Eboni K. Williams

[PrincessPurrsALot]

The place to talk all things Eboni with a "i".  Spoilers and social media are allowed.

[LemonSoda]

I think she’s gorgeous 

[Kiss my mutt]

I’m loving her! What a great addition. 

[Hiyo]

I'm surprised the name of this thread wasn't "Eboni K. Williams: Drink Every Time She Says Bitch".

[stcroix]

Not impressed.  So far she seems to want to be offended.  She's probably nervous since she's new to the show.  Maybe she'll loosen up as the season continues.  I will say that she's pretty and yet I'm sure she's one of the sharpest tools in the shed.  😉

[Jextella]

I like Ebony but I think I'm going lo like drunk wives more than sober wives.

[LilaFowler]

She seems too sensible to be on this show. Are there skeletons in her closet? The whole thing with her ex isn't even that scandalous.

[Raiderred]

Yahoo Entertainment did a story on last night's episode about Eboni calling out Ramona.  Eboni is getting zero support in the comments section.  Sorry I wasn't able to link the story.

[Jextella]

1 hour ago, Raiderred said:

Yahoo Entertainment did a story on last night's episode about Eboni calling out Ramona.  Eboni is getting zero support in the comments section.  Sorry I wasn't able to link the story.

So wierd. If Ramona understood what Eboni was saying, it seems the rest of us would too somehow.

[Kdawg82]

Those of us following Ramona across the many seasons of this show see that she is not specifically *racially* insensitive....she is just insensitive insensitive.  She's an equal opportunity insultor.

That said, I like how Eboni handled the convo with Ramona. She showed no hard feelings. She later was able to walk down the sidewalk holding Ramona under the arm as they shopped. I appreciate that they came together.

[Stats Queen]

1 hour ago, Kdawg82 said:

Those of us following Ramona across the many seasons of this show see that she is not specifically *racially* insensitive....she is just insensitive insensitive.  She's an equal opportunity insultor.

That said, I like how Eboni handled the convo with Ramona. She showed no hard feelings. She later was able to walk down the sidewalk holding Ramona under the arm as they shopped. I appreciate that they came together.

Well said on both points!

Ramona is an equal opportunity offender.

I loved how Eboni handled her and how she explained how she felt and why it was important. It appeared that Ramona was actually really listening.

We get so much further if we take time to have difficult conversations instead of shaming or ascribing labels to people.

I can’t remember a time when Ramona listened so intently to someone.

[absolutelyido]

3 hours ago, Kdawg82 said:

Those of us following Ramona across the many seasons of this show see that she is not specifically *racially* insensitive....she is just insensitive insensitive.  She's an equal opportunity insultor.

That said, I like how Eboni handled the convo with Ramona. She showed no hard feelings. She later was able to walk down the sidewalk holding Ramona under the arm as they shopped. I appreciate that they came together.

I really get the impression that Eboni is finding herself liking Ramona. As inappropriate as Ramona can be, she really is a very sensible and stable person. Sonja has obviously been a mess for years. Luann has made some very bad decisions including marrying Tom and her drunken encounter with police. As much as Ramona would like to find a man, she is very self sufficient and able to take care of herself. I think she's very responsible with her money. I get the same feeling about Eboni, that she is sensible and self sufficient, so is feeling a connection with Ramona. This week's episode may prove me wrong, but that's the vibe I get between them so far.

Edited May 26, 2021 by absolutelyido

[JAYJAY1979]

Guess Eboni enjoys the Ramonacoaster...and I had a feeling those two would bond.

[LemonSoda]

The way Eboni handled the situation then was able to carry on as nothing happened as they shopped showed a lot of emotional intelligence. I loved that. 

[Hangin Out]

1 hour ago, janiema said:

The career of the highly educated Eboni has consistently trended downward. After her good education she became a lawyer doing substantive work. However, she chose celebrity over substance to become a opinionated talking head. (I include all talking heads in this category). Now in a further slide down she has become a Real Housewife who will probably never be taken seriously again. No wonder she is angry.

Do tell.  I remember her on Fox, but there was a scandle.  My husband told me what he thinks it was, but I don’t know if I should say.  There were some firings at the time  and one very good newscaster was fired, which caused quite a stir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Hangin Out

[Ms.Lulu]

I think that Eboni is a great addition to the cast.  She is smart and beautiful. She handles Luann, Sonja and Ramona well and she doesn't get sloppy drunk.  I am interested in learning more about her life in NY.

And I wish they had brought Eboni in as Luann's friend as I could do without all of the scenes with Leah.

 

[Feech]

I see that she has fled from social media.

I wonder why that is if her opinions are so popular?

[Hiyo]

Technically, she hasn't fled, she it taking a 2 week break.

She probably wants to avoid the racist comments people will probably be making about her, if I had to guess.

[chlban]

5 hours ago, Feech said:

I see that she has fled from social media.

I wonder why that is if her opinions are so popular?

I just read about her little break. I don't think this us really about her opinions, I think it's about her and the forum where these opinions are being voiced. I totally support the BLM movement  All of last year, between the election, Covid and BLM, I watched cable news incessantly. Honestly, this year I made a conscious decision to stay away from them. I will always support equality and am aware we have a long way to go. Also last year, I ended friendships with women I have been friends with since high school- I am 66 years old- because, IMO, they were announcing their racism all over social media, although each of them would deny it. However, even ending the friendships was simply a quiet decision. Ignore attempts to engage, unfriend, unfollow. Because IRL, I don't know any grown women that have screaming fights. Certainly not repeated screaming fights and then continue to eat, drink and vacation with them for more fights. Because the housewife world is NOT REAL   I don't watch believing it is. I watch to be entertained by the absurdity of these women and their fights. If BRAVO thinks this is what the audience wants I think they are mistaken. It makes me feel that Eboni was brought in for the sole purpose of stirring shit because, quite honestly, she doesn't fit. She fits better than horrid Leah, because she can present herself well and doesn't dress like a clown. But it feels to me like BRAVO told her to bring up race at every possible point. I want house porn, Housewives bragging about their "social circles" (think early seasons). I'll even take a desperate social climber like Alex in the mix. But, I am not enjoying N Y at all this year. Mostly, that is Leah, and it may not be salvageable with her in it, but Eboni hasn't helped. Again, I do suspect BRAVO is behind a lot of this.

[65mickey]

I feel the sme way. Bravo has a discussion with the houewives before they start filming and they have to come up with a plan to engage with the others and some sort of story line. Don't these women do anything besides go on trips, eat, drink and fight? Do any of them have a career or a job even? If Eboni is a practicing attorney why in the world would she think that participting in this show is a good idea? Sort of like all of the therapists, plastic surgeons, and other professionals that have glomed onto the reality circus.  As far as taking a break from social media we have seen that before with other reality "stars". They don't  want to see any negative feedback for how they present themselves on the show. 

Edited June 3, 2021 by 65mickey

[Lemons]

On 6/2/2021 at 2:13 PM, Feech said:

They had a bunch of activities at Sonja’s townhouse over the years including this season. They can’t have an event at Eboni or Leah’s shoeboxes.

Plus we have learned a lot about Sonja’s various business ventures and have even got a glimpse at Leah’s. Will Eboni be willing to share what she does? I know she claims to have practiced law since she was in kindergarten. Was she a defense lawyer? A prosecutor? A judge? Did she do real estate closings or wills? Or was she just a token on Fox News that checked a couple of boxes on your diversity scorecard? 

Plus Fox News was notorious for sexual harassment during the time she was employed there. Did she experience it? Why did she leave? Lot’s of legitimate questions that we know will not be asked.

She writes this about her short law career:   After graduating from the College of Law in ’07, Williams specialized in family law and civil litigation, providing legal counsel on high-profile divorce, spousal support, and child custody cases. Eboni then transitioned into practicing as a public defender, as well as a private defense lawyer in North Carolina and throughout the Greater Los Angeles area.

Translating that I think she meant she assisted senior attorneys by doing the grunt work. 

Found the law firm she worked for:

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James, McElroy & Diehl is a full service law firm in Charlotte, NC, representing individuals and businesses in the areas of family law and divorce, corporate law, alternative dispute resolution, appellate advocacy, automotive / dealer, bankruptcy, civil litigation, criminal, estates, labor & employment, real property, securities, and tax.

They are an all service firm.  I can't imagine why she left to be a public defender.  They had criminal defense attorneys working at the firm.   I think she's full of shit a lot of the times.

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[Hiyo]

These women have been having screaming fights and then making up long before Eboni joined the show. Heck at one point they hugged it out in a pool with one of them topless.

[Feech]

3 hours ago, Lemons said:

She writes this about her short law career:   After graduating from the College of Law in ’07, Williams specialized in family law and civil litigation, providing legal counsel on high-profile divorce, spousal support, and child custody cases. Eboni then transitioned into practicing as a public defender, as well as a private defense lawyer in North Carolina and throughout the Greater Los Angeles area.

Translating that I think she meant she assisted senior attorneys by doing the grunt work. 

Found the law firm she worked for:

They are an all service firm.  I can't imagine why she left to be a public defender.  They had criminal defense attorneys working at the firm.   I think she's full of shit a lot of the times.

So she was a glorified paralegal who didn’t go to court?

Why isn’t she working as a lawyer now as she throws out her status a lawyer at every  turn?

Something is fishy.

Maybe she is like Phaedra of Atlanta. If she is I know of a great funeral parlor for sale!

[Hiyo]

I’ll wait and see if she ends up knocked up and in a shotgun marriage with an ex-con who goes back to jail after which she falsely accuses a castmate and her significant other of wanting to drug, kidnap, and rape another castmate before comparing her to good old Fakedra lol

[HunterHunted]

13 hours ago, Lemons said:

She writes this about her short law career:   After graduating from the College of Law in ’07, Williams specialized in family law and civil litigation, providing legal counsel on high-profile divorce, spousal support, and child custody cases. Eboni then transitioned into practicing as a public defender, as well as a private defense lawyer in North Carolina and throughout the Greater Los Angeles area.

Translating that I think she meant she assisted senior attorneys by doing the grunt work. 

Found the law firm she worked for:

They are an all service firm.  I can't imagine why she left to be a public defender.  They had criminal defense attorneys working at the firm.   I think she's full of shit a lot of the times.

9 hours ago, Feech said:

So she was a glorified paralegal who didn’t go to court?

Why isn’t she working as a lawyer now as she throws out her status a lawyer at every  turn?

Something is fishy.

Maybe she is like Phaedra of Atlanta. If she is I know of a great funeral parlor for sale!

Junior lawyers assisting, doing research, and playing second fiddle to more senior attorneys is literally how the vast majority of legal practice works at big and small firms, inside counsel, and working at a government agency. It's also why there are still a couple of states that allow people to apprentice with a lawyer in lieu of getting a JD. Equating it to being a glorified paralegal or just doing grunt work fundamentally misunderstands how the profession works. And that also explains why Eboni might have left the firm to join the public defenders office. The PDs office in most jurisdictions is so under-resourced that most young attorneys are almost guaranteed to get trial experience as the lead very quickly after starting work there. If she wanted trial experience, Eboni might have gone to work for the PD for that exact reason.

Why isn't Eboni working as a "lawyer"? Because loads of us don't. Some people don't like typical law practice. Some people never intended to get into a typical legal practice (me for example). Sometimes people fall into career options that they like more. I've worked in policy and research for almost my entire career. Loads of people with JDs are journalists, TV personalities, and writers. Loads of JDs work in finance, business consulting, conflict resolution and mediation, human resources, policy and research, academia, and lobbying.

There is nothing fishy about having a JD, but not working as a "lawyer." Many people choose atypical career paths for their degrees. There's nothing fishy about Ken Jeong having an MD, but choosing to work as an actor and comedian. Robert Parker of the wine ratings has a JD and gave up legal practice fairly early in his career to focus on wine criticism. There's nothing strange about Eboni having a JD, but choosing to work on TV like so many other people with JDs before her (Star Jones, Harvey Levin, Nancy Grace, Ben Stein, Sunny Hostin, Megyn Kelly, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Dan Abrams, Hill Harper, Bob Woodruff, David E. Kelley, William Sanderson, Brad Meltzer, and Howard Cosell).

[Jextella]

On 6/2/2021 at 2:50 PM, Hangin Out said:

Do tell.  I remember her on Fox, but there was a scandle.  My husband told me what he thinks it was, but I don’t know if I should say.  There were some firings at the time  and one very good newscaster was fired, which caused quite a stir.

Do tell :)

[Feech]

There was a sex scandal on the show Eboni was on but she was not involved and was collateral damage as the star was accused of misconduct and everyone was fired. 

Of course after she was fired she accused Fox News as being racist and that only racist people watched the network.

Something that Bravo can look forward to whenever they terminate her contract.

[Lemons]

8 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Junior lawyers assisting, doing research, and playing second fiddle to more senior attorneys is literally how the vast majority of legal practice works at big and small firms, inside counsel, and working at a government agency. It's also why there are still a couple of states that allow people to apprentice with a lawyer in lieu of getting a JD. Equating it to being a glorified paralegal or just doing grunt work fundamentally misunderstands how the profession works. And that also explains why Eboni might have left the firm to join the public defenders office. The PDs office in most jurisdictions is so under-resourced that most young attorneys are almost guaranteed to get trial experience as the lead very quickly after starting work there. If she wanted trial experience, Eboni might have gone to work for the PD for that exact reason.

Why isn't Eboni working as a "lawyer"? Because loads of us don't. Some people don't like typical law practice. Some people never intended to get into a typical legal practice (me for example). Sometimes people fall into career options that they like more. I've worked in policy and research for almost my entire career. Loads of people with JDs are journalists, TV personalities, and writers. Loads of JDs work in finance, business consulting, conflict resolution and mediation, human resources, policy and research, academia, and lobbying.

There is nothing fishy about having a JD, but not working as a "lawyer." Many people choose atypical career paths for their degrees. There's nothing fishy about Ken Jeong having an MD, but choosing to work as an actor and comedian. Robert Parker of the wine ratings has a JD and gave up legal practice fairly early in his career to focus on wine criticism. There's nothing strange about Eboni having a JD, but choosing to work on TV like so many other people with JDs before her (Star Jones, Harvey Levin, Nancy Grace, Ben Stein, Sunny Hostin, Megyn Kelly, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Dan Abrams, Hill Harper, Bob Woodruff, David E. Kelley, William Sanderson, Brad Meltzer, and Howard Cosell).

There are plenty of attorneys doing work that paralegals do because there are a way too many attorneys and not enough work for them.  I know one who worked as a receptionist in hoping to eventually be able to actually practice.  

The problem was Eboni is her dishonesty.  Just out of law school, she was assisting senior lawyers but claimed she was providing legal counsel in all these different fields.  And if she wanted trial experience all she had to do was stay with the firm.  Eventually she would be seasoned enough to get trial experience.  To take such a pay cut after only a year or so sounds like there is more to it.  

And true there is nothing fishy about not practicing law.   It can be tedious and boring and not well paid unless you put the work into it.  Her overstating her experience and knowledge is irritating. 

[Hiyo]

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Junior lawyers assisting, doing research, and playing second fiddle to more senior attorneys is literally how the vast majority of legal practice works at big and small firms, inside counsel, and working at a government agency. It's also why there are still a couple of states that allow people to apprentice with a lawyer in lieu of getting a JD. Equating it to being a glorified paralegal or just doing grunt work fundamentally misunderstands how the profession works. And that also explains why Eboni might have left the firm to join the public defenders office. The PDs office in most jurisdictions is so under-resourced that most young attorneys are almost guaranteed to get trial experience as the lead very quickly after starting work there. If she wanted trial experience, Eboni might have gone to work for the PD for that exact reason.

That all sounds reasonable, and makes sense with regards to her comments about providing counsel as well.

As for her statements about FOX News and it's audience both being racist, she never says that about the audience, but she does say FOX News itself is racist and bigoted (an assessment of hers I can't say I disagree with).

[HunterHunted]

On 6/3/2021 at 5:01 PM, Lemons said:

After graduating from the College of Law in ’07, Williams specialized in family law and civil litigation, providing legal counsel on high-profile divorce, spousal support, and child custody cases.

18 hours ago, Lemons said:

The problem was Eboni is her dishonesty.  Just out of law school, she was assisting senior lawyers but claimed she was providing legal counsel in all these different fields. 

 

"Legal counsel" is not synonymous with "lead attorney". Legal counsel is all of the things done for your client, firm, or entity in that jurisdiction that are permissible duties and tasks for the practice of law. Legal counsel includes research, drafting documents, and reviewing records. It's not just going to court and meeting with clients.

I think there's also this assumption that Eboni wasn't an active part of part of legal representation for the firm's clients. We don't know if Eboni sent memos on to the lead attorney about legal strategies and arguments for cases. She probably did. Most junior associates do at one point in their careers. She may have led a meeting, but we don't know because we weren't there. She might  been much more involved at developing legal strategies as a junior associate at a small firm or not at all at a big firm. Even if she didn't, all of the research, writing, and reviewing is a fundamental part of legal practice and providing legal counsel. So it's not a lie or dishonesty. It's accurately stating what she did.

19 hours ago, Lemons said:

And if she wanted trial experience all she had to do was stay with the firm.  Eventually she would be seasoned enough to get trial experience.  To take such a pay cut after only a year or so sounds like there is more to it.  

That also depends on the size of the firm. At a small firm, 10-15 or fewer, there's a decent chance you'll get into the courtroom sooner rather than later. As firms get closer to 50 attorneys or more, I've found that it's harder for new attorneys to get that courtroom experience. I don't know how big the firm was where Eboni worked, but it's entirely possible that it was big enough that courtroom experience was a long ways off.

It's also possible that Eboni jumped ship because she didn't like the vibe at the firm. I know far too many places like that where people didn't realize that the firm culture was toxic. I interviewed at a medium sized firm where they literally sexually harassed me in the interview. The only woman on the interview panel had a look of terror on her face when that started up. She had to stealth email an admin to make up an excuse to rush in and end the interview early. She was one of those people who realized that the place sucked, but didn't have the freedom to jump ship. She walked me out and warned me about how screwed up the firm was; they couldn't keep many female or minority attorneys because it was a drunken fratty hell with close ties to people in politics for those attorneys to feel comfortable making complaints, so they just left. I'm not saying that Eboni's old firm was like that. It could have been as simple as not being much of a drinker and the preferred firm bonding activity is a happy hour.

I just think it's strange to make weird assumptions that Eboni is lying or untrustworthy based on not just nothing, but less than nothing.

[Feech]

30 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

 

I just think it's strange to make weird assumptions that Eboni is lying or untrustworthy based on not just nothing, but less than nothing.

It is a fair assessment that Eboni  is untrustworthy based on her actions.

She had no problem enjoying the money and celebrity that accrued to her by being a talking head on Fox. She only discovered the toxicity after she got fired. Funny how that happens. 
 

So we have an illustration of how she will bite the hand that feeds her. 
 

Untrustworthy to say the least. Bravo will find out soon enough.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Feech

[Hiyo]

She knew the toxicity was there. She was hoping to make a difference from within and try and use her platform to educate people. It didn’t work out for her. So I wouldn’t say it makes her untrustworthy, more she was aware of the environment she was in.

[Jextella]

All these women have dirt. I'd wager cold hard cash Luanne's, Ramona's, and Sonja's pasts are far more sordid than Eboni leaving a job at Fox News or not practicing law.

As to the former, that's a looney bin over there. I don't doubt racism but politics and sexism may have been at play as well.

As to the latter, I used to work for our local bar association. I heard from many that practicing law isn't what they thought it would be - and not in a good way. Plus, there are SOOOO many different specialty areas that people don't always end up in the area of law they are most suited to.

Law school is also a really great background for running a business.

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by Jextella

[eggplantparmfarm]

On 6/5/2021 at 12:00 AM, Lemons said:

The problem was Eboni is her dishonesty.  Just out of law school, she was assisting senior lawyers but claimed she was providing legal counsel in all these different fields.  And if she wanted trial experience all she had to do was stay with the firm.  Eventually she would be seasoned enough to get trial experience.  To take such a pay cut after only a year or so sounds like there is more to it.  

 

I think you fundamentally are misunderstanding how the legal profession works as someone upthread said.

This is literally how junior attorneys start work. Very few junior attorneys in firms are given their own cases to handle start-to-finish but yes, they are still providing legal counsel. In most larger firms it can take years before junior associates are given more responsibility/trial experience. Eboni most likely left to get more substantive trial experience because public defenders and prosecutors are thrown into trials almost right away. Tons of people do it; it's not unusual by any means. 

[Lemons]

On 6/6/2021 at 2:09 AM, eggplantparmfarm said:

I think you fundamentally are misunderstanding how the legal profession works as someone upthread said.

This is literally how junior attorneys start work. Very few junior attorneys in firms are given their own cases to handle start-to-finish but yes, they are still providing legal counsel. In most larger firms it can take years before junior associates are given more responsibility/trial experience. Eboni most likely left to get more substantive trial experience because public defenders and prosecutors are thrown into trials almost right away. Tons of people do it; it's not unusual by any means. 

Tons of people leave high paying jobs to make $40,000 per year as a public defender?   Usually it's the other way around.  People start as public defenders, the bottom of the ladder, and work their way up.  

My point was exaggerating her importance.  I guess people do that to get ahead.  

[Lemons]

On 6/5/2021 at 2:53 PM, HunterHunted said:

"Legal counsel" is not synonymous with "lead attorney". Legal counsel is all of the things done for your client, firm, or entity in that jurisdiction that are permissible duties and tasks for the practice of law. Legal counsel includes research, drafting documents, and reviewing records. It's not just going to court and meeting with clients.

I think there's also this assumption that Eboni wasn't an active part of part of legal representation for the firm's clients. We don't know if Eboni sent memos on to the lead attorney about legal strategies and arguments for cases. She probably did. Most junior associates do at one point in their careers. She may have led a meeting, but we don't know because we weren't there. She might  been much more involved at developing legal strategies as a junior associate at a small firm or not at all at a big firm. Even if she didn't, all of the research, writing, and reviewing is a fundamental part of legal practice and providing legal counsel. So it's not a lie or dishonesty. It's accurately stating what she did.

That also depends on the size of the firm. At a small firm, 10-15 or fewer, there's a decent chance you'll get into the courtroom sooner rather than later. As firms get closer to 50 attorneys or more, I've found that it's harder for new attorneys to get that courtroom experience. I don't know how big the firm was where Eboni worked, but it's entirely possible that it was big enough that courtroom experience was a long ways off.

It's also possible that Eboni jumped ship because she didn't like the vibe at the firm. I know far too many places like that where people didn't realize that the firm culture was toxic. I interviewed at a medium sized firm where they literally sexually harassed me in the interview. The only woman on the interview panel had a look of terror on her face when that started up. She had to stealth email an admin to make up an excuse to rush in and end the interview early. She was one of those people who realized that the place sucked, but didn't have the freedom to jump ship. She walked me out and warned me about how screwed up the firm was; they couldn't keep many female or minority attorneys because it was a drunken fratty hell with close ties to people in politics for those attorneys to feel comfortable making complaints, so they just left. I'm not saying that Eboni's old firm was like that. It could have been as simple as not being much of a drinker and the preferred firm bonding activity is a happy hour.

I just think it's strange to make weird assumptions that Eboni is lying or untrustworthy based on not just nothing, but less than nothing.

I'm not an attorney but I did contract work for attorneys in estate planning.  Besides new attorneys from top schools at the top of their classes, most attorneys do work similar to paralegals because they don't know a whole lot.  They really aren't all that valuable until they have a year or two of work under them.   I'm making assumptions on Eboni based on listening to her for a few shows, not just her resume.  She's not all that different than the rest of the housewives in puffing up her resume.    And it's no more of an assumption than claiming "maybe she didn't like the vibe".  

[Anne Thrax]

On 5/14/2021 at 6:52 PM, LilaFowler said:

She seems too sensible to be on this show. Are there skeletons in her closet? The whole thing with her ex isn't even that scandalous.

I like her.  She is blessed with intelligence, doesn't have a bad-ass bitch attitude and seems so sensible and straightforward.  Probably just first season edit and we'll see the drawbacks next season but right now I think she's a good addition.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Anne Thrax

[LemonSoda]

22 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

I like her.  She is blessed with intelligence, doesn't have a bad-ass bitch attitude and seems so sensible and straightforward.  Probably just first season edit and we'll see the drawbacks next season but right now I think she's a good addition.

I do too! Id like to see her with more like minded people. Leah isn’t it. 

[HotHW]

On 6/5/2021 at 12:34 AM, Hiyo said:

That all sounds reasonable, and makes sense with regards to her comments about providing counsel as well.

As for her statements about FOX News and it's audience both being racist, she never says that about the audience, but she does say FOX News itself is racist and bigoted (an assessment of hers I can't say I disagree with).

And she was perfectly fine working and getting paid weekly by all those racists and bigots over there at Fox. It only became offensive to her after they stopped paying her.

Yet she cant sit through a dinner with Luann because Lu asked her why she was angry? smdh

[Jextella]

4 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I do too! Id like to see her with more like minded people. Leah isn’t it. 

I have to agree with this so far.  I really do like Leah for many reasons, but I feel she is the most judgmental and hypocritical of them all.  Far worse than Ramona. 

I also really like Eboni. However, one of my pet peeves is when people use words like baby, darling, doll, etc. I feel it's a way to elevate oneself above others.  If anyone called me one of those words I would stop them immediately and ask them not to refer to me as such (a la Ramona...but I wouldn't take no for an answer).

I also don't like know-it-alls, and Eboni is a bit of a know-it-all. But, so far, the positives outweigh the negatives. 

I do not care for Heather - the biggest know-it-all of the entire franchise, I think.   I'm glad she doesn't last long, but Leah was a petulant child with her. 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Jextella

[Hiyo]

 

“And she was perfectly fine working and getting paid weekly by all those racists and bigots over there at Fox. It only became offensive to her after they stopped paying her.”

Well, one of the reasons she accepted to work there was to try and use that platform to try and appeal to more moderate members of the audience. She probably always was offended by it and knew she was going encounter her fair share of racist and bigoted assholes there, but sucked it up and put up with it to try and do her job.

”Yet she cant sit through a dinner with Luann because Lu asked her why she was angry?”

She might have been expecting more from Luanne than from her former co-workers. Oops!

[HotHW]

46 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

 

“And she was perfectly fine working and getting paid weekly by all those racists and bigots over there at Fox. It only became offensive to her after they stopped paying her.”

Well, one of the reasons she accepted to work there was to try and use that platform to try and appeal to more moderate members of the audience. She probably always was offended by it and knew she was going encounter her fair share of racist and bigoted assholes there, but sucked it up and put up with it to try and do her job.

”Yet she cant sit through a dinner with Luann because Lu asked her why she was angry?”

She might have been expecting more from Luanne than from her former co-workers. Oops!

Expecting what exactly? Eboni was mad, which is also very commonly referred to as being angry. Lu asked her why she was angry.  Maybe Lu had watched reruns of BH where Rinna asked Denise why she was so angry. Maybe that was the first word that came to her mind. What's the difference, Eboni was angry and Lu asked her why she was.

The most telling part for me tho was after it all Eboni flat out lied to Leah about what Lu said. I'd expect more from an attorney. They usually speak more in facts and not fluff. That argument did not do Eboni any favors as far as I'm concerned. It's almost like she came on this show with a purpose to just call out and embarrass her coworkers.

[Hiyo]

Maybe expecting Luanne to be more careful with her wording. The issue of calling a black woman angry, and all of the negative connotations and stereotypes that go with it, has been discussed quite a bit in the episodes threads. You’d expect someone as educated, sophisticated, and cultured as Luanne to understand that. Oops!

Also, Eboni didn’t lie. And I wouldn’t say thats why she came on the show, but if the other HWs occasionally need to called out for certain shitty things they say, then more power to her for calling them out. 

[HotHW]

3 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Also, Eboni didn’t lie. And I wouldn’t say thats why she came on the show, but if the other HWs occasionally need to called out for certain shitty things they say, then more power to her for calling them out. 

Eboni screamed at Leah that Lu called her "an angry black woman". Leah reacted in horror, as I'd expect any one would if Lu had done that. Except Lu did not do that. Eboni perceived it that way, but that is not what was said, nor was that Lu's intent when she said it. 

For someone so triggered by so many things, I'd expect Eboni to be more factual and not exaggerate things for affect. Her explanation after the fact while it seemed genuine and made sense, didn't matter. She basically called out Lu as a racist with one statement. Can't unring that bell IMO (and Eboni knows it). And I think that's why she is taking her social media time-out. 

[HotHW]

10 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

but if the other HWs occasionally need to called out for certain shitty things they say, then more power to her for calling them out. 

As long as she knows that it goes both ways. All we've seen so far though is that Eboni is judge and jury in her mind and noone else's thoughts or reasons matter. And when she's wrong, well, we know what her reply will be. Hence why so many of us have deleted this show from our DVR. Eboni and Leah do not make good TV.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Yes, upon seeing the inner workings at Fox, Eboni concluded that the network is racist and bigoted. While it is true that many of us made that conclusion without actually working for them, I can't imagine why anyone would challenge the idea that Fox News is bigoted. Good for Eboni for trying to make a difference there, but I have no problem with her speaking the truth about that place after experiencing it for herself. 

[Axie]

Watched Eboni on WWHL last night and although I had been indifferent to her, I now dislike her.  She's more subtle than Leah, but, she seems to always be looking for a fight.

[politichick]

13 hours ago, HotHW said:

Eboni screamed at Leah that Lu called her "an angry black woman". Leah reacted in horror, as I'd expect any one would if Lu had done that. Except Lu did not do that. Eboni perceived it that way, but that is not what was said, nor was that Lu's intent when she said it. 

For someone so triggered by so many things, I'd expect Eboni to be more factual and not exaggerate things for affect. Her explanation after the fact while it seemed genuine and made sense, didn't matter. She basically called out Lu as a racist with one statement. Can't unring that bell IMO (and Eboni knows it). And I think that's why she is taking her social media time-out. 

She was essentially saying, "Luanne essentially called me an angry black woman, can you believe it?" But when she laid out the whole scenario, Eboni quoted Luanne accurately.

[Hiyo]

“Eboni screamed at Leah that Lu called her "an angry black woman". Leah reacted in horror, as I'd expect any one would if Lu had done that. Except Lu did not do that. Eboni perceived it that way, but that is not what was said, nor was that Lu's intent when she said it.”

Lu did just that. Using all 3 words - angry Black woman - isn’t necessary when you can just call her angry. It still gets the same point across. Plus using the word “Black” would be a bit redundant since that Eboni is Black. 

Maybe if Luanne doesn’t want to be a called out as being a racist, she shouldn’t be doing or saying things that could be perceived as racist. Also, considering how social media attracts it’s fair share of racist trolls, I don’t begrudge Eboni for taking some time off.

So far Eboni seems fair and rational. I don’t see her as exaggerating things much, if at all. I’m not saying she is perfect, but I do think she is a good addition to the show, and I won’t be deleting this from my list of shows to watch because of her (Leah, on the other hand...).

[chlban]

On 6/5/2021 at 12:15 PM, Feech said:

It is a fair assessment that Eboni  is untrustworthy based on her actions.

She had no problem enjoying the money and celebrity that accrued to her by being a talking head on Fox. She only discovered the toxicity after she got fired. Funny how that happens. 
 

So we have an illustration of how she will bite the hand that feeds her. 
 

Untrustworthy to say the least. Bravo will find out soon enough.

She also discussed how she filed BK and stiffed people she owed money to. Not due to Jon loss or a medical crises, which should be why bankruptcy laws exist, but because she wanted to pursue being a celebrity. Not what I consider trustworthy.

4 hours ago, Axie said:

Watched Eboni on WWHL last night and although I had been indifferent to her, I now dislike her.  She's more subtle than Leah, but, she seems to always be looking for a fight.

Same here. I only watched a few minutes because I just did not want to waste any more time with her. 

1 minute ago, chlban said:

She also discussed how she filed BK and stiffed people she owed money to. Not due to Jon loss or a medical crises, which should be why bankruptcy laws exist, but because she wanted to pursue being a celebrity. Not what I consider trustworthy.

Same here. I only watched a few minutes because I just did not want to waste any more time with her. I was pretty much done after last night's RHONY, those few minutes were just enough to cement my feelings to her.