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So either the biopsy of Gary's lump that Maggie detected is in the process of getting the test results, or

The DNA test from Darcy's non-gender identified baby is in the process of coming back with the reveal of the proud papa.

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Seriously, why do they all need to hang out in the hospital waiting room every time one of them has any kind of medical issue? Don't any of them have to work?

I was about to feel bad for Gary's hospital roommate but was glad to find out that he was the one bugging Gary.

Was anyone else waiting for something to happen to Gina's mom while she was walking at the park? Maybe I've watched too much Law & Order.

"You're the one who switched teams." 😆 (Greta and Eddie do kinda look like they could be siblings...)

"Now we know it's not poisoned." "Do you?" 

I was gonna say you'd think they would have a little more consideration than to make a big show of stupid jokes reminding the new girlfriends that Eddie and Katherine were married but...you really wouldn't, if you've watched more than half an episode of this show.

Also, This Is Us already did the 'former couple (or old friends/future couple in that case) makes their new partners uncomfortable during game night because they know each other so well and have such a long history they get all the answers' thing this season. It was even the same game.

"My self-indulgent, often thoughtless friends." Well, at least they're aware.

Who called "Sophie forgives Gary because cancer scare"?

How is Anna so bad at this game and why don't they stop torturing her and play something else.

Did we know that Greta was bipolar?

"I feel like a truck just ran me over." "That happened to me once." At least I got a few laughs out of this one.

 

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Next time I go to the hospital for a test I’m going to invite 10 of my friends and the people they are dating along. Danny doesn’t seem like a 15 year old-what kid his age would even joke with adults about his sex life? And Milo bringing flowers? Just doesn’t seem like something a kid his age would do.

I liked the part with Regina’s parents and am happy Gary is ok.

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24 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Did we know that Greta was bipolar?

I had the same question, I don't think so. I am thinking that is a set up for her to have some sort of spiral. They are writing Greta as so supportive and wonderful, something has to go wrong soon. And I've never seen a TV show write someone as bipolar just to show them as a healthy and functioning person all the time.

If I was Anna I would have felt super awkward watching Eddie and Katherine play that game too. They stole the idea from This Is Us though.

Lucky that Sophie was apparently playing a concert close by and could get to Gary so fast.

Why is Danny still in town? Wasn't he just staying for spring break? But it has been weeks. Even in show time, they mentioned it had been a couple weeks since Gary's lump was found. And if he is in town and wants to hook up with his boyfriend why not go to Delilah's empty house?

The stuff with Regina's parents didn't seem to fit in with the episode.

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Well, I got good news today about my dad's lymphoma. The doctor says he's fine--he needs to have maintenance infusions once every two months for the next two years. So we're very happy about that!

Oh, the show....

I got a question, because this does also relate to my dad's news. Dad had his CT scan last week and got the results today. This seems to be kind of par for the course during this--Dad would have a test one week, get the results in a couple weeks. Is it because, compared to a hospital like Gary is in, Dad was going to a small hospital where test results don't come after a day? 

My question is--why would they think that Gary would get the test results the next day and are pretty unhappy that they have to wait another day? Because, in my view, getting the results within 48 hours is unreal. About the most unreal thing about this whole episode. (And, trust me, I get waiting for news like this is the worst).

Which, this episode was.... ok.

I personally love Eddie and Greta's relationship. I can totally see them as brother and sister, and their conversation over the phone made me laugh. And I bought Anna's excuse for drinking so much--because, yeah, I was noticing her drinking too, but then I started thinking that all of these guys drink around Eddie.

Yeah, the waiting around the hospital thing that they were joking about. If I were part of this friend group, the only two instances I can see myself waiting around the hospital is Maggie's surgery and Eddie's accident. Which, the only one that hung around with Eddie's accident was Gary.

Thinking of that, I also laughed at the doctor skedaddling when Rome asked her to game night. Ha!

And, no, we never heard that Greta is bipolar. There's an anvil.

And I still don't care about Gina's parents. Why are they revisiting Gina's molestation? This was a plot thread in season 1, I believe. 

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7 minutes ago, historylover820 said:

My question is--why would they think that Gary would get the test results the next day and are pretty unhappy that they have to wait another day? Because, in my view, getting the results within 48 hours is unreal. About the most unreal thing about this whole episode. (And, trust me, I get waiting for news like this is the worst).

I've never had testing done for anything major, but a few years ago I had a routine mammogram. Normally the results are available on their portal in a few days and I get a letter in the mail a week or two later, but this time they called me a couple days later to tell me the radiologist wanted me to come back for an ultrasound. I went a couple days after that and they had me wait in the exam room afterward while the doctor read the ultrasound right away, and then he came in to talk to me himself. (I was fine.) Other than that and rapid strep tests when I was a kid, I don't think I've ever gotten any kind of test results the same day, and I'm always surprised when I get a call the next day.

Glad your dad is doing well.

Also thought it was kind of odd that Maggie thought they couldn't leave because he hadn't gotten the results yet. Why would you need to be taking up a hospital bed just waiting for that? It's not like he would need emergency treatment such that they would need to keep him there just in case it was positive.

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46 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

I had the same question, I don't think so. I am thinking that is a set up for her to have some sort of spiral. They are writing Greta as so supportive and wonderful, something has to go wrong soon. And I've never seen a TV show write someone as bipolar just to show them as a healthy and functioning person all the time.

From the preview it seems her wife is maybe not so happy about the new girlfriend. Will it turn out that they didn't really break up and Greta saying they did is a sign of the beginnings of an episode?

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y question is--why would they think that Gary would get the test results the next day and are pretty unhappy that they have to wait another day? Because, in my view, getting the results within 48 hours is unreal. About the most unreal thing about this whole episode. (And, trust me, I get waiting for news like this is the wors

It's a TV thing, not real life.  In real life, things like biopsies to rule out cancer take days to come back, it would be extremely rare to get a result the next day.  That's because, even the big medical centers have only so many pathologists and often those pathologists have specialties within the group.  There are only so many slides they can review in a day. In a case like Gary's, where they're looking for recurrent breast cancer, they are going to be very careful and look at the whole specimen.  They may even do some special stains or tests looking for DNA related to his cancer.  In addition, it will often be double-checked by a second pathologist, just to be sure.  

I am a practitioner at one of the major medical centers in the country.  Even the oncologists here tell their patients it will be a week before results will be back.  It is often sooner, but better to have folks be pleasantly surprised when it takes less time than expected.

Also, in real life, a biopsy such as Gary had would either be done in the doctor's office under local or in an outpatient surgery center.  He would've been released maybe an hour after it was done and he wouldn't have been in a regular hospital room at all.

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Also thought it was kind of odd that Maggie thought they couldn't leave because he hadn't gotten the results yet

Maggie proves once again that she is an idiot.  The woman has had multiple biopsies herself.  She hung around the hospital waiting for the results?  Gary's doctor is sitting in the doctor's lounge just waiting on the results so he can run and tell Gary?  Of course not, life goes on, even in a hospital.  Gary would be sent home to wait for his results because he is otherwise taking up space that another patient can fill.  His doctor is continuing on his busy workday and will review the results himself and then notify Gary personally.  He probably has other procedures, patient in the office, lab work to assess and other patients to call with results; he cannot sit and wait for one result to come in.

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From the preview it seems her wife is maybe not so happy about the new girlfriend. Will it turn out that they didn't really break up and Greta saying they did is a sign of the beginnings of an episode?

Yes, I expect it will turn out that Greta is off her meds and delusional and, no doubt, there will be some sort of Fatal Attraction scenario involving Katherine.  Not because this happens all the time with bipolar people, but because this is the level of the writing on this show.  Extra points if Eddie has to save Katherine from Crazy Greta and ends up jumping out of his chair and miraculously being able to walk in order to do it.

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Yeah, that is definitely what I thought! Thanks for confirming!

I mean, even when I got Covid back in December, I had to wait for my diagnosis to come back. The doctor's office told me 24 hours, so I was surprised when they called me after about 16 hours. But even that wasn't a same day diagnosis.

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11 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Seriously, why do they all need to hang out in the hospital waiting room every time one of them has any kind of medical issue? Don't any of them have to work?

How is Anna so bad at this game and why don't they stop torturing her and play something else.

It's crazy unrealistic that they all are in the waiting room.  What possible good can they do by waiting there for hours?  Anyone but Maggie serves no purpose.

It was cringy that Anna was so lame at playing the game.

I find Gina's mother very annoying.  She wanted to impose herself on the party and that would have been uncomfortable for everyone. 

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11 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Seriously, why do they all need to hang out in the hospital waiting room every time one of them has any kind of medical issue? Don't any of them have to work?

They don't have other friends either

11 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Who called "Sophie forgives Gary because cancer scare"?

It is not forgiveness then. It is pity. Forgiveness cannot be conditional, mutually exclusive concepts

11 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Why is Danny still in town? Wasn't he just staying for spring break? But it has been weeks. Even in show time, they mentioned it had been a couple weeks since Gary's lump was found. And if he is in town and wants to hook up with his boyfriend why not go to Delilah's empty house?

They must have fallen into that alternate universe. If they show Charlie, she will be an infant again

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Every time someone knocked on the door at game night I was thinking Regina should have broken the fourth wall and said “I wonder who could that be boys and girls?!” 
No one knows how to use a phone so just show up in person at all hours and knock on someone’s front door. I know she silenced her mom’s call, but no one seems to have any boundaries on this show! 

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I have a real pet peeve about how Maggie and Gary talk about Cam. When they were in the hospital Gary pretended to be him. (Seriously what is wrong with these people?) and at the end they joked about naming their baby Cameron.

Cam doesn't deserved to be talked about like he was some weirdo who stalked Maggie. He was a good guy who deserved better than Maggie and she's acting like she's the one who got away. These two are just such children.

Did we get any follow-up to Katherine coming out to her mother?

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12 minutes ago, marceline said:

I have a real pet peeve about how Maggie and Gary talk about Cam. When they were in the hospital Gary pretended to be him. (Seriously what is wrong with these people?) and at the end they joked about naming their baby Cameron.

Cam doesn't deserved to be talked about like he was some weirdo who stalked Maggie. He was a good guy who deserved better than Maggie and she's acting like she's the one who got away. These two are just such children.

Yeah, I didn't like that, either. Cam seemed like nothing but a good guy, whose only sin was not being the right guy for Maggie. Which is fine; sometimes you just don't feel it, even when two people look perfect for each other on paper. But he didn't do anything wrong, except maybe not read Maggie's mind about how she felt about celebrating her birthday; why do they feel the need to mock him? 

12 minutes ago, marceline said:

Did we get any follow-up to Katherine coming out to her mother?

Nope.

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I gotta admit, I didn't hate this episode. Actually, I rather enjoyed it. When the show has the characters actually hanging out together, it's not a bad thing. The co-dependency stuff is annoying (them all waiting at the hospital? C'mon now) but when they're just having fun, doing game night, at least it's not fifty different plots with jarring scenes spliced together.

Gary and Maggie are still irritating, but at least they can be selfish and narcissistic together. At least other people don't need to suffer anymore. Just us now, as an audience. 

Greta and Eddie's joking around is surprisingly hilarious still. I do like that Eddie is getting along with Katherine's girlfriend, though it sucks that Eddie's girlfriend doesn't have that same banter and is awkward around them. I'm not sure if I agree with Greta's analysis with Katherine/Eddie. I do think they were showing how Katherine/Eddie worked well together at the game while others couldn't, which probably impacted Greta's assessment, but it's because the two have known each other for 12+ years. Of course they're gonna have that connection still. Greta/Katherine knew each other longer, BUT it's been years since they last saw each other. 

I also assume Greta's bipolar being mentioned for the first time is foreshadowing to issues with Katherine/Greta due to it. Please avoid doing that, show. I just know the show will use Greta's bipolar in a negative way, and it's just annoying.

I like Katherine/Eddie's friendship, as well. Now that they're divorced, they don't have all that tension between them, and you can see how close they probably were before. 

I can't really blame Anna for drinking like she did around Eddie. First off, she's still getting to know Eddie, but also because the rest of the group drink a lot around Eddie AND even joke about his sobriety with him. Plus, Anna was clearly not connecting with anyone in the group, so she likely kept drinking out of nervousness. Not a great way to handle anxiety, so I wonder if that's a hint toward Anna/Eddie breaking up. Not just with her drinking, but with Eddie's support group mentioning how he shouldn't be getting involved in a relationship so early on in his sobriety (even if it has been a year).

I knew Gary would be just fine. They already did the cancer plot with Maggie in season 1. I didn't mind Gary's reactions this episode. I appreciated that they showed the more serious side to him (but not the violent side, thank goodness). 

What I didn't love was them wrapping up the Gary/Sophie plot. Oh look, Sophie's forgiven him because she thought he might have cancer. All done, see! Even if I thought Sophie's anger at Gary was a bit over the top to begin with, they also wrapped it up instantly. 

I actually don't hate Gina's plot with her parents. I like that the show is remembering her season 1 plot. But my goodness, her mom is super intrusive. She was told not to show up, and she showed up. 

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12 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I've never had testing done for anything major, but a few years ago I had a routine mammogram. Normally the results are available on their portal in a few days and I get a letter in the mail a week or two later, but this time they called me a couple days later to tell me the radiologist wanted me to come back for an ultrasound. I went a couple days after that and they had me wait in the exam room afterward while the doctor read the ultrasound right away, and then he came in to talk to me himself. (I was fine.) Other than that and rapid strep tests when I was a kid, I don't think I've ever gotten any kind of test results the same day, and I'm always surprised when I get a call the next day.

I had a similar experience with one of my mammo retakes - then the second one (new assistant didn't smooth out things very well, as it turned out) I was shocked when after my retake, the result was on the portal when I got home - less than an hour later. But then, the clinic did one thing, and had staff on hand, and I had the earliest appointment.

My mother's liver cancer diagnosis was far more complicated, as they had to figure out the type of cancer (apparently, a lot of cancers show up in the liver without being actual liver cancer). So it was a bit of a wait. It was pretty stressful for us all.

41 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I actually don't hate Gina's plot with her parents. I like that the show is remembering her season 1 plot. But my goodness, her mom is super intrusive. She was told not to show up, and she showed up. 

Her mother has certainly always been intrusive and annoying. But I'll give her this one - because it seemed like the reason she came wasn't because of her usual neediness, but because she'd called Gina's dad as Gina had told her to do, and the conversation had devastated her. She was overwhelmed with guilt and pain and needed her daughter's comfort.  She wasn't looking to join the party at that moment.

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This episode was mostly pretty decent, I appreciate that they focused on mostly one plot, everyone at game night, instead of a million subplots. Of course, its hard not to notice that the game night set up where a former couple make their current partners insecure is lifted almost completely from This is Us, and I know that this show has always lived in the shadow of This is Us, but it really stood out for me. Regina's parents also felt off to me, this one little unconnected subplot buzzing around the main story of game night and Gary's test results. 

I feel for Regina's mom and I am glad that her parents made up, but I thought it was off-putting how she showed up for game night to dump all of that on Regina when she knew she was having her friends over. This one isn't exactly her fault, she was clearly going through a lot, but it felt this subplot was really intruding on the bigger one. I am also really not a fan of this repressed memory plot. Repressed memories are a very controversial idea that most professionals find to be very questionable at best, dangerous at worst, so having them here, with everyone treating them as just a normal thing that happens, feels off to me. They don't feel necessary to me, if they really wanted to give Regina and her mom this molestation backstory I wish they had just had it as something that happened that they never talked about between them so neither of them knew what had happened due to the trauma of it, that sounds like a more interesting story anyway and without being attached to some questionable science. 

Its nice that Katherine and Eddie are in such a good place, but their easy chemistry just makes me sad all over again that they broke them up for the sake of cheap drama. This episode also seemed to spell out trouble for their new respective love interests, Anna got drunk and was just awkward in general, which I cant really blame her for but holy crap was it cringy, and Greta out of nowhere announced that she was bipolar, acting like we should just know this already, and while in the real world that would just be normal medical information, in television world, it means that she will inevitably have a total break down, probably involving a massive manic phase where she has hallucinations and almost kills herself, because its television and its this show and mental health is usually handled with the tact of a sledgehammer to the face.

I figured that Gary's cancer wouldn't be back, not even this show would do two cancer plots right in a row, but I guess this all really happened so that Sophie could finally forgive Gary, although I don't think that's really what happened here. Sophie came when she thought there was a chance that Gary could die, it doesn't actually mean her issues with him are gone or that she isn't mad anymore, but now, like this whole stupid Gary story, it will presumably be swept under the rug.

I didn't like Gary and Maggie making fun of Cam as part of their "delightful banter" or Gary saying that he hates all of the time he "wasted" not being with Maggie. Things didn't work out with Cam and Darcy, which is fine, but they were still perfectly nice people who don't deserve to be mocked or talked about like a place holder until the better option was available. 

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9 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

But then, the clinic did one thing, and had staff on hand, and I had the earliest appointment.

Heh, yeah, I go to a big practice that does everything radiology, with several offices (and the one I go to is on the hospital campus, so while they don't do x-rays for actual ER patients [when I was in a car accident they did my x-rays in the hospital itself] they probably get a lot of follow-up patients from there) and a central call center for making appointments (luckily they now have an online appointment request form, so you can have them call you instead of spending twenty minutes on hold just waiting for someone to answer the phone).

46 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

The one thing I really loved this episode was Colin watching the screen while Danny played a video game.  He is a beautiful dog.

I also like that Gary gave him a kiss on the head, twice. Colin deserves love. I'm not a big-dog person (I grew up with a miniature Schnauzer and my last dog was a six-pound Chihuahua) but he looks huggable.

16 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

Her mother has certainly always been intrusive and annoying. But I'll give her this one - because it seemed like the reason she came wasn't because of her usual neediness, but because she'd called Gina's dad as Gina had told her to do, and the conversation had devastated her. She was overwhelmed with guilt and pain and needed her daughter's comfort.  She wasn't looking to join the party at that moment.

Yeah, I don't begrudge her that one. She was pretty upset and I thought Gina was being kind of mean. I did like that Gina implied that she would invite her to game night next time.

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17 hours ago, historylover820 said:

I got a question, because this does also relate to my dad's news. Dad had his CT scan last week and got the results today. This seems to be kind of par for the course during this--Dad would have a test one week, get the results in a couple weeks. Is it because, compared to a hospital like Gary is in, Dad was going to a small hospital where test results don't come after a day? 

My question is--why would they think that Gary would get the test results the next day and are pretty unhappy that they have to wait another day? Because, in my view, getting the results within 48 hours is unreal. About the most unreal thing about this whole episode. (And, trust me, I get waiting for news like this is the worst).

I have cancer — for the second time — and my hospital often posts CT scan results within 24 hours on the health portal. I usually see my doctor to discuss results two days after my scans. My mother, on the other hand, (in a smaller town) has to wait a week or more even for results of simple blood tests. 
 

You are so right about the waiting. It’s brutal. There’s a great word for it, in case you haven’t heard it yet: scanxiety. I’m happy your dad got good news. 
 

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1 hour ago, TivoFan said:

I have cancer — for the second time — and my hospital often posts CT scan results within 24 hours on the health portal. I usually see my doctor to discuss results two days after my scans. My mother, on the other hand, (in a smaller town) has to wait a week or more even for results of simple blood tests. 
 

You are so right about the waiting. It’s brutal. There’s a great word for it, in case you haven’t heard it yet: scanxiety. I’m happy your dad got good news. 
 

I'm so sorry.   I also have had cancer,  so when I had a mammogram with a questionable outcome that needed an explanation and followup conversation unceremoniously showed up in my portal late on a Friday afternoon,  I was understandably anxious.  Luckily I was able to reach one of my oncologists and she talked me off a ledge, but she was super pissed that they dump this information on patients instead of letting Dr's have the opportunity to convey it to a patient in person or over the phone.  It was apparently new legislation that most medical professionals opposed, but I guess who cares about their opinion or patients mental well being anymore?  I was furious and felt lucky that I had a caring enough physician that called me back on a Friday night. 

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I enjoyed this episode for the most part, but I loved it when Gina's mom was reading the unused suggestions for charades or whatever game they were playing and got Stephen Root. She said something about " who's that?" And that he was probably on some kids show.😂

The actress, Romy Rosemont, is married to Stephen Root, so I got a good laugh out of that! 

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1 hour ago, cardigirl said:

I enjoyed this episode for the most part, but I loved it when Gina's mom was reading the unused suggestions for charades or whatever game they were playing and got Stephen Root. She said something about " who's that?" And that he was probably on some kids show.😂

The actress, Romy Rosemont, is married to Stephen Root, so I got a good laugh out of that! 

Thanks for this! I enjoyed Stephen Root on News Radio and King of the Hill. That’s a cute joke.

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I felt embarrassed for Anna when the wine glass broke and wine ended up all over Eddie's shirt.  Greta was nice to help her with it and reminding her not to get cut on the glass.  Greta being bipolar is news to us.  Greta was right to challenge Katherine in her overseeing Eddie's life now.

I'm hoping Regina's parents can learn to communicate better now and the whole point of this plotline is that they get back together.  Not for the sake of Regina, but for their own happiness which would make everyone happy.

How is Danny still at Gary's and do boys really give each other flowers?  Talk about their active sex lives with adults who are "taking care" of them?

Eddie is going to have to move out soon because Maggie's moving in with Gary, having a baby with him, get married before or after the baby, which means Eddie will probably move in with Anna.

Bonus points for extra Colin scenes and more bonus points for no Theo.

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On 4/13/2022 at 10:47 PM, historylover820 said:

 

I got a question, because this does also relate to my dad's news. Dad had his CT scan last week and got the results today. This seems to be kind of par for the course during this--Dad would have a test one week, get the results in a couple weeks. Is it because, compared to a hospital like Gary is in, Dad was going to a small hospital where test results don't come after a day? 

My question is--why would they think that Gary would get the test results the next day and are pretty unhappy that they have to wait another day? Because, in my view, getting the results within 48 hours is unreal. About the most unreal thing about this whole episode. (And, trust me, I get waiting for news like this is the worst).

 

In a hospital setting results are faster especially if the hospital is a certified cancer center which is likely in boston.  My mom did two cancer treatments once at a local hospital and once at MD Anderson and the speed of the results were on a different level.  When she had her tumor removed at md anderson they sent the tumor down to pathology during the surgery and the surgeon go in because they didn't like the margins before they even started the reconstruction.  She got the pathology back while my sister were at lunch the next day (maybe the day after) Her first  biopsy was done by her local doctor in a small hospital and it took a week or two to get the results back.  So I can see Gary's results being as fast as they were given the setting.  

 

7 hours ago, mansonlamps said:

I'm so sorry.   I also have had cancer,  so when I had a mammogram with a questionable outcome that needed an explanation and followup conversation unceremoniously showed up in my portal late on a Friday afternoon,  I was understandably anxious.  Luckily I was able to reach one of my oncologists and she talked me off a ledge, but she was super pissed that they dump this information on patients instead of letting Dr's have the opportunity to convey it to a patient in person or over the phone.  It was apparently new legislation that most medical professionals opposed, but I guess who cares about their opinion or patients mental well being anymore?  I was furious and felt lucky that I had a caring enough physician that called me back on a Friday night. 

My mom's second biopsy (confirming her recurrence) came up on her patient portal before the doctor had called with the results as well.  I was pissed.  I got the results late at night (fortunately on a weekday) and called the doctor the next morning.  Apparently they had an old number on mom's file and had tried to call which... I guess... but they were the people that handled my moms first cancer and they certainly called my cell phone plenty of times during that.   That's when we switched hospitals... athough because of the recurrence not because of the sloppy phone work.  

My mom prefers to not wait at the hospital so she always gets her CT results in the office the next day but they are always trying to convince her to do it as a one day thing.  Just for her waiting at home for 24 hours is less stressful than sitting in the hospital waiting.  

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16 hours ago, circumvent said:

They don't have other friends either

How on earth would they have time for other friends?  

Wasn't Danny staying for Spring Break?  How long was Danny's spring break because Eddie said it had been a couple of weeks since they found the lump.  

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9 minutes ago, CrystalBlue said:

 

Eddie is going to have to move out soon because Maggie's moving in with Gary, having a baby with him, get married before or after the baby, which means Eddie will probably move in with Anna.

 

I hope not.  Because I liked Anna fine until this episode.  I don't care about the nerves or the drinking I get that.  But she was SO SO SO bad at celebrity.   I'll put up with a lot of things in another person but being bad at game night?  Nope.   Sorry.   Have a nice life with somebody who is less obsessed with game night.  K.  Thanks.  Bye.  

My sister-in-law hates games.  She and my brother have been married 20+years.  They've raised two lovely intelligent and interesting boys and seem genuinely happy together.  But to this day I don't get how it works because I could not be with somebody who doesn't play games.... and somebody who was actively bad at them?!?!?   That would be worse.
  

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I think what wasn't clear in the episode is that there was a time jump, so a couple of days HAD passed between the surgery and the game night (and while biopsies aren't something that would require a hospital stay, it sounds like this was a removal of a large mass inside of Gary and not just a biopsy, so that WOULD most likely require an overnight stay).

I liked the episode, even if the Sophie forgiving Gary because of the cancer scare was insanely predictable. 

Also, as a side note, I know coming out as bi to your friends isn't easy, but how would surprising them with the news be preferable if you were nervous about it? That seemed very unrealistic. 

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I don't think the episode was the usual terrible stuff. I still can't stand Gary, but that's not new to me. I never liked him. The story of the cancer scare was just a plot to make him somehow forgivable, and the writers were so blatantly open about it, they had Sophie spell it out. Ridiculous. If he had cancer he would still be a criminal, but with cancer. As much as I hate disease plots, at least they could have make him suffer so much, his crime would be pondered as redeemable. Cancer scare is awful, waiting for check up results is draining (personal experience) but in this case was a cop out. meh.

I find Gina's stories tiresome sometimes but I liked that they had her mother's trauma explained. A child would easily put the whole think into a dormant state as a form of self-preservation. It is completely realistic. I was assaulted by someone I was just started to date and even though I remember the whole ordeal, I cannot, for the life of me, remember his name! at the time, I only told one person, someone who should have been a friend, and she blamed me, so I shut down. A few months later I had some professional help but I still cannot remember the name of the abuser.

Do schools in France even have the same schedule as schools in the US? The whole plot of Danny coming back was so badly planned, they now have to give the actor another vacation.

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6 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

Also, as a side note, I know coming out as bi to your friends isn't easy, but how would surprising them with the news be preferable if you were nervous about it? That seemed very unrealistic. 

I came here to comment on that too. Only on TV does everyone just happily roll with a surprise like that without having to process it for even a few minutes I’m not saying that they wouldn’t all be totally fine with it, but it’s a huge announcement that people need to process and it’s rude to just dump that on everyone completely out of the blue. 
 

I like Anna because I still have a lot of good-will for the actress from Being Erica. I feel bad for her for having to deal with all of these crazy people. 
 

I think Danny’s going to stay. I don’t even know why they sent him to Paris to begin with. Him staying with Sophie is more ludicrous than Sophie staying in that house by herself. 
 

I don’t like Greta, but it’s because I really don’t like the actress. I think she’s actually a terrible actress. All her lines sound like line readings and not natural at all. Plus she overs-enunciates everything. 

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9 hours ago, bybrandy said:

 Wasn't Danny staying for Spring Break?  How long was Danny's spring break because Eddie said it had been a couple of weeks since they found the lump.  

 

6 hours ago, circumvent said:

Do schools in France even have the same schedule as schools in the US? The whole plot of Danny coming back was so badly planned, they now have to give the actor another vacation.

I actually just googled this after reading ByBrandy's comment. Apparently Spring Break for French schools is two weeks...

https://www.edarabia.com/school-holidays-france/

(Tried to quote the relevant section but the site won't let me copy text.)

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On 4/13/2022 at 11:47 PM, historylover820 said:

Well, I got good news today about my dad's lymphoma. The doctor says he's fine--he needs to have maintenance infusions once every two months for the next two years. So we're very happy about that!

 

Glad your dad is doing well !

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9 hours ago, Whimsy said:

I came here to comment on that too. Only on TV does everyone just happily roll with a surprise like that without having to process it for even a few minutes I’m not saying that they wouldn’t all be totally fine with it, but it’s a huge announcement that people need to process and it’s rude to just dump that on everyone completely out of the blue.

 

Well that's the current climate you see on Twitter, Facebook, or whatever social media platform.   If you take a nanosecond to process a child coming out as gay or transgender or whatever,  you are automatically whatever phobe and that's that. 

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23 hours ago, cardigirl said:

The actress, Romy Rosemont, is married to Stephen Root, so I got a good laugh out of that! 

I didn't know that! That's cute! I caught Stephen Root being mentioned and thought, "Random!" But, obviously not so random.

And I love Stephen Root. I was a huge fan of Newsradio back in the day, absolutely adore Office Space (when I first watched it in college, didn't get it. After watching it again after working in an office? Oh, yeah. I have several machines that's begging for me to put a bat to. As long as I can also play "Damn, It Feels Good to Be a Gangsta"), and even like him on O Brother Where Art Thou? 

But, that's so cute!

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14 hours ago, Whimsy said:

I don’t like Greta, but it’s because I really don’t like the actress. I think she’s actually a terrible actress. All her lines sound like line readings and not natural at all. Plus she overs-enunciates everything. 

Yessss. She is so, so bad. I don’t know if it’s the goofy smile she has with every line or just that she’s so wooden. 

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On 4/15/2022 at 9:45 AM, Whimsy said:

I don’t like Greta, but it’s because I really don’t like the actress. I think she’s actually a terrible actress. All her lines sound like line readings and not natural at all. Plus she overs-enunciates everything. 

ITA and I am disturbed by her hair.  What is it with hair on this show?  We had Delilah with her hair cut by a weed whacker and the asymmetrical mess on Katherine.  Frightening! 

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The waiting room shtick is to me utterly bizarre.

Perhaps I am particularly cold hearted but I don't even wait around for family because literally there is nothing to be gained by being there. The doctor has my cell phone and can contact me when the surgery is over. Even if I wanted to be available to see them in their room afterwards there is generally a significant period of time after an operation when the patients are in the recovery area and no visitors are allowed because there are multiple patients being monitored. I can be at the hospital door to door in about 25 minutes if necessary.

 

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3 minutes ago, amarante said:

The waiting room shtick is to me utterly bizarre.

Perhaps I am particularly cold hearted but I don't even wait around for family because literally there is nothing to be gained by being there. The doctor has my cell phone and can contact me when the surgery is over. Even if I wanted to be available to see them in their room afterwards there is generally a significant period of time after an operation when the patients are in the recovery area and no visitors are allowed because there are multiple patients being monitored. I can be at the hospital door to door in about 25 minutes if necessary.

I think I mentioned this last time we were at the hospital with the gang for no reason (Katherine's head injury, I guess), but my mom had pretty major abdominal surgery a few years ago and I didn't visit her in the hospital at all (at her request; she only wanted my dad and her pastor to visit). My dad waited in the waiting room and texted us periodically to update us on her progress (they have a screen that lists each patient's status (by an assigned number; no names for privacy reasons, of course) - pre-op, in surgery, in recovery - so people waiting don't have to ask the nurses) and I saw her a couple days after she got home.

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27 minutes ago, christie said:

How old is Danny supposed to be? I find it weird (and totally unrealistic) that a teen would cook dinner for his boyfriend.

According to the AMLT wiki (which does not list a birthdate for the character) in the episode "Junior" he says he's 14; that was season 3, episode 12, so I guess he's 15 now. (Granted, I don't know for sure the timeline of the show.)

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I can believe that Danny wants to try to cook for his beau.  Do I believe that perpetual man-child Gary has more than a single pot, a single pan and a set of mismatched plates and glasses?  

No, no I do not.  And I say that as a perpetual man-child that can’t cook.

Besides the ‘This is Us’ nod, I was reminded of ‘Will & Grace’ and its dozens of game night episodes showing that they had The Best Connection Ever because they’re so good at game night.  It’d be nice to see some sort of variation or a twist on it — like, admitting, yeah, Eddie and Katherine might be great at Game Night, but their marriage actually failed because they WEREN’T that great at communicating with each other.  

Instead we get the “OMG, game night champions!  Does that mean there’s unresolved feelings?”

(I assume it’s to avoid licensing issues, so it’s always Charades and Celebrity, but I wanna see Monopoly at a TV show Game Night, because that’s when people stop being nice and start being real…)

As someone with bipolar, I can’t wait for Greta’s to be handled with the grace and subtlety of the way the show has handled every other issue.  I’m being sarcastic, but I *do* think the show has been good about handling some stuff…but, also, decidedly less good?  Like, Darcy was introduced as a vet and you could see a countdown clock above her head waiting to introduce PTSD.  Anna drinks too much once (and who *wouldn’t* at trying and failing to ingratiate themselves into this web of codependent narcissists) and she’s a danger to Eddie’s sobriety.

If the writers really wanted to switch things up, they could introduce someone with no deep underlying traumas who is relatively well-adjusted and have all the characters be completely baffled as how to interact with them.

Am I the only one who clocked it but didn’t Gary say “jokingly” to Sophie that if she wanted him to kill Peter for real, he would?  NO.  Not even as a joke, that is tremendously unfunny and just belies the fact that Gary is abusing his get out of jail (literally, in this case, because he faced no actual consequences!) free card and that is not cool.

That Stephen Root in-joke is very neat.

I also presumed that Danny and Milo being left for the night unsupervised would have lead to them doing it and am happy that it didn’t.  Danny still seems to shy for that but I could see it being a tactic to get Milo’s full attention after the cheating.

 

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4 hours ago, ams1001 said:

According to the AMLT wiki (which does not list a birthdate for the character) in the episode "Junior" he says he's 14; that was season 3, episode 12, so I guess he's 15 now. (Granted, I don't know for sure the timeline of the show.)

Thank you. That's a little younger than I thought.

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In the AA meeting, Eddie mentions about his 13-years chip. We know he got sober after Theo’s birth. This means Theo is 13yo turning 14, right?

So, can Danny really be 15 now? I always thought that Danny is several years older than Theo.

AMLT timeline is so confusing! 😵

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26 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

In the AA meeting, Eddie mentions about his 13-years chip. We know he got sober after Theo’s birth. This means Theo is 13yo turning 14, right?

So, can Danny really be 15 now? I always thought that Danny is several years older than Theo.

AMLT timeline is so confusing! 😵

Danny is a wise-beyond-his-years worldly 15-year-old and Theo acts half his age, whatever that is.  😃

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6 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

In the AA meeting, Eddie mentions about his 13-years chip. We know he got sober after Theo’s birth. This means Theo is 13yo turning 14, right?

So, can Danny really be 15 now? I always thought that Danny is several years older than Theo.

AMLT timeline is so confusing! 😵

Theo is 12; it was said a few episodes ago (I think Katherine says it in her head injury episode). 

5 hours ago, CrystalBlue said:

Danny is a wise-beyond-his-years worldly 15-year-old and Theo acts half his age, whatever that is.  😃

This is true (except when Theo is wise beyond his years; at least the kid playing Danny can sell the lines a little better; whenever Theo says something wise and philosophical in his little-kid voice I just want to go slap one of the writers).

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