S06.E16: Tell All Part 1

[Grifter Lives]

14 hours ago, Opine said:

I think Libby has quite a bit of Covid weight.  It actually seems more like post pool party assault weight because it doesn't seem like she was that heavy this season.

A few times, the camera captured her with her head tilted and body twisted in profile, eating up the other couples' problems.  Those times were when she truly looked like a big toe or potato.  And her neck was almost as wrinkly as Angela's.

I want to see coked-up Charlie and Andrrrrei in a death match in Part 2 (which won't happen), if only to see Chuck cry about healing his family.  I laughed at every on of his fake tears.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Grifter Lives

[Chicken Fingers]

Hey now. For Andrreii, part of Libby's charm is that look of a fine Moldovan potato. 

[Hotel Snarker]

I don’t think Libby was trying hard enough to suck in the whole episode. LOL! She looked like she couldn’t breathe. 

Brandon’s parents were laying a guilt trip on him using his father’s health as a reason for him and Julia to move next to their awful farm. They just can’t let him go! I don’t know what’s going on with Ron, but whatever his actual health status is, his parents using it to manipulate him into coming back to the farm from a whole 30 minutes away was infuriating. This may be awful to say, but I got a “Christmas cancer” vibe from Ron and Betty.

All Tiffany ever does is put down Ronald, even when it’s completely unprompted. He obviously struggles and is very far from flawless, but she just gradually breaks him down in every scene. She is the definition of a nagging wife.

Jovi chiming in about Tiffany and Ronald’s communication problem. Mah boi, did you watch yourself this season?

Natalie said that she wanted to move to Seattle and not stay in “ze vood”. Mike works in Seattle and always bemoans his commute. Why didn’t he agree to move to Seattle? Did I miss something?

What did you guys think of Mike blatantly making fun of Natalie’s accent when she says “antidepressants”? I thought it was rude. English is her second language, she’s trying to say she’s depressed and she needs medication to help her through, and instead of talking to her about her depression, he laughs at her while she’s expressing her feelings.

Jovi, why do you care if Natalie brought a date to dinner, you walking herpes sore?

Natalie is weird and crazy but I feel very bad for how everyone was ganging up on her at the tell all. She should have been allowed to bring her emotional support rat. (By the way, I really loved her dress and want it.)

Why would the producers not just show the fucking clip where Trish supposedly calls Natalie a hooker? Put it to bed and stop with the stupid drama! It’s a waste of time and it’s exhausting.

Why did Trish keep calling Mike’s house “the ranch” in Sequim? Maybe I’m a city slicker, but that dump of a house on some property with a bunch of trash and cars on blocks is not what I call a ranch.

I haven’t seen a lot of talk about the naked phone situation with Mike. So Natalie snooped through his pictures, FINE. But if your “ex sent them” in hopes of getting back with you Mike, WHY DID YOU SAVE THEM TO YOUR FUCKING PHONE?!?! If someone texts you nudes, they don’t end up in your photo library to even be deleted unless you saved them, Mike. And why did Trish say to Natalie, “Why were you snoopin’ in his phone?” THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE, TRISH!!!

You don’t throw someone’s ring away in a fit of anger if you’re scamming them!! Trish, have you ever been in love? I feel like Natalie made a good point. If she never loved Mike and was in it for a green card, she wouldn’t have cared if he was cheating or if someone was sending him nudes. Mike is awful, and Trish is a belligerent hag.

All that loose white beef jerky spilling off of Angela’s trashy red dress, under the “gorgeous” blond curtain. Wow, what a look. I mean, she looks better, but she’s still garbage. And I’m curious about how much the two pack of matching ponytails Angela and Skyla wore cost.

“I’m reducing my boobs because I can’t breathe.” Yeah, you nasty, trashy idiot. Cigarettes have nothing to do with that, huh? She’s also wanting all this sympathy for ELECTIVE SURGERIES, which she sprung on Mykul at the last minute. And surgery and weight loss does not buy being “hot.”

What did you all think about how Angela on the Tell All was like “Oh, I thought I told you that” and “I forgot” and “It was just last week”, but when Mykul says “Oh, I forgot” or something like that, she cusses him out and yells at him? I’m so sick of hearing her say “SHUT UP MAACKLE” and hearing that gross cackle she does every time she thinks she says something funny.

Angela was like “Oops, did I forget to tell you I went to Dr. Obeng’s birthday party on the opposite side of the country?” Michael can’t even be 100 yards near a woman and she’s constantly doing shady things. And if all this shit is true, Dr. Obeng’s behavior is HIGHLY inappropriate for any doctor, let alone one that deals in an incredibly private and personally invasive field such as plastic surgery or breast surgery. Even if you’ve ended the professional relationship with the patient and are no longer taking care of them, a breast surgeon inviting one of their patients to their birthday party after operating on them and then DRIVING THEM HOME ALONE because she is “sick” is crossing a line, IMO.

I feel like the rest of the cast was scared of Angela. Someone needed to call her out. (The highlight, though, was Jovi’s face when Angela flashed everybody.)

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again. Imagine the absolute FIT Angela would throw if Mykul even acted half as poorly as she does. She needs to be removed from TLC’s programming. And I agree with Aunt Lydia that Mykul needs someone who will not shout at him every time he opens his mouth. Would any of you guys be interested in seeing Mykul on Single Life casually dating women in Lagos, Nigeria? I would love to know Angela is in Hazlehurst, Georgia seething in jealousy that Mykul finally moved on.

[Frozendiva]

1 hour ago, Chicken Fingers said:

Hey now. For Andrreii, part of Libby's charm is that look of a fine Moldovan potato. 

The new Hollywood fad. Moldovan potato properties instead of the mythical Japanese ones.

[Frozendiva]

I would love to know how much Mike spends on gas for his truck each month - $1000 or more? I can see keeping the rural property to visit on weekends and such and have an apartment or home closer to work. A four hour drive each day is rough.

[Gobi]

14 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I would love to know how much Mike spends on gas for his truck each month - $1000 or more? I can see keeping the rural property to visit on weekends and such and have an apartment or home closer to work. A four hour drive each day is rough.

I think part of it is a ferry ride.

[1011101010001]

51 minutes ago, Hotel Snarker said:

(The highlight, though, was Jovi’s face when Angela flashed everybody.)

You’d think after years of stripper tits he would be jaded.

[Mondrianyone]

1 hour ago, Hotel Snarker said:

And I’m curious about how much the two pack of matching ponytails Angela and Skyla wore cost.

How does $2.96 apiece on eBay sound?

 

[Xebug67]

On 8/16/2021 at 8:20 AM, LucyEth said:

Bad outfit on Tiffany and Kalani also, Kalani loves that velveteen material.  They both looked terrible.  Angela should be concerned with all the loose skin she has hanging from her arms and back but she seems obsessed only with her boobs.  She is a real head case.  Mike and Natalie are ridiculous, waste of time on the show.  Mike get off the teat you big baby Huey.  Yelling out that's my Mom or whatever he said, he's an ass.  Julie is a terrible selfish person.  I wish she would "go Russia".  

Angela probably over-developed very early in her life, and right up until now has relied on her boobs to get her things/places regardless of her shitty, horrible, awful personality, over-processed straw hair, cave woman intellect, and bullying behavior.  I'll bet she perceives her breasts as some type of secret weapon to be unleashed upon any and all who do not bow to her otherwise.

[StatisticalOutlier]

19 hours ago, hisbunkie said:

When you are built like either women it’s difficult to cover your cleavage. It’s how their large breasts are set closely on their chests. 
The women on my maternal side are built like that (only thinner) they hate shopping for bras and tops, they look like they have a third breast in the middle of their chest. Their cleavage begin under their chin.

The cleavage I'm seeing on these women starts waaaay below their chins.  I can't believe it's impossible to find a shirt that doesn't expose it, or at least doesn't expose all if it, like what we get on the show.

 

19 hours ago, magemaud said:

And I don't for a minute think that her flashing the world was done spontaneously in a fit of anger. She was just waiting for any opportunity to show them off and even wore a top with easy access, just for the shock value. 

I thought it was so strange when she was talking to Michael's aunt while looking at her on the monitor, and then wanted to really yell at her and asked where the camera was, and went over there and screamed into it and eventually flashed it.  Would that be satisfying, screaming into a camera lens and not being able to see the person you're screaming at?  Dare I say it takes on the appearance of a performance?

 

12 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I don't think Ron has cancer. I think it's something that's not good, yet very treatable. If old boy had cancer and was really going through radiation or chemo then he'd use the hell out of that leverage. Keeping it vague keeps it just mysterious enough that he can get sympathy without admitting to anyone that it's not life threatening. 

That's why my money is on prostate cancer.  People do die from it, but many more live, and they have less invasive treatments than chemo and radiation for it these days.  And, as pointed out, it's an "embarrassing" one.  Ron doesn't seem like the type to be comfortable acknowledging that his nether region isn't in tip top shape.

 

1 hour ago, Hotel Snarker said:

What did you guys think of Mike blatantly making fun of Natalie’s accent when she says “antidepressants”? I thought it was rude. English is her second language, she’s trying to say she’s depressed and she needs medication to help her through, and instead of talking to her about her depression, he laughs at her while she’s expressing her feelings.

I thought he genuinely couldn't understand what word she was saying.  I had the advantage of a subtitle, and even knowing what she was saying, was having trouble matching that to what was coming out of her mouth when she was repeating it.

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18 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought he genuinely couldn't understand what word she was saying.  I had the advantage of a subtitle, and even knowing what she was saying, was having trouble matching that to what was coming out of her mouth when she was repeating it.

Yeah she was rhyming it with croissant.

[Mondrianyone]

10 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought he genuinely couldn't understand what word she was saying. 

I agree with this. She was giving the word a French pronunciation--ahntee-duh-press-AHNT--which is probably due to her being such a cosmopolitan intellectual and all. I don't think he was mocking her. (I, however, am.)

I also agree that you don't automatically have high cleavage if you have huge breasts. Just the reverse. Huge breasts are heavy and start to sag very prematurely. You have to deliberately hike them up to get your cleavage elevated.

It occurs to me that Angie may be skimping on the cost of her ponytail to save up for some back teeth. She probably couldn't find a Hollywood dentist to comp the cost of new choppers. Either that or she thinks she's now hot enough without a full set of teeth. It's going to be fun to see what her life is like once her fifteen minutes have elapsed.

[DiamondGirl]

2 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

I feel like the rest of the cast was scared of Angela. Someone needed to call her out. (The highlight, though, was Jovi’s face when Angela flashed everybody.)

He probably by reflex reached for a dollar to throw at her.

[Mr. Miner]

Nobody needs to see that nasty cow's udders!

[CrazyInAlabama]

Ron the swinger's treatment could be for almost anything, but used to get Brandon back to the farm.    

[1011101010001]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

Nobody needs to see that nasty cow's udders!

Angela, Tiffany, or Kalani?

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, Mondrianyone said:

It occurs to me that Angie may be skimping on the cost of her ponytail to save up for some back teeth.

Ahhh...I thought she was trying that high-pull ponytail as a facelift.

3 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

All Tiffany ever does is put down Ronald, even when it’s completely unprompted. He obviously struggles and is very far from flawless, but she just gradually breaks him down in every scene. She is the definition of a nagging wife.

very far from even below average...

[Back Atcha]

3 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

Natalie said that she wanted to move to Seattle and not stay in “ze vood”. Mike works in Seattle and always bemoans his commute. Why didn’t he agree to move to Seattle? Did I miss something?

He BORROWED thirty thousand dollars to "save" the family tree farm in Sequim.  He remains in debt.  You didn't miss anything; I didn't miss anything.  He's too ig-nernt to figure out that he can live and work in Seattle (with a wife) and rent out the "family farm."  Even if he doesn't gain a second income and feel less stress--the gas savings ALONE would be something brag about.

 

3 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

Brandon’s parents were laying a guilt trip on him using his father’s health as a reason for him and Julia to move next to their awful farm. They just can’t let him go! I don’t know what’s going on with Ron, but whatever his actual health status is, his parents using it to manipulate him into coming back to the farm from a whole 30 minutes away was infuriating. This may be awful to say, but I got a “Christmas cancer” vibe from Ron and Betty.

Brandon’s parents were Betty was laying a guilt trip on him using his father’s health as a reason for him and Julia to move next to their awful farm. They She just can’t let him go! I don’t know what’s going on with Ron, but whatever his actual health status is, his parents Betty's using it to manipulate him into coming back to the farm from a whole 30 minutes away was infuriating. This may be awful to say, but I got a “Christmas cancer” vibe from Ron and Betty Betty's Storehouse of Manipulation.  Oedipus repeat?

[Opine]

15 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Personally, I'll take the Grand Canyon between Kalani's breasts over Angela's back and side fat any day. Then again, even as a straight (cis?) gal I do love me some boobs-unless Angela is flashing me and telling obscenities.

I don't think Ron has cancer. I think it's something that's not good, yet very treatable. If old boy had cancer and was really going through radiation or chemo then he'd use the hell out of that leverage. Keeping it vague keeps it just mysterious enough that he can get sympathy without admitting to anyone that it's not life threatening. 

And the shit eating grin with the "I am sick" business.....that was too weird for words!  From Betty and Ron!

[Gobi]

8 minutes ago, Opine said:

And the shit eating grin with the "I am sick" business.....that was too weird for words!  From Betty and Ron!

I was thinking priapism from excess viagra use, but he wouldn’t be laughing if that was the case.

Now I’m thinking a boil on his ass.

[Xebug67]

On 8/16/2021 at 10:23 AM, maxmama said:

I actually thought Angela, for all her faults, hit the nail on the head when she jumped on Natalie for her forever-victim attitude.  We all know Mike is no prize, but something is off about Natalie.  She constantly provokes, then claims she is a victim of Mike.  I give him zero excuses for his own conduct, but nine times out of ten she is the instigator.  When Trish came out and gave her her a dressing-down, it was well deserved, IMO.  

Brandon looks tired and clearly distressed by his father’s illness, regardless of what we think of Ron and Betty, they are his parents.  He seems torn by a screeching wife and being there for them.  I get that Julia does not want to live at the farm, but marriage is the art of compromise.  Her insulting rant about only going there to visit her dog must have stung a little.  Not a good look.

Angela was repugnant, as usual.  She and Michael need to call it a divorce.  Same for Tiffany and Ronald.  Neither one is worth the effort.  Hopefully child visitation agreements can be worked out, but I won’t hold my breath.

I don't know if I'm in the majority or minority here, but I personally believe that Ron and Betty were genuinely happy to welcome Julia into their home and family, and not solely for free farm labor.  I believe that they love their son a great deal, however dysfunctionally it comes off, and want the best for him, which includes his happiness in a choice of life partner.  They totally overstep boundaries, but I really don't believe that there's any malice in their actions.  That statement that she made at the Tell All, just one of many other unpleasant comments that have spewed forth from her piehole, was cruel and must have hurt them both deeply, considering that they've shown her such welcoming and love since she landed in the U.S.  It also hurts Brandon to hear.  As his wife she should love him enough to not make such overboard comments about his family and where he grew up.  She's showing herself to be more and more selfish, self-centered, immature and jealous with every episode more that we see her on.  She's really turned into quite the shrew.

[Kath94]

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought he genuinely couldn't understand what word she was saying.  I had the advantage of a subtitle, and even knowing what she was saying, was having trouble matching that to what was coming out of her mouth when she was repeating it.

This is what I thought.  It was an odd, almost French pronunciation, and when asked to repeat it, she didn't annunciate any better, just spit it out fast, followed by more fast words.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if someone whose native tongue isn't English is having trouble understanding me, I speak a bit clearer, especially when asked to repeat something.  My husband, native English, and I, found ourselves doing this without realizing it.  I had to call in to work from his house in Walsall & he admitted that he couldn't understand a word i said!

[greekmom]

4 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

You’d think after years of stripper tits he would be jaded.

I'm sure Jovi has seen so many decent type boobs that Angela's would have made him throw up in horror!

[Tuneful]

Re Ron, I'm calling an STD, or rehab for cocaine and/or alcohol, which might help explain his rage problem. Betty's grimacing cheerfulness is almost psychotic. What a couple of grinning, giggling maroons as they seek yet again to manipulate the Baby Boy.  

[anoninrva]

On 8/16/2021 at 8:08 AM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

 Julia is a very bad person. Who is paying for Natalie's expenses all along and does she work? WHO is paying for YOURS Julia!?????? Sec of Immigration indeed. 

Julia is not the same person I sympathized with for not wanting to do farmwork.  I agree her "Go back to your country" bit was weird - maybe Russian vs Ukrainian hostility? I don't know.  But, in her defense, she's at least trying to play house with Howdy Doody, whereas Natalie has most certainly abandoned that role.  I'm frankly flabbergasted that she'd expect any result *but* divorce after living away from the gaslighter for half a year.

Also, agree about Skyla's unfortunate attire.

[My Girls]

2 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

I don't know if I'm in the majority or minority here, but I personally believe that Ron and Betty were genuinely happy to welcome Julia into their home and family, and not solely for free farm labor.  I believe that they love their son a great deal, however dysfunctionally it comes off, and want the best for him, which includes his happiness in a choice of life partner.  They totally overstep boundaries, but I really don't believe that there's any malice in their actions.  That statement that she made at the Tell All, just one of many other unpleasant comments that have spewed forth from her piehole, was cruel and must have hurt them both deeply, considering that they've shown her such welcoming and love since she landed in the U.S.  It also hurts Brandon to hear.  As his wife she should love him enough to not make such overboard comments about his family and where he grew up.  She's showing herself to be more and more selfish, self-centered, immature and jealous with every episode more that we see her on.  She's really turned into quite the shrew.

Yup, I agree with this.  She's entitled to feel however she feels about Brandon's family, but that kind of shit is something you tell your BFF, not your husband, and sure as hell not somewhere public.  Ron and Betty are way too involved in Brandon and Julia's life, but I don't believe they dislike Julia.  If they do, they're not attempting to drive a wedge between her and Brandon (as far as I see anyways) the way that she is driving a wedge between Brandon and his parents.  She really needs to take a seat and just shut the hell up.

[anoninrva]

On 8/17/2021 at 4:04 PM, CrazyInAlabama said:

Skyla is turning into her mother, and that's awful.    The jump suit on Angela was hideous, but the way too tight dress on Skyla was almost as bad.    The color of Skyla's dress was horrible too.   It looked like the color of pond scum.

Granted, it's a very low bar, but Skyla seems much calmer than Angela to me.

[My Girls]

15 minutes ago, anoninrva said:

 

Also, agree about Skyla's unfortunate attire.

Has anyone seen a facebook post that suggests that her dress is on backwards?  Lol I wouldn't be surprised!

[anoninrva]

On 8/16/2021 at 8:18 PM, Elizzikra said:

Pot is legal in Virginia now. I think they were both stoned.

Decriminalized.  There are no stores yet, like Colorado.  Brandon's just never seemed all that bright or interesting to me, though.  He may just be dull.  I can't say that about Julia, though.

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1 minute ago, anoninrva said:

Decriminalized.  There are no stores yet, like Colorado.  Brandon's just never seemed all that bright or interesting to me, though.  He may just be dull.  I can't say that about Julia, though.

Maybe he breathes a lot of pesticides.

[Maximadc]

1 hour ago, anoninrva said:

Julia is not the same person I sympathized with for not wanting to do farmwork.  I agree her "Go back to your country" bit was weird - maybe Russian vs Ukrainian hostility? I don't know.  But, in her defense, she's at least trying to play house with Howdy Doody, whereas Natalie has most certainly abandoned that role.  I'm frankly flabbergasted that she'd expect any result *but* divorce after living away from the gaslighter for half a year.

Also, agree about Skyla's unfortunate attire.

Julia would have done the same thing if she couldn’t convince Brandon to move to Richmond. Natalie asked Mike to move to Seattle but he refused.

[Elizzikra]

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Decriminalized.  There are no stores yet, like Colorado.  Brandon's just never seemed all that bright or interesting to me, though.  He may just be dull.  I can't say that about Julia, though.

There is reciprocity with DC though, so you can cross the state line and buy there legally with a prescription.

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Maybe he breathes a lot of pesticides.

Maybe they grow their own weed and that's why they are so reluctant to leave the farm?

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I personally believe that Ron and Betty were genuinely happy to welcome Julia into their home and family, and not solely for free farm labor.  I believe that they love their son a great deal, however dysfunctionally it comes off, and want the best for him, which includes his happiness in a choice of life partner.  They totally overstep boundaries, but I really don't believe that there's any malice in their actions. 

You have a more generous view of them than I do. I think that they believed (and probably still do) that Julia is with Brandon for a green card (and before that, the trips he took her own and any gifts he bought her). I think they looked down on her for being a go-go dancer and for desire to have sex outside of marriage and for her not using birth control. I think that Betty is one of those mothers who doesn't think any woman is good enough for her little boy but she would have settled for a wife for Brandon who was meek and did whatever he wanted them to do (translation, whatever Betty wanted them to do). 

[Armchair Critic]

Angela and her daughter at the Tell All

[magemaud]

14 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

She’s also wanting all this sympathy for ELECTIVE SURGERIES, which she sprung on Mykul at the last minute.

And don't forget, she COULD HAVE DIED! 

[anoninrva]

9 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

There is reciprocity with DC though, so you can cross the state line and buy there legally with a prescription.

DC doesn't have stores either.  They have "clubs", I think, and you can grow your own.  It's quite possible Ron and Betty are already.  They are swinging boomers.  As far as medical pot, sure, that's possible.  I think that's been legal in VA for a while.  It's just recreational that was decriminalized very recently.

[Pepper Mostly]

10 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

 

You have a more generous view of them than I do. I think that they believed (and probably still do) that Julia is with Brandon for a green card (and before that, the trips he took her own and any gifts he bought her). I think they looked down on her for being a go-go dancer and for desire to have sex outside of marriage and for her not using birth control. I think that Betty is one of those mothers who doesn't think any woman is good enough for her little boy but she would have settled for a wife for Brandon who was meek and did whatever he wanted them to do (translation, whatever Betty wanted them to do). 

Betty came out and said she thought Julia was a call girl. She is in the same club as Debbie and Trish, bemoaning that her precious baby has fallen victim to the evil wiles of a foreign hoor.

@Hotel Snarker, once more I agree with every word of your post! In particular, this bit:

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You don’t throw someone’s ring away in a fit of anger if you’re scamming them!! Trish, have you ever been in love? I feel like Natalie made a good point. If she never loved Mike and was in it for a green card, she wouldn’t have cared if he was cheating or if someone was sending him nudes. Mike is awful, and Trish is a belligerent hag.

This is the same old threadbare plot Sharp used for Pedro and Chantel, remember? Supposedly Pedro and his family were scamming poor, innocent Chantel in order to harvest the American dollar and for that evil, nefarious Pedro (Pedro! Happy go lucky, simple lad Pedro!) to eventually bring his whole family to the US! And I asked plaintively at the time, and still do, "then WHY aren't they all kissing the family Chantel's ass and doing everything they can to get into their good graces? Why all the fighting and flouncing and screams of "just divorce him then!" You'd think they'd be slopping over with sugar and flattery". You just know that mama Chantel would eat it up with a spoon. 

Any yes, Natalie is nuts. She would be a handful for anyone. She's capricious and babyish and vain, she's completely tone deaf and self centered, she's immature and flaky. But Mike? Is cruel. He's mean. So is his doting momma. No one "deserves" to be abused. Even if she is "provoking" him. That is not how it works. 

[Elizzikra]

50 minutes ago, anoninrva said:

DC doesn't have stores either.  They have "clubs", I think, and you can grow your own.  It's quite possible Ron and Betty are already.  They are swinging boomers.  As far as medical pot, sure, that's possible.  I think that's been legal in VA for a while.  It's just recreational that was decriminalized very recently.

Dunno what they are called or how they are licensed but they are storefronts and you go in and give them cash and they sell you pot. Gummies, drops, flower, other edibles. You do need a medical marijuana card. Virginia hasn't figured out their licensing process so there are none there yet but there definitely are in both DC and Maryland.

[Colfrmb]

Last week, I was out to dinner in a touristy restaurant and lo and behold there was a table of 5 middle aged women, 4 of whom had hair exactly like Natalie’s.  Theirs was not as platinum as hers but they all had the super curly, just below the shoulder blunt cut and I wondered if they were all sisters. I wanted to ask where they were from but I could not admit my 90day obsession, so I just watched.  (They had better noses and features than Natalie). Nobody rolled their eyes or pouted and huffed even once.

[Xebug67]

On 8/17/2021 at 7:04 AM, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Angela is a POS, she disrespected Mykull, his aunt and most importantly my eyes, when she flashed her ta-tas. She looked a hot mess in that outfit and Skyla looked stupid with "twinsy" hair style. I can't stand Natalie, and I think she just pushed and pushed Mike and he caved. I am not saying I like Mike, but just a little more than her. She is like talking to a brick wall when asked questions, and I find that infuriating. I find it interesting that she finally told her mom only when Mike threatened to cancel her bank card, maybe she was giving her mom the heads up to get her room ready.  

I FLOVE your avatar, Mahamid Frauded Me, as well as your user name.  It's always a toss-up for me whether Danielle is the ugliest cast member ever, or Baby Girl Lisa.  I finally settle on Danielle being the ugliest outside, but she's nowhere near as Baby Girl Lisa is on the inside AND outside.

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, anoninrva said:

As far as medical pot, sure, that's possible.  I think that's been legal in VA for a while.  It's just recreational that was decriminalized very recently.

 

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

Dunno what they are called or how they are licensed but they are storefronts and you go in and give them cash and they sell you pot. Gummies, drops, flower, other edibles. You do need a medical marijuana card. Virginia hasn't figured out their licensing process so there are none there yet but there definitely are in both DC and Maryland.

Virginia has five medical marijuana dispensaries, including one in Richmond. 

https://www.vanorml.org/dispensaries

DC and Maryland also have medical marijuana dispensaries.  To buy in any of these, a person has to have a medical marijuana card. 

None of these jurisdictions currently have recreational marijuana retail sales (where anybody can buy weed), even though possession has been decriminalized in DC and Virginia (recreational marijuana is still illegal in Maryland).  In DC, it appears there is a robust "gifting" program, where they get around the prohibition on selling by giving the weed away with a qualifying purchase of something else. 

I'm considering this to be authoritative because it appears to have been written by a stoner.  This graphic is proof enough, but the entire website yammers on and on and repeats itself.  I'm convinced.

[magemaud]

26 minutes ago, Xebug67 said:

I finally settle on Danielle being the ugliest outside,

They certainly gave her a makeover for her Single Life publicity photos. Even got rid of the smudged glasses! 

Edited August 19, 2021 by magemaud

[Breedom]

22 hours ago, Hotel Snarker said:

What did you guys think of Mike blatantly making fun of Natalie’s accent when she says “antidepressants”? I thought it was rude. English is her second language, she’s trying to say she’s depressed and she needs medication to help her through, and instead of talking to her about her depression, he laughs at her while she’s expressing her feelings.

I genuinely think that he didn't understand. I'm able to pick up most of what she says but if it wasn't for the captioning at the bottom of my screen, I wouldn't have picked that one up either. I don't think he would try and talk to her in that scenario about her depression, although it's probably just a ploy for sympathy anyway.

[Xebug67]

On 8/17/2021 at 11:06 AM, Sir RaiderDuck OMS said:

The details of Ron's illness are nobody's business until Ron himself brings it up on national television and tries to guilt his son into moving back home. Then the details become very relevant.

 

She's just like BabyVisa Lisa from a season or two ago: constantly holding the Green Card over her man's head to get him to do what she wants.

 

It's still not a walk in the park. Frank Zappa died from it (although Zappa's two-pack-a-day cigarette habit certainly didn't help).

 

My guess is Dr. Obeng wanted a celebrity (even an obnoxious d-lister reality show participant) at his soiree.

 

Remember that Natalie threw the ring at Mike, then almost immediately asked for it back and whined that he wouldn't give it. And remember Natalie endlessly harping about his diet, his house, his family and everything else?

Rarely have I seen a couple so completely unsuited for each other.

 

My guess: Brandon is nebbish beta male who's probably had a number of female friends in his life, all of whom have friendzoned him. Julia may well be the first woman he's ever been intimate with, and that holds a real power over a guy who's never had that before. (I speak from experience on this. I used to be a lot like Brandon, and my first GF was a manipulative ice queen who I followed around like a pathetic puppy dog. I've gotten better since.) Deep down inside, he believes if Julia leaves him, he'll be alone forever. 

 

Tiffany and Kalani likely don't consider themselves attractive, which also explains their terrible taste in men. Showing cleavage is one way to get positive attention from guys.

Re Dr. Obeng, I totally agree about him wanting even the Z-list celebrity that Grangela brings with her.  Why else would he ever have allowed himself to be filmed with Granny in the examining room from the get-go, when she was so embarrassingly flirting with him.  He could just as easily said, 'No cameras allowed in consultation/examining rooms.' 

He also helped out, for FREE, that idiot woman that Gorilla glued her hair.  It seems that any publicity is good in his mind.  But how good, really, was the publicity relating to Granny, when he went outside of her agreeing to a certain amount of boob being lopped off?  What future patients would ever trust him to let him put them under, knowing that he does what he wants despite their instructions on how much or little he adds/takes off? 

Of course there are circumstances where once the doctor has the patient open, he has to make an on-the-job judgment call, because the size once they're under, may or may not be appropriate, but the patient would have been warned of that beforehand and signed off on it.  That's what I know based on personal experience from back when I was only 22 and wanted to get a boob job. 

The surgeon warned me that we could only hypothesize about the size I wanted vs. what he'd actually be able to do once he was inside my chest.  Ironically, I never got to get the implants, because based on my pre-surgery testing, my blood supposedly didn't clot fast enough, which caused concern that I could bleed out on the table, so the doctor canceled my surgery and refused to operate on me. 

I think more than anything what prompted him to do that was because my ex-husband, who was a divorce lawyer, made a point of very loudly and clearly telling the doctor prior to even the blood work being done that he was a medical malpractice attorney.  Just kind of brought that up in general conversation ON PURPOSE because he was against my having the breast implants.  Kinda, sorta like how Michael was against Granny's surgery, but the opposite in that he didn't want her boobs reduced, and my ex didn't want them increased.  I'm guessing that's likely what happened between Granny and the doctor.  She was forewarned what might or might not happen.  Hence why she's never publicly made a big fuss or stink over the excess boobage that he removed. 

An alternative theory is, as someone else on here previously mentioned, that this was the plan all along, because with how old and saggy her boob were, doing a reduction might have still left them all saggy, droopy, and low-hanging, requiring breast implants eventually if not immediately.  I'm not an expert on old, saggy, low-hanging boobs by the way, LOL.  I only know from having old, small, low-hanging B-cup boobs, which pisses me off to no end that they didn't remain perky at 54 years of age.  That's the least thing having small boobs all my life should have given, is for them at least not to sag they way heavier, huge boobs do.  I had a friend who was only 24 with GINORMOUS boobs, and even at her extremely young age, they were already sagging down to her belly button.  TMI?

As regards Mike and Natalie, each of them has their own, special way of irritating the eff out of people by not communicating.  Mike shrugs and/or stomps off and/or keeps repeating the same phrase, 'We need to work on...", but then the work is never done.  Whereas Natalie's specialty is the passive-aggressive silent treatment, dead-eyed stare. 

Even after she finally told him that she loved him, oh so recently said to him on the episode where she was leaving him to move in with Juliana, I don't for one moment believe that she EVER loved him, and has always only ever been in this for the green card.  Whereas I DO believe that Mike really did fall in love with Natalie early on, but after the ring toss, and the badgering about sleeping with the female friend the night before that friend's wedding, and not being able to say that she loved him back then, THEN coming to America and relentlessly and never-endingly insulting him and everything that he is and has he finally was completely over this whackadoodle. 

They epitomize two people that should NEVER, EVER have gotten married, no matter the urgency of doing so because of COVID.  He should never have let her come over to begin with, because I firmly believe he was done with her after their initial season.

Re nebbishy beta male Brandon, and yourself, just as an FYI you guys are the ones who make ideal spouses.  It's not until we idiot women are older that we finally appreciate your type, after having had our hearts stomped on by every possible bad boy loser man in creation.  You guys may not win the battles, but you totally win the wars!  😘

I totally agree with you about Tiffany and Kalani as well.  They've SETTLED in life for the best they think that they can get, and they've each settled for world's worst losers.  In those instances where Assholu calls Kalani nice things, like "my love", I don't even believe he means it, but more so that he's putting on a pretense of being a husband in love with his wife so as to get his way for something that he wants.  I honestly don't think that guy is capable of real, mature love, he's so backwards and primitive and such a simpleton. 

Ronald, on the other hand, I do believe to have really been in love with Tiffany, at least at one time in their lives anyway.  But now it feels like he's trying to hold onto her more as a life raft than a wife.  I think that he thinks she and the kids are his salvation, when in reality he needs to save himself for himself before he can even think of being a truly decent husband and father.  But I do believe the love was there at first for him towards Tiffany.  I don't know if she every really loved him as much as she liked the fact that he loved/needed/wanted her because of her low self esteem.

[Xebug67]

On 8/17/2021 at 3:28 PM, Breedom said:

Natalie is someone who has absolutely no insight into how she contributes to the dysfunction in their relationship. Mike is at fault for EVERYTHING, according to her. No capacity whatsoever to look within her and see her issues. She will never be happy in any relationship until she works on herself. Mike, get out. You can't reach or change her.

I'm in the "she looks unfortunate" camp. No beauty to begin with and none now.

 

I have never considered Natalie a "great beauty".  I can, though, recognize what some men might see in her the rare, occasional times that she's seemed attractive, as I thought she looked at the Tell All.  Even though her eyes can be buggy, the blue color of them is stunning.  I don't even mind the imperfectness or size of her nose, because it's nice to see someone who doesn't feel her nose has to be hacked off into one of those generic, teeny-tiny noses that plastic surgeons constantly seem to create.  Her hair to me is actually one of her most unattractive features.  She doesn't look refined or classy with that straggly, scaggly mess.  Whereas, in some old photos that I've seen of her, with straight hair, her appearance really is striking (I've attached comparison photos).  And again I reiterate, I hate Natalie with the heat of 1,000 suns and totally side with Mike over her all the time.  I just threw her an attractiveness bone for how she looked at the Tell All.

[Xebug67]

On 8/17/2021 at 4:04 PM, magemaud said:

You can't use the words "respect" and "Angela" in the same sentence, but I agree that she looks awful. She's traded one horrible, unflattering style for another. And I don't for a minute think that her flashing the world was done spontaneously in a fit of anger. She was just waiting for any opportunity to show them off and even wore a top with easy access, just for the shock value. 

 

When we had this discussion before, I found two conflicting sources. One said it was five and one, the other said three and three. But it really doesn't matter because as Scala* said, "they're ALL [HERS]" now. 

*I was cracking up when my closed captioning kept showing her name as "Scala." 

 

LOL.  Couldn't agree with you more.  My "respect" comment was with regards to my having a differing opinion than a fellow poster, and in no way would ever be applied to anything to do with Grangela.

[CrazyInAlabama]

19 hours ago, Tuneful said:

Re Ron, I'm calling an STD, or rehab for cocaine and/or alcohol, which might help explain his rage problem. Betty's grimacing cheerfulness is almost psychotic. What a couple of grinning, giggling maroons as they seek yet again to manipulate the Baby Boy.  

"Treatments" could cover any disease or condition.    It could be physical therapy, some kind of medical treatment, and almost anything.   I can see Betty and Ron exaggerating any condition or treatment to get control of Brandon.   If they were so happy to have Brandon just live nearby, wouldn't they have thought of a neighboring place being for sale already?   Think of the possibilities of Brandon and Julia living next door to the farm, with close proximity leading to constant demands for help with the house and farm. 

So, I'm sure eventually some gossip site will find out what is going on and broadcast it all over.   

I think Tiffany's attraction for Ronald is that she could be his prison warden, and rub his face in his addiction, and criminal record.   

Edited August 19, 2021 by CrazyInAlabama

[Xebug67]

On 8/17/2021 at 7:13 PM, Mrs. Hanson said:

My hubby, in his 30's and 40's knew of a few ladies who had breast implants and or lifts, and he will tell you:  Most can't WAIT to show them off!

 

And who is watching the boatload of kids?

OMG.  So, so true.  Back in the 80s we knew this friend of a friend who had just recently gotten breast implants.  One night after we had all gone out together, we came back to our place where everyone got pretty drunk (at the time, I was such a lightweight when it came to liquor that one normal drink for any other person would get me completely wasted, LOL).  For most of that evening this woman and her boyfriend had yammered on and on about how amazing her breast implants looked and felt.  Supposedly super-realistic.  Well at one point in the evening, she suddenly said to me, "Do you want to see?", and out of curiosity I responded, "Sure".  So we went off into the bathroom together (because I did NOT want her showing them to my husband where we were all hanging out, which I know she was willing to do), where not only did she take her bra off to SHOW me, but she also grabbed both of my hands and placed them on her breasts so that I could FEEL them.  To quote the Linda Richman character of vintage "Saturday Night Live" renown (funnily, one of my best friends since childhood is also named Linda Richman), I was absolutely verklempt and didn't know what to do.  Kind of like a deer in the headlights but instead of my facial expression freaking out my hands freaked out.  She asked me if they didn't feel real, and at first I could not answer.  Then I said, "I guess so, but to be honest I really don't know because I've never before ever felt up another woman's boobs so I don't know how they're supposed to feel!"  I totally can see this woman going everywhere and anywhere and flashing everyone wherever she is in public, kind of like the character in the John Candy movie, "Summer Rental".

[Xebug67]

On 8/18/2021 at 9:37 AM, Hotel Snarker said:

I don’t think Libby was trying hard enough to suck in the whole episode. LOL! She looked like she couldn’t breathe. 

Brandon’s parents were laying a guilt trip on him using his father’s health as a reason for him and Julia to move next to their awful farm. They just can’t let him go! I don’t know what’s going on with Ron, but whatever his actual health status is, his parents using it to manipulate him into coming back to the farm from a whole 30 minutes away was infuriating. This may be awful to say, but I got a “Christmas cancer” vibe from Ron and Betty.

All Tiffany ever does is put down Ronald, even when it’s completely unprompted. He obviously struggles and is very far from flawless, but she just gradually breaks him down in every scene. She is the definition of a nagging wife.

Jovi chiming in about Tiffany and Ronald’s communication problem. Mah boi, did you watch yourself this season?

Natalie said that she wanted to move to Seattle and not stay in “ze vood”. Mike works in Seattle and always bemoans his commute. Why didn’t he agree to move to Seattle? Did I miss something?

What did you guys think of Mike blatantly making fun of Natalie’s accent when she says “antidepressants”? I thought it was rude. English is her second language, she’s trying to say she’s depressed and she needs medication to help her through, and instead of talking to her about her depression, he laughs at her while she’s expressing her feelings.

Jovi, why do you care if Natalie brought a date to dinner, you walking herpes sore?

Natalie is weird and crazy but I feel very bad for how everyone was ganging up on her at the tell all. She should have been allowed to bring her emotional support rat. (By the way, I really loved her dress and want it.)

Why would the producers not just show the fucking clip where Trish supposedly calls Natalie a hooker? Put it to bed and stop with the stupid drama! It’s a waste of time and it’s exhausting.

Why did Trish keep calling Mike’s house “the ranch” in Sequim? Maybe I’m a city slicker, but that dump of a house on some property with a bunch of trash and cars on blocks is not what I call a ranch.

I haven’t seen a lot of talk about the naked phone situation with Mike. So Natalie snooped through his pictures, FINE. But if your “ex sent them” in hopes of getting back with you Mike, WHY DID YOU SAVE THEM TO YOUR FUCKING PHONE?!?! If someone texts you nudes, they don’t end up in your photo library to even be deleted unless you saved them, Mike. And why did Trish say to Natalie, “Why were you snoopin’ in his phone?” THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE, TRISH!!!

You don’t throw someone’s ring away in a fit of anger if you’re scamming them!! Trish, have you ever been in love? I feel like Natalie made a good point. If she never loved Mike and was in it for a green card, she wouldn’t have cared if he was cheating or if someone was sending him nudes. Mike is awful, and Trish is a belligerent hag.

All that loose white beef jerky spilling off of Angela’s trashy red dress, under the “gorgeous” blond curtain. Wow, what a look. I mean, she looks better, but she’s still garbage. And I’m curious about how much the two pack of matching ponytails Angela and Skyla wore cost.

“I’m reducing my boobs because I can’t breathe.” Yeah, you nasty, trashy idiot. Cigarettes have nothing to do with that, huh? She’s also wanting all this sympathy for ELECTIVE SURGERIES, which she sprung on Mykul at the last minute. And surgery and weight loss does not buy being “hot.”

What did you all think about how Angela on the Tell All was like “Oh, I thought I told you that” and “I forgot” and “It was just last week”, but when Mykul says “Oh, I forgot” or something like that, she cusses him out and yells at him? I’m so sick of hearing her say “SHUT UP MAACKLE” and hearing that gross cackle she does every time she thinks she says something funny.

Angela was like “Oops, did I forget to tell you I went to Dr. Obeng’s birthday party on the opposite side of the country?” Michael can’t even be 100 yards near a woman and she’s constantly doing shady things. And if all this shit is true, Dr. Obeng’s behavior is HIGHLY inappropriate for any doctor, let alone one that deals in an incredibly private and personally invasive field such as plastic surgery or breast surgery. Even if you’ve ended the professional relationship with the patient and are no longer taking care of them, a breast surgeon inviting one of their patients to their birthday party after operating on them and then DRIVING THEM HOME ALONE because she is “sick” is crossing a line, IMO.

I feel like the rest of the cast was scared of Angela. Someone needed to call her out. (The highlight, though, was Jovi’s face when Angela flashed everybody.)

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again. Imagine the absolute FIT Angela would throw if Mykul even acted half as poorly as she does. She needs to be removed from TLC’s programming. And I agree with Aunt Lydia that Mykul needs someone who will not shout at him every time he opens his mouth. Would any of you guys be interested in seeing Mykul on Single Life casually dating women in Lagos, Nigeria? I would love to know Angela is in Hazlehurst, Georgia seething in jealousy that Mykul finally moved on.

I don't recall having ever seen Tifffany rag on Ronald, or at least not to the level that she now does so, during the season that Tiffany went over to South Africa to marry Ron.

When anything to do with Brandon and Julia comes on, the same as I do with Libby and Andrei, I completely zone out and am only just now learning from you all about Ron's illness.  I kind of sort of heard some of what was said about paying for them to move closer to the farm, but would fail any test that required me to cite specifics. 

As far as I'm concerned, not only can Mike, but also the rest of the cast, or the whole world for that matter, can rag on Natalie as much as they like.  I say bring her to tears, because she has never held back any of her nastiness towards Mike.  If you can dish it out, you damn well better be able to take it as well. 

And as regards the idea that if Natalie didn't love him then she wouldn't have thrown the ring back at him or been upset about nude photos, with all due respect I believe that to be hogwash.  Mike got angry with Natalie for not being able to say that she loved him when asked by a producer, and proceeded to pack his suitcase back at Natalie's apartment.  Natalie, in retaliation to Mike's anger and hurt over this, threw the ring into his suitcase and then later admits to producers that doing so was a test to see if he really loved her and would put the ring back on her finger.  With all that being said, Natalie is enough of an ego maniac to not be able to abide a man walking away from her without fighting for her, so that to me does not demonstrate her love for him, but rather her ego concerning him, and also her losing control over him.  As far as being angry about possible cheating and/or nude photos, again her ego is doing the talking (that's the only part of Natalie that ever talks, because she's otherwise the queen of the silent treatment - I wonder if her ego also gnashes its teeth when it speaks).  How dare someone like Michael (because I'm sure that she thought as little of him back then as she did after coming to the U.S. to be with him), not worship Natalie on a pedestal and dare cheat on her or keep nude pictures of another woman.  Again, NOT love in my opinion, just massive ego.

The fact that  Angela gets away with what she gets away with while calling Michael out for lesser, nowhere near as awful behaviors as she perpetrates is criminal.  Why oh why isn't there anyone who will tell it like it is as regards Angela?  Then after holding up the start of the Tell All because she had to make a grand joke of an entrance, she then flounces off at the end because she didn't like what was said, what a massive POS this hose beast is!

Edited August 19, 2021 by Xebug67

[Xebug67]

21 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

He BORROWED thirty thousand dollars to "save" the family tree farm in Sequim.  He remains in debt.  You didn't miss anything; I didn't miss anything.  He's too ig-nernt to figure out that he can live and work in Seattle (with a wife) and rent out the "family farm."  Even if he doesn't gain a second income and feel less stress--the gas savings ALONE would be something brag about.

 

Brandon’s parents were Betty was laying a guilt trip on him using his father’s health as a reason for him and Julia to move next to their awful farm. They She just can’t let him go! I don’t know what’s going on with Ron, but whatever his actual health status is, his parents Betty's using it to manipulate him into coming back to the farm from a whole 30 minutes away was infuriating. This may be awful to say, but I got a “Christmas cancer” vibe from Ron and Betty Betty's Storehouse of Manipulation.  Oedipus repeat?

Not to mention that he was also soon to become a newly married man with a wife who more than enough times had expressed to him about her being a city girl.  Those four hours per day back and forth could possibly have made a difference in their relationship with each other.  Not necessarily a guarantee that it would, but it definitely could not have hurt had he been around more so that Natalie didn't feel completely isolated and abandoned all those hours alone in nowhere Sequim. 

However, it's just as likely that had these two spent four more hours per day with each other they might have ultimately ended up killing each other.

Theirs was definitely a lose-lose proposition.

[Breedom]

On 8/18/2021 at 12:37 PM, Hotel Snarker said:

Would any of you guys be interested in seeing Mykul on Single Life casually dating women in Lagos, Nigeria? I would love to know Angela is in Hazlehurst, Georgia seething in jealousy that Mykul finally moved on.

Yes please!

 

On 8/18/2021 at 1:11 PM, Frozendiva said:

 I can see keeping the rural property to visit on weekends and such and have an apartment or home closer to work. A four hour drive each day is rough.

Agree. I was doing a three hour a day commute and that was only 22 miles each way and I was losin' it.

23 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

Angela probably over-developed very early in her life, and right up until now has relied on her boobs to get her things/places regardless of her shitty, horrible, awful personality, over-processed straw hair, cave woman intellect, and bullying behavior.  I'll bet she perceives her breasts as some type of secret weapon to be unleashed upon any and all who do not bow to her otherwise.

That and her "Americanism". She can't use that one in the states, so she finds people outside of the country to harass them with.