S13.E19: Houston Reunion, Part 2

[Kira53]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

With "true friends" like her, who needs enemies?  I don't trust her.  She's a phony and manipulative.  It's all about her.

She is very clever and gaslights all the time.  

8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

You are so right.  Zack keeps telling the so-called "experts" that this is who Michaela is, but they are so snowed by her performance that they disagree with him and act like her volatility is a minor character flaw that with his love and support would just go away.  And Dr. Pepper supposedly has a doctorate in Psychology?  Unbelievable!  

Dr. Pepper doctorate is in Sociology.  Psychologist do not want to claim her!  She is not a therapist, she has no license to treat people.  She can't lose her license because she doesn't have a license.  No wonder she feels free to be unethical by pushing Zack to be with a crazy woman.  Dr. Pepper gaslighting Zack.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Kira53
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[Stinamaia]

8 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Bao and Zack.  Whatever.  I thought it was pretty hypocritical of Bao to tell Johnny to "knock it off" when she and Zack are dating.   At least Johnny and Myrla say they're friends and I can believe that. 

Speaking of Zack, he's got a jumpy, spastic nature about him that's off putting and he's as bad as Michaela throwing in curse words so often.  At first I felt sorry for him being married to her, but now I don't like him at all.  And even if he's dating Bao, I still think he'd slink around to have sex with Michaela if she let him.    

 

Rachel is the one who told him to back off. 

[Lindz]

Interesting how Michaela is empathetic and a sympathetic crier. So unfortunate that she's good in that area and bad in reacting to mistakes. She really screwed her marriage & deep down she knows it.

[Lindz]

Again. They know how the others are. So I doubt Gil would even think about going for Michaela after what he WITNESSED at the dance lesson & couples' retreat. He knows she's crazy & wants no part of it. 😂😂

[Lindz]

Now that the season is over, I can say I hated Rachel's laugh and didn't mind her slow talk. And Brett's exposed boobs were too much for me & I wish she covered them up. I can't say that's costing her men & such. I don't know. Hopefully next season has easier names to spell. People have been misspelling names up until the last day. Wait. That's not just this season. 😂😂

[pdlinda]

33 minutes ago, Lindz said:

Brett's exposed boobs were too much for me & I wish she covered them up.

I agree with you and liken Brett's visual "burn" to Clara's "root rot" of dark hair peering out of her platinum part line throughout last season.  Both tasteless and "trashy" and unavoidable to the viewing audience and their husbands.  

I noticed Brett covering up more in the "Where are they Now" show that apparently was filmed a few weeks after the reunion show.

[Lindz]

Who caused their marriage to fail? Michaela, Johnny, Ryan, José, and Myrla. Who wasn't in the marriage? Zack, Johnny, Ryan, and Myrla. I want to know who was recruited besides Myrla & from WHERE. 😅

[Jax7917]

Now it makes sense why Johnny said yes on decision day . He missed being on camera and wanted to be on couples cam . Bao doesn’t want him so now he’s trying with Myrla . Anything to get another 15 minutes ! 
 

Johnny and Myrla are such pieces of shit , honestly . And give me a freakin break . If Johnny were originally matched with Myrla , he’d find a million reasons to put her down and blame her for everything . They’re only giggly together now because they’re besties and he has no say over her hygiene or anything she does in her life . 
They were acting so disrespectful and immature in front of Gil and I want them both to get slapped by the hurricane that is Michaela . 

[Blissfool]

On 11/24/2021 at 7:53 PM, mythoughtis said:

 

so what Johnny is really upset about is that he wanted to be a movie star and  she wanted their private talks to be private. Plus she tries to think about  what she says before she says it.   She’s mature, he is not.  

I think I can understand where Johnny is coming from here. It seems like Johnny couldn't discuss anything with producers/experts until he and Bao agreed on what they'd say first. He wanted to be organic. She wanted to come up with something that sounded good. So, in an effort to honor her wishes, he felt stifled and felt like he was telling untruths to the producers/experts.

What I don't get is that if he was running everything by Bao first, how did we get to hear so much Bao negativity from him?

Eh, he's full of it! But yes, I believe that Bao is controlling and/or manipulative.

 

On 11/24/2021 at 9:28 PM, buttersister said:

Bao: I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to put your private parts out there or to wing anything. Points for protecting yourself because Johnny sucks.
 

Bao wanted to be discreet because her family and coworkers are watching, yet we saw so much bedtime intimacy from them compared to what we saw of any of the other couples. Some of their scenes, especially that clip where she's dressed like a nurse, reminded me of low-budget porn. (or so I've heard 😉)

 

[bref]

Spoiler

From Mikaela's IG post linked above that showed photos of her hanging out with Gil:

"Edit: Aht, aht. Some of us have too much respect for the process & the work the experts put in to try and date someone within this very unique little MAFS universe. Especially after seeing people plan their future together in real time; Some cast members do not share this same sentiment. But some of us have a moral code when it comes to dating. Let's normalize healthy, male-female platonic relationships. 💜"

The phrase "respect for the process" makes me want to headdesk.

 

[Chalby]

I've come to the conclusion that the more shallow, attention seeking participants were excited to even be at the reunion. mural came across drunk, and Johnny was flippant and loving the fact that he and Myrla have a deep connection. Ryan, Myrla, and Johnny (and Michayla) are equal when it comes to gaslighting their match.

I'm hoping for Brett and Gil and Bao and Zach (name?) (Maybe Rachel and Jose if he could quit controlling and criticizing) and anyone else not buying into this fake nonsense.

After listening to them speak, BLECH goes out to Myrla, Johnny, and Ryan/Zach. Even Rachel warned Johnny to knock his flippant attitude off.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Chalby

[Chalby]

28 minutes ago, bref said:

  Reveal spoiler

From Mikaela's IG post linked above that showed photos of her hanging out with Gil:

"Edit: Aht, aht. Some of us have too much respect for the process & the work the experts put in to try and date someone within this very unique little MAFS universe. Especially after seeing people plan their future together in real time; Some cast members do not share this same sentiment. But some of us have a moral code when it comes to dating. Let's normalize healthy, male-female platonic relationships. 💜"

The phrase "respect for the process" makes me want to headdesk.

 

To me, this group of gals is ignoring girl code, rather than support each other and help them succeed in their relationships. Perhaps they're fine with swapping husbands, potential partners, but it bothers me.

[Yeah No]

8 hours ago, Spectator said:

I’m glad one of these cast members finally made referenced “guy code” or “girl code”. Bottom line, you don’t date your friends exes (unless all parties are totally over the old relationship and ok with the new one - then I suppose it’s ok…but) - all this partner swapping is just a big fat no no

Some of the partner swapping this season feels fake and producer driven to me.  I say "some" because I think Bao and Zack are genuine.  I think the others are doing it perhaps to earn more bonus checks. 

[Chalby]

1 hour ago, Jax7917 said:

Now it makes sense why Johnny and myrla are such pieces of shit , honestly . And give me a freakin break, if Johnny were originally matched with Myrla , he’d find a million reasons to put her down and blame her for everything . They’re only giggly together now because they’re besties and he has no say over her hygiene or anything she does in her life . 
They were acting so disrespectful and immature in front of Gil and I want them both to get slapped by the hurricane that is Michaela . 

Thank you for summarizing my thoughts. Such self- involved jerks, hey?

[Blissfool]

10 hours ago, Boo Boo said:

Johnny and Myrla are disrespectful as fuck and they certainly act like a couple.  

I don't think they act like a couple. I think they act like mean-girl besties that like to shop together, brunch together, and giggle at inside jokes together.

[After7Only]

11 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I could have sworn it was Bao who said something like knock it off or cool it to Johnny.  I'd like to find the clip. 

I still didn't like her sitting there with the group looking all innocent, when she's dating Zack.  Johnny is right.  She IS fake AF. 

I believe there was a significant gap in time between reunion part 2 and the where are they now special (likely months) So it’s also likely/possible they weren’t dating yet.

1 hour ago, Blissfool said:

 

What I don't get is that if he was running everything by Bao first, how did we get to hear so much Bao negativity from him?

 

 

I didn’t quite understand that either.  Maybe Bao planned the scenes they’d film beforehand.   But after she’s goes off script the first time,  Johnny should have felt free to not honor their “agreement” and say whatever he wanted going forward.    Johnny still can’t come up with much in examples of Bao’s fake behavior or how she was different on camera vs off camera.

 

[Racj82]

I get tired of people like Bao on shows like this. Constantly trying to dictate what can and can't be shown. Trying to create their own narrative. To be clear, Johnny was even worse in that regard.

If privacy is so important, if your reputation is so important, if how you are viewed by your family is so important don't go on a reality show task with following the ins and outs of your new marriage to a stranger. Don't go on reality TV at all. We never get the full story with these people because of shit like this on top of producer shenanigans.

I don't blame people for not wanting to talk about what goes on in the bedroom on tv. I blame people for coming on THIS show and being so closed off about it. There is always a way to talk about this stuff without being graphic anyway.

This show is always filled with people that are either too shallow, impatient, closed off or private to make good marriage lot alone one under these circumstances. 

The ones that work only work because the people involved were willing to change and grow. They were willing to go in with a open mind with not too many walls up. 

[greeneyedscorpio]

12 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I could have sworn it was Bao who said something like knock it off or cool it to Johnny.  I'd like to find the clip. 

I still didn't like her sitting there with the group looking all innocent, when she's dating Zack.  Johnny is right.  She IS fake AF. 

It was Rachel that said it.  

The difference is that Bao and Zach weren't sitting there rubbing anyone's face in the fact that they're dating.  And even if they'd made it known, Johnny couldn't have cared less.  They didn't parade it in front of Michaela bc they're not trash humans. Quite different from how Myrla was acting, knowing Gil was hurt.  She's cruel.  Perfect match for Johnny. 

[Chalby]

1 hour ago, After7Only said:

I believe there was a significant gap in time between reunion part 2 and the where are they now special (likely months) So it’s also likely/possible they weren’t dating yet.

I didn’t quite understand that either.  Maybe Bao planned the scenes they’d film beforehand.   But after she’s goes off script the first time,  Johnny should have felt free to not honor their “agreement” and say whatever he wanted going forward.    Johnny still can’t come up with much in examples of Bao’s fake behavior or how she was different on camera vs off camera.

 

Johnny is fake, fake, (as is Myrla) and he's just looking to act out some drama victim mentality, hoping to get sympathy. instead he looked two-faced and emotionally vacant. Ye said the cruelest things in the confessionals and to her. I don't know how she even tolerated his presence. But I do understand her with another cast member as there are a couple of men (gil, zach, ryan) who hate the high drama, and emotional vampire behavior.

1 hour ago, Blissfool said:

I don't think they act like a couple. I think they act like mean-girl besties that like to shop together, brunch together, and giggle at inside jokes together.

exactly!!

Edited November 26, 2021 by Chalby

[kristen111]

20 hours ago, Lindz said:

Myrla thinks she didn't mislead Gil & did nothing wrong blindsiding him, like Zack thinks he didn't mislead Michaela. WTF is wrong with him?!! & the fool said he's still looking for his perfect woman. 😫 KF should've asked the fool what he was doing if he wasn't misleading her. The fool couldn't even tell a coherent story about what happened after DD. Again. WTF is wrong with him?!!! I think back to Bao explaining how no on DD means they're done & calling Zack's BS meaning in her TH... so why would she date a bser?!!! She KNOWS how he is, so WHY?!! She needs to watch the reunion to see more of his BS cuz that's what's in store. Him denying he led her on. He has a relationship with everyone in the room... BS!!! I mean, at this point they deserve what they get because they KNOW what the person does. Makes no sense!

On Decision Day, Myrla said, “I choose to stay with my husband” looking adoringly at Gil.  Two weeks later, she says I only want him to be happy, then splits.  Guess Johnny gave her the o.k.

[spunky]

19 hours ago, Spectator said:

I’m glad one of these cast members finally made referenced “guy code” or “girl code”. Bottom line, you don’t date your friends exes (unless all parties are totally over the old relationship and ok with the new one - then I suppose it’s ok…but) - all this partner swapping is just a big fat no no

I agree. On another post she asked people to stop making light of the fact that Gil has a therapist and she once again shaded Myrla/Johnny,  Bao/Zach by saying "some people have a moral compass" and people need to stop telling people to get together. She also said that a psychiatrist diagnosed her with ADHD and Anxiety.

Edited November 26, 2021 by spunky

[spunky]

13 hours ago, Lindz said:

Again. They know how the others are. So I doubt Gil would even think about going for Michaela after what he WITNESSED at the dance lesson & couples' retreat. He knows she's crazy & wants no part of it. 😂😂

She said in one of her posts that she and Gil are friends because he held her accountable during the whole process. She's also against all the partner swapping going on.

[Alexander Pope]

13 minutes ago, spunky said:

I agree. On another post she asked people to stop making light of the fact that Gil has a therapist and she once again shaded Myrla/Johnny,  Bao/Zach by saying "some people have a moral compass" and people need to stop telling people to get together. She also said that a psychiatrist diagnosed her with ADHD and Anxiety.

It's good that Michaela is seeing a shrink.  Whatever her diagnoses may be, they don't excuse her behavior with Zach.  Does anyone else remember that he said she broke a car window in her rage after Decision Day?  I don't think he is making that up.  Don't get me wrong, Zach had his own role to play in the disaster that was their marriage.  But making herself the victim here because of her trauma is not going to fly.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Alexander Pope
to be fair

[Crashcourse]

9 hours ago, greeneyedscorpio said:

It was Rachel that said it.  

Yes, and apparently you didn't read my previous post where I corrected and said it was Rachel.   

[Crashcourse]

14 hours ago, Stinamaia said:

Rachel is the one who told him to back off.

It would have made sense if you had read my previous post where I corrected and said it was Rachel.  

[Crashcourse]

12 hours ago, Blissfool said:

Bao wanted to be discreet because her family and coworkers are watching, yet we saw so much bedtime intimacy from them compared to what we saw of any of the other couples. Some of their scenes, especially that clip where she's dressed like a nurse, reminded me of low-budget porn. (or so I've heard 😉)

 

And let's not forget her crawling all over him on the bed. 

[spunky]

17 minutes ago, Alexander Pope said:

It's good that Michaela is seeing a shrink.  Whatever her diagnoses may be, they don't excuse her behavior with Zach.  Does anyone else remember that he said she broke a car window in her rage after Decision Day?  I don't think he is making that up.  Don't get me wrong, Zach had his own role to play in the disaster that was their marriage.  But making herself the victim here because of her trauma is not going to fly.

She actually said that she's responsible for her actions. She revealed her diagnosis because she was told that her ADHD was the reason for her poor impulse control. She said in her comment to a fan that she did not like what she saw and she's working on controlling her behavior and improving her mental health. 

[Alexander Pope]

2 minutes ago, spunky said:

She actually said that she's responsible for her actions. She revealed her diagnosis because she was told that her ADHD was the reason for her poor impulse control. She said in her comment to a fan that she did not like what she saw and she's working on controlling her behavior and improving her mental health. 

that is really good to hear--thank you.  I wish the experts had held her accountable so that this might have happened sooner.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Alexander Pope

[spunky]

12 minutes ago, Alexander Pope said:

that is really good to hear--thank you.  I wish the experts had held her accountable so that this might have happened sooner.

I give her credit for  accepting responsibility for her actions.  She could have done like Chris from last season and blamed her behavior on everyone else around her. I also think her giving Gil credit for holding her accountable is a sign of maturity.

[Retired at last]

I understand the lack of impulse control as a part of ADHD, however, I do not believe that is what her major problem is. Anxiety, yes, but there is a lot more. I am glad she is getting help, though. Maybe the dr. is starting with diagnoses she can handle first?

If Gil is seeing a therapist, I hope it is a real one and not just someone who wanted to practice in the park on television. At least he isn't seeing Dr. Pepper or Viv.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, spunky said:

Myrla/Johnny,  Bao/Zach by saying "some people have a moral compass" and people need to stop telling people to get together. She also said that a psychiatrist diagnosed her with ADHD and Anxiety.

Truthfully these 10 people are not friends, they are acquaintances.  They may never see each other again now that filming is done. Although a few might.   in particular Bao and Michaela were never friends. I’m not so sure that Johnny and Gil were ever all that interested in being friends with each other either.   Think about who actually interacted with who  in small groups rather than the entire  group on a required filming day. 
The problem is that Gil was deeply hurt by Myrla  and then Myrla and Johnny rubbed their ‘ whatever ‘ in   front of Gil in person meanly and then laughed about it also in front of him.  When you know someone is hurting, you at least try to be  respectful about your new relationships. Bao and Zach waited to date until after the reunion and have not ( as far as we know) been in the same room with Michaela and laughed at her expense. 

[Kira53]

14 hours ago, Lindz said:

Interesting how Michaela is empathetic and a sympathetic crier. So unfortunate that she's good in that area and bad in reacting to mistakes. 

People like her are deceptive and fake empathy very well, which pulls people into relationships with them.  Her sisters are deceived.

12 hours ago, Chalby said:

To me, this group of gals is ignoring girl code, rather than support each other and help them succeed in their relationships. Perhaps they're fine with swapping husbands, potential partners, but it bothers me.

These are not love matches so I can’t see serious girl code violations.  The women are not old friends either.  

1 hour ago, spunky said:

I agree. On another post she asked people to stop making light of the fact that Gil has a therapist and she once again shaded Myrla/Johnny,  Bao/Zach by saying "some people have a moral compass" and people need to stop telling people to get together. She also said that a psychiatrist diagnosed her with ADHD and Anxiety.

 

16 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

I understand the lack of impulse control as a part of ADHD, however, I do not believe that is what her major problem is. Anxiety, yes, but there is a lot more. I am glad she is getting help, though. Maybe the dr. is starting with diagnoses she can handle first?

If Gil is seeing a therapist, I hope it is a real one and not just someone who wanted to practice in the park on television. At least he isn't seeing Dr. Pepper or Viv.

 You are so perceptive.  People like Michaela leave therapy right away if you tell them what is their primary diagnoses.  Occasionally they come in saying they need dialectic behavioral treatment and so they have some idea about their true primary diagnosis. But that’s pretty rare.   ADHD is acceptable to them.

[cinsays]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

If Gil is seeing a therapist, I hope it is a real one and not just someone who wanted to practice in the park on television. At least he isn't seeing Dr. Pepper or Viv.

amen!

[gingerandcloves]

I'm not a psychiatrist by any means, but I know plenty of people with ADHD and/or anxiety and none of them have ever behaved like Michaela. I hope you're right, that the therapy will lead her into some deeper introspection and recognition of her issues. She needs to stop blaming all her behavioral problems on the fact that her father died. 

Edited November 26, 2021 by gingerandcloves

[greeneyedscorpio]

3 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Yes, and apparently you didn't read my previous post where I corrected and said it was Rachel.   

Sorry, Myrla!  I posted before I read that post. 

[Maximadc]

I think Michaella was diagnosed with BPD or something similar long time ago probably back in school. I can’t believe that she has been flying under the radar for all these years. However she decided not reveal this fact during the selection process to increase her chances.

Now she pretends that this is just ADHD and we have to believe that.

Even the way she think and explain herself tells me that we only saw a tip of the iceberg, but her husband was terrified by the experience with her. 
By the way, that conversation behind the closed door, I’m pretty sure she was trying physically stop him from leaving, and he told her not to do it.

[spunky]

3 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Truthfully these 10 people are not friends, they are acquaintances.  They may never see each other again now that filming is done. Although a few might.   in particular Bao and Michaela were never friends. I’m not so sure that Johnny and Gil were ever all that interested in being friends with each other either.   Think about who actually interacted with who  in small groups rather than the entire  group on a required filming day. 
The problem is that Gil was deeply hurt by Myrla  and then Myrla and Johnny rubbed their ‘ whatever ‘ in   front of Gil in person meanly and then laughed about it also in front of him.  When you know someone is hurting, you at least try to be  respectful about your new relationships. Bao and Zach waited to date until after the reunion and have not ( as far as we know) been in the same room with Michaela and laughed at her expense. 

I agree that most of them are not friends. Gil is her friend so I understand her being disgusted by Myrla and Johnny's behavior. Even though they're not friends I still understand her being hurt by Bao and Zach dating.

[Lindz]

Zack & Myrla are prime examples of why people should not only ask what someone's words mean, but also their actions cuz these two... SMH. Idk who was the worst offender. Zack is so dismissive it's disgusting. Myrla tried claiming she was upfront. They're so awful.

[LuvMyShows]

28 minutes ago, spunky said:

She actually said that she's responsible for her actions. She revealed her diagnosis because she was told that her ADHD was the reason for her poor impulse control. She said in her comment to a fan that she did not like what she saw and she's working on controlling her behavior and improving her mental health. 

But we actually already heard that repeatedly from her throughout the whole season.  After every blow-up, she said the same thing.  It just started sounding like "blah blah my behavior not acceptable, blah blah going to work on it", and not a damn thing changed.

9 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

I understand the lack of impulse control as a part of ADHD, however, I do not believe that is what her major problem is.

Amen.  And it is not just the out-of-control Hurricane K that she need to get control of, it's something far more insidious and destructive, as I'll try to explain...

Recall that after that first argument, about Zack not leaving a note when he went to take the dog, that when they sat down to discuss it, she said to him, "You're a god-damn lying motherf*cker", and this was when they were discussing it calmly. 

Now fast-forward to the reunion show, when all the cast came together near the end and she sat at the opposite end from Zack.  When she was talking about that get-away where Zack left early, she was lamenting that she asked him to just wait until morning, so he knew how she felt yet he left anyway, and she said that was "hurtful, mean, and vindictive" for Zack to leave.  That is literally crazy, especially when she repeatedly told him to "get out".  It was obvious from watching that he was desperate to get away, for his own well-being, and not motivated by trying to accomplish something cruel against Mikaela. But in trying to have a conversation about it, her main focus seems to be scoring some imaginary victim points for her, while simultaneously framing it to remove points for him for whatever grievous infractions she perceives he has inflicted upon her.

After he explained that indeed he left for him and it wasn't about her, she said that at the time, she had expressed how she felt and had asked to be acknowledged in that feeling (which, for the record, we never saw her ask for that).  So then she had to double- or triple-down by saying "He don't give a f*ck.  He don't care.  You don't care, and you never cared about me".  So when he replied by saying, "I'm so sorry that I hurt you; that was never my intent..." she simply interrupted him and smugly said, "He don't mean that sh*t.  Shut up."  Wow.  Just completely dismissive of anything and everything that doesn't fit with the carefully constructed me-as-victim/him-as-bad-guy narrative that she has been nurturing as dutifully as one would a new seedling.

I believe that she might actually be able to eventually get the Hurricane behavior under control by sheer willpower, but she will NEVER, EVER change the underlying bat-sh*t crazy, self-destructive, deluded, sabotaging behavior that is the true underpinning of all her thought processes and resulting utterances.

[Jax7917]

I think the “ experts “ should try something different since their reasoning for their matches has not worked out after all these seasons . Stop matching opposites in hope that they will complement each other . That hasn’t seemed to work and it’s never going to . Matching people based on similarities and common interests will work better . They think matching a hunter with a vegetarian would be good because they’ll balance each other out . No . They’re just gonna hate and resent each other . ( This is just an example of what the experts do  by the way . I’m not saying it actually happened .) 

Or .. try matching based on what the person finds physically attractive . They make it seem like doing that will be giving in to their “ type “ and that attraction isn’t the only thing that matters . But we’ve seen enough seasons where one person isn’t attracted to the other and it never works out because the person can’t look past it . Attraction isn’t the only thing that matters but it is absolutely important and we’ve seen that time after time. 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Jax7917

[Lindz]

I wonder if Zack actually believes he didn't lead Michaela on or if he's just denying he misled her because he thinks people will blame her being crazy on him misleading her or he doesn't want to take responsibility for doing that. 🤔 They're two separate things. He's responsible for what he did wrong & she's responsible for what she did wrong, neither caused the other's wrongs.

[Lindz]

It's unfortunate Gil & Michaela didn't finish the reunion. I'm not sure anything could've gotten Gil to a better headspace, but Johnny & Myrla definitely made it worse. He probably would've made it if they weren't acting so stupid.

[Lindz]

Zack leaving the retreat showed putting yourself first. He was right to leave. Her saying he didn't care, he never cared was right, but was not applicable to that. That didn't demonstrate that because that wasn't about him caring about her, that was for his own well-being. You gotta choose yourself. If she hadn't STARTED the whole thing, saying stupid stuff & acting a damn fool, he wouldn't have left. It's all her fault!!! 😅😂 

[Maximadc]

10 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

But we actually already heard that repeatedly from her throughout the whole season.  After every blow-up, she said the same thing.  It just started sounding like "blah blah my behavior not acceptable, blah blah going to work on it", and not a damn thing changed.

Amen.  And it is not just the out-of-control Hurricane K that she need to get control of, it's something far more insidious and destructive, as I'll try to explain...

Recall that after that first argument, about Zack not leaving a note when he went to take the dog, that when they sat down to discuss it, she said to him, "You're a god-damn lying motherf*cker", and this was when they were discussing it calmly. 

Now fast-forward to the reunion show, when all the cast came together near the end and she sat at the opposite end from Zack.  When she was talking about that get-away where Zack left early, she was lamenting that she asked him to just wait until morning, so he knew how she felt yet he left anyway, and she said that was "hurtful, mean, and vindictive" for Zack to leave.  That is literally crazy, especially when she repeatedly told him to "get out".  It was obvious from watching that he was desperate to get away, for his own well-being, and not motivated by trying to accomplish something cruel against Mikaela. But in trying to have a conversation about it, her main focus seems to be scoring some imaginary victim points for her, while simultaneously framing it to remove points for him for whatever grievous infractions she perceives he has inflicted upon her.

After he explained that indeed he left for him and it wasn't about her, she said that at the time, she had expressed how she felt and had asked to be acknowledged in that feeling (which, for the record, we never saw her ask for that).  So then she had to double- or triple-down by saying "He don't give a f*ck.  He don't care.  You don't care, and you never cared about me".  So when he replied by saying, "I'm so sorry that I hurt you; that was never my intent..." she simply interrupted him and smugly said, "He don't mean that sh*t.  Shut up."  Wow.  Just completely dismissive of anything and everything that doesn't fit with the carefully constructed me-as-victim/him-as-bad-guy narrative that she has been nurturing as dutifully as one would a new seedling.

I believe that she might actually be able to eventually get the Hurricane behavior under control by sheer willpower, but she will NEVER, EVER change the underlying bat-sh*t crazy, self-destructive, deluded, sabotaging behavior that is the true underpinning of all her thought processes and resulting utterances.

1000%

She needs to see a psychiatrist not a psychologist 

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 11/24/2021 at 9:38 PM, TheBride said:

The more I see of Myrla, the more I don't like her. I agree with the experts, she's not cut out for marriage. Even when she speaks about the dog she's getting....no slobbering, no fur, no this...no that. Hey, why get a dog? So you can put it in a Gucci bag and walk down the street? 

Maybe she wants the companionship but not slobber and fur?  Why shouldn't she be able to pick what kind of dog she wants? 

[Katie111]

12 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Maybe she wants the companionship but not slobber and fur?  Why shouldn't she be able to pick what kind of dog she wants? 

Totally agree. I am not a dog person but got one for my kids.  We have a very similar dog to Myrla’s.  Doesn’t shed, doesn’t drool and barely barks.  She is a totally cuddle bug  and I love her to death.  I have friends with slobbering dogs and big dogs and I have no interest in them.   Gil’s dog seemed great but I have zero interest in owning a pit bull.  

Edited November 27, 2021 by Katie111

[cinsays]

23 minutes ago, Katie111 said:

Totally agree. I am not a dog person but got one for my kids.  We have a very similar dog to Myrla’s.  Doesn’t shed, doesn’t drool and barely barks.  She is a totally cuddle bug  and I love her to death.  I have friends with slobbering dogs and big dogs and I have no interest in them.   Gil’s dog seemed great but I have zero interest in owning a pit bull.  

what breed is it?  sounds like my kind of dog

[Mercolleen]

On 11/24/2021 at 9:03 PM, Kira53 said:

Pastor Cal is  full of crap.  About Michaela.  Nothing could have worked with Michaela. 

Right?!? How dare he blame Michaela's insane reactions on Zach?

[LuvMyShows]

On 11/24/2021 at 9:03 PM, Kira53 said:

Pastor Cal is  full of crap.  About Michaela.  Nothing could have worked with Michaela.  Dr. Pocohantas is just stupid.

...and about his view on marriage.  He said something like, the point of marriage isn't to be happy, it's to achieve goals together.  Say what, now?  Achieving goals is what you focus on with a personal trainer, or a mentor, or your work team.  If you're not happy (overall) in your marriage, then with rare exception, why the heck would you stay?  Sure, it would be nice to achieve "couples goals", I guess, but what would the point be if it resulted in unhappiness together?

[Retired at last]

I do think (hope) Michaela has probably been in treatment for a long time, but she needs years more. If the dr. she is going to thinks it is just ADHD, she needs a new dr. But, that is probably all she can handle. And, I agree - she says the words she thinks she needs to say about being accountable, but she can't be, because she still tries to blame everyone else, for abandoning her and triggering her issues. And, I still say that her father didn't abandon her - he was killed! Abandonment is, to me, when someone chooses to leave the situation. He didn't. She was not abandoned. It will take years for her to be ready for a relationship, but I truly hopes she gets there.