S04.E06: Poetic Justice

[WendyCR72]

Airing November 7, 2021:

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Officer Nolan and team are on a hunt to retrieve a buried stash of gold before any treasure seekers get hurt. Meanwhile, Bradford is tasked with encouraging the oldest cop at the station to retire and invites him to ride with him.

 

[edhopper]

Does everyone in this squad get abducted by a serial killer? Now it's Nolans turn.

 

[Surrealist]

Bailey decided to play police detective?

SMDH.

At least she's not the serial killer, although her boss is.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Surrealist

[shapeshifter]

Loved H!ITG! actor Peter Onorati as Jerry, and loved Tim being better than his average self about the retirement assignment.

I hate serial killer plots (and heroic characters sneaking into the lairs of dangerous killers who always come back at the wrong moment).
Giving myself permission to skip next week.

[paigow]

Bradford and Thorsen can double date...

Fire boss was not home when the house blew up...

Bradford won the bet... Old Cop should get the case of beer that Nolan bought by mistake...

[Blue hues]

9 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Bailey decided to play police detective?

SMDH.

At least she's not the serial killer, although her boss is.

I’m thinking it was the neighbor who house sat for the fire boss.  He had access, ate a bunch of ice cream so knew about freezer in garage, etc, wanting to get his moments of fame.  Things were a little too “set up” with the watch as well.  

[Raja]

Maybe Nolan should think about joining Metro Bomb Squad.

[preeya]

I also thought it was the "much too nice" neighbor. Perhaps it will be????

I don't like this Bailey character at all and she's been promoted to series regular.

Tim and the retiree character are the MVPs of this one. Will the daughter become Tim's new romantic interest?

Who pays for all the graphic arts that Nolan is ordering from the rookie? That stuff isn't cheap.

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

Edited November 8, 2021 by preeya

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, Blue hues said:

I’m thinking it was the neighbor who house sat for the fire boss.  He had access, ate a bunch of ice cream so knew about freezer in garage, etc, wanting to get his moments of fame.  Things were a little too “set up” with the watch as well.  

That's another possibility, but this storyline has become boring. The everyday police work is more interesting than the "slasher plot."

56 minutes ago, Raja said:

Maybe Nolan should think about joining Metro Bomb Squad.

I'm sure it'll be him who solves the whole thing. 🙄

18 minutes ago, preeya said:

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

I thought I was the only one thinking about this.

Just crickets.

[paigow]

There have not been any SEAL Team skillset assassinations in LA lately, so the blackmail train is still at the station...

42 minutes ago, preeya said:

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

 

[HurricaneVal]

Jerry's daughter will definitely become Tim's new girlfriend.

On 11/6/2021 at 10:27 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Meanwhile, Bradford is tasked with encouraging the oldest cop at the station to retire and invites him to ride with him.

When I read the preview blurb, I thought we were going to get the episode with Tim patrolling with Smitty that we were cheated out of when we didn't actually get to see Smitty being Tim's assistant, just Tim doing Smitty's work.  However, this episode was better than that.  I loved how invested both Tim and Jerry got with the treasure hunt, yet they still took the night off while the other team spent at least part of the time brainstorming.

I did expect more Smitty discussion between Jerry and Tim, like "Smitty likes me around, that way he's not the oldest patrolman" sort of stuff. 

I'm totally over Bailey now.  Now that there's no longer the intrigue that she could be playing a long con on Nolan, and she is just exactly what she says on the packaging, she's no long interesting.  In fact, she's now proven to be a liability.

That was a nice moment between the captain and the new guy when the rookie gently chided the captain over his labeling and dismissing the girl as a "badge bunny" and how she was up front and was a person behind label. 

I did like the treasure hunt.  I like that it was both lighthearted and grisly serious.  I've got to say I actually gasped when the one treasure hunter casually buried his hatchet directly into that woman at the pier.  This show does the bizarrely unexpected sometimes.

[shapeshifter]

52 minutes ago, preeya said:

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

Shhh! (I'm hoping!)

 

[milkyaqua]

12 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Bailey decided to play police detective?

Dumb and more dumb.  Also, how were they able to get a search warrant based on some random person breaking and entering the suspect's house if even she had access to the key?  And yes, I'm with the others who think it's the helpful neighbor.

Liked the treasure hunt but yes talk about bodies dropping, sheesh.

Loved Tim and Jerry and the way the case and his retirement played out.  I also like Tim with Jerry's daughter though this will surely drive the Chenford fans to rage, lol.

Also liked the talk between the captain and Thorsen.

1 hour ago, preeya said:

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

Surely still around though for this epi TPTB gave us a break.  It was nice to see him help out Lopez with her trial prep.

I hope the  serial killer case is wrapped up and soon.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Treasure hunt in 911 was more interesting, realistic and less deadly. But I love all the Jerry/Tim scenes. Jerry is such a good-hearted guy, and the final call for him was sweet, he deserves that. Hey Lucy, Tim went out his comfort zone for Jerry. He doesn’t need your “help” to do it! 🙄

Wesley/Angela’s banter in the interrogation room is so them, it’s their foreplay. Aaron is such a sweetheart for not being judgmental towards Cleo the bunny badge girl. The chemistry between Tim and Ashley is effortless, hope she sticks around. Nolan/Bailey… meh!

The neighbour is definitely the killer/arsonist, hence his introduction at Fred’s party. If Fred is guilty, he wouldn’t be sending Nolan to his garage where he keeps his murder kits. I really hope when this story is wrapped up, Bailey will be gone too, for good‼️

[preeya]

46 minutes ago, milkyaqua said:

It was nice to see him help out Lopez with her trial prep.

She could have called upon Jason Bull.

[madmax]

1 hour ago, milkyaqua said:

Dumb and more dumb.  Also, how were they able to get a search warrant based on some random person breaking and entering the suspect's house if even she had access to the key?  And yes, I'm with the others who think it's the helpful neighbor.

My first thought!  Wouldn't that still be disallowed?  Also, tired of the firefighter as arsonist trope.

Could be the neighbor, or could be that the body they find in the fire is the neighbor and they can't identify it quick enough, so Nolan thinks he's in the clear and the firefighter hits him over the head JUST as Chen calls him and says "He's not dead!!!!"

The treasure hunt was cute, but the pairing of Jerry and Tim was just great.

Glad they got Tim a new girl so this Tim/Lucy shit can die.  Of course it won't, but I can dream, can't I?

[Surrealist]

Tim and Ashley have the kind of chemistry that writers want us to think Nolan has with any of his love interests.

[paigow]

5 hours ago, preeya said:

Who pays for all the graphic arts that Nolan is ordering from the rookie? That stuff isn't cheap.

Thorsen is Carlton Banks with a badge... Dude was born into money...

I was surprised that the clues were legit. Jumping into the La Brea Tar Pits should have been the final step

Edited November 8, 2021 by paigow

[Thomas Crown]

20 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Loved H!ITG! actor Peter Onorati as Jerry, and loved Tim being better than his average self about the retirement assignment.

I hate serial killer plots (and heroic characters sneaking into the lairs of dangerous killers who always come back at the wrong moment).
Giving myself permission to skip next week.

Please don't 😀  For a 10 p.m. show the Rookie has been surprisingly not too graphic IMO when it comes to showing gratuitous violence.  

The neighbor has to be a red herring right? It can't be that obvious .... come on writers! Even though I'm enjoying this season more than last, the writers sure do have challenges planning out their story lines and arcs.  A multiple episode arc and the writers just now introducing the killer?  

I guess I'm in the minority on this forum but I'm actually enjoying all the Chenford bickering leading to eventual hookup.  

 

 

[Surrealist]

7 minutes ago, Thomas Crown said:

The neighbor has to be a red herring right? It can't be that obvious .... come on writers! 

That's why I'm still cautious about naming the neighbor as the serial killer, although it's looking like he is. It's bad enough they made Bailey's boss look like the killer.

Maybe it's two killers working together?

Bailey is an idiot for playing detective, and if she doesn't wind up dead for getting involved, I'll be shocked.

Edited November 9, 2021 by Surrealist

[Thomas Crown]

31 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

That's why I'm still cautious about naming the neighbor as the serial killer, although it's looking like he is. It's bad enough they made Bailey's boss look like the killer.

Maybe it's two killers working together?

Bailey is an idiot for playing detective, and if she doesn't wind up dead for getting involved, I'll be shocked.

I would prefer the two killers idea since the story arc has been a snoozer so far.  Much to my disappointment we have to eliminate Bailey at this point since there is no logical reason for the writers having her break into the house and discovering the hidden box under the desk if she was really involved.  So she's out as a suspect.  That leaves either Fred faking his death or the pesky neighbor as the killer.  

[madmax]

41 minutes ago, Thomas Crown said:

I would prefer the two killers idea since the story arc has been a snoozer so far.  Much to my disappointment we have to eliminate Bailey at this point since there is no logical reason for the writers having her break into the house and discovering the hidden box under the desk if she was really involved.  So she's out as a suspect.  That leaves either Fred faking his death or the pesky neighbor as the killer.  

Unless.....Bailey did it all and gave the trophies to Fred as a gift.  He thought there was something strange about them, so he hid them in a cigar box taped to his desk until he could decide what to do with them. 😉

Speaking of, Bailey had no problem touching every one of those trophies, smearing all of Fred's prints.  She told Nolan not to run into fires, he needs to tell her not to touch evidence.  (For the second time, since she was touching the hell out of that cop car in the last one)

Edited November 9, 2021 by madmax

[Netfoot]

11 hours ago, preeya said:

Will the daughter become Tim's new romantic interest?

We can but hope. And put all the Chenford nonsense to rest.

 

[Bulldog]

The internet says there is only 9 years age difference between Fillion and Dewan, but every time I see them in a scene together I think its some kind of "take your daughter to work" subplot.  

Edited November 9, 2021 by Bulldog

[Surrealist]

26 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

The internet says there is only 9 years age difference between Fillion and Dewan, but every time I see them in a scene together I think its some kind of "take your daughter to work" subplot.  

Nathan doesn't pass for younger than 50 (maybe he should have used more sunscreen in his earlier years?), as where Jenna still has a youthful look.

3 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

I would prefer the two killers idea since the story arc has been a snoozer so far.

Initially I thought Bailey and her boss might be in cahoots. Dumbass Nolan is out there giving them the play-by-play of evidence they have. I mean, WTF.

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Surrealist

[bros402]

12 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

Dumb and more dumb.  Also, how were they able to get a search warrant based on some random person breaking and entering the suspect's house if even she had access to the key?  And yes, I'm with the others who think it's the helpful neighbor.

 

11 hours ago, madmax said:

My first thought!  Wouldn't that still be disallowed?  Also, tired of the firefighter as arsonist trope.

Could be the neighbor, or could be that the body they find in the fire is the neighbor and they can't identify it quick enough, so Nolan thinks he's in the clear and the firefighter hits him over the head JUST as Chen calls him and says "He's not dead!!!!"

Firefighter arson is actually a thing - I think they make up a decent number of arsons?

I was also thinking "fruit of the poison tree!" the entire time she was in the house - but I am guessing that since he's her lieutenant, maybe everyone at the station has a standing invitation to come whenever if they need a place to crash, so that's why she knew where the key was.

also, I hope it's two people (hopefully Nolan's gf) doing the arson - mostly because the actress playing Nolan's GF is really, really bad

[devilhalo]

Nolan and Bailey look really awkward together when she is in her uniforms. The 10-year age difference looks a lot more at the time. It’s slightly better when she is in casuals. But they are still not convincing as a couple. I wish Aaron Thorsen was a regular instead. Sigh. 
 

But if Bailey as a regular means we don’t have to see any more Nolan GFs, I will take it. 

I think the neighbor who ate the ice-cream is the serial killer. Kinda anti-climatic for the killer to be a random person. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by devilhalo

[paigow]

21 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Aaron is such a sweetheart for not being judgmental towards Cleo the bunny badge girl.

The dude was in lockup for a year while on trial... His bar is not set very high

[Surrealist]

On 11/7/2021 at 10:03 PM, edhopper said:

Does everyone in this squad get abducted by a serial killer? Now it's Nolans turn.

 

Looking forward to that next week.

Of course we know Nolan will take down the serial killer singlehandedly.

[paigow]

6 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Of course we know Nolan will take down the serial killer singlehandedly.

After he rebuilds the blown up house... singlehandedly

ETA: Unless he pulls a Harrison Ford and recruits the only Amish settlement in SoCal for a barn raising montage...

Edited November 9, 2021 by paigow

[eel21788]

24 minutes ago, paigow said:

After he rebuilds the blown up house... singlehandedly

He'll definitely be the one to find some clue in what's left of the house that everyone else misses.

[Clanstarling]

On 11/7/2021 at 8:10 PM, shapeshifter said:

Loved H!ITG! actor Peter Onorati as Jerry, and loved Tim being better than his average self about the retirement assignment.

I hate serial killer plots (and heroic characters sneaking into the lairs of dangerous killers who always come back at the wrong moment).
Giving myself permission to skip next week.

I was hoping they'd make Jerry a consultant (after retirement) to keep his institutional knowledge (which was vast). I like Peter Onarati.

I hate serial killer plots too - they tend to drag on and make the shows they're in unpleasant.

On 11/8/2021 at 7:38 AM, preeya said:

What happened to Ashmore's dilemma with the gangster? Did it just go away and die?

It's not like the cartel(?) guy will require his help every single day. He just has to be there when he's needed. He wasn't needed this week.

On 11/8/2021 at 9:11 AM, milkyaqua said:

Dumb and more dumb.  Also, how were they able to get a search warrant based on some random person breaking and entering the suspect's house if even she had access to the key?  And yes, I'm with the others who think it's the helpful neighbor.

That bugged me on so many levels, including getting a warrant based on illegally found evidence. (she may not have "broken" in, but she sure as heck "entered") And then to say she wanted to prove the guy innocent - how would finding nothing prove that? He could have a stash elsewhere.

I never even thought about the helpful neighbor except to think that he might see her and call the guy.
 

On 11/8/2021 at 4:42 PM, Surrealist said:

That's why I'm still cautious about naming the neighbor as the serial killer, although it's looking like he is. It's bad enough they made Bailey's boss look like the killer.

Maybe it's two killers working together?

That is more interesting than the standard serial killer storyline, but even so, I hate these kinds of plots. Especially since beat cops don't really get that involved in that, do they? Once they realize there's a serial, wouldn't the detectives handle it (or the Feds).

[CooperTV]

I'm so glad those evidence Bailey found blew up because those were inadmissible in court anyway (I imagine). Also, Bailey searching for evidence all by herself is not suspicious at all.

The Jerry the Old Cop plotline was the sweetness itself, and served both characters incredibly well. Tim does have a great chemistry with Jerry's daughter, and it's kind of nice we see Tim actually proactive in his romantic life.

[Surrealist]

14 minutes ago, CooperTV said:

The Jerry the Old Cop plotline was the sweetness itself, and served both characters incredibly well. Tim does have a great chemistry with Jerry's daughter, and it's kind of nice we see Tim actually proactive in his romantic life.

Tim and Jerry's storyline was the best part of the episode.

40 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I never even thought about the helpful neighbor except to think that he might see her and call the guy.

I hadn't considered this angle either. Another possibility!

[paigow]

1 hour ago, Clanstarling said:

Especially since beat cops don't really get that involved in that, do they? Once they realize there's a serial, wouldn't the detectives handle it (or the Feds).

[WendyCR72]

Keep things to this episode/show, gang. Thanks.

[shapeshifter]

8 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I was hoping they'd make Jerry a consultant (after retirement) to keep his institutional knowledge (which was vast). I like Peter Onarati.

From your keyboard to The Rookie's execs, @Clanstarling!

 

On 11/8/2021 at 12:11 PM, milkyaqua said:

Also, how were they able to get a search warrant based on some random person breaking and entering the suspect's house if even she had access to the key? 

8 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

That bugged me on so many levels, including getting a warrant based on illegally found evidence. (she may not have "broken" in, but she sure as heck "entered")

Calling up my "course work" from many years of Law & Order and other shows (have not actually studied law and do not play a lawyer on TV) I believe they can use as evidence anything found illegally (without a warrant) Not by a cop. Private Investigators on TV are always whipping out lock picks and telling us they can do that. 

HOWEVER, the problem I see is that Pretend PI Bailey is the current steady girlfriend of a cop (Nolan) who is investigating the case (even though Nolan is not officially a detective). I can't cite chapter and verse (sorry to throw in a biblical metaphor) but I'm pretty sure that is not kosher. 

 

 

 

 

[I Want My MBTV]

9 hours ago, CooperTV said:

I'm so glad those evidence Bailey found blew up because those were inadmissible in court anyway (I imagine). Also, Bailey searching for evidence all by herself is not suspicious at all.

I had actually thought she was the killer.  Otherwise I don't see the point in the character and something about her comes off super shady.  Maybe it's an acting "choice". 

[izabella]

9 hours ago, CooperTV said:

The Jerry the Old Cop plotline was the sweetness itself, and served both characters incredibly well. Tim does have a great chemistry with Jerry's daughter, and it's kind of nice we see Tim actually proactive in his romantic life.

I enjoyed Jerry's and Tim's story line very much, too.   And I am very glad Tim wants to date a retired police officer's daughter.  It's less likely she will be a serial killer or drug smuggler. 

[paigow]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

HOWEVER, the problem I see is that Pretend PI Bailey is the current steady girlfriend of a cop (Nolan) who is investigating the case (even though Nolan is not officially a detective). I can't cite chapter and verse (sorry to throw in a biblical metaphor) but I'm pretty sure that is not kosher. 

If a person is deemed to be acting on behalf of the police a.k.a. agent of the state, then any evidence collected is tainted as well as subsequent evidence discovered. Pretty sure this is national because it happened on Law & Order AND The Mentalist

[Netfoot]

On 11/9/2021 at 12:31 AM, Bulldog said:

The internet says there is only 9 years age difference between Fillion and Dewan, but every time I see them in a scene together I think its some kind of "take your daughter to work" subplot.  

In the latest Bond movie, there is a seventeen year difference between Craig and Seydoux. There is only ten years difference between Fillion and Dewan.

Fillion may look his age, but Dewan certainly does not look younger than hers. Leastways, not to my eyes. If she were a car I'd definitely say she needed a respray.

They look just fine together, but she doesn't do a very good job of showing her affection for him. The whole relationship comes across as a little too matter-of-fact with her. I don't know if that is bad acting or bad writing or bad direction.

[nittany cougar]

7 hours ago, Netfoot said:

They look just fine together, but she doesn't do a very good job of showing her affection for him. The whole relationship comes across as a little too matter-of-fact with her. I don't know if that is bad acting or bad writing or bad direction.

One of the problems for me is Dewan's acting,. which lacks any range.   Her voice has the same cheerful "up-talk" inflection in every scene, whether she is being serious or flirting with Nolan. This show is unusual, in that the actors have to do very serious drama and light and funny moments in the same episode.  She doesn't work for me as a dramatic actress 

On 11/8/2021 at 10:27 PM, Netfoot said:

We can but hope. And put all the Chenford nonsense to rest.

Yeah, I don't see how a pairing would work.  I think the more realistic route than them becoming a couple is that they would flirt but not become a couple.  Tim can't be involved with someone in his command.

Edited November 11, 2021 by nittany cougar

[shapeshifter]

They could still be "saving" Chenford for the series finale with very little actual screen time.

[paigow]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

They could still be "saving" Chenford for the series finale with very little actual screen time.

Old Cop mistakes daughter for burglar... Kills her... Making Tim single again

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, paigow said:

Old Cop mistakes daughter for burglar... Kills her... Making Tim single again

Sheesh, @paigow! A bit grim? We don't have to go all Bonanza on her.
How about instead Tim makes Cop Daughter realize she really wants to be an oceanographer in Antarctica?

ETA: Although I have to admit, your story seems more in line with these writers.

Edited November 11, 2021 by shapeshifter

[eel21788]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

How about instead Tim makes Cop Daughter realize she really wants to be an oceanographer in Antarctica?.

They already did that plot line only it was a social worker (I think) in New York. 

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, eel21788 said:

They already did that plot line only it was a social worker (I think) in New York. 

Ah! Then we have precedent! 

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Coincidentally, today’s NY Times crossword puzzle has this extremely episode-relevant clue:

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by shapeshifter

[Attatude]

On 11/8/2021 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Crown said:

I would prefer the two killers idea since the story arc has been a snoozer so far.  Much to my disappointment we have to eliminate Bailey at this point since there is no logical reason for the writers having her break into the house and discovering the hidden box under the desk if she was really involved.  So she's out as a suspect.  That leaves either Fred faking his death or the pesky neighbor as the killer.  

Can we eliminate her from the show?  When she broke into the house, it was the final straw for her useless character.  Why does Nolan need a girlfriend?  Who thought hiring her permanently was a good idea?  Would she be a regular guest star or recurring? She’s not a principal. So why couldn’t they get rid of her?

[Driad]

We had not seen Old Cop Jerry in previous episodes, had we?  IMO, this episode would have been more effective if we had already known him a bit.

[shapeshifter]

35 minutes ago, Driad said:

We had not seen Old Cop Jerry in previous episodes, had we?  IMO, this episode would have been more effective if we had already known him a bit.

Perhaps, but, OTOH, how awesome was it that they (the actors) pulled it off with so much heart and soul without us having ever seen him before?