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14 hours ago, DonnaMae said:

 

She did?  I didn't see that.

I admit that I might be reading too much into it. However, Helen did NOT expressly tell James that if he was to accept  the Glasgow position, they'd be through since she'd never consider leaving her family, land, friends and all she had ever known. While I admit that maybe I jumped the gun on this, I took her support of James in possibly deciding on the Glasgow position instead of declaring them OVER if he took it as a sign that she wouldn't have been totally against the idea of moving there with him IF James were to decide to accept said position. 

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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Kudos to Siegfried's lady friend for getting everyone out of the room after Siegfried dropped the test result bomb in a quick and classy way, everyone absolutely booked it out of there. She certainly showed way more class then Tristan's date, who seemed to show up just to be an ass to Helen for leaving Hugh, like she had to witness the farmers daughter who turned down landed gentry with her own eyes. 

She didn't just turn him down. She changed her mind at the very last minute. I could understand a good friend of Hugh being upset no matter what the runaway bride's social class. Should have kept it to herself though.

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2 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Also in the original, Diana Brompton was a much younger woman, a snobbish socialite who was reliably rude to James and somewhat dismissive of Helen. The current writers' habit of taking the names of already established characters and slapping them on different characters is only one of the things annoying me about the series.

This annoys me too.

The horse James attended to on the Alderson farm last night was named Candy. In the book Candy was Mr. Alderson's favorite cow. Small detail, but why not just give the horse a different name?

Same with Diana Brompton. Other than being blond the TV version has nothing in common with the book version.

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13 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Wouldn't it have been a train ride in those days? 

For some people, yes. When James first came to Yorkshire for his interview (and ended up staying), he'd have travelled by train (and then by bus to his final destination). And that would also have been a slow journey - steam train, with many stops along the route. But people did own cars in 1938, obviously, so the journey was also driveable, just long and slow.

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6 minutes ago, Llywela said:

For some people, yes. When James first came to Yorkshire for his interview (and ended up staying), he'd have travelled by train (and then by bus to his final destination). And that would also have been a slow journey - steam train, with many stops along the route. But people did own cars in 1938, obviously, so the journey was also driveable, just long and slow.

He started for home in the car at Christmas time. The others spoke of it as if he wouldn’t get there until late at night. So, maybe 6-8 hours? He was delayed getting off (maybe it was a vet call), and when he got to the crossroads (where he mistakenly got off the bus in episode one), he seemed to decide that it wasn’t worth the freezing hours in the car and turned back. 

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Siegfried claims to want to shore up Tristan’s confidence, but the minute he accomplishes that and Tristan brags even a bit about his well-done job, Siegfried slaps him cruelly. Siegfried is his own worst enemy as well as Tristan’s. 
 

As someone upthread said about the OS and qualifying, the parasitology exam simply needs to be taken again and passed. For all the months of lying and deception, that could have been accomplished by now. Third time’s the charm, no? Just think, he’s got real life exposure to the parasitic bronchitis (husk) worm. 

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I was a little surprised that Fancy Blonde mistook Mrs. Hall for Siegfried's wife. I thought he was well-known to be unattached. It made me wonder if she was disingenuous and trying to make everyone uncomfortable, from the moment she walked in the door. 

I also noticed in one scene, it was pouring rain and then the next it was dry and sunny. I realize that the weather might change, but it looked like an entirely different day, and I thought the plot was implying that it wasn't. Just a small continuity issue, surely related to the filming schedule. But I don't usually notice things like that, so it took me out of the moment. Or maybe I was mistaken and it was me already being a bit lost, to think it was an error.

Tristan was wrong to brag about deceiving a client (about his shoulder), because surely that story would make the rounds and bother the client he did it to, and undermine trust with future clients. I don't know how you come back from that. And then Siegfried was wrong, not only to lie but then to blurt the truth in the way he did. I don't know how you come back from that, either. But, all in all, I agree it's drama unnecessary for the show, and I wish they'd focus on the animal stories and less on the interpersonal melodrama. I enjoyed the animal stories. 

That dog was adorable in the final scene, with Siegfried in his chair and the dog in full love mode. I do wonder where Jess has been, though. Mrs Hall even suggested Jess keep the patient of the week dog company, yet Jess did not appear.

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3 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

She didn't just turn him down. She changed her mind at the very last minute. I could understand a good friend of Hugh being upset no matter what the runaway bride's social class. Should have kept it to herself though.

That's fair, even if she was still being needlessly rude about it, especially as seeing Helen was apparently a selling point for her coming to dinner. Its good for the long term that Helen called things off because she didn't feel that way about him, but, in the words of the classic romance The Wedding Singer, that information probably could have been a lot more useful to Hugh yesterday

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11 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I was a little surprised that Fancy Blonde mistook Mrs. Hall for Siegfried's wife. I thought he was well-known to be unattached. It made me wonder if she was disingenuous and trying to make everyone uncomfortable, from the moment she walked in the door. 

 

 

I caught that and I think she was trying to be rude. 

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1 hour ago, Daff said:

He started for home in the car at Christmas time. The others spoke of it as if he wouldn’t get there until late at night. So, maybe 6-8 hours? He was delayed getting off (maybe it was a vet call), and when he got to the crossroads (where he mistakenly got off the bus in episode one), he seemed to decide that it wasn’t worth the freezing hours in the car and turned back. 

I mean, I can't emphasise enough how difficult some of those rural Yorkshire roads still are to drive on today (steep, narrow, winding - treacherous), never mind with the kind of rickety old car James had use of in 1938, so yes, it would have been slow going just getting out of the county, never mind all the way up to Glasgow!

6 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I also noticed in one scene, it was pouring rain and then the next it was dry and sunny. I realize that the weather might change, but it looked like an entirely different day, and I thought the plot was implying that it wasn't. Just a small continuity issue, surely related to the filming schedule. But I don't usually notice things like that, so it took me out of the moment. Or maybe I was mistaken and it was me already being a bit lost, to think it was an error.

It may well have been a continuity error, but rest assured, the weather in these parts can and does shift as dramatically as that, pouring rain one minute and bright sunshine the next (and possibly hail half an hour after that), so the juxtaposition of those scenes wouldn't seem at all out of place to me, even if they probably were filmed on separate days!

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I think that Mrs. Hall is considered part of the family, but I thought it was a bit odd that she sat at the dinner table with them when there were guests.  I can't help but wonder what will happen to her if and when Siegfried marries.  I'm sure I'm in the minority here because I really think she would be a perfect wife for Siegfried (even though it wasn't in the books).

 

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I was a little surprised that Fancy Blonde mistook Mrs. Hall for Siegfried's wife. I thought he was well-known to be unattached. It made me wonder if she was disingenuous and trying to make everyone uncomfortable, from the moment she walked in the door. 

I took it as a demonstration of her being so self-absorbed as to not know/recall what Siegfried's status was. Either way, she was a bitch*. Do better, Tris.

*And not the good kind the practice is used to.

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7 hours ago, DonnaMae said:

I think that Mrs. Hall is considered part of the family, but I thought it was a bit odd that she sat at the dinner table with them when there were guests.  I can't help but wonder what will happen to her if and when Siegfried marries.  I'm sure I'm in the minority here because I really think she would be a perfect wife for Siegfried (even though it wasn't in the books).

 

“Odd”? Not at all, my dear @DONNAMAE. What will happen when and if Siegfried marries is that Audrey will become his wife. You see, Margot isn’t being bitchy, she’s merely being observant and/or prescient, as befits a female member of her private-school-educated class. And you may very well be in the majority here. Watch again the barely repressed desire fully evident in the chair-fixing scene. (There’s arguably more heat in that than anything we’ve seen between you know who.)

I can even provide you a glimpse into this foreordained future, here, with Siegfried, and here, with someone younger and more handsome. The fact that Maderley is ten years younger and far more attractive than West, even to women, will prove no barrier to this endgame. Meanwhile, appreciate the thrilling anticipation of sexual transformation that will seem to take forever in its deliverance. It will be like a child waiting to hear a parent read Hans Christian Anderson’s The Ugly Duckling at bedtime, or an American adolescent typing “librarian porn” into a Google search bar. [But where are her eyeglasses?, the more pedantically depraved will surely complain. Remember, though, she’s an ex-Wren sharpshooter, and can’t be made to need eyeglasses. That would be inconsistent and illogical, and we can’t have that on this PBS show, now can we?]

What fully cements the prospect of this marital relationship, however, is a long-awaited glimmer of culture from Siegfried:

“O what can ail thee, dog [knight]-at-arms, 

Alone and palely loitering?”

This vet knows him some Keats.

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Oh, Siegfried....Blurting out the truth about Tristan failing his exams in front of non family - it would have been humiliating enough in front of family alone. But to do it that way I am sure Tristan's date will spread this around and there are going to be people who won't have Tristan treating their animals.  Bad for Tristan and bad for the practice.

I see only one fix, Tristan must pass those exams. He did eventually in the books. I don't like story lines where characters I like get humiliated.

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2 hours ago, magdalene said:

I see only one fix, Tristan must pass those exams. He did eventually in the books. I don't like story lines where characters I like get humiliated.

It was hard to watch and another thing I wish the writers wouldn't do to us is worry us too much about the animals.  I didn't really enjoy the first half of the episode because I kept thinking there was something really wrong with the dog who had surgery, a blood clot or something.  They would be eating or talking in the parlor and I'd be saying, "Go check the dog."  

Something else that is true to British manners, but always bothers me, is the way they keep people standing outside the front door until they justify their presence, with a satisfactory explanation.  I noticed it when I lived among the English, and my Scottish neighbor was just the same.  Audrey most likely knew Margot by sight and, in any case, she's a nonthreatening girl with flowers, clearly expecting to be invited in, but she had to come up with several reasons first. 

If I open the front door and see someone I recognize, even vaguely, I say, "Hi! Come  on in!" and once in she can tell me she's here to sell Avon or complain about my dog, whatever, she doesn't have to say it, standing on the stoop like a beggar. Not blaming Audrey, they all seem to do it.

My favorite this episode was Siegfried's woman friend leaving the awkward birthday party and lightening the atmosphere with her little joke about always enjoying, "dinner and a show."  Now that's good. breeding.

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19 hours ago, Blergh said:

I admit that I might be reading too much into it. However, Helen did NOT expressly tell James that if he was to accept  the Glasgow position, they'd be through since she'd never consider leaving her family, land, friends and all she had ever known. While I admit that maybe I jumped the gun on this, I took her support of James in possibly deciding on the Glasgow position instead of declaring them OVER if he took it as a sign that she wouldn't have been totally against the idea of moving there with him IF James were to decide to accept said position. 

Well, what's her plan if she doesn't marry James? Pickings appear to be pretty slim in the area. She said she didn't plan on living with her father forever. 

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1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

I kept thinking there was something really wrong with the dog who had surgery, a blood clot or something.  They would be eating or talking in the parlor and I'd be saying, "Go check the dog."  

Me too. It bugged me the entire episode.

Also, I thought the dog was too close to the electric fire.

And I wondered if it (she?) was in labor. All that whining - PBS loves a dramatic birth scene (Call the Midwives).

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I thought it was a bit much that even when he knew both James and Tristan were on call, instead of staying at Skeldale House to tend to that a single distressed dog, Siegfried instead opted to snoop on Tristan's progress. And how was it that there was just ONE animal to be attended to that whole day in that clinic? Was every other cat, dog, parakeet,etc. in Darrowby somehow accident-free and/or in perfect health that day?

And it was frustrating to hear that poor dog' pleas with everyone ignoring him once they'd put him in front of that heater.

I guess since we heard nothing more about that dog after Siegfried imploded Tristan's birthday party, the audience was to assume that the dog had nothing that needed tending to from any of the vets. . .but if that's the case, then why was this dog supposed to have been there in the first place?  

Seriously, it would have worked better if they just had the party on the ONE day in which not a SINGLE pet had gotten brought into Skeldale House.

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18 hours ago, DonnaMae said:

I think that Mrs. Hall is considered part of the family, but I thought it was a bit odd that she sat at the dinner table with them when there were guests.  I can't help but wonder what will happen to her if and when Siegfried marries.  I'm sure I'm in the minority here because I really think she would be a perfect wife for Siegfried (even though it wasn't in the books).

 

If and when Siegfried marries, the practice and remaining residents of Skeldale House will still need a housekeeper. As to the direction that Audrey be seated at the table, it simply shows the writers’ and director’s ignorance of the social sensibilities of that decade. I think THEY can’t look back any further than the ‘50-60’s. This is something the producers kept in the fore while making the original, and there were many times when James felt uncomfortable at the tables of both farmers and manor folk. It took him quite a while to become comfortable sipping the obligatory sherry in Mrs. P’s living room (if she even called it that). 

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3 minutes ago, Daff said:

As to the direction that Audrey be seated at the table, it simply shows the writers’ and director’s ignorance of the social sensibilities of that decade.

The writers know the way things were back then, they just choose to not show it.  This is a fantasy England in the '40s with a 2022 sensibility.  Housekeepers eating dinner with the masters of the house is just one example.

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5 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I didn't really enjoy the first half of the episode because I kept thinking there was something really wrong with the dog who had surgery, a blood clot or something.  They would be eating or talking in the parlor and I'd be saying, "Go check the dog."  

This incident took up much more time in an OS episode and was much louder, for much longer. The characters actually had to shout over the howling to converse. Some animals howl and whine as anesthesia wears off. The problem in the original was, that particular pet was taking an inordinate amount of time coming out of it. I kind of get why they’d want to let it wear off naturally, though. As soon as the dog is fully awake, it would need pain meds. 

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3 hours ago, Blergh said:

And it was frustrating to hear that poor dog' pleas with everyone ignoring him once they'd put him in front of that heater.

I guess since we heard nothing more about that dog after Siegfried imploded Tristan's birthday party, the audience was to assume that the dog had nothing that needed tending to from any of the vets. . .but if that's the case, then why was this dog supposed to have been there in the first place?  

I was worried about the dog the whole time!  Though I felt better once Audrey took pity on him and let him follow her around - he jumped up quickly and happily, with wagging tail, and trotted off easily to the kitchen with her.  It was only then that I relaxed, but the thought was still in the back of my head something would go wrong during dinner...

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9 minutes ago, izabella said:

I was worried about the dog the whole time!  Though I felt better once Audrey took pity on him and let him follow her around - he jumped up quickly and happily, with wagging tail, and trotted off easily to the kitchen with her.  It was only then that I relaxed, but the thought was still in the back of my head something would go wrong during dinner...

All I could think about was that he was way too close to that heater.

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3 hours ago, izabella said:

I was worried about the dog the whole time!  Though I felt better once Audrey took pity on him and let him follow her around - he jumped up quickly and happily, with wagging tail, and trotted off easily to the kitchen with her.  It was only then that I relaxed, but the thought was still in the back of my head something would go wrong during dinner...

As was mentioned above (and as was true in the book) the dog was taking a very long time waking up from the anesthesia and was in no shape to be jumping or trotting.  This show made it seem very different from the original, or from the book.  Tristan had been left in the house to watch over the dog and he was driven to putting wads of paper in his ears to try to drown out the sounds.  The dog in the original was very heavily under while making all the noise. What was portrayed in this episode was way off the mark.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, labresq said:

As was mentioned above (and as was true in the book) the dog was taking a very long time waking up from the anesthesia and was in no shape to be jumping or trotting.  This show made it seem very different from the original, or from the book.  Tristan had been left in the house to watch over the dog and he was driven to putting wads of paper in his ears to try to drown out the sounds.  The dog in the original was very heavily under while making all the noise. What was portrayed in this episode was way off the mark.

 

 

I'm getting more and more disillusioned by stuff like this. I was a vet tech, mostly because of the books. And yes, some animals take a long time coming out of anesthesia and they all react differently. I wish they would focus more on the veterinary aspects of the stories and leave the soapy crap to the soaps.

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OK several points have been made about life in  1930's  England.   Mrs. Hall would never sit down with her employer at a dinner party, she would not eat other meals with them either.  I agree that the original dog story was much, much better.   This was half-assed.  The whole kitchen looks fake and the cast don't seem like they are these people at all - they seem like actors:   most especially at the dinner party.  I hate this depressed, dour Tristan.   He is an anti-Tristan at best.   Tristan in the old series and the books always had a glint in his eye and was  indolent and oozing charm  and lovable!   Yes, where are all the animals.   This is a busy, busy practice.  There was only one dog there.   Whomever mentioned "doggy bag", good spot.   There was no such thing at that time.    

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I think the lack of animals/ tweaks to the animal storylines are budget- and practicality-driven. This show doesn't seem to have a CGI budget, and I think its "fake animal" budget is mainly used on the large animals (i.e. a fake cow rectum for Tris to have his arm up, etc.). Real animals are also presumably pricey to use/ not necessarily fun to work with. (I kind of think that's why we don't seem to see Jess a lot whenever there's another dog at Skeldale House that week.) Plus there are a lot of regulations to what you can do with real animals. (I think someone posted an article here last year that mentioned the old series used to have the actors sticking their hands inside real cows, etc., which wouldn't fly nowadays... I think both the actors and the animal people would balk at that!)

Now, could they do a better job with the budget they have? Maybe. But it seems like they'd rather not...

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6 hours ago, Doublemint said:

I hate this depressed, dour Tristan.   He is an anti-Tristan at best. 

It did seem as though Davies’s character portrayed oodles of charm and confidence everywhere else, except in Siegfried’s presence. Maybe in this version, the actor is dragging leftover characteristics from the Durrell gig? Very similar storyline circumstances (familial scapegoat). 

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OK, I can believe that the NS Farnons may have been laisse faire enough to have had Mrs. Hall share meals with them at the very same table en famille (and with their closest, nonjudgmental family friends) but at what was supposed to be a formal dinner party with two somewhat unknown (and potentially hostile) parties? I don't think so.

How difficult would it have for them to have had Mrs. Hall bring in newer courses to serve at the formal dinner table and have had Margot's dissing Helen and Siegfried's Bombshell happen during those times? Playwrights and authors have found ways to choreograph servants witnessing key moments of their employers' lives  while doing their ostensible tasks for millennia.

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5 hours ago, Daff said:

It did seem as though Davies’s character portrayed oodles of charm and confidence everywhere else, except in Siegfried’s presence. Maybe in this version, the actor is dragging leftover characteristics from the Durrell gig? Very similar storyline circumstances (familial scapegoat). 

Well, I can see WHY Tristan would have become so unquestionably gobsmackedly depressed after Siegfried's Bombshell. It wasn't just that he found out that he had NOT technically become qualified to have been a full-fledged vet, Tristan also found out that his own brother had covered it up AND would have had reason to wonder if Siegfried ultimately had had zero sincere confidence in his skills and abilities. 

The sad irony is that Callum Woodhouse had previously said that Tristan's own cheerfulness had often cheered him up so having Tristan have had the wind taken out of his sails likely was a bummer for him to have portrayed. 

I'll be interested to see how long this state remains and/or what may get Tristan to 'bounce back' but, at least for the next episode, I think Tristan feeling totally bummed out would be understandable. 

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6 minutes ago, Blergh said:

at least for the next episode, I think Tristan feeling totally bummed out would be understandable. 

I get what you’re saying, but truly hope he bounces back. Don’t think I want to see him miserable for another 45 minute episode. It’s needless, really. Not like school and licensing in the US. He’s completed the course work, so no more classes. Just take the test, again, again. I’m still perplexed WHY big brother refused to tell him. Really manipulative thing to do, as Tristan probably could have fixed it by now. Lousy story telling. 

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39 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Well, I can see WHY Tristan would have become so unquestionably gobsmackedly depressed after Siegfried's Bombshell. It wasn't just that he found out that he had NOT technically become qualified to have been a full-fledged vet, Tristan also found out that his own brother had covered it up AND would have had reason to wonder if Siegfried ultimately had had zero sincere confidence in his skills and abilities. 

The sad irony is that Callum Woodhouse had previously said that Tristan's own cheerfulness had often cheered him up so having Tristan have had the wind taken out of his sails likely was a bummer for him to have portrayed. 

I'll be interested to see how long this state remains and/or what may get Tristan to 'bounce back' but, at least for the next episode, I think Tristan feeling totally bummed out would be understandable. 

While it's true he is feeling bad because of his not passing and Sigfreid lying to him about it.   The character he returns to is still not the charming, fun-loving Tristan of the former series and books.   As pointed out by @DAFF, he seems to be the Durrel's at Corfu character instead.    Also, I forgot to mention in my previous post that Sigfieid  had 5 to 7 pet dogs at Skeldale House.  So, there was always a chaotic atmosphere there.   Miss all that.   Never see the one dog Jess, and Sigfreid has mentioned he doesn't get "pets" only working animals.

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On 2/1/2022 at 3:32 AM, JudyObscure said:

It was hard to watch and another thing I wish the writers wouldn't do to us is worry us too much about the animals.  I didn't really enjoy the first half of the episode because I kept thinking there was something really wrong with the dog who had surgery, a blood clot or something.  They would be eating or talking in the parlor and I'd be saying, "Go check the dog."  

Something else that is true to British manners, but always bothers me, is the way they keep people standing outside the front door until they justify their presence, with a satisfactory explanation.  I noticed it when I lived among the English, and my Scottish neighbor was just the same.  Audrey most likely knew Margot by sight and, in any case, she's a nonthreatening girl with flowers, clearly expecting to be invited in, but she had to come up with several reasons first. 

If I open the front door and see someone I recognize, even vaguely, I say, "Hi! Come  on in!" and once in she can tell me she's here to sell Avon or complain about my dog, whatever, she doesn't have to say it, standing on the stoop like a beggar. Not blaming Audrey, they all seem to do it.

My favorite this episode was Siegfried's woman friend leaving the awkward birthday party and lightening the atmosphere with her little joke about always enjoying, "dinner and a show."  Now that's good. breeding.

It's actually very common for dogs to howl and bark when coming out of anesthesia. When my old girl had to have surgery, I could hear her howling her dear little head off when the vet called to let me know it went well and that she didn't have cancer as we'd suspected. We both had a good laugh at her showing her displeasure with the whole ordeal.

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36 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

Also Florence Scanwell, the blind, preaching woman who stood outside the bawdy houses in Harlots condemning them to hell for their wicked ways!

just to complete that for those whose short term memory is as poor as mine, this is talking about Dorothy Atkinson who plays Siegfried's love interest Diana Brompton. My husband and I watched that season of Harlots, and even he (who seems to recognize every single actor and can reel off where he's seen them before) did not catch this one! (I on the other hand am notoriously face blind. Maybe I can pretend to have figured this out by myself! Hmmm...... she looks familiar..... wasn't she in.....?)

 

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6 hours ago, dleighg said:

just to complete that for those whose short term memory is as poor as mine, this is talking about Dorothy Atkinson who plays Siegfried's love interest Diana Brompton. My husband and I watched that season of Harlots, and even he (who seems to recognize every single actor and can reel off where he's seen them before) did not catch this one! (I on the other hand am notoriously face blind. Maybe I can pretend to have figured this out by myself! Hmmm...... she looks familiar..... wasn't she in.....?)

 

It took me a little bit to figure it out. I think it was because the bonnet she wore obscured her face a little. I love her character on All Things and hope she's in more episodes!

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Something else occurred to me re Tristan's Birthday Party: correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an episode last season in which Siegfried referred to having visited or seen their mother? If so, that means she DOES exist in the New Series so where was she during her younger son's birthday? Virtually every mother I've ever known or heard of with a breath left in her has made every effort imaginable to BE at their offspring's birthdays (or send very compelling and/or tragic regrets beyond their control).  I know that she was supposed to be dreaded while  never depicted in the OS and Books but, if she's still exists, would it have killed the scriptwriters to have dropped some line about why she wasn't there for own son's birthday party(even if it was a lame instead of compelling reason)?

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Cricket match-themed episodes are always so entertaining lololol. Good match but nothing will ever hold a candle to The Durrells iconic cricket episode for me.

Knew Blondie and Hugh would hook up eventually.

Yay for communication! Glad Hugh and Helen got a chance to talk things out.

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Were the books or the original series so light on animal stories, though? I feel like they're only barely nodding toward the vet practice this season. It's mostly become a romance show and that's annoying to me. If the original series is mostly animal stuff, I might try to track that down.

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