Sonny is the only good parent she has tbh.

 

 

53 minutes ago, rcc said:

Chad had me tearing up. Dumb ass Jack should not have Gwen there.

Another reason why I'm glad JJ is ignored in times like these

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

....I cannot get over Gwen. Kills Laura Horton ...

But she didn't kill Laura.

I am SO over Xander looking sad and guilty and lying to Sarah and Sarah acting schmoopy and stupid. END THIS STORY! I did enjoy Thomas telling Sarah the secret (headcanon for me is he did it on purpose because he loves drama) and the scene of Xander giving Sarah the present. Sarah's 'mad' face was so badly acted and hilarious to me.

Gwen vs. Julie scenes are always fun to me.

I really liked CM as Jennifer at first but she is SO bad. It's kinda fun though. Her and Jack were acting slightly unhinged with their creepy smiles. I enjoyed it lol.

The twins are the cutest things ever!

[WendyCR72]

15 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

But she didn't kill Laura.

I don't think that's for certain, either.

Whether to just mess with their heads, she either implied to Jenn or outright told Abby she killed Laura.

But again, she could have just been being her usual loser self to cause drama.

But the fact that Gwen even opened that door, the writers seemed to have left that question open as to whether Laura had a simple accident versus being murdered.

[peachmangosteen]

She was messing with Abigail’s head. She eventually told her she didn’t do it, which I think we’re supposed to currently accept as canon. I could easily see them retconning that eventually though.

I forgot to mention the wardrobe in today’s episode. There were a couple doozies. What the fuck was Gwen wearing and why lol? Also, Sarah, the boobs half out look is maybe not the choice for Christmas Eve with the family.

[norcalgal]

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Gwen - on Xmas Eve - telling Julie she'll get an ornament after she dies?

Came here to co-sign all the comments deriding Gwen’s presence at a HORTON family event. As someone else posted, Gwen is NOT a Horton by birth/adoption/marriage!  It’s soooo on brand though that Gwen would feel entitled to a Horton family ornament. What an asshole. 
CanNOT believe the utter gall of the writers having Sarah make nice with that wench. Maybe it’s a good thing Abigail is dead because we know the effing writers would have Abigail make nice with Gwen too. 

[RedElf]

What happened to Aunt Sister Mary Moira prior to the bombing?

I wonder if we're going to be seeing Sloan's brother soon.  She keeps mentioning him.

Is Eric ever going to point out to Sloan that Chanel is his niece's girlfriend?

I wish they'd start having EJ call Nicole "Nicky", like he used to do.

Did I miss something? I thought Philip just skipped town, when did he go to a hospital?

They're doing a good job at making the Nicole/EJ thing happen slowly.

That was Sarah after primping her hair?

Loving Thomas. And his little face when Cady hugged him was so sweet.

If they can put Nick's ornament on the  tree, they can put Xander's ornament on the tree.

Sarah went up to get a sweater because she was chilly and chose that flimsy off-the-shoulder thing?

I guess the Horton house is as ever-expanding as Jarlena's penthouse is.

 

[Frozendiva]

So Xander, you needed Gwen to help you find a more tasteful lingerie item than you would have chosen? That is a gift for you and not your wife. Even a pair of fake diamond earrings would have been better. Sarah is not going to buy this.

Like Nick and all the fallen/disgraced Hortons, you deserve your ornament.

Thomas is a smart kid. Nice to see Eli and the twins again.

Yeah, Julie, Gwen won’t get an ornament any time soon.

I too have been watching the show for a long time and some of the characters have sort of been a family to me.

At least now Chad got to see that Abs will watch over him and he can move on with his life.

Maggie seemed very quiet.

[RedElf]

5 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

At least now Chad got to see that Abs will watch over him and he can move on with his life.

I hope this doesn't give him the idea that Abigail approves of his going after Stephanie.

 

[Frozendiva]

22 minutes ago, RedElf said:

I hope this doesn't give him the idea that Abigail approves of his going after Stephanie.

 

I would hope for someone new to the canvas. Someone without ties to half of Salem.

[SouthernChick]

If Xander gets an ornament, I see no reason why Gwen would be excluded. Xander is just as bad, if not worse. And I didn’t appreciate Julie acting like a bitch.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, SouthernChick said:

If Xander gets an ornament, I see no reason why Gwen would be excluded. Xander is just as bad, if not worse. And I didn’t appreciate Julie acting like a bitch.

Well, Xander is married to a Horton. And spouses have always gotten one, even if Xander does suck now.

But Gwen is NOTHING. Not a Horton. Not a Horton by marriage. Ergo, no reason she deserves a FAMILY ornament. And Gwennie was being a royal bitch to Julie, so I'm glad Julie dished it right back. Sarah, Jennifer, and Abigail are Julie's family. So I understand just why she hates Gwen.

And it takes BALLS for Gwen to act as she does, standing in the very living room JULIE and JENN live in. Especially given her history with Abby and Laura.

She should go to the Salem Inn. Too bad the show no longer has the budget for it.

[nilyank]

Eh. I find the ornaments to be silly as they are always given to anybody that becomes involved with a Horton especially as most relationships (especially on a soap) never last more than a few years.

Getting them for the newborn Hortons? Sure.

Gwen is not a good person nor should she really get one since none of the Hortons who make the ornaments like her. But if she got one, she would not be the worse person on that tree. There are multiple rapists, criminals and let us not forget a SERIAL KILLER who killed Will Horton  and if not for a mad scientist, he would still be dead.

[peachmangosteen]

10 hours ago, RedElf said:

Did I miss something? I thought Philip just skipped town, when did he go to a hospital?

He left to seek treatment because he lost his damn mind lol.

7 hours ago, nilyank said:

Gwen is not a good person nor should she really get one since none of the Hortons who make the ornaments like her. But if she got one, she would not be the worse person on that tree. There are multiple rapists, criminals and let us not forget a SERIAL KILLER who killed Will Horton  and if not for a mad scientist, he would still be dead.

Yea, exactly. It's not like Julie was acting like she shouldn't have one because she's not actually a Horton by blood or marriage. It was because she's bad. And that is ridiculous for all the reasons you mentioned.

[DisneyBoy]

I'm Team Julie on this one.

Unusual feeling, but I'll roll with it.

[peachmangosteen]

Did Julie have a fit over Ben getting an ornament? I mean, it’s Julie so probably lol but they were also having everyone act like Ben was a hero and saint so I’m not sure.

[Frozendiva]

Maybe it is just time to retire the ornaments and just have someone put up the Tom and Alice ones.

[norcalgal]

48 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Did Julie have a fit over Ben getting an ornament? I mean, it’s Julie so probably lol but they were also having everyone act like Ben was a hero and saint so I’m not sure.

My brain is mush right now...but is Ciara a Horton?  Nevermind!  I just remembered her mom (Hope) is a Horton...

4 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe it is just time to retire the ornaments and just have someone put up the Tom and Alice ones.

THIS!  In fact, I'd go further and exclusively only have Tom and Alice's ornaments from now on. Yep - that's really cutting off a HUGE number of folks, but I don't care. Make it only the patriarch/matriarch named ornaments. Then, to add to the tree so it doesn't look so bare, the kids/grandkids can make ornaments for the tree.

[CanaryFan98]

17 hours ago, norcalgal said:

Came here to co-sign all the comments deriding Gwen’s presence at a HORTON family event. As someone else posted, Gwen is NOT a Horton by birth/adoption/marriage!  It’s soooo on brand though that Gwen would feel entitled to a Horton family ornament. What an asshole. 
CanNOT believe the utter gall of the writers having Sarah make nice with that wench. Maybe it’s a good thing Abigail is dead because we know the effing writers would have Abigail make nice with Gwen too. 

Actually Gwen is related to them by marriage since Jack/Jennifer are married.

37 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe it is just time to retire the ornaments and just have someone put up the Tom and Alice ones.

I actually agree with this but I also think they should do away with the Horton Christmas entirely because its a shell of its former glory although we can have scenes of Doug/Julie talking about it afterwards.

[Desperado]

The twins were everything, but would probably have been much less adorable awake. 😂

As a long, longtime viewer I appreciate that they’re continuing the ornaments tradition. There’s always an interloper getting his/hers and I just roll with it. Once Victor got his, all bets were pretty much off.

Speaking of which, I thought yesterday was to be John Aniston’s last appearance. Did I miss it? 

[RedElf]

2 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Speaking of which, I thought yesterday was to be John Aniston’s last appearance. Did I miss it? 

Monday is his last day.  And then there's going to be a memorial.

[KBrownie]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

Did Julie have a fit over Ben getting an ornament? I mean, it’s Julie so probably lol but they were also having everyone act like Ben was a hero and saint so I’m not sure.

Maybe she did. But nevertheless, he married an actual Horton. Basic requirement. He gets an ornament.  
 

Maybe the nasty retcon can start with not messing with a member of the Horton family for a significant amount of time before she feels entitled to an ornament. Gwen was harassing Abby up until the moment she died and was threatening Julie about Jennifer in their family home. But poor her. No one gave her an ornament. Never mind the fact she’s currently putting herself, yes with Xander’s permission, but I thought she changed according to her and stupid Jack, in the middle of Sarah’s marriage. But she thinks she should get an ornament from a family whose members mostly include people she’s actively sought to destroy. She only cares (supposedly) about Jack. Where’s she going to hang an ornament? Next to Abby and her kids? Nope. Jack? Nope, because he wants next to Jennifer, who places hers next to her kids and Laura.  She hates Julie. Everyone else is either indifferent to or hates what she did to their loved ones. Dumb wench shouldn’t expect ANYTHING from the Hortons, but thinks she should get treated like everyone else. She should go and find the old Deveraux home, take her lame lapdog of a father, and start their own tradition. 
 

She acts as if she can’t stand anyone in that house/family but Jack. Like she’s so over them not liking her for all that she’s done. She can always get out of their family home if it’s just too much for her.  But she won’t. Just like when her latest schemes with Xander come out, she’ll somehow be flabbergasted that the Hortons will continue to treat her like the trash she is. 
 

53 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe it is just time to retire the ornaments and just have someone put up the Tom and Alice ones.

Why should the ornaments get retired just because some worthless newbie retcon who might be gone in a year had a sad she didn’t one? Please. 
 

I’m glad she didn’t get one. In the grand scheme of things, she matters none. And it wasn’t the moment for her. Let Jack, Jennifer, Chad, and the kids get through their first Christmas without Abby without having it become all about the person who tried multiple times to kill her, and only got lucky that she didn’t. The person who was still trying to kill her and someone beat her to it. Let this Christmas be about Eli and his kids. There were actual Hortons to focus on instead of the entitled Gwen. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by KBrownie

[CanaryFan98]

47 minutes ago, Desperado said:

The twins were everything, but would probably have been much less adorable awake. 😂

As a long, longtime viewer I appreciate that they’re continuing the ornaments tradition. There’s always an interloper getting his/hers and I just roll with it. Once Victor got his, all bets were pretty much off.

Speaking of which, I thought yesterday was to be John Aniston’s last appearance. Did I miss it? 

No its Monday. I also think its absurd Victor got one but that's another story and I like Victor.

[peachmangosteen]

4 hours ago, norcalgal said:

My brain is mush right now...but is Ciara a Horton?  Nevermind!  I just remembered her mom (Hope) is a Horton...

This is me every time I'm trying to figure out how these people are all related lol.

3 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Actually Gwen is related to them by marriage since Jack/Jennifer are married.

Well well well!

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Actually Gwen is related to them by marriage since Jack/Jennifer are married.

They were married for DECADES before Rotten Retcon came calling. And Rotten Retcon has never tried to establish familial relationships beyond Jack.

So my opinion, that Gwen can GTFO to the Salem Inn and deserves no ornament for all the shit and attitude she has given, stands.

[peachmangosteen]

If the only requirement is being a Horton/being related through marriage and that doesn't cancel out if you're a bad person, which it clearly does not, then I guess technically Gwen should get one. Sorry, Julie! 

It feels like there must be Hortons that don't have one though since there aren't that many ornaments and it feels like at least 50% of Salem is a Horton in some way lol.

[RedElf]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

If the only requirement is being a Horton/being related through marriage and that doesn't cancel out if you're a bad person, which it clearly does not, then I guess technically Gwen should get one. Sorry, Julie! 

It feels like there must be Hortons that don't have one though since there aren't that many ornaments and it feels like at least 50% of Salem is a Horton in some way lol.

Well, Maggie is only related via marriage but Victor got one because of being married to her.

Edited December 25, 2022 by RedElf

[KBrownie]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

They were married for DECADES before Rotten Retcon came calling. And Rotten Retcon has never tried to establish familial relationships beyond Jack.

So my opinion, that Gwen can GTFO to the Salem Inn and deserves no ornament for all the shit and attitude she has given, stands.

Plus, Gwen has shown just how much she cares about Jack and Jennifer’s marriage hasn’t she?  As in, not all that much.  In addition to her past attempts to blow up the marriage she feels she she have all the benefits of, she just yesterday inferred that she had some influence over Jennifer being home or not and that Julie should be grateful towards her.  But yeah.  She totally cares about Jack and his marriage and should benefit more from the very marriage she has so little respect for.  Nevermind she’s only allowed to stay in that house is because of Jack’s marriage. But that’s Gwen’s entire problem: she thinks she can dish out whatever she wants with no real remorse, but damn if she has to account of any of it. That’s why she doesn’t like Julie. Julie isn’t dumb Jack who’s just going to pretend like she still isn’t the nasty bitch of a sociopath she’s always been. That all the nasty stuff she did isn’t just “bygones” because Jack is a weak pushover who has no loyalty to anyone anymore but the retcon. 
 

And all this talk about the Hortons being bad people (no one said they were perfect) and still having ornaments. So why does the wench want one then?  Why does it matter to her if Julie, Jennifer, Abby, and the rest are so horrible and mean to poor her?  Why would she want to be associated with them? She can pack up and go anytime. Her and Jack can do their own thing and not involve anything Horton at all. Better than chucking the whole thing because the retcon pouts because she didn’t get one. Comparing her to someone like Maggie to try and justify why she should get one is ridiculous. No, Maggie isn’t technically married to a Horton, but she was for decades and has remained a part of the family on her own and with her children since Mickey’s death. So I absolutely get why Victor was included. 
 

And I’m sure the difference between all those bad, bad people in the Horton family is that their bad deeds weren’t targeted, malicious, and deliberate attacks against actual Horton family members. Or least no one can claim as many victims as Gwen. Let’s see.  There’s Abby, Laura, Chad, Thomas, Charlotte, Jennifer, Sarah, Maggie, JJ. Who on that tree comes close? Ben? Already covered him.
 

Some of those bad people also had ornaments before they were “bad.”  They’re still family. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by KBrownie

[RedElf]

8 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

Plus, Gwen has shown just how much she cares about Jack and Jennifer’s marriage hasn’t she?  As in, not all that much.  In addition to her past attempts to blow up the marriage she feels she she have all the benefits of, she just yesterday inferred that she had some influence over Jennifer being home or not and that Julie should be grateful towards her.  But yeah.  She totally cares about Jack and his marriage and should benefit more from the very marriage she has so little respect for.  Nevermind she’s only allowed to stay in that house is because of Jack’s marriage. But that’s Gwen’s entire problem: she thinks she can dish out whatever she wants, but damn if she has to account of any of it. That’s why she doesn’t like Julie. Julie isn’t dumb Jack who’s just going to pretend like she still isn’t the nasty bitch of a sociopath she’s always been. That all the nasty stuff she did isn’t just “bygones” because Jack is a weak pushover who has no loyalty to anyone anymore but the retcon. 
 

And all this talk about the Hortons being bad people (no one said they were perfect) and still having ornaments. So why does the wench want one then?  Why does it matter to her if Julie, Jennifer, Abby, and the rest are so horrible and mean to poor her?  Why would she want to be associated with them? She can pack up and go anytime. Her and Jack can do their own thing and not involve anything Horton at all. Better than chucking the whole thing because the retcon pouts because she didn’t get one. 
 

And I’m sure the difference between all those bad, bad people in the Horton family is that their bad deeds weren’t targeted, malicious attacks against actual Horton family members. Or least no one can claim as many victims as Gwen. Let’s see.  There’s Abby, Laura, Chad, Thomas, Charlotte, Jennifer, Sarah, Maggie, JJ. Who on that tree comes close? Ben? Already covered him. 

Nick blackmailed Will, but he has an ornament.

[boes]

Horton ornaments have become like the Daytime Emmy's,and just as meaningless.  Everybody seems to get one just by sticking around long enough.  Ben/Ollie getting one was about as low as it could go.

But, for the first time in forever, I was on Julie's side, at least during her argument with Gwen.  If Gwen deserves an ornament, then Julie gets to decide where to hang it.  And if that means Gwen won't be comfortable sitting down for the forseeable future, then them's the breaks, Gwennie. 

And which idiot was dumb enough to allow her to fix the food??  

Edited December 25, 2022 by boes

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, RedElf said:

Nick blackmailed Will, but he has an ornament.

Well, again, Nick's mom was a Horton. He is, too. Horton is not synonymous with "saint".

But, in the end, it is family.

[KBrownie]

3 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Well, again, Nick's mom was a Horton. He is, too. Horton is not synonymous with "saint".

But, in the end, it is family.

Seriously.  They are just a family like so many others with a tradition that’s meaningful to them. It doesn’t have to make perfect sense.  It obviously doesn’t. 
 

And Nick, since his mother is a Horton, probably got his ornament at birth.  Should it have been revoked after the Will incident? What about when Claire tried to set Ciara on fire? No one took her ornament.  Neither comes close to Gwen’s Horton victims though.

Still, none of these scenarios is Gwen. She’s a nothing nobody who is tolerated because Jennifer loves Jack and the rest of them love her.  If Gwen thinks she deserves more, she can remove herself from their home at any time. Or stop doing things that hurt them.  She’s bitching about an ornament while helping Xander gaslight Sarah. But that mean old Julie won’t let poor Gwen have an ornament. Sniff. 

[Frozendiva]

32 minutes ago, boes said:

Horton ornaments have become like the Daytime Emmy's,and just as meaningless.  Everybody seems to get one just by sticking around long enough.  Ben/Ollie getting one was about as low as it could go.

But, for the first time in forever, I was Julie's side, at least during her argument with Gwen.  If Gwen deserves an ornament, then Julie gets to decide where to hang it.  And if that means Gwen won't be comfortable sitting down for the forseeable future, then them's the breaks, Gwennie. 

And which idiot was dumb enough to allow her to fix the food??  

I assume Gwen bought the Christmas pudding. Unless she had the 4-6 weeks time to prepare it. Also hoping it was the dessert kind and not the intestine kind.

She is Jack’s daughter and sort of family and maybe should have an ornament, but also maybe she should actually act like she is part of the family.  Maybe she will get one next year.

[DisneyBoy]

No you didn't. Just PMed you.

4 hours ago, boes said:

Horton ornaments have become like the Daytime Emmy's,and just as meaningless.  Everybody seems to get one just by sticking around long enough.  Ben/Ollie getting one was about as low as it could go.

But, for the first time in forever, I was Julie's side, at least during her argument with Gwen.  If Gwen deserves an ornament, then Julie gets to decide where to hang it.  And if that means Gwen won't be comfortable sitting down for the forseeable future, then them's the breaks, Gwennie. 

And which idiot was dumb enough to allow her to fix the food??  

Well said. I was stunned she was left alone with the food...after drugging Abigail's food. I mean...really??? Wake up Hortons!

[peachmangosteen]

These are the same people who have whole-heartedly welcomed a serial killer, who actually murdered one of their own, into the family. Obviously, they get over stuff lol.

[CanaryFan98]

17 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

They were married for DECADES before Rotten Retcon came calling. And Rotten Retcon has never tried to establish familial relationships beyond Jack.

So my opinion, that Gwen can GTFO to the Salem Inn and deserves no ornament for all the shit and attitude she has given, stands.

I agree with you but technically she's still related to them by marriage despite this being a retcon from hell is my point. I would prefer they not bother with a Horton Christmas anymore as there are barely any Hortons left. The show lacks the heart and soul that made this special in the first place. That's an entirely different discussion.

[KBrownie]

6 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

These are the same people who have whole-heartedly welcomed a serial killer, who actually murdered one of their own, into the family. Obviously, they get over stuff lol.

Yet Gwen hasn’t been given one. Says a lot about her, doesn’t it. Lol.  

A serial killer can get an ornament, but not her.  And daddy for once didn’t seem to gaf about it. The family Christmas was about actual family and no one made a big fuss over the irrelevant tangent who has tried to kill multiple members and is currently meddling in the marriage of one of those she tried to kill.  
 

Poor, poor Gwen. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by KBrownie

[SouthernChick]

I like this new version of Eric. Hope the DGAF version stays for awhile! And keep him away from Nicole!

[methodwriter85]

11 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

These are the same people who have whole-heartedly welcomed a serial killer, who actually murdered one of their own, into the family. Obviously, they get over stuff lol.

Yes, but Will forgave Ben when he was magically brought back to life, to the point they became besties.

[norcalgal]

On 12/24/2022 at 11:31 AM, CanaryFan98 said:

Actually Gwen is related to them by marriage since Jack/Jennifer are married.

On 12/24/2022 at 10:54 AM, Frozendiva said:

Sorry, I should have been more precise. Imo, “by marriage” means the person getting an ornament is married to a Horton. Which is not at all Gwen’s situation because she is merely related to a person who is married to a Horton. 
But as I also posted, the whole ornament thing should be exclusively confined to Tom and Alice, because of the ridiculousness of Ben/Victor getting ornaments, and now it’s just outta hand. 

[Pearson80]

34 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

But as I also posted, the whole ornament thing should be exclusively confined to Tom and Alice, because of the ridiculousness of Ben/Victor getting ornaments, and now it’s just outta hand. 

Both Ben and Victor targeted Hortons so they should have never gotten ornaments.

I believe that only the direct descendants of Tom and Alice should get ornaments..

[FilmTVGeek80]

40 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

Sorry, I should have been more precise. Imo, “by marriage” means the person getting an ornament is married to a Horton. Which is not at all Gwen’s situation because she is merely related to a person who is married to a Horton. 

Yes, I believe this is the distinction. If you're married to a Horton you get one (so, yeah serial killer or not Ben got one - especially since he had an unnamed mental illness he was "cured" from.) But just because you're related to someone married to a Horton doesn't mean you get one. Victor got one because he's married to Maggie, but I don't believe Phillip got one (though I guess I could be wrong about that.) Gwen doesn't qualify for one just because she's related to Jack, and even less so, considering she's not considered family by anyone and she doesn't consider them family.

[CanaryFan98]

12 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

Both Ben and Victor targeted Hortons so they should have never gotten ornaments.

I believe that only the direct descendants of Tom and Alice should get ornaments..

I also believe this is what they should've done tbh only blood relatives