LunaNegra

Joe's totality of responses to every question or situation "It is what it is...." "What'cha gonna do...." "Uh ... well, you know..."

Also, she said "As long as I get to talk to my girls everyday (presuming telephone)" and then "Joe said he would bring the girls to see me twice a week but I told him once a week is enough because they are going to be busy with school, etc..." Someone up thread said that in Camp Fed (CT) you only get visiting privileges once a month and only fours hours, at that. Also, I don't know, but I don't think you get daily telephone privileges. Can anyone confirm what the 'rules' are? I can see her attorney pleading for CT (Camp Fed) over WV (Camp Cupcake) because it's closer to NJ and will be easier for the girls to visit. However, Camp Cupcake would be the easier place (less restrictive) to spend her sentence. She is going to be in for a HUGE shock, on multiple levels. She said she's not thinking about what she's going to do in prison, only her kids. She better put sometime aside and think about/research what's going to happen; to lessen the blow.

So.. Amber tells Melissa something she heard about the twins, Melissa tells the twins and Amber is a horrid person. But Teresa tells Dina something she heard about the twins, Dina tells the twins and no hell-fire for Teresa? I'm not a fan of Amber's but she got a bum rap there. Hell they pulled her hair out when she went to that party and, watching the tape back, she really only made an off-hand comment to Melissa about something she heard. We have seen people on this show do MUCH worse.

Yes! During that drive, she's pontificating about what a great mom she is while she is driving with an open cup of hot coffee, waiting for an accident to happen, and then when it does she doesn't have a seat belt on. But much worse, is that none of her children do either and her littlest one, Audrianna should have been in a booster seat. TERRIBLE.

Per Reality Steve, months ago he posted in his spoilers that Michelle and Cody are still together. It's one of those 'so weird but maybe so right' things? I think they were both looking to find love and sometimes it's just about timing. More power to those crazy kids.

Bluebonnet - your anthropological observation about gender and culture entry was well-said and astute. Nice! I too was wondering if the crucified guy was supposed to be the same person from the village? I expected to see the other person be his young son. I was relieved it wasn't but I was still left wondering if it was the same man. If so, I was trying to place the geography and the rents: Did he come from far away? I would really like an Outlander map a la Game of Thrones that shows all the locations, etc.

IIRC, on WWHL, Andy asked Tom (?) who had the biggest potty mouth and he said Gail. So, yea, I don't think she was too thrown off-kilter. That being said, it was still WAY inappropriate.

I don't disagree that this particular article is not the best but it was one of the more recent ones (instead of pulling up one from years ago as the allegations are nothing new). As mentioned earlier - just Google "Jay Leno Joke Stealing" and take your pick." There are probably better ones out there but I don't care enough about Jay Leno to give him the effort. :-)

Word. Jay Leno is not very well respected by other comics. He is NOTORIOUS for stealing other people's jokes and materials, which is a big NO-NO in the comic world. I think the only reason he was brought out was because of his NBC affiliation. I'm sure the comics were laughing inside their heads when Jay said he would go on the road and each night work out "his" jokes. Here is a Gawker article from earlier this year: A Brief History of Jay Leno's Joke-Stealing It's gone on for years and years. Just google "Jay Leno Joke stealing". Howard Stern and others have very publicly called him out for years. He has stole from almost everyone.

I agree on all the above as possible actions by the father. It could be Lee that killed her because either: It appears he was often violent during sex and choked, etc (per his other exes) and it went too far and she died. He intentionally killed her because he did not want a/the baby He was angry that she had slept with his dad (who he obviously had a very bad relationship with). I concur with the above statements that it could have been either the rumors or the dad who provoked him. It could have been the dad because: He seems to have really hated her (and still does) and not have her 'ruining' his family. Which is ironic because..... He and his family are vile human beings. What a horrible family.

One of the things I thought was very telling was her difference in demeanor between letting Chris go and Nick. With Chris, she was in tears and crying; with Nick she barely, if any, shed tears and was very distant. Also - with Nick's fantasy night comments and upset because "those were fiancee type things"... his indignation and disbelief was more like he was a virgin and a'saving himself' for marriage but Andi used her womanly wiles on him and now he is 'spoiled." I don't think this is the case but the way he reacted in the AFTR was kind of silly. I think more than truly heartbroken, he still can't process/intellectualize what happened because of his ego. He was so uber-confident [ read cocky] during the whole show, even in the very early episodes, that he still can't believe he didn't 'win'.

I missed the beginning but did they ever get into the whole "Andrew asking for a waitress' phone number during one of the early group dates" thing? Talk about telling.

I thought of "In the Time of Butterflies" a historical novel by Julia Alveraz (and later a movie starring Marc Anthony) about the Mirabal sisters fighting the Truillio regime. Heartbreaking. Those women were/are truly inspirational. But add me to the list of those that cringed every time Andi called it "The Domincan.". It's like saying "Welcome to Puerto (instead of Puerto Rico) or "Welcome to the United" (States). Just wrong, wrong, wrong. Can't say I like either one. I want Nick, in his talking heads, to stop tilting his head and shrugging his shoulders. He's going to end up a hunched old man. Boy, stand straight and for the love of God, pull your shoulders back.

I don't fault Melissa on this. If she called and acknowledged it, we have seen Theresa, in the past, fly off the handle because they automatically assumed what the tabloid's were saying was true. It is what really damaged the relationship with Jacqueline. Further, she's always saying "it's all lies,lies, lies".... except when she sells stories. You never know what to do with her. She truly is delusional.

Thanks for starting this thread and the posts above. The interviews were very interesting!