Trials and Tribulations of Juicy and Tre...

[quinn]

I do think Joes family will be there for him and the girls while Teresa is away on "vacation", as I think the Gorga's will pitch in if needed/allowed. I do NOT see the same happening when Joe goes to "college" and it is Teresa alone with 4 girls. I am not convinced the Giudice clan will put aside their feelings about Teresa to help her as much they do Joe. I really do NOT think these 2 fools thought this through, they are not even realistic about housing all of them IF their mansion sells or is foreclosed on as there will not be any paycheck coming in and they are refusing to consider the very real possibility that Joe may be deported as soon as he is done serving his time behind bars.

IMO Joe needs more help when Teresa is "away" than Teresa will need when Joe is "away."  Teresa being both the primary caregiver and breadwinner has been the status quo for years and when Teresa needed help, her mother was the main back up or she hired someone.  It may turn out that Joe's being "away" will be one less problem / ball she has to juggle.  Regarding Joe's family, if they withdraw whatever support they were giving Joe when he leaves, I don't think that is going to be a big deal other than the Giudice girls having to adjust to another paradigm,which actually is a big deal, but Teresa will be able to support her girls and run the household even if she is not getting assistance from her husband's family. Edited October 11, 2014 by quinn

[motorcitymom65]

There's never been talk of Joe/Teresa having issues with Joe's family. We've seen Teresa spending time with her mother in law. When Teresa's "away", I don't see the girls wanting to talk about girl-things if they need too with their Aunt Melissa simply because they seem to know the Giudice Aunts better. When Joe's away the "old school" thing to do if you're Pete Giudice is to help fill his brothers role as much as he can. I don't see the Giudice's dumping Tre and the girls.

There was lots of talk at one time that Juicy's parents had issues with Teresa because they thought her spending was the reason for Juicy's troubles. The attached article is just one that told this story. Might be true, might not be, but it isn't hard for me to believe. If any animosity existed in the past, it's easy to see how it could be resurrected in light of their current situation.

http://allthingsrh.com/teresa-had-epic-fights-with-joe-giudices-family-including-her-mother-in-law-filomena/

On top of that it looks like Filomena is in dire financial trouble as well. She is apparently living with Pete and his wife. This is a stressful situation no matter how close a family is. Now they will need to help drunk Juicy with 4 young girls. Where is Juicy going to live when the gaudy mansion is gone? If someone is willing to spend some time with the girls and take away part of the burden, if only for an occasional afternoon or weekend, I think Juicy will jump at the offer, except that Teresa would come unglued if that someone was Melissa.

http://allaboutthetea.com/2014/09/25/foreclosure-2-another-house-of-teresa-giudices-mother-in-law-in-foreclosure-on-the-auction-block/

Edited October 11, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[quinn]

^ There's also been talk about Teresa not getting along with Pete's wife. Who knows if it is true, but there's been "talk."

[Barb23]

Trade? Lol.

I'll throw in some chips and dip. You just bring the Ding Dongs.

We watched the Ding Dongs.

[AuntieDiane6]

 

 

MY daughters

MY family

MY friends

MY house

MY businesses

Teresa's mantra.,,,,,,,,,,ME, ME, ME.  It's all about ME

 

She's getting ready for the divorce hearings …. 

 

Speaking of which, a divorce for her will be very expensive.  Any lawyer will ask for a massive retainer upfront.  I wondered how she could afford it, but then I remembered that her family will probably pay for it.  Or In Touch magazine.  

 

Another question:  if Joe is going to go into rehab (an opportunity to get better housing), WHY CAN'T THE COURT FORCE HIM TO GET IT NOW?  If he has a "problem," why don't they require him to quit drinking NOW?  

[zoeysmom]

She's getting ready for the divorce hearings …. 

 

Speaking of which, a divorce for her will be very expensive.  Any lawyer will ask for a massive retainer upfront.  I wondered how she could afford it, but then I remembered that her family will probably pay for it.  Or In Touch magazine.  

 

Another question:  if Joe is going to go into rehab (an opportunity to get better housing), WHY CAN'T THE COURT FORCE HIM TO GET IT NOW?  If he has a "problem," why don't they require him to quit drinking NOW?  

Pursuant to the conditional sentencing release Joe is required to : Refrain from alcohol and drugs.  So October 2, 2014, Joe has been ordered to knock it off.

^ There's also been talk about Teresa not getting along with Pete's wife. Who knows if it is true, but there's been "talk."

Teresa gets along with Pete's wife because she doesn't want to be on the show.  As soon as someone steps in Teresa territory she becomes vicious.  Ask Melissa and Kathy.

[AnnA]

She's getting ready for the divorce hearings …. 

 

Speaking of which, a divorce for her will be very expensive.  Any lawyer will ask for a massive retainer upfront.  I wondered how she could afford it, but then I remembered that her family will probably pay for it.  Or In Touch magazine.  

 

 

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Since Teresa is the breadwinner of the family, a divorce could be extremely expensive for her.  She might have to pay Joe "maintenance."  Of course that depends on whether or not she is able to salvage any of her "businesses" after prison.

 

I forgot to mention how much I appreciated Andy Cohen's repeated use of the word "prison."   We all know that she hates the words jail and/or prison and wouldn't let anyone say them when Joe was "away."

 

ETA:  There's always the possibility that an attorney would handle the divorce just for the publicity.   Then again, by the time she is released her 15 minutes will have expired and her divorce might not get much attention at all.

Edited October 11, 2014 by AnnA

[TheFinalRose]

One caller asked what lessons Teresa and Juicy would teach their kids after this episode.  This was Tre's response:

"Before you sign something, you make sure you read it carefully," Teresa replied. "And if you don't understand the contract, try to get someone out there who understands contracts."

 

 

 

That's it? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with their reality.  What did Teresa sign that she would not have signed after reading it? She wanted the money, and the bank forms do not say anywhere on them: Hey, if you are faking anything on this form you could go to jail. Even if it happens a long time from now. So make sure everything isn't faked. Okay? 

 

Good thing her kids don't know anything about what is happening (cough cough) because if they think their Mommy got sent to jail because she didn't read something then those girls are going to have a warped view of the consequences of not reading something. I hope someone tells the girls that the lesson is: do not falsify legal documents, whatever you do. Do not lie under oath, whatever you do. Do not swear you have no money and then go spend $60,000 on window treatments.

[zoeysmom]

There is some additional unseen footage of the WWHL deal.  

 

One caller asked what lessons Teresa and Juicy would teach their kids after this episode.  This was Tre's response:

 

"Before you sign something, you make sure you read it carefully," Teresa replied. "And if you don't understand the contract, try to get someone out there who understands contracts."

 

Andy had perhaps the biggest WTF look on his face.  He said "that is the biggest lesson you have learned"?  

 

It is just hysterical that she believes that all this is happening to her because she herself is no legal eagle.  

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/587271/teresa-and-joe-giudice-s-watch-what-happens-live-confessions-what-you-didn-t-see-on-tv

I hope one of the kids is smart enough to figure out they didn't go to prison for signing a contract they went to prison for submitting fals documents and concealment.

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Since Teresa is the breadwinner of the family, a divorce could be extremely expensive for her.  She might have to pay Joe "maintenance."  Of course that depends on whether or not she is able to salvage any of her "businesses" after prison.

 

I forgot to mention how much I appreciated Andy Cohen's repeated use of the word "prison."   We all know that she hates the words jail and/or prison and wouldn't let anyone say them when Joe was "away."

 

ETA:  There's always the possibility that an attorney would handle the divorce just for the publicity.   Then again, by the time she is released her 15 minutes will have expired and her divorce might not get much attention at all.

Their divorce could be done by a paralegal.  There is nothing to fight over.  No money and the restitution is joint responsibility.  I doubt Joe is going to fight for the children.  Child support would be pretty much zip.  A huge waste of money for either to retain a dream team.  

Edited October 11, 2014 by zoeysmom

[Auntie Anxiety]

 

ETA:  There's always the possibility that an attorney would handle the divorce just for the publicity.

Not sure exactly why, but suddenly my inner voice said, "Uh oh.  Better call Saul."

[Lablover27]

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Since Teresa is the breadwinner of the family, a divorce could be extremely expensive for her.  She might have to pay Joe "maintenance."  Of course that depends on whether or not she is able to salvage any of her "businesses" after prison.

 

I forgot to mention how much I appreciated Andy Cohen's repeated use of the word "prison."   We all know that she hates the words jail and/or prison and wouldn't let anyone say them when Joe was "away."

 

ETA:  There's always the possibility that an attorney would handle the divorce just for the publicity.   Then again, by the time she is released her 15 minutes will have expired and her divorce might not get much attention at all.

PRISON PRISON PRISON!  Her head may explode!  Too bad he didn't mention are you watching Orange is the New Black? 

 

I still giggled at Andy's wonky eye expressions of 'unbelievable'. 

 

Omissions.  Tre "You mean the things that got left out?"   No, Tre, he was talking about Joe's farts.  Roll eyes.  Good giggle though.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Lablover27

[Auntie Anxiety]

If nothing else, the four beautiful daughters will do all their reading assignments because they'll be afraid of going to prison if they don't.  

[LotusFlower]

His tolerance is probably through the roof. I imagine he is still legally intoxicated when he wakes up in the morning. God help those girls. I hope and pray Joe addresses his alcohol problem before Theresa goes to college/camp.

Not a chance. As they say, the first step is admitting you have a problem. When asked if he had a problem with alcohol, Joe said "maybe a little." Reluctantly. Then both he and Teresa said he only drinks at night, to "help him sleep." Because drinking 4 bottles of wine is better than a sleeping pill. Plus, this is a guy who still hasn't taken responsibility for anything ("the bank gave me forms to fill out, I filled them out..."), and who deals with things when they happen, ie. the threat of deportation ("we live in the moment."). Going to rehab or seeking treatment at the right time (now!) would be the responsible and smart thing to do. Does that sound like Joe?

[sleekandchic]

Teresa made such a fuss about not ever wanting to live in a "used" house. I think she called the prospect of it, "gross"?

How will she handle prison? Even the dormitory-style places are definitely pre-owned, stained and stinkaroo. Ha.

Even though Teresa assured Andy that she's a changed woman, I can definitely see T getting into pushing and slapping and biting and hair-pulling with fellow inmates. Some of them will go out of their way to antagonize her, and Teresa is too dumb and hair-triggered to just walk away. She better be careful or else she'll quickly tack on more time.

I think Joe and the girls will be taken care of by a combination of friends and family. Schools will get social services involved, too, if teachers and others sense any form of neglect. I don't blame Teresa for shying away from Melissa and Joe because I also believe Melissa is a phony and calculated.

To me, the Guidice daughters are already screwed. Their genes, the skewed values, the horrible examples of conspicuous consumption and criminality, etc, will be hard to override. It can be done, but it will be difficult. I think if one out of four of the daughters turns out to be educated, sensible, ethical and moral, it will be an accomplishment of the highest order.

What a mess Teresa and Joe have made. It's Shakespearean. Stupid Shakespeare, but epic tragedy nevertheless.

Edited October 11, 2014 by sleekandchic

[Lablover27]

Not a chance. As they say, the first step is admitting you have a problem. When asked if he had a problem with alcohol, Joe said "maybe a little." Reluctantly. Then both he and Teresa said he only drinks at night, to "help him sleep." Because drinking 4 bottles of wine is better than a sleeping pill. Plus, this is a guy who still hasn't taken responsibility for anything ("the bank gave me forms to fill out, I filled them out..."), and who deals with things when they happen, ie. the threat of deportation ("we live in the moment."). Going to rehab or seeking treatment at the right time (now!) would be the responsible and smart thing to do. Does that sound like Joe?

 

I think his liver would rather he take a pill.  Then here comes the pills!  A rainbow of pills.  That no doubt Milania will hide in the fridge if we're lucky.

Teresa made such a fuss about not ever wanting to live in a "used" house. I think she called the prospect of it, "gross"?

How will she handle prison? Even the dormitory-style places are definitely pre-owned, stained and stinkaroo. Ha.

Even though Teresa assured Andy that she's a changed woman, I can definitely see T getting into pushing and slapping and biting and hair-pulling with fellow inmates. Some of them will go out of their way to antagonize her, and Teresa is too dumb and hair-triggered to just walk away. She better be careful or else she'll quickly tack on more time.

I think Joe and the girls will be taken care of by a combination of friends and family. Schools will get social services involved, too, if teachers and others sense any form of neglect. I don't blame Teresa for shying away from Melissa and Joe because I also believe Melissa is a phony and calculated.

To me, the Guidice daughters are already screwed. Their genes, the skewed values, the horrible examples of conspicuous consumption and criminality, etc, will be hard to override. It can be done, but it will be difficult. I think if one out of four of the daughters turns out to be educated, sensible, ethical and moral, it will be an accomplishment of the highest order.

What a mess Teresa and Joe have made. It's Shakespearean. Stupid Shakespeare, but epic tragedy nevertheless.

 

 

Wish the cameras are there when she has to carry her dirty pillow and bedding and see the mattress.  Heh.  She'll be missing those huge vases and probably will appreciate the chicken coup.

 

When I start to feel bad, I just watch some old reunion clips of Christmas Tree Pagent Girl Tre  http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/10/10/rhonj-preview-part-ii-bobby247-intentions-for-rhonjtwins-asianbubbajax-has-cryfest-gang-up-on-teresa_giudice/

Edited October 11, 2014 by Lablover27

[LotusFlower]

What a mess Teresa and Joe have made. It's Shakespearean. Stupid Shakespeare, but epic tragedy nevertheless.

I don't think it's epic at all. Or Shakespearean. They're just a bunch of low-life grifters.

On second thought, with Teresa in the pokey, and Juicy at home in charge, and Milania in the picture, I could go with King Lear.

[bosawks]

I don't think it's epic at all. Or Shakespearean. They're just a bunch of low-life grifters.

On second thought, with Teresa in the pokey, and Juicy at home in charge, and Milania in the picture, I could go with King Lear.

I see Milania more as a Macbeth kind of girl.

Edited October 11, 2014 by bosawks

[merylinkid]

Just because Joe is ordered to abstain from alcohol doesn't mean he has.   This is the guy who was ordered to complete the assets form and didn't.   This is the guy who was ordered to stop driving when his license was suspended and didn't.    It's not like he thinks there will be consequences for his continuining to drink.    Becuase he doesn't think.    He is going to violate his first pee test.

 

No divorce lawyer will take a case just for publicity (I don't count Gloria Allred because she doesn't really do anything on the cases.   She holds a press conference, makes some grand statements and is never heard from again).    We got bills to pay too.    Since these 2 don't care about other people's bills, other people most likely won't care to help them out by working for free.

[becauseIsaidso]

IMNSHO, one very big reason Teresa hates Mel is wrapped up in the fact that Mel has given birth to not one, but TWO boys - something Teresa has never been able to accomplish, not even with the intervention of a fertility specialist. I don't think either the Sr. Gorgas or Giudices give a rats ass about medical science and who has the Y chromosome - all they care about is Joe Gorga has sons and Joe Giudice doesn't. Wasn't it Juicy's father who offered a monetary reward to whomever produced the first grandson? And I seem to recall there being one hellova bruhaha when someone (Danielle, perhaps?)accused Teresa of not acknowledging her nephew. I think it was baby Joey, the 2nd Gorga son - and Teresa tried to spin it that if Mel had been a "good wife" she would have called Teresa and told Tre that she/Mel knew how busy Tre was and to not worry about coming to visit. This happening after Tre had gotten the disappointment of a 4th girl probably tipped Tre all the way from dislike into full-fledged hatred where Mel was concerned.  I can just picture the Sr. Gorgas bragging to the Sr. Guidices about their grandSONS. And I bet Mel was equally happy to mention her sons in front of any and all Giudices. To me, that explains almost everything from all the bad crap Teresa has said about Mel, right down to how she, Juicy and the girls always  spend their off camera time (and most of their on camera time) with Juicy's family.

[Giselle]

I don't think it's epic at all. Or Shakespearean. They're just a bunch of low-life grifters.

On second thought, with Teresa in the pokey, and Juicy at home in charge, and Milania in the picture, I could go with King Lear.

 

Maybe it's more like a financial version of "Requiem For a Dream" just without the narcotics.

[WireWrap]

Question,.... What happens if/when Joe fails a pee test? Will they arrest him on the spot/take him away, will they remove the girls from him and place them with other family members? I do not think he can quit drinking and he has a very bad habit of thumbing his nose at the law !

[Gigi43]

Thought I'd share this exchange with you all:

Disclaimer: I'm half Italian, my fathers all Italian.

My father asked me if there "was anything good" on part 2 of the interview. I said "....well Joe told the world he doesn't really believe in taking pills for problems." FatherGigi "What he'll just drink a quart of scotch every night?" Me(laughing). "Two-four bottles of wine, actually." Father "Hah. Should have guessed that, what a true Greaseball. I bet supposedly the kid are always " sleeping " though right?" Me: "did you actually hear about it already?" Father: " G, I KNOW Greaseballs, been around 'em my whole life. Best motivation I had to not turn out that way."

Edited October 11, 2014 by Gigi43

[merylinkid]

As someone who is half Italian myself, that is one of the annoying things about all of this.    It gives the rest of us a bad name.   No we don't all lie on legal forms, avoid taxes, thumb our noses at the law, etc.    The vast majority of us are law abiding citizens.     It's jackasses like the Giuwhatevers and the Gottis that screw it up for the rest of us.    I've had people actually ask me if my family was in the mob immediately upon meeting me.    

[ButterQueen]

I think Joe will gladly hand over the girls to Joe and Melissa...if they offer. Teresa won't have a say while in prison.

[AuntieDiane6]

The problem for Joe is that Milania will end up coming BACK.

[Irritable]

All I got from this interview is that Teresa is actually even more stupid than I ever thought.  It's astonishing that she has managed to even raise the girls to this point, because she is completely clueless about how life works in pretty much every way.  The woman doesn't even know how to blow dry her own hair????? Nothing she said or did in either of these interview segments struck me as her masterminding anything, or even understanding why she is in the position she's in.  She's mad that being on TV makes people scrutinize her because that makes them buy less Fabolini.  But, she wouldn't even have Fabolini to sell if it weren't for being famous because she was on TV, just like her cookbooks would have never been published if not for her RHNJ notoriety.  She has somehow convinced herself, and I'm sure it doesn't take much to sculpt her mush brain to fit her uneducated and self-serving beliefs, that she would have had all these bidnezzez even if she had never done the show, and now being on the show is what is hurting her sales.  AMAZING.

 

Joe's drinking is no big deal you guys, because it's "just wine".  One of my family members has a similar way of thinking...she gets hammered every night by 6:00 pm and starts drunk dialing us, but she swears she's not an alcoholic because she only drinks champagne.  She has cases of champagne stacked in her dining room, because she is classy, not because she has a drinking problem!  Real alcoholics drink hard liquor, and if the judge can't make the distinction, then whaddya gonna do?

 

I never thought Teresa was a pretty woman, but as I was thinking how extremely haggard and old she looks now - aging like a president in office - I realized that on the show she is usually trying to force a smile, which makes her look a little better.  During these interviews you can really see her actual face, and wow.  Harsh. Yikes.

[beesknees]

Maybe it's more like a financial version of "Requiem For a Dream" just without the narcotics.

 

OMG.  This.  You just won the internet.  Thank You.   "Requiem For a Dream".  Hee.

[TazDevil]

Andy should have a one-on-one with Joe Giudice when Teresa is away at college.  Get those unfiltered-don't-give-a-shit answers that Teresa kept him from saying ....

[zoeysmom]

Question,.... What happens if/when Joe fails a pee test? Will they arrest him on the spot/take him away, will they remove the girls from him and place them with other family members? I do not think he can quit drinking and he has a very bad habit of thumbing his nose at the law !

Here is my guess-Joe will probably be administered a test, flunk it, go back to court and promise to stop.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  I am guessing this will all happen before Teresa goes to prison.   If he persists he may end up getting sent to prison and beginning his rehab.  Some of this might be by design to spare Teresa from having to report on January 5th.  There is nothing these cons won't do to try and buck the system. 

[WireWrap]

Here is my guess-Joe will probably be administered a test, flunk it, go back to court and promise to stop.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  I am guessing this will all happen before Teresa goes to prison.   If he persists he may end up getting sent to prison and beginning his rehab.  Some of this might be by design to spare Teresa from having to report on January 5th.  There is nothing these cons won't do to try and buck the system. 

I was wondering if this was an attempt to keep Teresa out of prison. They need to realize that she is going to serve no matter what. I hope the Judge and the Prosecutor realize it is just a ploy and that they should just send both at the same time, get it over with fast if he fails his pee test. JMO

[zoeysmom]

I was wondering if this was an attempt to keep Teresa out of prison. They need to realize that she is going to serve no matter what. I hope the Judge and the Prosecutor realize it is just a ploy and that they should just send both at the same time, get it over with fast if he fails his pee test. JMO

Apparently, they do not have to live up to the terms of their plea agreement.  I wonder if she ever paid the $200,000.00, that had to be posted at time of sentencing?  They had known about that since late February and I bet they paid their house, shore house, rental property, Mercedes lease payments during that time.  I have never seen two people push the limits of the federal judiciary they way they have.

 

I think Joe should report ASAP, and Teresa should go in on January 5th, 2016.  She would be out February of 2016 and he could be out by mid 2017.

[WireWrap]

Apparently, they do not have to live up to the terms of their plea agreement.  I wonder if she ever paid the $200,000.00, that had to be posted at time of sentencing?  They had known about that since late February and I bet they paid their house, shore house, rental property, Mercedes lease payments during that time.  I have never seen two people push the limits of the federal judiciary they way they have.

 

I think Joe should report ASAP, and Teresa should go in on January 5th, 2016.  She would be out February of 2016 and he could be out by mid 2017.

Teresa said that they did NOT have that money, the 200K, and Joe said he had it arranged but it "fell" through! I wonder how long the courts will wait before they hold their feet to the fire? Teresa/Joe REALLY BELIEVE the laws do NOT apply to them, EVER!

 

I agree, Joe needs to go in now and Teresa as already ordered. The faster they get it over with, the faster they can get on with their life which will be better for the girls in the long run. Right now, this is like pulling very sticky tape off a hairy arm, painful!  JMO

[BostonBlonde]

Wish the cameras are there when she has to carry her dirty pillow and bedding and see the mattress.  Heh.  She'll be missing those huge vases and probably will appreciate the chicken coup.

 

The type of prison she is going to is more of a summer camp then "drag ya dirty mattress" type place. :)

 

She may not even have a real cell, some are like dorm style. 

[LunaNegra]

Joe's totality of responses to every question or situation

 

 "It is what it is...."

 

"What'cha gonna do...."

 

"Uh ... well, you know..."

Edited October 11, 2014 by LunaNegra

[merylinkid]

I've said this before, they probably counted on the Bravo money to pay the 200K.   It didn't come through in time, so they didn't have it.    The court will probably give them x number of days to get it together, if it was just a matter of the check not clearing in time.   But if they don't cough it up soon, the court will hold them responsible somehow.   After awhile the court gets sick of giving people a second (third, fourth, fifth chance) and just put them in jail.    It's real fun watching probation violation hearings.   The defendants have every excuse in the book.   And then you see them going off one by one in cuffs to spend some time in jail.

[sunflowers83823]

At this point when either of them say something all I hear is "wah wa wah wa wa" like Charlie Brown's teacher from the cartoons.

[AnnA]

Teresa said that they did NOT have that money, the 200K, and Joe said he had it arranged but it "fell" through! I wonder how long the courts will wait before they hold their feet to the fire? Teresa/Joe REALLY BELIEVE the laws do NOT apply to them, EVER!

 

 

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You're being too kind to Joe.  You're intelligent enough to know what word he should have used but he actually said "arraigned"......I caught that today.

 

I wonder how long Bravo will keep milking this interview.  It was on again today and I saw it in the kitchen while making lunch.  The timing was perfect because I was curious if the poster who asked "Did Tre say 'engager' ring?" a few pages back was right and she was!  The dumbass did say that.  

 

My apologies to whoever asked that question.  I tried to find and quote your post but couldn't.

Edited October 11, 2014 by AnnA

[ginger90]

I think Joe will gladly hand over the girls to Joe and Melissa...if they offer. Teresa won't have a say while in prison.

I think Joe would do it.  I think that's exactly the reason Teresa keeps saying Joe will take care of "my daughters". She doesn't want him be free to do "whatever".

In part 1 and 2, there was just one instance where Teresa changed "my daughters" to "our daughters". And that's the only time she said "our".

 

 

You're intelligent enough to know what word he should have used but he actually said "arraigned"......

The use of words by the two of them is quite entertaining!

Edited October 11, 2014 by ginger90

[LotusFlower]

Apparently, they do not have to live up to the terms of their plea agreement.  I wonder if she ever paid the $200,000.00, that had to be posted at time of sentencing?  They had known about that since late February and I bet they paid their house, shore house, rental property, Mercedes lease payments during that time.  I have never seen two people push the limits of the federal judiciary they way they have.

 

This part just kills me. They did have the money, they just didn't want to pay it. They never pay their bills. Why start now? But what I don't understand is how they're getting away with it. This isn't a creditor to whom they can say they're bankrupt. This was payment to the court which was part of the plea agreement! How do they ignore this payment and just shrug it off? Do they face any repercussions?

[LotusFlower]

I think Joe will gladly hand over the girls to Joe and Melissa...if they offer. Teresa won't have a say while in prison.

  

I think Joe would do it.  I think that's exactly the reason Teresa keeps saying Joe will take care of "my daughters". She doesn't want him be free to do "whatever".!

I don't think so. Joe is on seriously thin ice with Teresa. If she gives him an order and he violates it - esp. this one - he's going under. I think he's going to fail at being in charge while she's in prison in a multitude of ways, but I don't think he'll deliberately try to piss her off. He needs her more than she needs him.

[Jennifersdc]

Hehehe - I've been watching the first season today in bed after some intrusive dental work (TMI) via Hulu. Beyond the too many words about the Giudice's ostentatious show of stolen wealth, just saw the "I have no skeletons in my closet" post table flip (IMO in retrospect Teresa was trying to get the camera back on her since it was all about the Laurita's vs Danielle at that point).

Hehehe....

Sorry need to add Chris Laurita as the voice of reason - ya'll are acting like a bunch of fools.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Jennifersdc

[sunflowers83823]

In order to clarify, I will need the help of my fellow legal eagle posters...if the 200,000 payment was part of the plea agreement and they don't pay it, does that mean that the judge can rescind the plea agreement and sentence them according to the regular sentencing guidelines? I.e. 10 yrs max per count?

Edited October 11, 2014 by sunflowers83823

[One Tough Cookie]

I wonder how long the courts will wait before they hold their feet to the fire? Teresa/Joe REALLY BELIEVE the laws do NOT apply to them, EVER!

 

 

Well. obviously laws DON'T apply to them--they agreed to pay the money as part of their plea, they haven't and not  damn thing has happened to them.

Joe was ordered to get alcohol counseling, right?  And he goes on TV and admits to inbibing 4 bottles  NIGHT???? Shouldn't he be picked up for violating??????

 

I'm beginning to think Tre will totally skip doing time.

 

I'm starting to think she willsomehow skate by and not do any time.

Edited October 11, 2014 by One More Time

[LotusFlower]

In order to clarify, I will need the help of my fellow legal eagle posters...if the 200,000 payment was part of the plea agreement and they don't pay it, does that mean that the judge can rescind the plea agreement and sentence them according to the regular sentencing guidelines? I.e. 10 yrs max per count?

No. The payment was simply one part of the plea agreement; the sentencing another part. One part isn't contingent on the other. The $200k was just part of the $400+k they owe in restitution, so I imagine the amount they're now delinquent on just gets added to the overall amount they owe. Whether or not they face repercussions for delinquency is my question as well. In fact, the entire bankruptcy part of this case baffles me. Is there any kind of conservator who's in charge of their finances? How are they still making mortgage payments on the house? Etc., etc...

[zoeysmom]

Hehehe - I've been watching the first season today in bed after some intrusive dental work (TMI) via Hulu. Beyond the too many words about the Giudice's ostentatious show of stolen wealth, just saw the "I have no skeletons in my closet" post table flip (IMO in retrospect Teresa was trying to get the camera back on her since it was all about the Laurita's vs Danielle at that point).

Hehehe....

Sorry need to add Chris Laurita as the voice of reason - ya'll are acting like a bunch of fools.

I have a friend who always teases me about "hating" Teresa because from the first season I said-she doesn't belong her wealth is built on a house of cards.  I also thought it was pretty nasty of her to discuss Danielle's sex life and then tell the other women and the world, Danielle's boyfriend was stepping out on her.  Aw....Teresa has always been the bearer of the latest gossip.

 

Agree about Teresa doing the last big ditch effort for attention.  Surprisingly she is one who never wants to talk about past bad deeds but when she could make it all about her she went after Danielle for her past. 

 

I really want the judge, when they get hauled back into court for their various supervised release violations to say to Teresa, "pay attention puhleaze."  We all know now Teresa didn't understand what she was doing.

No. The payment was simply one part of the plea agreement; the sentencing another part. One part isn't contingent on the other. The $200k was just part of the $400+k they owe in restitution, so I imagine the amount they're now delinquent on just gets added to the overall amount they owe. Whether or not they face repercussions for delinquency is my question as well. In fact, the entire bankruptcy part of this case baffles me. Is there any kind of conservator who's in charge of their finances? How are they still making mortgage payments on the house? Etc., etc...

The $200,000.00 was a deposit against the $400,000.00 plus they owe in restitution.  It is an integral part of the plea agreement just like the portion that said they were to file ACCURATE tax returns for the years 2001-2011.  The judge was not happy that had still not been done.  The idea was the money was to be a showing of good faith and went directly to the government dismissing all those charges.

[sunflowers83823]

I can't imagine the court letting the 200k slide. I feel like if the court gives you a hoop to jump through in order to get less time then you should jump through the fucking hoop, or you should go to jail. Period.

[merylinkid]

 

I don't think so. Joe is on seriously thin ice with Teresa. If she gives him an order and he violates it - esp. this one - he's going under.

How so?    She is in jail and can't scream at him or make him buy her expensive jewelry for not following her orders.   The minute she gets out, he goes in (or shortly thereafter) for 41 months.   Then he most likely gets deported.   He is not going to be living under the same roof with her again for a long time -- if ever.   SO what the hell does he care if she is pissed at him?

 

If the judge gets pissed enough at them for not doing the things they were supposed to do:   pay the $200K, file accurate tax returns, abstain from alcohol, the judge can tack more time on.   Not throw out the whole agreement, but basically add in time for a violation of the plea agreement.   Which "Hey dummies, you are already doing time, why would you want to add to it?"   Further proof these idiots never think about consequences.

[LotusFlower]

The idea was the money was to be a showing of good faith and went directly to the government dismissing all those charges.

Right. But they didn't pay. As the judge said, they have no respect for the law. So now what? Do they face any repercussions? Does anyone know?

How so?    She is in jail and can't scream at him or make him buy her expensive jewelry for not following her orders.   The minute she gets out, he goes in (or shortly thereafter) for 41 months.   Then he most likely gets deported.   He is not going to be living under the same roof with her again for a long time -- if ever.   SO what the hell does he care if she is pissed at him?

Because he doesn't want her to divorce him. That's my guess, at least.

[Jennifersdc]

Well. obviously laws DON'T apply to them--they agreed to pay the money as part of their plea, they haven't and not  damn thing has happened to them.

Joe was ordered to get alcohol counseling, right?  And he goes on TV and admits to inbibing 4 bottles  NIGHT???? Shouldn't he be picked up for violating??????

 

I'm beginning to think Tre will totally skip doing time.

 

I'm starting to think she willsomehow skate by and not do any time.

Successful with the quote thing again? Much more obvious then TWoP (RIP).

Teresa ain't skipping shit (excuse the vulgarity). She's going to prison.

[LotusFlower]

If the judge gets pissed enough at them for not doing the things they were supposed to do:   pay the $200K, file accurate tax returns, abstain from alcohol, the judge can tack more time on.   Not throw out the whole agreement, but basically add in time for a violation of the plea agreement.

That's a good guess. (Or maybe it's a fact? It makes sense.)