AnnaMayWong October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Tamra was not 'intoxicated' during the Naked Wasted episode. She was deliberative in her actions. (the scenes between Tamra and her son, Ryan, were particularly disturbing) Tamra has methodically enacted snidely, and with a vicious UNPROVOKED cruelty toward Quinn, Gretchen, Lynn, Jeanna, Shannon,... And, she is not at all sorry or regretful of her foul and, oft-times, jealousy based malevolent harping and manoeuvres. That is the Tamra that we have seen. She enjoys wielding weaponry comprised of the hurtful, the brutal. She creepily relishes sowing misery. And, Tamra reaps fiendish pleasures in subjecting others to suffering. That is the Tamra that we have seen. Up to this point, any remorseful public demeanor is a sham. *my post is not an endorsement for/of ANY Ho'wife *my post does not diminish the sorry-ass behaviors of any other Ho'wife 11 Link to comment
AnnaMayWong October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Furthermore, on the actual program, Tamra MAY allow herself to be a bit buzzed, periodically. However, she does NOT allow herself to become drunk. There is too much to cunningly manipulate. Now, sometimes, she feigns inebriation in furtherance of the initiation or the completion of her malicious goals. But, the "I was drunk, therefore I..." is not applicable in her chicanery(ies). 4 Link to comment
AnnaMayWong October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 *P.S.: It must be pointed out that Tamra's victims Do Not COMMENCE wrongdoings against her. 3 Link to comment
FozzyBear October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 IIRC, Vicki was involved in planning naked wasted, no? Not really. Tamara told her the plan and Vicki did this "oh Tamara, you so crazy" type of reaction. To this day, I'm not sure if Vicki thought she was serious or not, but I think (I could be wrong) that Vicki was with Lynn trying to give Gretchen water a few times. Tamara would actually take the water and replace it with a tequila shot when Gretchen wasn't looking. I don't remember Vicki really being involved or even acting like she was on Tamara's side about that one. I could be totally wrong, but my memory was that evil was brought to you by Tamara, Simon, and Ryan. 7 Link to comment
MatildaMoody October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 (edited) Not really. Tamara told her the plan and Vicki did this "oh Tamara, you so crazy" type of reaction. To this day, I'm not sure if Vicki thought she was serious or not, but I think (I could be wrong) that Vicki was with Lynn trying to give Gretchen water a few times. Tamara would actually take the water and replace it with a tequila shot when Gretchen wasn't looking. I don't remember Vicki really being involved or even acting like she was on Tamara's side about that one. I could be totally wrong, but my memory was that evil was brought to you by Tamara, Simon, and Ryan. Yeah, I don't remember Vicki being involved either. I think she gave her an eye roll when Tamra told her the plan. I believe both Lynn and Jeanna each tried to get Gretchen to leave with them. I also remember that was the episode that Brian Malarky of Top Chef catered the dinner. It was supposed to be a 7 course meal so Tamra could show off her etiquette lessons (BWAH!). It was also when Vicki made one of her famous gagging noises because there was seafood on the menu. One other thing about that episode that I remember was Vicki trying to get her mom to say "I love you" to her on camera. At the time it was pretty funny because Vicki was all "I love you" and her mom was all "thank you," Now, it actually seems pretty sad. ETA: I was doing some research trying to see if I could find a recap of Naked Wasted to refresh my memory and came across a blog post that Gretchen had up on her personal site. She took it down after Tamra asked her to when they became friends, but someone grabbed it before she removed it. From Starcasm: “First of all let me state this very clearly, Tamra changes her story according to how it best suites her in that moment. I have honestly never met anyone so contradictory in my life (or someone that just plan lies to your face)Let’s address some of Tamra’s “stories” as I like to call them. She states that I asked her and Simon to have a threesome the night of the dinner party in the very late hours of that dinner, but contradictory to that claim, she sent me several texts after seeing that footage, stating that she was appalled at what she said about getting me “naked wasted” and that she was so drunk she had no idea she said those things at all. So if that was the case, then how convenient for her now, all of a sudden to have a clear mind that night and remember that she supposedly heard me say I wanted to have a threesome? Maybe that’s a fantasy of hers, but it surly is not mine. I did not know that Tamra went as far as accusing Gretchen of asking for a threesome. The very idea gives me the shudders. Edited October 16, 2015 by MatildaMoody 3 Link to comment
zoeysmom October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Not really. Tamara told her the plan and Vicki did this "oh Tamara, you so crazy" type of reaction. To this day, I'm not sure if Vicki thought she was serious or not, but I think (I could be wrong) that Vicki was with Lynn trying to give Gretchen water a few times. Tamara would actually take the water and replace it with a tequila shot when Gretchen wasn't looking. I don't remember Vicki really being involved or even acting like she was on Tamara's side about that one. I could be totally wrong, but my memory was that evil was brought to you by Tamara, Simon, and Ryan. I think that was Jeana giving her water-Vicki and Donn were across the table and closer to Tamra. I am surprised Vicki and Donn stayed awake for the whole evening. I recall Simon telling Gretchen to shut her Goddamn mouth when she interrupted his didactic presentation of the fine art of tequila sipping vs. mainlining it. Donn seemed pretty on board with the idea Gretchen shut up. Although Gretchen got herself appalling drunk-Tamra had a duty to tie up her horndog son if she offered Gretchen a place to sleep it off. I don't recall Simon having anything but disgust for Gretchen, I never saw him being terribly supportive of the naked wasted plan. Years later when Tamra tried to explain it, she made herself out worse than when it originally aired. 1 Link to comment
chenoa333 October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 (edited) What have any of these ladies done to make us dislike them? Nothing. They are reality tv "stars" and they chose to be scrutinized, judged, commented on etc. As Tamra said to Vicki "it's an opinion. Why are you the only one allowed to have an opinion?" Probably the only smart thing Tamra has ever said. Edited October 16, 2015 by chenoa333 4 Link to comment
AnnaMayWong October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) Per the NAKED WASTED episode, Gretchen was goodly inebriated, but not naked wasted despite Tamra's sinister attempts. However, one of the stranger scenarios occurred when Gretchen, Tamra, and Ryan were grouped outside of the Barney home. Ryan was delivering a few sleazy compliments to Gretchen. One of the sleaziments referenced Gretchen as The Hottest Housewife. Then, ugh, Tamra hung her head, pouted, and bemoaned Ryan's belief that he no longer considered Tamra, HIS MOTHER(!), the hottest of the OC housewives. Gretchen then (haha!) declared the interlude betwixt Ryan and Tamra to be weird as Ryan weakly placated his dear ole mum. Fellow Posters, THAT was not acting. THAT was ONE of the weirdest, skin-'crawlingest', 'oh shit!' moments that I have EVER witnessed. Amazing. ~ Edited October 17, 2015 by BookElitist 7 Link to comment
zoeysmom October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 It seems Ryan and Sarah have taken their battles to Instagram. Ryan really is a piece of work. Does anyone belive he works 12 hours a day? http://starcasm.net/archives/331658 3 Link to comment
Kiss my mutt October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 That's too bad though did any of us expect any different? I wonder if Sarah gets any child support from ny of the dads. Ryan criticizing her for having babies with 4 different guys? I think it's yucky but he knew this going in. Tamra was out spending money on nose jobs,and boob jobs instead of raising Ryan though he could he turned out worse under her care. I feel sorry that Sarah's girls get to see all the mama drama. 4 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Lol! Tamra thinks she is truly smarter than we all are. Tamra said in a tweet she didn't know Dr. Oz was going to ask her about her cancer/not cancer. How would Dr. Oz know about her cancer/not cancer unless Tamra told him about it? https://twitter.com/TamraBarney/status/655546302856433664 4 Link to comment
breezy424 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Let's face it. Tamra is one screwed up person. Is she as screwed up as Vicks? That's a debate in of itself. Both Ryan and Brianna are screwed up in their own way, but given their mothers, it's no surprise. Nope, I'm not excusing Ryan....or even Brianna but look at who their role models were growing up. It's just sad. 5 Link to comment
Lady Grump October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Well, by your own admission, you didn't see the episode. Exactly, I didn't see it. Which is why I am not going to judge someone based on what other people say. But beyond that, I think I'm done commenting on these housewives shows. Doing so only brings out the worst in myself -- and I find myself exceptionally disillusioned with the world when I read these comments. I want to be a better person than one that comments ruthlessly about reality stars I've never met outside of a produced TV drama. Go ahead, tear me down for saying that. I'd expect nothing less. 2 Link to comment
Almost 3000 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 I think its been a really bad OC season that makes it hard to post anything about the show because not much of it was real and most of it nasty much like ATL and NJ. Beverly Hills was too this year but there's still real estate porn and wealth to pretty it up and NYC is rather campy and that saves it. The OC has just become sad and that makes HW and posters testy. 2 Link to comment
AnnaMayWong October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 When Tamra lobbed her alcoholic beverage in Jeanna's face at the finale 'way back when', did that act garner a similar level of shock and disgust as Brandi blithely tossing her 'spit de vino' in Eileen's face? 1 Link to comment
WireWrap October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 When Tamra lobbed her alcoholic beverage in Jeanna's face at the finale 'way back when', did that act garner a similar level of shock and disgust as Brandi blithely tossing her 'spit de vino' in Eileen's face? People were shocked when she did it but not to the point of what Brandi got. Jeana and Tamra were fighting and there were hard feelings between the 2 women well before the wine toss. With Brandi's wine toss at Eileen, there was no issue between them. Brandi threw the wine for no reason other than as shock value, which made it far worse, much like her slapping LisaV for no reason as well IMO. 6 Link to comment
AnnaMayWong October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 The shows simply can't exist much longer in their current form. True reality has waned. It's just screamin', hollerin', and lyin'. Acting to fit the script, storyline, or whatever it's called. Talentless, unwanted acting is what we eventually get. All in all, cheap, somewhat morbid soap operas. And, it's boring and pitifully depressing. 7 Link to comment
FakeJoshDuggar October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 When last season ended, rumors abounded that Bravo was done with Tamra. It has often crossed my mind this season that Bravo agreed to let her keep her orange if she agreed to get the ball rolling on on the "Brooks doesn't have cancer" scenario. Heather and Shannon are not going to bring psychics to lunch and Megan didn't know enough about Brooks and Vicks to make it legitimate. And so Tamra did Bravo's bidding and then did the redemption tour to try to win back viewers in order to try to keep her orange. Link to comment
zoeysmom October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 http://www.inquisitr.com/2506179/tamra-barney-speaks-out-on-instagram-ahead-of-rhoc-reunion-claims-brooks-ayers-creates-fake-twitter-accounts/ Tamra accuses Brooks of making up Twitter accounts. Such a dastardly deed. 1 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) I've noticed Tamra spends a lot of time projecting. The shows simply can't exist much longer in their current form. True reality has waned. It's just screamin', hollerin', and lyin'. Acting to fit the script, storyline, or whatever it's called. Talentless, unwanted acting is what we eventually get. All in all, cheap, somewhat morbid soap operas. And, it's boring and pitifully depressing. Word. ---- Edited October 19, 2015 by Scrambled Fog Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Notable Civil War relic Ryan Vieth has basically told us all to stop watching RHOC and get a life. http://allaboutthetea.com/2015/10/19/rhocs-tamra-barneys-son-ryan-vieth-brings-drama-with-baby-mama-sarah-rodriguez-to-instagram/ 1 Link to comment
talula October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Notable Civil War relic Ryan Vieth has basically told us all to stop watching RHOC and get a life. http://allaboutthetea.com/2015/10/19/rhocs-tamra-barneys-son-ryan-vieth-brings-drama-with-baby-mama-sarah-rodriguez-to-instagram/ This photo of Ryan is just plain creepy eyed! Run. Run away from this guy!!! 3 Link to comment
ghoulina October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Good God, those eyes. That is one scary sight. 5 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 My brain is having trouble processing the idea someone as unattractive as Ryan could produce a baby as super cute as Ava. Ava looks like Ryan! I don't get it. 2 Link to comment
chenoa333 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 OMG scrambledfog! You're so spot on about Ryan and you are so friggin' funny! Bring on the snark! 1 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 I think Ava looks like her mom but she has dad's philtrum. She is a cute baby. Ryan wouldn't be as hideous as he is if he weren't such a shit person. I think that's true of most people I find unattractive (ugly personality always overshadows looks). Wise words. So true. 1 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 L O L ! Tamra totally shifted the blame for the questions about Babbling Brooks on the other women when she was in the limo w/ Vicki. 2 Link to comment
zoeysmom October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) Simon not happy. https://twitter.com/SBARNEY855?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Edited October 20, 2015 by zoeysmom 1 Link to comment
imjagain October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) I'm a big beard lover. I think a lot of men look better with a beard. But not all. Some cannot pull it off, and Ryan is one of them. His facial hair is just scraggly and gross. The problem is, he doesn't look good without a beard either. Remember when his hair was a lot darker on early seasons? Was he dying it? Either way, dark hair or blonde hair - he looks creepy. Short hair or long hair - creepy. Just put a bag over his head and call it a day. This made me laugh. I always see people making fun of Ryan's beard and I have always thought, yes, but he is just as bad without a beard. The guy can't win, creepy is just his look. The beard is not the problem, it's his creepy face. Edited October 20, 2015 by imjagain 7 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 Tamra stated on the Dr.Oz show she had cervical cancer. Today, Tamra tweeted she was going in for her *yearly* examination. Whata dumb @$$. https://twitter.com/TamraBarney/status/656516983727329281 1 Link to comment
Ubiquitous October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 I found this old article about how she found God... ?http://www.realitytea.com/2015/06/15/tamra-judge-talks-finding-jesus-regrets-calling-alexis-bellino-jesus-jugs-2/ Hope she can guide Ryan and his family to also discover God. Here he is with his mom. I bet that's her "Sunday best". I guess we know why Ryan is broke.I'm a big beard lover. I think a lot of men look better with a beard. But not all. Some cannot pull it off, and Ryan is one of them. His facial hair is just scraggly and gross. The problem is, he doesn't look good without a beard either. Remember when his hair was a lot darker on early seasons? Was he dying it? Either way, dark hair or blonde hair - he looks creepy. Short hair or long hair - creepy. Just put a bag over his head and call it a day.I wonder if it looks lighter because it's getting thinner?I am surprised Tamra hasn't hit David Beador up for a job for her spawn. I would think there are many levels of construction Ryan could work in. I vote for putting delineators up around the job site in traffic.I'm voting for folding those refreshing chilled towelettes they give out on hot humid days. 4 Link to comment
Juliegirlj October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 Initially I felt really sad for Tamra when she told of what happened with her daughter. It hits close to home for me, as my daughter suffered terrible teen angst at that age, became unruly and disruptive at home, and ultimately chose to go live with her grandparents. Unfortunately, my inlaws were not supportive of us, her parents, and chose to further alienate our daughter against us. It was THE most painful period of my life, and nearly sent me over the edge. The difference is, Tamra has acted in a way that was insensitive and irresponsible as a parent, and her daughter probably did the right thing by staying with Simon. When Tamra said her son now refuses to have contact with Simon, that ruined any empathy I had for her. Tamra and Simon both use their kids as pawns against each other, and the children will suffer in the long run. 5 Link to comment
imjagain October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I am surprised Tamra hasn't hit David Beador up for a job for her spawn. I would think there are many levels of construction Ryan could work in. I vote for putting delineators up around the job site in traffic. I'm actually pretty surprised too. My sister's husband builds pools/Jacuzzis for very wealthy people (sports) and you would be amazed how many family /friends think they can pawn off their not working son/brother/husband on him. The issue is work, if the person doesn't want to work well, he has no use for them. 3 Link to comment
Ubiquitous October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Initially I felt really sad for Tamra when she told of what happened with her daughter. It hits close to home for me, as my daughter suffered terrible teen angst at that age, became unruly and disruptive at home, and ultimately chose to go live with her grandparents. Unfortunately, my inlaws were not supportive of us, her parents, and chose to further alienate our daughter against us. It was THE most painful period of my life, and nearly sent me over the edge. The difference is, Tamra has acted in a way that was insensitive and irresponsible as a parent, and her daughter probably did the right thing by staying with Simon. When Tamra said her son now refuses to have contact with Simon, that ruined any empathy I had for her. Tamra and Simon both use their kids as pawns against each other, and the children will suffer in the long run. Was Tamra talking about Ryan or another son? I can see why Ryan wouldn't want to associate with Simon; he would make get a job! 3 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Was Tamra talking about Ryan or another son? I can see why Ryan wouldn't want to associate with Simon; he would make get a job! Don't forget, Ryan now has a job in arrow space (that's how I imagine Ryan spells aerospace). 5 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Tamra's punishing her daughter on national tv by crying and trying to shame her daughter into making contact is the the moment this show jumped the shark for me. I'm done. I can't even hate-watch this anymore. I feel you. I don't think I will watch beyond the first reunion episode. It's too depressing and somewhat stressful. The show used to be pure escapism for me. Now I want to eacape from the show. 3 Link to comment
Ubiquitous October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Well, by your own admission, you didn't see the episode. Tamra wasn't wasted beyond control. She seemed pretty sober. And she had a calculated plan to get Gretchen "Naked Wasted," then she sent her son to "seduce" her. She never apologized for it. On the reunion, she simply claimed, "I'm a mean drunk" as if that made it okay. Kind of like how she couldn't "remember" Lizzie's dinner party because she had too much to drink. Tamra conveniently claims that she is drunk when she doesn't want to take ownership of her bad behavior. Tamra planned on getting Gretchen "naked wasted" to make her look bad and possibly get her to admit to things she had been denying, but getting raped by Ryan was not part of the plan. He followed Gretchen to the bathroom without any prompting by his dear ol mom. IIRC, Vicki was involved in planning naked wasted, no? Vicki's involvement was limited to being told what was planned. OTOH, she didn't do anything once it became clear that Gretchen was shitfaced drunk. It seems Ryan and Sarah have taken their battles to Instagram. Ryan really is a piece of work. Does anyone belive he works 12 hours a day? http://starcasm.net/archives/331658 Just like "dear ol mom"! *Vicki gag sound* Edited October 22, 2015 by Ubiquitous Link to comment
chenoa333 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Why does Ryan always look like he only has two front teeth on top? Maybe his moustache hair is covering up the rest of the teeth. He looks like a squirrel (even though squirrels are cute) 1 Link to comment
zoeysmom October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 So here is Simon side of the story: http://www.allabouttrh.com/simon-barney-fires-back-at-ex-tamra-judge-after-she-slams-him-during-rhoc-reunion/ Like him or hate him he does have the right to just say no to having his children filmed. It is something Eddie Cibrian and Kelsey both did after their ex-wives said nasty things about them. 3 Link to comment
Almost 3000 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Why does Ryan always look like he only has two front teeth on top? Maybe his moustache hair is covering up the rest of the teeth. He looks like a squirrel (even though squirrels are cute) Saying he looks like a rodent will fix that cute problem for you. 2 Link to comment
Ubiquitous October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 This photo of Ryan is just plain creepy eyed! Run. Run away from this guy!!! This is the stuff of which nightmares are made! What is it with tattoos around the neck in Olde English font? Gah, so trashy! I read the article that this one of several photos accompanied and had to laugh at his claim that he works 12 hours a day and him telling people to quit watching his show. I bet Tamra had some stern (well, for her, anyway) words for him about bad-mouthing their meal-ticket (again) when she found out about what he had tweeted! Don't forget, Ryan now has a job in arrow space (that's how I imagine Ryan spells aerospace). Perhaps Ryan folds towels at the archery range shower and locker room? Tamra's punishing her daughter on national tv by crying and trying to shame her daughter into making contact is the the moment this show jumped the shark for me. I'm done. I can't even hate-watch this anymore. Let's not forget to include Simon and the fact that Tamra isn't as innocent as she would have us believe. We saw what you did on Tweeter, Tamra! 3 Link to comment
chenoa333 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Lol! Now whenever I see a squirrel I will think "he looks like a cute version of Ryan Veith". Squirrels like nuts, Ryan IS nuts. 2 Link to comment
PhilMarlowe2 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Tamra planned on getting Gretchen "naked wasted" to make her look bad and possibly get her to admit to things she had been denying, but getting raped by Ryan was not part of the plan. He followed Gretchen to the bathroom without any prompting by his dear ol mom. Tamra was very aware of what Ryan was up to. She saw him cuddling up against Gretchen the whole dinner (including stuffing bits of Gretchen's dress back into her breast area) and she "jokingly" warned Gretchen to "watch out" for Ryan. Tamra was there in the kitchen as Ryan's hands were caressing drunk Gretchen's back and shoulders, insisting that Frank and Lynn should not drive Gretchen home, she should stay the night at her place. Tamra then interviews, "We were in the kitchen, and then Ryan and Gretchen are gone, I have no idea where they went," with a coy tone of voice. Do I think Tamra originally hatched a master plan for Ryan to rape Gretchen from the get-go? No, but she clearly saw that Ryan was hovering around drunk Gretchen with lascivious intentions, she insisted Gretchen stay at their house and she made no effort to find them when the duo mysteriously disappeared. She definitely had culpability there, IMO. From the above article about Simon: Donna, I have always made it about my children. That’s why I’m not on the show anymore and chose them instead. It's stuff like this that makes me unable to stand Simon. No, you did not "choose" the children over the show. Tamra left you at the end of Season 5, you guys separated, and she moved into her own place. Then, you got divorced. It's this revisionist history where Simon makes himself the victimized martyr for the sake of his children that is so creepy. I hate Tamra, but I believe her when she says her son doesn't want to live with Simon anymore. They both suck so much. Edited October 22, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2 9 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Personally, the question of whether or not Brooks has cancer is less disturbing than the confirmation (for me, at least) that Tamra has no empathy or general concern for the emotional welfare of children. I agree 100%. I feel like by continuing to watch the show, I'm complicit in Tamra's vicious treatment of those around her. The fact that her behavior becomes fodder for supposed entertainment makes it worse. Her treatment of her own daughter at the Reunion is the final straw for me. I started watching this season b/c I thought Tamra had been fired. I saw a promo w/ Meghan and assumed she took Tamra's place. Boy was I wrong. Tamra was very aware of what Ryan was up to. She saw him cuddling up against Gretchen the whole dinner (including stuffing bits of Gretchen's dress back into her breast area) and she "jokingly" warned Gretchen to "watch out" for Ryan. Tamra was there in the kitchen as Ryan's hands were caressing drunk Gretchen's back and shoulders, insisting that Frank and Lynn should not drive Gretchen home, she should stay the night at her place. Tamra then interviews, "We were in the kitchen, and then Ryan and Gretchen are gone, I have no idea where they went," with a coy tone of voice. Do I think Tamra originally hatched a master plan for Ryan to rape Gretchen from the get-go? No, but she clearly saw that Ryan was hovering around drunk Gretchen with lascivious intentions, she insisted Gretchen stay at their house and she made no effort to find them when the duo mysteriously disappeared. She definitely had culpability there, IMO. From the above article about Simon: It's stuff like this that makes me unable to stand Simon. No, you did not "choose" the children over the show. Tamra left you at the end of Season 5, you guys separated, and she moved into her own place. Then, you got divorced. It's this revisionist history where Simon makes himself the victimized martyr for the sake of his children that is so creepy. I hate Tamra, but I believe her when she says her son doesn't want to live with Simon anymore. They both suck so much. What Tamra did to Gretchen, using her own son, was the worst moment I have ever witnessed on television. I am still in shock the material aired. I am even more shocked the material was presented as entertainment. Simon should keep his social media mouth shut. I understand and appreciate Simon's emotions, but he is not doing his children any favors by reacting to Tamra. In fact, by reacting to Tamra in the way that he does only feeds the monster that is Tamra. ---- Edited October 22, 2015 by Scrambled Fog 6 Link to comment
Satchels of gold October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 My take is that Tamra married Simone because she had little or no prospects for gainful employment . She bowed to his will to keep a roof over her head. Once the housewives came along she had some options and dumped him. It is actually the same concept that Vicki is trying to warn women about however screaming " I work!" doesn't quite get the message across. As a child of divorced parents, a stepmom and second wife (closing in on 18 yrs) as well as a therapist I'm going to give you a tip that will save thousands in therapy bills. Never, ever say anything negative about the ex to the children or in front of the children. Ever. No matter how much you think the ex deserves the trash talk or how mad you are. Even if the children think the ex is an ass too. Saying something negative might make you feel better at the moment but it's never good for the kids. 15 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 My take is that Tamra married Simone because she had little or no prospects for gainful employment . She bowed to his will to keep a roof over her head. Once the housewives came along she had some options and dumped him. It is actually the same concept that Vicki is trying to warn women about however screaming " I work!" doesn't quite get the message across. As a child of divorced parents, a stepmom and second wife (closing in on 18 yrs) as well as a therapist I'm going to give you a tip that will save thousands in therapy bills. Never, ever say anything negative about the ex to the children or in front of the children. Ever. No matter how much you think the ex deserves the trash talk or how mad you are. Even if the children think the ex is an ass too. Saying something negative might make you feel better at the moment but it's never good for the kids. 1 Link to comment
Scrambled Fog October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 This is heart wrenching. https://facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=126963750993979&id=100010410647172&pnref=story 3 Link to comment
zoeysmom October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 This is heart wrenching. https://facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=126963750993979&id=100010410647172&pnref=story She certainly is entitled to express herself. I think it is unfortunate and sad that now Spencer doesn't see his sister or his father. Hopefully, there will be some judicial intervention if Tamra and Simon cannot come to terms. Some kids do not like the limelight and obviously this young woman is one of them. It was actually Vicki who brought Simon into the fray. Heather added parental alienation was unnecessary. Maybe Tamra's friends should listen to Sidney instead of blindly defending their friend. 6 Link to comment
Grneyedldy October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) This is heart wrenching. https://facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=126963750993979&id=100010410647172&pnref=story Yes it is and I predict it will be deleted soon. I feel very sorry for ALL of Barney children, both their parents are selfish assholes. The relationship between teen girls and their mothers, can be difficult in the best of times. Tamra may want to reconsider her priorities. Edited October 22, 2015 by Grneyedldy 6 Link to comment
chenoa333 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Tamra behaves like SHE is the teen girl. She is repulsive. And i used to kind of like Eddie because he managed to stay out of the RHOC drama but now I'm beginning to see Eddie as a pussy whipped loser. What does he see in this shrew? Edited October 22, 2015 by chenoa333 3 Link to comment
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