S07.E03: Fire In The Hole

[Helena Dax]

 

And Anna Camp in this role cracks me up so I was glad to see her again. Of course Sarah Newlin would find a new religion and reinvent herself. And cheesy as it was, I did chuckle when the thought of hunting her down and killing her was what gave Eric the will to live just a little bit longer. Hee.

This! It was my favourite part of the episode. Sarah Newlin is absolutely hilarious, Anna Camp makes an amazing job.

 

I hated the Sylvie stuff. Of course he's met thousands of people during the last 1.000 years, but if she was soooo important for him, why is this the first time they talk about her? I mean, I know these things happen, TV shows do that all the time, but this is the last season and Sylvie's story feels super random. 

 

I also hated Alcide's death. He wasn't one of my favourite characters, but I have the feeling he died just because the writers think it'd be shocking. And dear writers, do you know what would be shocking on True Blood? Plots with sense. 

 

And what was the point of Bill's flashback ffs?

 

Oh, I forgot, there was another thing I liked, the scenes with Lala and that kid (James?). They're both very "live and let live". 

 

Lettie Mae is absolutely horrid and nothing will make me change my mind. 

[Avaleigh]

I so wanted Maxine Fortenberry's heart to be pitch black. On a show like this they could have made that happen.

Hate watching is exactly the way to describe slogging through this mess. Sookie just continues to suck and be stupid and I'm inclined to agree that she helped kill Alcide.

I don't have anything against Alcide and I'll certainly miss looking at his body but I was completely underwhelmed with his death just as I was with Tara's . I can't put my finger on why these deaths are having no effect on me whatsoever because I'm pretty sure I would have been bummed and sad if these characters were killed a couple of seasons ago..

I don't even hate Bill and Sookie together but they are boring to me and if they're the end game, it's not a dealbreaker for me so much as I'm amazed that they think we should care.

The one damn character whose story I was looking forward to seeing this season was Eric's and I'm already disappointed with what they're doing. What is so special about Sylvie and why are we just now hearing about her? Eric came off almost foolish and immature in those scenes. He puts them in a deadly situation because he doesn't want to fuck indoors? This show is really too ridiculous.

A couple of small moments I liked:

I did LOL upon getting the info that Lettie Mae's booze of choice is apparently Captain Morgan.

Loved Pam and Nan in their 80s ensembles and liked the moment where they contemplate how they might have been friends.

Best moment--Eric wanting to hang on long enough to deal with the injustice of Sarah Fucking Newlin still being alive. The only thing that bothered me about that scene is that Pam made it seem like Jason let Sarah live as some kind of betrayal and I didn't see it that way and I say this as someone who is totallyfine with her character being taken out by whichever vamp gets to her first.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Avaleigh

[Anne Elk]

You know this show has gone downhill when the only interesting thing in an episode is Nan Flanagan. In a pointless flashback, no less.

 

My eyes rolled right out of my head and down the hallway during the Sookie/Bill dialogue. Just get them together already, show, so we can stop wasting time on them! Everyone knows it's coming, so get it over with! Also, I am 100% done with Stephen Moyer's half-assed Elvis impression.

 

Was I hallucinating or were they kind of hinting around at a possible Jessica/Jason/Violet love triangle?

 

Loved Eric's '80s hair, copied right from the cast of St. Elmo's Fire. I kept expecting him to grab a saxophone and start soloing.

 

So now half the show is Deliverance with even stupider characters, and the other half seems to be turning into a Yakuza movie. What the freaking hell?

Edited July 7, 2014 by Anne Elk

[Avaleigh]

Just so I'm clear, the people in this episode who were after Sarah are there because she killed that woman in the vamp camp, right? So Sarah has two groups looking for her, the vampires and the people from the corporation.

Considering how many people are looking for her, why she wouldn't want to be lower profile is beyond me but then I guess she wouldn't be Sarah Newlin.

I'm wondering if Sookie's blood is going to factor in at all to making a cure for the virus.

I did enjoy the scenes with Lafayette and James. My only problem is that I don't really see this guy as the James who is with Jessica. The casting change really didn't do this story any favors IMO.

[SomeJabroni]

Having come back to this show after loving the first 2 seasons, despising the third, and quitting altogether sometime a couple of years ago, I find myself pleasantly surprised by how much I am enjoying it all.  Caveat:  Suckie and Beel are the worst.  Quite frankly, I hope they do end up together.  They deserve each other.

 

Do I care one whit about Sylvie?  lol...Sylvie who?  But I care plenty about nekkid Eric.  Jason...Sylvie....it's all pink in the dark.  But seriously, given the absolute silliness of the plotlines, I am grateful for the fanservice provided by nekkid Eric.  His actual storyline doesn't particularly interest me, but I am glad that he & Pam have teamed up again.  For some reason, I really like those two.  Too bad Pam and Nan couldn't have been "friends."  That's an Authoritah (tm Eric Cartman) that would've commanded my attention!

 

I can't remember how the books went (I power read them when the series first started), so the TV plotline deviating from the books doesn't really bother me, unlike with Game of Thrones.  We wouldn't have had Lafayette otherwise.  But Tara.  Poor, poor Tara.  I never really cared much for her character - which isn't the same as disliking the character, more that I just didn't care one way or the other - but, really, Alcide gets a better death scene than her??!?  Alcide, bringer of the Debbie Pelt/werepanther storylines?  Alcide, the only man prettier AND dumber than Jason?  Alcide?  Really??!?  Without the beauty of his perfectly sculpted abs, nekkid Eric becomes all the more important, n'est-ce pas?

 

Then there's Sarah Newlin.  That crazy beeyotch has become one of my favorite characters.  Again - not sure how/if she was in the books, but her character on the show really makes me laugh.  I especially laughed when, after she and the Yogi have sex, she says in that post-coital breathless voice, "Namaste."  Come to think of it, I find myself laughing about a lot of the storylines/actions of characters on this show.  Perhaps I've been going about it all wrong.  Instead of this being a drama about vampires and the fae who love them, it's a comedy.  Hmmmm.  Maybe I should go back and watch the previous couple of seasons in *that* mindset.

[perseophonedreams]

I found Sylvie stupid because I couldn't figure out WHY Eric would be so enamored with her.  She came across as dim and vapid.

 

Oddly, the only people I care about living are Andy and Holly and Jason and some human lover.  I want Jason to have his family.  He's not terrible, and I think he's looking for love like Sookie.

 

I don't understand Sookie and Bill's great love because they never sold it to me.  Sookie seems tired of everything, and it would be nice if she didn't choose anyone that we know, unless she becomes a vampire - then her and Bill would make sense.

 

I don't hate this show, it's silly and a good summer tv watching.  It could have been better though. 

[fliptopbox]

I just found the whole Sylvie thing ridiculous. Out of a thousand years it took Eric til the 1980's to find "the love of his life"? And he didn't turn her immediately? Please. He could have had anyone he wanted, and I am sure he did. Many times over. I don't see what is supposed to be so wonderful about Sylvie, she didn't even seem all that smart or engaging. Another pointless flashback.

 

And I dunno if anyone else feels this way, but it feels like this season so far has been kind of a huge fuck-fest for everyone. Not that I am against sex in any way, but they're just really trying to shoehorn in the sex scenes anywhere and everywhere. It's getting kind of annoying. I like sex scenes if they add to the story....but gratuitous nudity just cos the writers think everyone only wants to see Eric and Jason shirtless is dumb. If I just wanna see good looking naked people fucking I'll go watch some porn.

Edited July 7, 2014 by fliptopbox

[CofCinci]

"Sylvie wants to finish University."

That's the line where TB became dead to me.

[GenieinTX]

Just so I'm clear, the people in this episode who were after Sarah are there because she killed that woman in the vamp camp, right? So Sarah has two groups looking for her, the vampires and the people from the corporation.

 

I assumed that they were after Sarah because she's, at least partially, responsible for Hep V getting spread to the world. That's enough for the Authority to come after her.

[Mrs OldManBalls]

And I did like Sookie having enough sense to not let Jessica turn him, saying she'd been down that road before (Tara). A rare moment of sanity for her.

 

It was kind of Jessica to offer ( I chuckled at the thought of Jessica being his "mom"), and Sookie turning down the offer was a (shockingly) great decision. Alcide would have been so pissed if they'd turned him. So pissed. Worse than Tara was. 

 

If everyone is expendable? Kill Sookie. Her selfishness, and impulsiveness is at the root of many of the issues in Bon Temps. 

 

I can't wait to see what Eric has in store for Sarah. That and hoping Sam's baby ends up safe is all I'm hoping for in the end. 

[hertolo]

So, did Eric have more sex scenes than other ones this season? At least the percentage should be quite high...

 

This show is camp, you guys still take it way too seriously. It's the last season so they're killing off people left and right, but I really don't emphatise with any of the characters on this show any more. It's just too detached from the "real world" by now and I just can't see how that should work. So it doesn't and I enjoy the camp... :)

 

I fast-forwarded the Bill-Sookie stuff, philosophical talks on the meaning of life and true love just sound ridiculous in a show like this. I wasn't bothered by Sylvie, but I had to smile at how many times her name is mentioned in here (and at the same time mentioning Tara just for outrage points :)). I guess the big bad of the season will be those Japanese Mafia guys? I can't see their end goal right now apart from killing off everybody... I guess the end point could be us seeing the afterlife when Eric gets there. But again, more interested in the camp and fun than the mythical system.

[catrox14]

Sure, this show is camp but it used to be good and entertaining camp. I want to know what happens to Jason and Lafayette. That is the only reason I'm still watching it.

[Athena]

The show is terrible, and it use to be less depressing. Alcide had to die so Bill and Sukeh could be together. I felt bad for him, but it's good that he's off the show.

 

As for the whole Pam/Eric plotline: they are now ruining the two characters I care about. WTF is Sylvie. Lord, so bad.

 

The board comments are quite funny though.

[roctavia]

I still find it entertaining :P   But that's what makes everyone different, right? If we all had the same opinion this board would be even more boring than some of you thought this episode was.

 

Thinking more about this Eric thing... I don't know if I'd go as far to say that Sylvie was the love of his life... but she was someone he cared about and someone who's death he was responsible for. I honestly think Nora was a more important love for him. His 'lost the will to live' thing is IMO more related to Nora's death and Godric's... Sylvie is just one more piece of that. And since Nora had no place to call home with the authority blowed up, and who knows where Godric came from- returning to France, to a winery that still exists and has the same set pieces as the flashback is more convenient.  In S1 Eric is all "I do not love humans" so this might feed into why he felt that way. He let himself love a human, or at least like her enough to want to keep having sex/ feeding on her. As he tells Pam, he went about life with his usual "Devil may care" attitude... this looked like that to me. He didn't care about the authority or what their plans were, he wanted to do what he wanted to do... Eric has always acted that way- even back when he was human.

 

I was surprised they set it so recently, since he's been around for a thousand years... but I guess that was the only way they could tie in the japanese guys, and gives us another visit with Nan...

[Primetimer]

True Blood loses, like, piles of characters.

Read the story

[Dirtybubble]

R.I.P Alcide.  I wish I cared more about this show to give you a proper cry for your death but all I could muster was enh.  You date an imbecile like Sookie this is whats gonna happen.

 

Poor Maxine, I was actually more bummed by her death than anything else. 

 

Eric + french chick = zzzzzzzzzz

[Blakeston]

So now we know how the show will justify putting Bill and Sookie together in the end, even though they're terrible for each other, and Bill has proven himself to be a complete piece of shit - he has new blood now! Blech.

 

It was kind of Jessica to offer ( I chuckled at the thought of Jessica being his "mom"), and Sookie turning down the offer was a (shockingly) great decision. Alcide would have been so pissed if they'd turned him. So pissed. Worse than Tara was. 

 

Whether Alcide would have been happy didn't seem to be a concern for Sookie, though. All that mattered was whether it would work out well for her.

[DollEyes]

 Interesting episode, in a mostly bad kind of way. Leave it to Sookie to find a new way to piss me off, this time at Alcide's expense. Everytime this season Sookie has wandered off alone at night it's lead to trouble, especially this week. Sookie said that she didn't want anymore innocents dying because of her, but it happened anyway, this time to Alcide. One of Sookie's cockamamie schemes backfired. Big shock. Alcide may not have been what some considered "exciting," but one person's "boring" is another's maturity. Alcide wasn't responsible for bringing the werewolves to the show; Russell was, nor did he bring the werepanthers; that's on Jason. He was the one who went chasing after Crystal because he thought he was in love with her and he tried to help the people in Hotshot the best he could. What followed gave proof to the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished." Alcide has not only saved Sookie's life more than once, towards the end he even saved Bill from one of the H-vamps who attacked him and Sookie. So Sookie feels guilty about not loving Alcide as much as he loved her? She should, IMO. Sookie had lead Alcide on for months, knowing full well that her feelings weren't as strong as his. Sookie wanted a way out, which she got, to say the least. Congrats, Sookie. Once again, you did something dumb and dangerous and an innocent got hurt. Your not having Alcide turned like you did to Tara was the only smart thing you did the whole episode, if not ever. That you didn't appreciate Alcide says much worse about you than him, as far as I'm concerned. RIP, Alcide. You were not only much better than Sookie, you deserved much better.  

 

  Re Bill, letting those vamps feed on him in Vamp Camp may have drained him of the fae blood that he stole from Benlow, but it doesn't absolve him of his past sins, nor should it. As for Bill's misty, water-colored memories of his human past, they were sweet but pointless, Hoyt's ancestor aside.  Speaking of sweet and pointless, that leads me to Sylvie, Eric's French, human girlfriend. Her death was Eric's fault. If Eric hadn't dissed the Authority and the Yokosama (sp?) Corporation or hooked up with Sylvie in the first place-who probably only did it to piss off her father-she might still be alive. IMO, Eric didn't love Sylvie; he just loved fucking her.

 

  Re Maxine, while I'm glad she's dead, I hate that it was Violet who killed her. Maxine was an ignorant, overbearing and hateful shrew, but she didn't deserve to be killed by someone who's worse. Rot in Hell, Maxine.

 

  Re Sam, it was smart of him to change to escape the angry mob who were trying to kill him, but it would have been smarter and funnier if he had turned into a fly. That way, he would have been almost impossible to see in the dark.

 

  About Sarah, between Eric and Pam's coming after her for spreading HepV and the Yakuza assassins coming after her for Ms. Suzuki's death, I'd say her days are numbered and it's about time. Same with Rev. Daniels reversing Willa's invitation to the house, for LM's sake.

 

   James and Lafayette were the best part of the episode for me. The two of them getting high was sexier to me than both of Eric's sex scenes with Sylvie combined.

Edited July 13, 2014 by DollEyes

[hardy har]

Seriously, who are these people?!?! I swear, it feels like TPTB hired a crop of new writers, got drunk and scribbled bullet points about plots and characters, and then told said new writers the only rule they must follow is to NEVER watch any previous episodes. Fuck.

 

The fuck is Sylvie? We've been watching Eric for 7 years and yet we've never heard of this human woman he was madly in love with in the eighties. (Also, that Viking bastard's hair should've been long, but whatever) So, show, if you're going to retcon/shoehorn this girl into his backstory, you better damn well make be believe, at least a little, that Sylvie was awesome. Or at the very least, I need to understand why Eric might be crazy about her, but noooooo. Show? All I know about Sylvie was she was a French Uni student who liked to fuck in a vineyard.

 

I always liked Alcide. I liked him less as the seasons went on because I never understood why he was crazy about Sookie, but what do you want from a guy who was with Debbie Pelt. Anyway, I liked him because he was a decent person, but I wasn't even phased by his death. I would love any of the remaining rescue crew to chew Sookie and Bill the fuck out about their plan because if it weren't for Alcide, Sam, Jason, Andy, Jess and Fucking Violet those 2 dumbshits would be dead.

 

I can't even describe the level of eyerolling that went on in my skull when Sookie asked if Bill was still the "same vampire who did all that horrible stuff to her" Just, fuck you show. Fuuuuuuck you. Those two idiot-assholes deserve each other.

 

I'm conflicted about Lala and James. As a separate thing I actually think they have pretty great chemistry, but their whole plot feels like it belongs on a different show because they aren't acting like morons. I still think they fucked up with whatever they were going for with Jess and James, When he mentioned Jess to Lafayette I went "Oh, right." because I literally forgot they were a couple. Side note: If this episode was an hour of Lala dancing by himself it would've been a winner for me . True story.

 

Sarah Newin! I love that crazy bitch. Anna Camp brings the perfect level of camp to this show and while I'm not crazy about another goddamn plot being added, I'm willing to go with it because Sarah Newlin = Win in my book.  Also, AC looks great with the darker hair.

 

Of course Asian Bad Guys have swords on this show. Of course. Ugh.

 

I zoned out during the fangtasia scene. Can someone tell me why they took Holly outside? Oh, and has Sam's dumb pregnant girlfriend even had a line this season? Not that I want her to talk, but still.

 

I actually really really like the relationship with Willa and the Reverend. Too bad it's surrounded by a bunch of bullshit.

 

So I guess it's pretty much a given now that Lettie Mae killed Tara?

No other reason for a day-one character's death to happen offscreen than because there's going to be a reveal about it later.

 

That has to be what's going on. I can't think of another reason why Lettie Mae would suddenly be getting so much screen time

 

These townsfolk are beyond stupid. Their genius plan is go out at night with guns to attack everything supernatural. All this time I've been judging Sookie for being a moron; I realize she's no dumber than her very dumb neighbors. Sookie's plan was actually good had she managed to communicate it.

 

What's even dumber is they're not even out searching for supes to kill. They seem to be hiding on the side of one fucking road and then just waiting for a car to approach so they can jump in front of it like a bunch dumbfucks. I yelled "NO!!! Just run them over!" when Jason, Andy, Jess, and Violet stopped an got out of the car. Speaking of Violet......she was awesome for that 1 second it took her to kill Maxine. Other than that, she's still a waste of space.

 

 

My eyes rolled right out of my head and down the hallway during the Sookie/Bill dialogue. Just get them together already, show, so we can stop wasting time on them! Everyone knows it's coming, so get it over with! Also, I am 100% done with Stephen Moyer's half-assed Elvis impression.

 

This show is full of insane accents, but I've never been able to explain to people why I hate SM's so much and "half-assed Elvis" does the trick. Thanks!
 

Edited July 7, 2014 by hardy har

[marceline]

I would be perfectly happy if this show turned into nothing but Lafayette getting high and dancing around his house. He is the only character I will miss when this hot mess is over.

 

Oh look Sylvie is another naked, darkhaired, waif just like Willa and Violet and Adalind. When it comes to skinny, nekkid brunettes, it's like this show is trying to become Orphan Black.

[kirshpgh]

So basically, the last season will center on characters I don’t care about (Lettie Mae, Violet, replacement!James, TruBlood Yakuza, random hangry vampires, and Angry BonTemps Mob), having flashbacks to events that have no effect on current plot, and killing off characters that were mildly interesting. The only continuity seems to be Sookie’s foolishness/ selfishness, such as:

 

Whether Alcide would have been happy didn't seem to be a concern for Sookie, though. All that mattered was whether it would work out well for her.

 

 

Also, a were-vampire would have been an interesting plotline, and there's nothing interesting this year.

Don’t know if I will be able to make it through. It’s all stupidity, and stupid violence, and no fun.

Side note: Bill's transition to paper mâché Moe Howard doll is now complete.

[Turkish]

 

Of course Asian Bad Guys have swords on this show. Of course. Ugh.

I know right. The only thing that would have made them slightly more ridiculous is if they were all dressed as the Foot clan from TMNT and parkoured into their scenes. 

Edited July 7, 2014 by Turkish

[missmarple]

The better half of the world’s most boring couple dies-snore. 

 

A new unexplained twist w/ (Japanese businessman assassins) tm. Someone else- I had to use that - “businessmen assassins,”   so  awesome. ) 

 

    and Eric makes a Sophie’s Choice complete w/ mom jeans and Sean Cassidy hair-super.  So for 7 episodes only 7 –I will be unhappily watching ,waiting for an explanation of why Eric is beholden to a Japanese conglomerate  version of Dr. No .   Some of the lines-  Yes,  Eric actually said something like, “ For a thousand years the world was my oyster, “ now he’s bored of oysters. At this point  Eric’s basically starring in an old America Express commercial. I really expected after the oyster speech-  a voice would say, ”Don’t leave home without it.”  Then I watched Bill hanging out in a tree (complete with boring flash back) and Sookie whining and talking about Six Flags. This is why when I realized it was well after 9 o’clock and hadn’t turned on the tv to watch Trueblood -I didn’t care.  There’s been an awful lot time spent on characters never seen or heard of before –last minute back stories& plot twists that should been mentioned seasons ago.

[Blakeston]

"Sylvie wants to finish University."

That's the line where TB became dead to me.

And is it just me, or did Sylvie look far too old to be talking about being afraid of her father finding out she's having sex?

[Avaleigh]

I assumed that they were after Sarah because she's, at least partially, responsible for Hep V getting spread to the world. That's enough for the Authority to come after her.

I guess I need to watch the episode again because I thought that the lead guy who came to the guru's house was supposed to be from the Yakuza (sp?) corporation. I'm sure they're pissed about the Hep V as well but I definitely think Sarah is going to have to pay for killing that woman so viciously. She can't even claim self defense, it was just all in all one of the worst human on human murders the show has ever shown us IMO so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this isn't just about what Sarah has done to vampires but what she's done to humans as well.

DollEyes I agreewith your entire post.

I'm glad other people wondered why Sam shifted into an owl rather than a fly.

I loved Jason not feeling ashamed for being a "modern" man. Fuck off already, Violet.

Re Eric being over a 1,000 years old and of course he would have experienced other loves---that's fair enough but why, if this girl's death was so recent for him did he or Pam not at least mention her name at some point? I also agree that plausible or not I rolled my eyes that it took until the 1980s for Eric to find true love in the form of a French art history student. Seriously, could they come up with anything less interesting? I swear they didn't make it someone from longer ago because it would have cost more money to create the complete look of a period that is set back further.

So much word about his love for Nora being more believable and she came out of nowhere as well but the Godric connection worked for me.

I wonder if this is the last we'll be hearing of Sylvie? What's the point in us learning about this past relationship of Eric's? Is it simply to give him and Pam more depth? I was already convinced of their love and loyalty to each other.

[JusLaugh]

I really enjoyed this episode, much more than the previous two, and I liked those, as well.

 

Me, too. I have watched this show since it came out and am still enjoying it. I don't ever worry about where the story is going because they always go some whacky unbelievable direction I never expected. It's part in the charm IMHO.

 

My favorite part of this episode was where Sam and Alcide met in the woods after they had both shifted, had an awkward naked discussion about what they were doing there, then shifted and took of together. Ha ha ha. I am going to miss shirtless Alcide. *sigh*

 

I also liked how Pam was once again able to find just the right angle (Sara Newland) to push Eric forward. I just love Pam!

 

Like many viewers, I was disappointed the way the show handled the whole Tara death and believe her mother probably killed her. I just don't think we are totally done with that storyline yet, even if she did meet the true death. Can't wait to see what they do with it.

[perseophonedreams]

The more I think about it...

 

How could Eric not know that thumbing his nose at the Authority wouldn't bring about serious repercussions?  Vampires are ruthless, and they don't care about humans.  He should have taken Sylvie and left.  In fact, his willingness to not take Sylvie and run could be evidence that he never really cared about her.

 

As for Sookie and Bill, I wonder why Bill even likes Sookie in the first place, shouldn't that flame be extinguished by now? Not to mention a human/vampire couple could probably not succeed due to the huge power imbalance.  Even if Sookie can't be glamoured, she could be physically overpowered.   

 

I miss Warlow (stupid name).

[marcee]

This episode was SO! BORING! Literally nothing happened until the very end - there was no plot movement, zero change - nothing! And the one thing that did happen was shitty. So disappointing.

[valandsend]

Where did Sam go in the final scene? We saw a dog attack the HV vampires along with Alcide in werewolf form, but later when the others were standing around Alcide's body (and Andy was walking back) there was no Sam. Maybe he was off trying to cover himself?

[shockermolar]

Eh, I didn't get a "love of my life" vibe from Eric about Sylvie. She was just some little doll that he could play with and feed off of. Sylvie is just a plot device to introduce the Japanese angle, and give Eric some screw you screen time with Nan. Everything about his interactions with Sylvie was so off hand - killing her dad, wanting her to finish her degree, making out with her in front of Nan. None of that screamed "love of my life" to me. He was shocked at the whole Sophies Choice thing, but I think that's because he suddenly recognized that his pettiness was actually causing someone's death, and that someone could just as easily have been Pam.

Other thought - did they retcom the Fortneberry storyline too? I swear, I thought that Jessica glamored Hoyt into forgetting their entire relationship before he left. She did that but left Maxine remembering it all? Doesn't make sense to me.

[roctavia]

So now we know how the show will justify putting Bill and Sookie together in the end, even though they're terrible for each other, and Bill has proven himself to be a complete piece of shit - he has new blood now! Blech.

 

 

Whether Alcide would have been happy didn't seem to be a concern for Sookie, though. All that mattered was whether it would work out well for her.

 

Bill said that he had new blood/ that he was different now was to explain to Sookie why he couldn't feel her anymore. He even tells her that it can't absolve him of his sins in general or the horrible things he's done to her, he doesn't even imply that.  I was just glad to have TB attempt to actually explain something vampire related instead of just glossing over it.

 

I guess I saw Sookie's confession that she didn't love Alcide as much as he loved her to be all about Alcide- she felt bad because she wasn't giving back to Alcide all of the love he deserved and it was killing her inside.

Eh, I didn't get a "love of my life" vibe from Eric about Sylvie. She was just some little doll that he could play with and feed off of. Sylvie is just a plot device to introduce the Japanese angle, and give Eric some screw you screen time with Nan. Everything about his interactions with Sylvie was so off hand - killing her dad, wanting her to finish her degree, making out with her in front of Nan. None of that screamed "love of my life" to me. He was shocked at the whole Sophies Choice thing, but I think that's because he suddenly recognized that his pettiness was actually causing someone's death, and that someone could just as easily have been Pam.

Other thought - did they retcom the Fortneberry storyline too? I swear, I thought that Jessica glamored Hoyt into forgetting their entire relationship before he left. She did that but left Maxine remembering it all? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

Hoyt asked for himself to be glamoured, that's it... So no, mama fortenberry didn't get glamoured... Maybe his glamouring occured just before he left, so she didn't know that he'd forgotten all about Jessica?  Or she doesn't bring it up with him anyway, since she hates Jessica and would rather pretend it didn't happen.

[Blakeston]

Eh, I didn't get a "love of my life" vibe from Eric about Sylvie. She was just some little doll that he could play with and feed off of. Sylvie is just a plot device to introduce the Japanese angle, and give Eric some screw you screen time with Nan. Everything about his interactions with Sylvie was so off hand - killing her dad, wanting her to finish her degree, making out with her in front of Nan. None of that screamed "love of my life" to me. He was shocked at the whole Sophies Choice thing, but I think that's because he suddenly recognized that his pettiness was actually causing someone's death, and that someone could just as easily have been Pam.

Other thought - did they retcom the Fortneberry storyline too? I swear, I thought that Jessica glamored Hoyt into forgetting their entire relationship before he left. She did that but left Maxine remembering it all? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

We certainly weren't given a good reason for Eric to be head-over-heels in love with Sylvie, other than that she was pretty and had a French accent...but I think we're supposed to believe that he was, in fact, in love with her. He listed her death alongside Godric's and Nora's as a reason why he didn't want to live anymore.

 

As for Jessica, she definitely glamoured Hoyt into forgetting about her. But there was no indication that she glamoured Maxine, Jason, or anyone else who would be able to remind him about it. Maybe she just figured that Maxine would prefer for her son to not remember Jessica at all?

 

Bill said that he had new blood/ that he was different now was to explain to Sookie why he couldn't feel her anymore. He even tells her that it can't absolve him of his sins in general or the horrible things he's done to her, he doesn't even imply that.  I was just glad to have TB attempt to actually explain something vampire related instead of just glossing over it.

 

 

I'm just saying, I suspect that later on, "Bill's a new man!" will be the reason given why Sookie would enter into a relationship with him once again.

 

There had to be some reason for them to tell us that Bill isn't the Bill he was prior to his draining.

[lovetowrite73]

 

And he didn't turn her immediately? Please.

 

Eric was put in chains after they killed Sylvie.  He didn't have the opportunity to turn her.

[sjohnson]

I've forgotten what Bill did to Sookie? Something about he was sent to Bon Temps, presumably because he had to home town cover, to check out fairy blood?

[roctavia]

I've forgotten what Bill did to Sookie? Something about he was sent to Bon Temps, presumably because he had to home town cover, to check out fairy blood?

 

He was sent to Bon Temps on  mission from the Queen, though the exact details- kidnap her, find out if she's special, something else? have never been clear. He also let her get beaten by the rattrays and used that as an opportunity to feed her his blood. He didn't tell her those things after he fell in love with her. Though he was working for the AVL at the time undercover, too...

 

He accidently drank too much of her in the back of Alcide's van after he was all tortured by lorena and near death... Though I think Sookie forgave him for all that stuff at the end of S4... but then he drank the Lillith blood and was a dick when he was Billith. So basically some major trust issues and the fact that he's a vampire and has killed a bunch of people....  Others will foist blame on Bill for a bunch of other stuff too, but that's what directly affected Sookie.

 

But all of the vampires have killed a bunch of people, so I guess it depends on your personal ability to suspend belief and allow for vampires killing people as long as they do other stuff that's not so bad.

 

My personal opinion is that Bill hasn't done anything so bad that he can't be redeemed (again, assuming some allowances are made for the murders committed for fun in the past, like you would have to do for pretty much any vampire) I've never seen that Bill purposefully wants to be a bad guy or evil, just that he's made some bad decisions and been in some difficult situations without good options. But I think everyone on the show has been written to do some stupid shit.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Jjrmt

[Athena]

Bill's job was procurement for Queen Sophie-Ann (under AVL undercover). Hadley was the Queen's and presumably told the Queen that her cousin Sookie was also special or even more so. All the vamps love their fairy blood so I'm pretty sure Bill was suppose to go back home and lure Sookie back to Queen Sophie-Ann.

[angelita100]

Yeah even Alcide did some crazy stuff when he was drunk with power as pack leader.  Although I try to forget all things werewolf.  Worst part of the show IMO.

 

I like Bill. I just think he and Sookie suck as a couple.  But I don't care if they put them together because I mainly watch the show for other people. I stopped caring about Sookie awhile ago. I think the worst things he did had nothing to do with Sookie but as far as I'm concerned he put a lot of things into motion that put vampires and humans at risk.  Did they ever explain why Eric could resist the Lillith blood but not Bill? 

 

I totally agree that Nora also appeared out of the blue but she brought it from the first scene.  But I didn't get the impression that Sylvie was the love of his life - I think what happened to her probably shaped him a lot and left a deep impact on him.  I think far more intersting was filling in the background on Eric and the Authority.

 

It would be nice to see a scene between Jessica and James.  They did exposition on their life rather than show.  But I like him and Lala so..oh well.  They will probably put Jess back with Jason although I prefer Violet (with Jason/not as a character). She hs issues but hey who doesn't on this show.

Edited July 7, 2014 by angelita100

[roctavia]

Yeah even Alcide did some crazy stuff when he was drunk with power as pack leader.  Although I try to forget all things werewolf.  Worst part of the show IMO.

 

I like Bill. I just think he and Sookie suck as a couple.  But I don't care if they put them together because I mainly watch the show for other people. I stopped caring about Sookie awhile ago. I think the worst things he did had nothing to do with Sookie but as far as I'm concerned he put a lot of things into motion that put vampires and humans at risk.  Did they ever explain why Eric could resist the Lillith blood but not Bill? 

 

I totally agree that Nora also appeared out of the blue but she brought it from the first scene.  But I didn't get the impression that Sylvie was the love of his life - I think what happened to her probably shaped him a lot and left a deep impact on him.  I think far more intersting was filling in the background on Eric and the Authority.

 

It would be nice to see a scene between Jessica and James.  They did exposition on their life rather than show.  But I like him and Lala so..oh well.  They will probably put Jess back with Jason although I prefer Violet (with Jason/not as a character). She hs issues but hey who doesn't on this show.

 

I could do without Jess/jason being revisited... but have no desire to see more Violet. She's helpful when it comes to the infected, but as relationship material I don't like her, especially not for jason. I'd rather see him with a human. Jessica has enough going on that she could spend some time without a boyfriend, IMO... she's dealing with the guilt stuff.

 

Nora definitely seemed more important to Eric than Sylvie, but I assume the point of her dying because of him was to show us why Eric has so little regard for humans when we first meet him, since caring about a human burned him before...

 

Nora was way under the influence of the Lilith blood, but I think she'd tasted it a bunch of times with Salome. It was never really explained why Bill was so affected, but I'd always assumed in part it had to do with him being much younger of a vampire, and also that he didn't have someone like Godric to come along and steer him in a new direction. Godric was what finally broke Nora of her thrall with Lilith... the authority in general, once Roman was dead, equaled big trouble for humans & vampires... 

 

Are these corporation guys still working for the authority? which would lead to the question of "what authority?" since last we saw the buildig was blown up, are there other authorities somewhere, or are the vamps just running wild now without rules? Or are the corporation guys now just working for Yokonoma and seeking revenge for Sarah killing that one chick and tainting the blood?

[larapu2000]

I guess I saw Sookie's confession that she didn't love Alcide as much as he loved her to be all about Alcide- she felt bad because she wasn't giving back to Alcide all of the love he deserved and it was killing her inside.

 

I saw it as foreshadowing why Sookie should be with vampires because she can't hear their thoughts and therefore can't bear witness to who loves who more.  But it's also gross because Sookie was using her thought hearing powers on her boyfriend.

 

I've never understood why people get so worked up about getting turned into a vampire.  Like Tara.  All she had to do was wake up, tell Sookie, "thanks, but no thanks" and someone can stake her and it's over.  At least turning someone into a vampire gives them the choice to keep on keepin' on, versus, "Alcide never made a living will, so I will make this decision for him."

[Rammfan]

Just so I'm clear, the people in this episode who were after Sarah are there because she killed that woman in the vamp camp, right? So Sarah has two groups looking for her, the vampires and the people from the corporation.

Considering how many people are looking for her, why she wouldn't want to be lower profile is beyond me but then I guess she wouldn't be Sarah Newlin.

 

 

Yes, I'm assuming the corporate Yakuza are after Sarah Newlin for killing their executive last season, and they also killed Eric's girlfriend in the 80's. Eric wants to kill Sarah for the Vamp Camp and the death of Nora and he wants to kill the Yakuza for killing Sylvie. So, will Eric team up with the Yakuza to get Sarah, or will he team up with Sarah to get the Yakuza....or will he just go on a rampage and kill the lot of them? I'm voting for the last option.

 

If he's well enough to do so, that is :(

 

How is sleeping with and taking yoga classes with a guru high profile?

[GaT]

I hated the Sylvie stuff. Of course he's met thousands of people during the last 1.000 years, but if she was soooo important for him, why is this the first time they talk about her? I mean, I know these things happen, TV shows do that all the time, but this is the last season and Sylvie's story feels super random. 

 

 

This has to do with the book, so I'm going to spoil tag it 

Sylvie wasn't in the books, but in the very last book we find out Eric has another progeny that they never bothered to mention during the entire series. That was really annoying too.

 

The show is terrible, and it use to be less depressing. Alcide had to die so Bill and Sukeh could be together. I felt bad for him, but it's good that he's off the show.

 

As for the whole Pam/Eric plotline: they are now ruining the two characters I care about. WTF is Sylvie. Lord, so bad.

 

The board comments are quite funny though.

Also from the book so I'll spoiler tag it 

In the books, Sookie ends up with Sam, not Bill. I'm afraid they're going to suddenly spring this on us just like the books.

[hardy har]

I totally agree that Nora also appeared out of the blue but she brought it from the first scene.  But I didn't get the impression that Sylvie was the love of his life - I think what happened to her probably shaped him a lot and left a deep impact on him.  I think far more intersting was filling in the background on Eric and the Authority.

 

Jesus, you know what I just realized? If they wanted to do something along the lines of Eric being so despondent and wanting to meet the true death they should've just made Nora the love of his life. They had known each other for a long ass time, had chemistry, had an established sexual relationship, and were both all messed up about Godric. Seriously. They could've still gone with Eric's reunion with Authority dwelling Nora, to Nora getting all caught up in the Lilith bullshit. Tie that with Eric trying to save her from that bag of crazy along with Billith. Then, last season instead of having her do all of her totally rational sleuthing about Warlow off fucking camera have her and Eric work together on camera and, y'know, build on that relationship for the audience. Then, Eric's hubris gets in the way like always and Nora gets caught and pays the price for his rash behavior, She's thrown into vamp camp, infected with Hep V and dies. Now, that? That I would understand being the last straw for him, but Sylvie? Who the fuck is Sylvie?

Edited July 7, 2014 by hardy har

[Avaleigh]

My impression was that the guru is successful and would gain attention in terms of attracting followers like her and/or some level of media attention. I felt like it seemed typical Sarah Newlin--being the lady in the life of a high profile man. Steve, the governor, and now the guru.

At any rate, it certainly didn't take the Yakuza corporation very long to catch up with her and I feel like this might not have been the case if she'd been working in a boutique or something like that.

[Blakeston]

Bill's job was procurement for Queen Sophie-Ann (under AVL undercover). Hadley was the Queen's and presumably told the Queen that her cousin Sookie was also special or even more so. All the vamps love their fairy blood so I'm pretty sure Bill was suppose to go back home and lure Sookie back to Queen Sophie-Ann.

 

I don't think his job was just to lure her. Bill visited Sophie-Ann toward the end of season 2 and seemed to be on reasonably good terms with her - even though Sophie-Ann knew that Bill had located Sookie. I'm pretty sure she knew that Bill was romantically involved with her.

 

My interpretation (or, at least, my fanwank) was that Sophie-Ann told Bill, "Find this girl, get her to trust you, and find some way to figure out if she's a fairy or not. If she is, then bring her to me."

 

And Bill found her, and knew she was otherworldly - and decided he loved her, and he'd protect her at all costs. So he either told Sophie-Ann:

 

a) I checked it out, and she's not a fairy. She's perfectly normal. But I've nonetheless decided that I want her for my own - please don't question that.

 

or

 

b) I found her, but I just can't tell if she's a fairy or not. Give me more time.

[sjohnson]

Jjrmt thanks for the answer. 

[Athena]

@GaT : My own assertion about Bill/Sookie on this show does relate to the books which I have read. It does seem to me that the writers on this show have always angled for Bill/Sookie. Alan Ball loved their relationship, and I thought with him gone the show would be less into it. I don't really care about Bill or Sookie anymore, but it's not a great relationship.

 

I'll reply about how they dealt with the book OTP in the book thread.

 

I don't think his job was just to lure her. Bill visited Sophie-Ann toward the end of season 2 and seemed to be on reasonably good terms with her - even though Sophie-Ann knew that Bill had located Sookie. I'm pretty sure she knew that Bill was romantically involved with her.

 

My interpretation (or, at least, my fanwank) was that Sophie-Ann told Bill, "Find this girl, get her to trust you, and find some way to figure out if she's a fairy or not. If she is, then bring her to me."

 

And Bill found her, and knew she was otherworldly - and decided he loved her, and he'd protect her at all costs. So he either told Sophie-Ann:

 

a) I checked it out, and she's not a fairy. She's perfectly normal. But I've nonetheless decided that I want her for my own - please don't question that.

 

or

 

b) I found her, but I just can't tell if she's a fairy or not. Give me more time.

 

My own fanwank is the same as yours. I was generalizing with my luring, but Bill's job was to scout out food/talent. He seems to be particularly talented at glamouring and having humans trust him which is why the AVL poached him. I think Sophie Ann wanted Sookie to come almost willingly and join Hadley. Either way, Bill met Sookie under false pretenses. I do think that Bill loves Sookie and would do anything for her, but that doesn't mean I have to like his character or their pairing.

[CletusMusashi]

When the show is good, I can do without any Sarah Newlin. But right now, yeah, I'll take her over flashbacks to the time Bill had family pictures taken 150 years ago. Or those idiot Yakuza guys. Wouldn't it be hilarious if they all got blown away next week by Sarah Newlin, for taking swords to a gun fight?

I don't even get if they're supposed to be vampires or not. If they aren't, then their acting as Nan's muscle against Eric and Pam was just ridiculous. But if they are, then why didn't they just glamour the Yogi guy into telling them what they wanted to know?

[roctavia]

Jesus, you know what I just realized? If they wanted to do something along the lines of Eric being so despondent and wanting to meet the true death they should've just made Nora the love of his life. They had known each other for a long ass time, had chemistry, had an established sexual relationship, and were both all messed up about Godric. Seriously. They could've still gone with Eric's reunion with Authority dwelling Nora, to Nora getting all caught up in the Lilith bullshit. Tie that with Eric trying to save her from that bag of crazy along with Billith. Then, last season instead of having her do all of her totally rational sleuthing about Warlow off fucking camera have her and Eric work together on camera and, y'know, build on that relationship for the audience. Then, Eric's hubris gets in the way like always and Nora gets caught and pays the price for his rash behavior, She's thrown into vamp camp, infected with Hep V and dies. Now, that? That I would understand being the last straw for him, but Sylvie? Who the fuck is Sylvie?

 

 

Maybe I'm fanwanking it, but I'm essentially going with this ^^ because Nora was most certainly more important to Eric than anything since Godric. So he's super distraught over Nora... then he has his own firey near death experience- which I suppose could have some affect on him as well...   But he doesn't care about life so much any more.  He's been bopping all over the globe for the last 6 months, finally settling in a place that held some meaning for him... since where he met Nora is probably long gone.

 

I'm going with Nora still being the last straw, but Sylvie was an additional straw... the writers are just showing it to us backwards...

[Avaleigh]

Hardy har, I'm just going to pretend that you're doing the writing for Eric's character because what you've proposed makes a hell of a lot more sense than this bullshit they've thrown at us in the form of Sylvie and her thwarted art history ambitions.

It's hard to believe that multiple people on the writing staff apparently thought that this would come across as must see tv.

I was so sad for Eric when he lost Godric, and I had a very similar reaction to Nora's death. With Sylvie, I felt nothing during that Sophie's choice moment and I can't imagine that's what the writers would have been hoping for from viewers.

If the choices are Sookie, Sylvie, and Nora, Nora makes the most sense by a mile in terms of Eric just not being able to get over it. Sure they'd taken a break from each other's company but we're talking about a bond that lasted hundreds of years over a relationship that was probably two years tops with little indication that there was any depth to it apart from fucking and feeding. With Nora we saw bonds on multiple levels and from day one I understood that she was a VIP in his life. I mean, just come the hell on, show if you really expect me to believe that it makes any sort of sense to introduce a character like Sylvie when they could have gone in this direction with the already established character of Nora. YMMV ofcourse.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Avaleigh

[henripootel]

I'm going with Nora still being the last straw, but Sylvie was an additional straw... the writers are just showing it to us backwards...

Eric is 1000 years old, 1986 was yesterday to him.  If this was a seminal event (no pun intended) in his life, he could still be sore about it and it's finally getting to him.  Good thing nothing big has happened since then.  Oh wait - Nora, becoming a Sheriff (for the very authority who killed Sylvie), a major shift in lifestyle (mainstreaming), avenging his human father's death, meeting the god of vampires, finding out that there is (or was) a god of vampires, unprecedented social upheaval, Godric ...  

 

But oh yeah, he had a bad haircut and lost a french girlfriend in the 80s.  So did I.  She dumped me (not died), I got over it, and now have trouble remembering exactly what she looked like.  And all I did was find a barber, get married, and not live in france anymore.

Edited July 9, 2014 by henripootel