Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[Cinnabon]

7 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Remember Michael Jackson.   He groomed the parents as well.   Predators exploit vulnerabilities.   Then use that to further their aims.   Miller could have done the same from the parents AND Miller.  

Michael Jackson was exactly who I was thinking of.  Both Jackson and Miller groomed the parents as well as the children.

[aradia22]

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Weeks after unexpectedly losing a lengthy and horribly public trial, Amber Heard is facing yet another setback. Just Jared reported that the actress is going to be cut from the upcoming Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, with her character Mera being recast. A source told the gossip website that Warner Bros. made the decision “after screentesting the movie.” Whoever replaces Heard will play Mera in any subsequent Aquaman and DC movies.

https://www.gawker.com/celebrity/amber-heard-recast-aquaman-2

Grain of salt as I don't know how reliable Just Jared is as a source.

Also, here's an article about Johnny Depp's PR team. Not quoted to avoid any politics though they have a variety of clients... not the best people though I guess you usually need high-profile entertainment PR when you're in trouble and not just to write bland promotional/press statements.

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/11/johnny-depp-film-career-hollywood-amber-heard

[Prairie Rose]

3 minutes ago, aradia22 said:

https://www.gawker.com/celebrity/amber-heard-recast-aquaman-2

Grain of salt as I don't know how reliable Just Jared is as a source.

Also, here's an article about Johnny Depp's PR team. Not quoted to avoid any politics though they have a variety of clients... not the best people though I guess you usually need high-profile entertainment PR when you're in trouble and not just to write bland promotional/press statements.

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/11/johnny-depp-film-career-hollywood-amber-heard

Ms. Heard's rep gave a rebuttal:

https://people.com/movies/amber-heard-slams-report-she-was-cut-from-aquaman-2-inaccurate-and-slightly-insane/

[Vermicious Knid]

During the trial it was confirmed AH's contract as Mera was finished. She was only signed for three movies (JL, A1, A2). They claim the character was not present much in the story right from the start because of the lack of chemistry between her and Jason Momoa. Whether that's true or not any Aquaman 3 movie or subsequent Mera appearances will have a different actress. She's not intrinsic to the character and I doubt it will make much of a difference. Also while she's crying poor she rented a mansion for $20,500 a month and is taking private airplanes.

[MissAlmond]

Kevin Spacey granted bail at U.K. court hearing.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/kevin-spacey-granted-bail-at-uk-sexual-assualt-hearing-hearing-actor-appears-in-london-case-set-for-southwalk-crown-court-1235046730/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-spacey-uk-court-charges-bail-sexual-assault-1235165946/

Edited June 16, 2022 by MissAlmond

[Ms Blue Jay]

I like Leah Remini a lot - I do! - But I was wondering how did she get a job as a SYTYCD judge? Then I realized I had forgotten the Matthew Morrison thing 😄  They still have to show him in flashbacks from previous episodes!

Edited June 16, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[GaT]

I got banned from a sub on Reddit for saying that Amber Heard was her own worst enemy with her testimony. I may send the mods a "I told you so!" email because I'm petty that way.

Juror in Johnny Depp trial says others didn’t believe ‘ice cold’ Amber Heard

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“It didn’t come across as believable,” the juror, who asked to have his name withheld, said in an interview that aired on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“It seemed like she was able to flip the switch on her emotions. She would answer one question and she would be crying and two seconds later she would turn ice cold. It didn’t seem natural.”

[MargeGunderson]

17 minutes ago, GaT said:

I got banned from a sub on Reddit for saying that Amber Heard was her own worst enemy with her testimony. I may send the mods a "I told you so!" email because I'm petty that way.

Juror in Johnny Depp trial says others didn’t believe ‘ice cold’ Amber Heard

Oh, FFS. She didn’t act like they thought a victim should, therefore she wasn’t credible. Where have we heard this before?

[Crashcourse]

That wasn't all the juror said about the trial.

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 The juror said the panel did not believe photos that Heard’s lawyers presented that allegedly showed her face bruised. The juror also questioned why she had bought a knife for Depp as a gift after alleging aggressive behavior, among other concerns.

Also...

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“They had their husband-wife arguments. They were both yelling at each other. I don’t think that makes either of them right or wrong. That’s what you do when you get into an argument, I guess. But to rise to the level of what she was claiming, there wasn’t enough or any evidence that really supported what she was saying,” the juror told “GMA.”

He noted that jurors believed, though, that “they were both abusive to each other.”

So, I don't think it was just because she wasn't acting like a victim should.  

[ParadoxLost]

1 hour ago, MargeGunderson said:

Oh, FFS. She didn’t act like they thought a victim should, therefore she wasn’t credible. Where have we heard this before?

Not in this article.  It quite literally does not say this.  At all.  Anywhere.

[ParadoxLost]

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-deactivates-instagram-as-child-is-granted-court-protection-over-uncomfortable-encounter/

Another accusation against Ezra Miller.

A harrassment prevention order was given last night for a 12 year old child and their mother over an incident with Miller in Feb.

[aradia22]

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All three people who spoke to the outlet said Miller told them during the encounter, "I've talked extensively with your child, and they have a lot of power to them. At one point, you're going to realize that you don't have any control over them anymore. They're an elevated being, and they would be lucky to have someone like me guide them."

??? 

If true, this is a nightmare. Very cult-y.

[GaT]

6 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

That wasn't all the juror said about the trial.

Also...

So, I don't think it was just because she wasn't acting like a victim should.  

So this: 

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He noted that jurors believed, though, that “they were both abusive to each other.”

The whole case was about her calling him a wife beater & whether or not it was true. If the jury felt that they were "abusive to each other", then it was true. How did she lose?

Edited June 17, 2022 by GaT
Because even I don't know what I was saying

[Spartan Girl]

2 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-deactivates-instagram-as-child-is-granted-court-protection-over-uncomfortable-encounter/

Another accusation against Ezra Miller.

A harrassment prevention order was given last night for a 12 year old child and their mother over an incident with Miller in Feb.

This whole case alone is bad enough. But there are some people already using this as an excuse to demonize the LGBTQ community, which is just even more disgusting.

Edited June 16, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[janie jones]

2 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-deactivates-instagram-as-child-is-granted-court-protection-over-uncomfortable-encounter/

Another accusation against Ezra Miller.

A harrassment prevention order was given last night for a 12 year old child and their mother over an incident with Miller in Feb.

What this article doesn't make clear is what Miller was even doing at these people's house. What is their relationship to any of them (the neighbor, the family, etc.)? How do they keep becoming acquainted with these children?

Also, Miller creeped me the fuck out in We Need to Talk About Kevin, and now I think they were just playing themself.

Edited June 16, 2022 by janie jones

[Jaded]

18 minutes ago, GaT said:

The whole case was about her calling him a wife beater & whether or not it was true. If the jury felt that they were "abusive to each other", then it was true. How did she lose?

He and his lawyers succeeded in making her the enemy while her lawyers didn't do a good job of defending her against it. I imagine there could be some self sabotage in regards to Amber's contributions to her own case too going by what I've seen from her recent TV interview. I get what she was trying to accomplish by agreeing to it but it doesn't seem to have done much for her in the court of public opinion.

I was hoping the jurors would award them each a $1 or something similar so whatever they'd owe each other got cancelled out. Instead we have Amber scared he'll sue her again and him being boosted by his celeb friends while on a celebration tour.

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, janie jones said:

What this article doesn't make clear is what Miller was even doing at these people's house. What is their relationship to any of them (the neighbor, the family, etc.)? How do they keep becoming acquainted with these children?

Also, Miller creeped me the fuck out in We Need to Talk About Kevin, and now I think they were just playing themself.

That’s truly a great book and movie, imo. But yes, very very creepy. They definitely cast the right actor.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Guest]

3 hours ago, janie jones said:

What this article doesn't make clear is what Miller was even doing at these people's house. What is their relationship to any of them (the neighbor, the family, etc.)? How do they keep becoming acquainted with these children?

The original news story on Daily Beast has more details. The neighbor is in a band with a close friend of Miller. 

[Blergh]

For the record, I completely disagree that Michael Jackson groomed the parents of the minors he associated with. I believe the minors were exploited by the late Mr. Jackson for his own purposes as well as most of not all of their own so-called parents who I believe were eager to reap material benefits up to and even to the point of their minor offspring's ruination!

As for the parents of the parents trying to ensure the safety of their offspring who it appears that Ezra Miller may have absconded, while I fully agree that they need to throw the book at Mx. Miller for evidently isolating if not abducting their offspring, I can't help but wonder why ANY parent would have wanted that individual to have been in  the same hemisphere as their minors. IOW, better late than never they woke up and smelled the oil well fire but that doesn't mean had been  using their own best judgement possible in having let Mx. Miller MEET much less have had that amount of interaction when their child was still a preteen.  I hope that that individual that Mx. Miller is currently accompanying gets rescued and I hope that they and their parents ALL undergo intense individual and family counseling -including how the parents seemed to fail to have safeguarded their offspring earlier despite Mx. Miller seeming to have had more red flags on display than a Maoist May Day parade (as had the late Mr. Jackson).

[MissAlmond]

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers ask for lighter sentence, stating "difficult childhood" made Maxwell vulnerable to Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/us/ghislaine-maxwell-asks-for-lighter-sentence/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-trafficking-sentence

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-sentence-leniancy-1369698/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61822749

Edited June 17, 2022 by MissAlmond

[merylinkid]

3 minutes ago, MissAlmond said:

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers asks for lighter sentence, stating "difficult childhood" made Maxwell vulnerable to Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/us/ghislaine-maxwell-asks-for-lighter-sentence/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-trafficking-sentence

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-sentence-leniancy-1369698/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61822749

What fucking difficult childhood?    She grew up the spoiled only daughter of one of the richest men in the world.   She was an adult when her dad died, cutting her adrift.   THAT's when she went on a search for a replacement rich man.  Which is what Epstein was.   

[bluegirl147]

50 minutes ago, MissAlmond said:

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers asks for lighter sentence, stating "difficult childhood" made Maxwell vulnerable to Jeffrey Epstein.

She has some fucking nerve.  You know who had difficult childhoods?  Most if not all of  Epstein and Maxwell's victims.  

46 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

What fucking difficult childhood?    She grew up the spoiled only daughter of one of the richest men in the world.   She was an adult when her dad died, cutting her adrift.   THAT's when she went on a search for a replacement rich man.  Which is what Epstein was.   

The woman never worked a day in her life.  And yet with no discernible source of income still was able to live a wealthy lifestyle.  Cry me a river.

[MaggieG]

15 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-deactivates-instagram-as-child-is-granted-court-protection-over-uncomfortable-encounter/

Another accusation against Ezra Miller.

A harrassment prevention order was given last night for a 12 year old child and their mother over an incident with Miller in Feb.

Not that I was super excited to watch it, but I wonder if we're ever going to see The Flash movie at this point.

[scarynikki12]

11 minutes ago, MaggieG said:

Not that I was super excited to watch it, but I wonder if we're ever going to see The Flash movie at this point.

Honestly I think Warner Bros should just go in and replace them with another actor ala Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey. I don’t expect that to happen.

[MaggieG]

8 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

Honestly I think Warner Bros should just go in and replace them with another actor ala Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey. I don’t expect that to happen.

I was actually thinking that they get another actor to be the face. Use CGI to change Ezra's face to the new actor's face, still credit Ezra as the body actor for Flash, have the new actor do all the promotions and cut ties with Ezra. CGI can do wonders these days. 

[Lugal]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

What fucking difficult childhood?    She grew up the spoiled only daughter of one of the richest men in the world.   She was an adult when her dad died, cutting her adrift.   THAT's when she went on a search for a replacement rich man.  Which is what Epstein was.

Completely agree with everything you said, and I want to be clear and I'm not defending her.  If her father was the Mossad agent everyone seemed to think he was, I can see how her worldview would be as skewed as it is.  I've known people who had parents (supposedly) in the CIA and they were some of the most fucked up people I've ever met.

So I can see how she would have had a difficult childhood, but she's a grown woman when she made her choices, so fuck you Ghislaine, when you lay down with wolves...

[ShadowHunter]

On 6/13/2022 at 7:05 PM, anna0852 said:

Between Ezra Miller and Johnny Depp, the Fantastic Beasts series is really screwed 

WB got rid of Depp though. Ezra Miller had a video of him choking a female years ago come out and they kept him. Had WB gotten rid of Ezra after that happened they wouldn't be stuck with him now. 2 grooming allegations is beyond serious. Arrests in Hawaii as well with threats of killing a couple. The WB still has not said anything. Do they think in a year this will be forgotten? 

[Crashcourse]

I wouldn't lump Johnny Depp with Ezra Miller.  At least Depp doesn't look like he eats babies and drinks blood. 

[Jaded]

2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I wouldn't lump Johnny Depp with Ezra Miller.  At least Depp doesn't look like he eats babies and drinks blood. 

The second thing you mentioned regarding blood drinking could be debatable in regards to Depp...🙃

Edited June 17, 2022 by Jaded

[ouinason]

You're right.  I have a severe distaste for Johnny Depp at this point, but nobody is saying that he's done the severely fucked up stuff that EM has apparently done.

Honestly though, even without this new information WB should be making sure that Credence dies off screen if they make another movie for Fantastic Beasts.  

[ParadoxLost]

14 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Not that I was super excited to watch it, but I wonder if we're ever going to see The Flash movie at this point.

I think the problem is that the movie is supposed to set up all the films that follow it.  So just taking the financial hit doesn't actually fix the problem.

14 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

Honestly I think Warner Bros should just go in and replace them with another actor ala Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey. I don’t expect that to happen.

From what I hear EM is in basically in every scene so that is not that easy.

14 hours ago, MaggieG said:

I was actually thinking that they get another actor to be the face. Use CGI to change Ezra's face to the new actor's face, still credit Ezra as the body actor for Flash, have the new actor do all the promotions and cut ties with Ezra. CGI can do wonders these days. 

Speculation is that EM would have to sign off on that.  They can't just CGI someone else on EMs face.

10 hours ago, ShadowHunter said:

WB got rid of Depp though. Ezra Miller had a video of him choking a female years ago come out and they kept him. Had WB gotten rid of Ezra after that happened they wouldn't be stuck with him now. 2 grooming allegations is beyond serious. Arrests in Hawaii as well with threats of killing a couple. The WB still has not said anything. Do they think in a year this will be forgotten? 

I think they have no idea what they are going to do about this and they are going to stay silent until they figure out something to say.  

Edited June 18, 2022 by ParadoxLost

[Jaded]

Vince McMahon Steps Aside as WWE CEO as Board Probes Alleged Misconduct

The part about Stephanie taking a leave of absence last month for "family reasons", coming back to be the the interim CEO/Chairwoman and the description of how she wants to do change things sounds like she knows things need to be changed. I've always thought Vince was a skeevy asshole and former WWE employees have implied that too. I hope the investigation into Vince and the named Talent Manager expose the shitty way women are treated there to a wider audience.  
 

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In its report Wednesday, the Journal reported that Vince McMahon set a separation agreement with the employee in January 2022 that included a $3 million payment doled out over time in exchange for an agreement not to disparage McMahon or the company. WWE board members first learned of the settlement offer through a series of anonymous emails received from an individual claiming to be a friend of the former employee, according to the Journal.

The board’s investigation uncovered other settlement agreements involving McMahon and Laurinaitis, the Journal reported. A WWE spokesman told the Journal that McMahon’s relationship with the woman, who was hired as a paralegal in 2019, was consensual and that the executive used his personal funds to pay the settlements, including those involving Laurinaitis.

[Annber03]

22 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I've always thought Vince was a skeevy asshole and former WWE employees have implied that too. 

Yeah, this news doesn't surprise me in the slightest, either. I watch that series "Dark Side of the Ring", and the amount of times Vince's name seems to pop up in so many of the crazy, scandalous stories that show covers...well, let's just say if one were to make a drinking game out of how many times his name gets mentioned on that show, you'd be wasted by the end of an episode. 

[Vermicious Knid]

Why Ezra Miller won't be replaced in The Flash.
 

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Those eyebrow-raising events have led to speculation about Warner Bros.’ plans for the blockbuster-hopeful, which serves as the first solo film for Barry Allen, a.k.a. the Scarlet Speedster, a.k.a. the Flash. Would the studio actually replace Miller with another actor? Will it jettison the film to HBO Max in an attempt to limit potentially negative fanfare that could accompany a theatrical release? Or will Warner Bros. keep the movie in theaters on June 23, 2023 as planned?

Barring unforeseen developments, sources say, Warners is barreling ahead with intention to give the superhero film the full blockbuster treatment. “The Flash” simply cost too much money to scrap the project entirely and it likely will not generate the revenues needed to turn a profit without playing in theaters. For option three to happen without triggering a major backlash, Miller would need to be on their best behavior. And that’s a big question, because so far Miller has been dogged by one controversy after another, leaving collaborators concerned about the actor’s welfare....

With “The Flash,” insiders say it would not be possible to replace Miller without reshooting the entire movie. They are in just about every scene, and there is not enough digital technology in existence to configure that magic without going back to square one. And redoing the entire film is not a realistic proposition for any movie — much less one that wrapped production months ago and already cost hundreds of millions...

“The thing about superheroes is… it doesn’t really matter who is under the mask,” Bock says. “You can plug and play different actors in those roles.” Though Miller’s take on the character has appeared in several DC-mashups, like “Justice League,” Bock argues they’re not “the face of The Flash yet.” In other words, “Ezra is not Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man.”

[Cinnabon]

11 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I wouldn't lump Johnny Depp with Ezra Miller.  At least Depp doesn't look like he eats babies and drinks blood. 

Appearances can be deceiving 😆.

[Anduin]

3 hours ago, Jaded said:

Vince McMahon Steps Aside as WWE CEO as Board Probes Alleged Misconduct

The part about Stephanie taking a leave of absence last month for "family reasons", coming back to be the the interim CEO/Chairwoman and the description of how she wants to do change things sounds like she knows things need to be changed. I've always thought Vince was a skeevy asshole and former WWE employees have implied that too. I hope the investigation into Vince and the named Talent Manager expose the shitty way women are treated there to a wider audience.  
 

On another site I go to, people describe Stephanie as her father's daughter, to put it politely. She'll continue his policies. Furthermore, they think he'll still be the power behind the throne, and won't give up running WWE while he's able to continue.

It's possible she'll take the opportunity to force him out entirely. There's a certain symmetry to that, he forced his own father out. But I suppose we'll see.

[Kel Varnsen]

4 hours ago, Anduin said:

On another site I go to, people describe Stephanie as her father's daughter, to put it politely. She'll continue his policies. Furthermore, they think he'll still be the power behind the throne, and won't give up running WWE while he's able to continue.

It's possible she'll take the opportunity to force him out entirely. There's a certain symmetry to that, he forced his own father out. But I suppose we'll see.

The whole thing sounds like a more simplistic episode of Succession. He steps down as CEO but installs a family member in that job and still comes to the office every day. And even though he isn't CEO I am sure every major decision gets run by him. Plus my understanding is that he controls so much of the company shares that it would be extremely difficult for the board to permanently remove him if he didn't want to leave.

[Anduin]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The whole thing sounds like a more simplistic episode of Succession. He steps down as CEO but installs a family member in that job and still comes to the office every day. And even though he isn't CEO I am sure every major decision gets run by him. Plus my understanding is that he controls so much of the company shares that it would be extremely difficult for the board to permanently remove him if he didn't want to leave.

Yes, that sounds about right. Unless he's locked up or declared mentally unfit or something drastic, he's probably going to die running the company.

[merylinkid]

8 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

For option three to happen without triggering a major backlash, Miller would need to be on their best behavior.

From the article.   This is not happening.   Miller is hiding from the authorities who need to serve them with the restraining order.   They went on instagram and allegedly made a bunch of toasts making fun of the authorities for  not being able to find them.   So behaving does not seem to be on their list of things to do.

Warner is hoping that in 12 months people will have forgotten all of this and moved on to the next scandal.   Although it doesn't seem their contingency planning involves what to do if the start of the movie is in jail.

[DearEvette]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Warner is hoping that in 12 months people will have forgotten all of this and moved on to the next scandal.   Although it doesn't seem their contingency planning involves what to do if the start of the movie is in jail.

That only works if Miller lies low.  From the way they are acting out, I have doubts that will happen.  If anything it almost feels like they are escalating in their bad behavior.  The taunting of law enforcement is a particularly bad sign because it seems to exhibit no real remorse and worse a sense of self congratulation for eluding the law.  It may give them a false sense of confidence and may make them more reckless.

[ShadowHunter]

1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

That only works if Miller lies low.  From the way they are acting out, I have doubts that will happen.  If anything it almost feels like they are escalating in their bad behavior.  The taunting of law enforcement is a particularly bad sign because it seems to exhibit no real remorse and worse a sense of self congratulation for eluding the law.  It may give them a false sense of confidence and may make them more reckless.

I don't want anyone harmed physically or mentally but hopefully Miller gets caught not because of harm but still caught and gets in real trouble. Maybe a Judge puts a ton of restrictions on him because WB basically saying nothing and hoping this blows over makes me mad. I feel bad for the others involved in the movie but WB deserves this thing dragging on. Miller is not even that special of an actor. I say again he should have been dropped a few years ago. Just because he could be weird, funny, creepy and quirky please I watch American Horror Story Evan Peters can do all that as well lol. Funny Evan will probably play Ezra when Ryan Murphy turns this saga into one of his crime shows. 

[aradia22]

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Funny Evan will probably play Ezra when Ryan Murphy turns this saga into one of his crime shows. 

Wrong bone structure. You need more of a Timothee Chalamet. 

Ezra Miller is basically in Armie Hammer/Kevin Spacey territory now. I get that it's not a supporting role you can edit out but saying nothing and keeping him from the press tour is not a good enough plan for dealing with The Flash situation.

Didn't Hollywood contracts used to have some kind of respectability clause? They should really start insuring against "volatile" stars just in case... or preferably not working with them at all.

[Ms Blue Jay]

I can't believe they're not firing Ezra.  This is disgusting.

Edited June 18, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[Spartan Girl]

Crazy idea because he’s older than Ezra, but Adam Driver could replace them! They almost look alike and it be nice to see Adam play someone fun-loving enough to erase the bad taste of Kylo Ren. Just a suggestion…

[Trini]

11 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I can't believe they're not firing Ezra.  This is disgusting.

They're definitely not going to do any more projects with Miller, but they can't fire them from a movie that's already finished.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/ezra-miller-the-flash-fate-warner-bros-discovery-david-zaslav-1235048001/

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I'm just trying to think of any previous Hollywood scandal where the lead of a big budget film might potentially be in jail before the film is released.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Trini
oops grammar

[Kel Varnsen]

15 hours ago, Anduin said:

Yes, that sounds about right. Unless he's locked up or declared mentally unfit or something drastic, he's probably going to die running the company.

I used to be big into pro wrestling back in the 90's and even owned a bit of WWE stock at one point. One thing I remember about owning it is how the basic stock people could buy had no voting powers and all voting stock was controlled by Vince and other important people. So while I am no investment expert that makes me think he will step down for awhile (while still being in control unofficially). Then there will be an investigation with some findings and some changes in HR policies. Then some (probably short) time later when people don't care as much he will be back in the big job. Because if he has all the voting shares, if the board fires him can't he just fire them?

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, Trini said:

They're definitely not going to do any more projects with Miller, but they can't fire him from a movie that's already finished.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/ezra-miller-the-flash-fate-warner-bros-discovery-david-zaslav-1235048001/

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I'm just trying to think of any previous Hollywood scandal where the lead of a big budget film might potentially be in jail before the film is released.

I know you can't do that but obviously other people have worked around things like this like the Kevin Spacey / Christopher Plummer situation.

They could reshoot the movie with a different actor, but they don't want to, because they see it as a waste of money.  It shows where their priorities lie and considering they have enough money to do so I find it really cynical and disgusting and that's my opinion.

[Vermicious Knid]

No, they can't. The movie is essentially in the can and Miller is in practically every shot. They aren't going to spend another $200 million and start from scratch. WBD has all but said he's out of any further projects.

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I know you can't do that but obviously other people have worked around things like this like the Kevin Spacey / Christopher Plummer situation.

They could reshoot the movie with a different actor, but they don't want to, because they see it as a waste of money.  It shows where their priorities lie and considering they have enough money to do so I find it really cynical and disgusting and that's my opinion.

What was done with Spacey and Plummer wouldn’t work in this situation. Reshooting just isn’t feasible. He is supposed to be in nearly every scene of the movie. It would push the movie back to 2024 or 2025. Plus Flash was set to be the lynchpin in DC’s plans going forward. They’ve painted themselves into a corner with no good options because they based the movie that was supposed to be one of their best on a powder keg. 

I am a comic movie fan and want to see a good Flash movie but in many ways this feels like karma for how badly they handled the Joss Whedon situation. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

There are a lot of movies that have been made that were never released.  There were a lot of movies made that were released only to streaming or only to physical media. There have been a lot of movies that changed after filming.  There are options that exist besides this movie has to be released to theatres as is.  There were so many movies that never made it to theaters in the past 3 years for much tinier controversies than this one.

I really wonder what kind of contract Ezra Miller signed and I really have to wonder if he has somehow not broken it, what that contract allows people to do  because I guess it would be basically anything.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay