Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

Willow has been overreacting to Nina.  I won't even try to deny that. But, she does have very real reasons to dislike Nina (and vice versa).  I agree with her that just because they are suddenly related, that doesn't change everything that has gone on before.

No, it doesn't, but Willow seems even more "OMG, NINA IS THE WORST!" than she did before she knew.  To actually claim a woman who gave you to a cult leader to be raped is the better choice?  Fuck off, Willow.  And Nina didn't "try to convince Michael" you were having an affair with TJ--that's an exaggeration of what happened (never mind Michael asking "how could she accuse someone with cancer of seeking comfort from a friend of having an affair?" when Nina had no idea Willow was sick).  Willow sucks.  Big time.

I LOL'd at Esme's "that's a pretty understandable thing to judge" to Victor saying he didn't judge her for the revenge porn (I might've messed up her exact words, but that was the crux of it) as well as Ryan's "go stab someone!" to Heather. 

[SiouxB]

Thanks @YaddaYadda for the edit help🤗

[CeChase]

52 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Dislike, yes. Because MS' Nina accused Willow of being mean to Charlotte and almost got her fired.  Four years ago.

But since then Willow has been the primary mover in the conflict. She completely lost it when Nina told Wylie that she is the mother of his other mother. She knew that Nelle had been taken from Nina when she was unconscious, that Nina had been searching for her child and now with Nelle dead, Wylie was Nina's only living relative and she still wanted Nina to have no contact with Wylie at all.

It's Willow's fault that Nina thought that she and TJ were having an affair, partly because she didn't tell anyone about her cancer but just hugged TJ around corners, and because Nina was so desperate to see Wylie that she projected on to Willow. Had Nina been allowed to visit Wylie and spend time with him, she probably wouldn't have been so quick to condemn Willow with TJ.

More than content, Carly relished and encouraged it. She did the 'Poor me, Nina has stolen my husband and my hotel' and basked in the sympathy. As a mother of 4 plus Avery and grandmother of one, she could have reached out to Michael and Willow to let Nina have time with Wylie. But that's not Carly.

Another reason Nina thought that about Willow and Tj is because Willow is a known cheater and liar. 

[threebluestars]

The French boy was played by Jophielle Love's (Violet's) brother Gabriel.

I did love Sasha's "I'm your fake sister" lol.

[statsgirl]

52 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Wait? Willow knows now? (When did this happen? this week?) And no one is pissed off at Carly for keeping this a secret?

She knows that Nina is her mother because Nina told her, all excited that she has a living child. (Willow shut that down completely and cruelly.)

Nina and Sonny are pissed off at Carly. No one else seems bothered and Drew is back to wagging his tail hoping for a scratch behind the ears.

[Daisy]

56 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

She knows that Nina is her mother because Nina told her, all excited that she has a living child. (Willow shut that down completely and cruelly.)

Nina and Sonny are pissed off at Carly. No one else seems bothered and Drew is back to wagging his tail hoping for a scratch behind the ears.

Thanks.
So Carly told Nina? (I guess Willow is nearly dying now, not somewhat dying)

[statsgirl]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

So Carly told Nina?

Drew clued in that Carly was hindering, not helping, his investigation into Willow's mother. In the conversation, that fact the Willow has leukemia and needs a bone marrow transplant came out and Carly admitted that she had lied and the DNA results showed that Nina really is Willow's birth mother. Then Carly got a phone call that Willow had fainted and they were on the way to the hospital.   Carly finally told Nina and said that she needed to get test, and asked Drew to tell Michael. Drew soft peddled the reveal to Michael.

[Daisy]

42 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Drew clued in that Carly was hindering, not helping, his investigation into Willow's mother. In the conversation, that fact the Willow has leukemia and needs a bone marrow transplant came out and Carly admitted that she had lied and the DNA results showed that Nina really is Willow's birth mother. Then Carly got a phone call that Willow had fainted and they were on the way to the hospital.   Carly finally told Nina and said that she needed to get test, and asked Drew to tell Michael. Drew soft peddled the reveal to Michael.

 

thanks again. then from what i gathered, Willow acted like the dipstick she is, and no one is ripping Carly a new one for withholding this for a year. 

Honestly, Nina. go to France and get fat on bread and cheese. 

[sashabear21]

Poor Nina, finally finds out she has a living child and it turns out that child has all the personality of soggy toast. 

[Kitty Redstone]

Anna is not on enough.  I wish Anna/FH's appearances weren't tied to Valentin/the guy whose initials I can't remember.  I'd like to see more of MEK as well.

CW's Nina is the best thing that's ever happened to the character of Sonny Corinthos.  It's astonishing how much more tolerable (and yes, as someone upthread said, charming!) he is.  And I say this as someone who has hated Sonny since he gave Karen drugs and got her on a stripper pole.

Sasha and Chase are very pretty together.

Add me to the Ryan and Heather appreciation club.

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, Kitty Redstone said:

CW's Nina is the best thing that's ever happened to the character of Sonny Corinthos.  It's astonishing how much more tolerable (and yes, as someone upthread said, charming!) he is.

I cannot disagree more. Sonny is my all time favorite character on GH and I find this relationship with Nina as icky as Sonny & Emily, and as boring as Sonny & Hannah.

Great for the people that like this version of Sonny with Nina.

I have endured a lot of terrible storylines involving Sonny and right now it is a struggle for me because it is not entertaining to me.

[YaddaYadda]

8 hours ago, CeChase said:

They are writing Willow in a manner that is exciting a portion of the audience.  A young woman, eager to die to avoid the miniscule risk of a delivery at 8 months.  BEGGING to die.  Some of the audience is so excited over this, they're drooling.  They picked up on what was going on long before I did, because they are atuned for it. They are drooling.  It's driving a lot of the Nina hate.  Because Willow you see, is a Saint now.  Because she is begging to be allowed to die to save the tiniest little risk of basically nothing, of a early delivery.  Begging to die.  

I watched the episode and gag me a spatula. The whole dialogue was just bad. Willow is such a good person, so good, she has such a good heart, such a big heart. Then Willow talking about not wanting to induce labor was some messed up martyrdom. Willow, a saint and a martyr, so so so very brave! You can't be there for your kids if you die. There comes a time when nothing is enough anymore.

Who the hell wrote this. How much more halo shining does one character need.

And tomorrow, she will forgive Carly and tell her she understands.

Sasha and Chase are better friends to Michael and Willow than those two deserve and it's not reciprocated. Where was were the saints when Sasha's baby died (showed up once), when she had her meltdown on live television, when her husband was murdered instead of Joss.

Heather/Ryan were the best part of the episode. Who knew watching two psychos interact like that would be the highlight of an episode. 

[sunnyface]

5 hours ago, nilyank said:

I cannot disagree more. Sonny is my all time favorite character on GH and I find this relationship with Nina as icky as Sonny & Emily, and as boring as Sonny & Hannah.

The relationship between Sonny/Nina is boring and icky but CW helps make MB more tolerable to watch.  The exception is when the writers give MB more than a couple of lines of dialogue at a time (e.g., yesterday's recitation of his Deke soliloquy). ymmv.

Not surprised that Chase was not brought in to see Willow. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 hours ago, nilyank said:

French boy should have been casted as Rocco. He looks like he could be related to Julie's Lulu and JJ's Lucky.

 

11 hours ago, Blackie said:

 

He definitely looked like a young JJ

This was my thought exactly when I saw Antoine! I was like, hey, he reminds me of 11 year old Jonathan Jackson! So adorbs! I couldn't help but laugh when he imitated Lucy's "Ta!"

Aside from the lines about how original Nina was mean to Willow when Stafford played her, every single line about Nina's toxicity, vileness, etc. was a bang on description of the SheBeast.

Oh, the HORROR! Nina sued for visitation! Willow's acting as if she tried to sue for full custody.

 

[Desperado]

I enjoyed the boy speaking French. He did it very well and made Valentin look like a sad mumbling sack.

I’m echoing everyone saying Anna should be moved away from Valentin. Maybe FH took time off, but I would’ve enjoyed scenes her scenes more if she had been with Lucy. I miss small doses of Lucy.

It was great to see MEK and CS in a good scene though, I like Martin having a spine.

Poor memory-less Esmé, I wouldn’t wish finding out Ryan and Heather on any… well, most people. 😉

[lala2]

I also hated the Sasha/Willow and Michael/Chase scenes. Michael and Chase are NOT friends, so the show just needs to stop pushing that narrative! Michael has no friends! Yesterdays scenes should have been with Dante or Drew, not Chase.

And Willow is an awful “friend” to Sasha! This biased, crap show didn’t bother to film one scene of Willow comforting Sasha through her many traumas last year but Sasha had to be at that witch’s bedside?!?!? Why?!? What’s so freaking special about Willow?!? I cannot stand Willow! 

And are we supposed to have forgotten that Harmony sold Willow into sexual slavery and had her raped and branded?!?!?! This deluded moron thinks that’s less traumatizing than the few verbal arguments she’s had with Nina?!? Really?!? I know the show writes Nina as the devil for wanting a relationship with her grandson but really?!?!?

Willow is an idiot! I’m not looking forward to her giving Carly a pass today either! What a freaking joke! 

Edited January 18, 2023 by lala2

[ffwbe]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

I also hated the Sasha/Willow and Michael/Chase scenes. Michael and Chase are NOT friends, so the show just needs to stop pushing that narrative! Michael has no friends! Yesterdays scenes should have been with Dante or Drew, not Chase.

Both “friendships” are completely one sided. Michael and Willow are selfish and never there for their friends yet they always seem to be there for them. I still remember Willow showing up at Sasha’s memorial and apologizing for not reaching out before that. Like, Sasha’s husband was brutally murdered and she was already on the brink of a breakdown but she couldn’t manage a single phone call or drop by her place? And Chase has zero reason for ever speaking to those 2 ever again considering how they treated him and how unapologetic they were for their trash behavior. 

[VioletMarx]

Congratulations, Michael, your kids are siblings AND cousins!

[statsgirl]

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And tomorrow, she will forgive Carly and tell her she understands.

More, Willow will thank Carly for keeping it a secret and protecting her from that horrible Nina.

3 hours ago, lala2 said:

And Willow is an awful “friend” to Sasha! This biased, crap show didn’t bother to film one scene of Willow comforting Sasha through her many traumas last year but Sasha had to be at that witch’s bedside?!?!?

And Willow yelled at Nina when Nina asked her to help Sasha because she's had such a rough time this year.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm not holding out much hope for this, but it appears from the previews, that the SLS is ripping the SheBeast a new one, when he says it was done "for revenge" and of course we can't see who he's saying it to or how long it will last.

Since Willow isn't AJ, maybe he'll disown her for the rest of the year. Because as I stated and we all know-it won't last.

Edited January 18, 2023 by GHScorpiosRule

[statsgirl]

Nina may not have a problem with TJ being there for the blood test but I do. He has no reason to be there other than to butt into Nina's business.  since he's not Willow's doctor, it's breaking HIPAA.

"Even if it was Nina, the woman who took everything from you?"  Me: Don't you mean that Carly took everything from Nina?  Like her first daughter Nelle, and encouraged Michael to keep Wylie from Nina, and kept the knowledge of Willow being her daughter? It was Sonny's decision to go on the bridge that caused his amnesia, it was Carly's decision to divorce Sonny, and her decision to insider trade, her decision to refuse Nina giving her the hotel.

I am shocked that Willow told Nina Carly that it wasn't her decision to make. But Willow has already forgiven her. It didn't even take a moment. But she still hates Nina. No grace in her heart for the mom who is going to save her life.

"You and Michael are going to have to stop being enemies and you're going to have to earn it"  Did Willow miss the part that Sonny has been doing everything he can and Michael keeps rejecting him?

"I said a prayer for you and the baby."  These people who never go within a mile of church praying and lighting candles as if God is something you can just access when you want.

Poor Nina is so delusional that it will all work out with Willow and Wylie.

Jealousy is not a good look on Anna.

Today I learned that the Paris catacombs were originally 12th century mines.

Edited January 19, 2023 by statsgirl

[ffwbe]

I’ve noticed that ever since Dan took over as one of the HWs, these Carly/Willow/Michael centric storylines get hyper focused on for several weeks while they practically ignore every other SL. Their scenes and people talking about 1 of them take up 90% of every episode. Think back to the baby switch reveal, Wiley’s original custody trial, Nina’s trial, etc. None of these SLs have even been particularly well received and if you’re not a fan of those 3 characters, you might as well take a 2-3 week break because there’s barely anything else featured to enjoy. 

[ffwbe]

Also, they’ve been dragging this out so long that I don’t think Nina is the match 

[Desperado]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Nina may not have a problem with TJ being there for the blood test but I do. He has no reason to be there other than to butt into Nina's business.  since he's not Willow's doctor, it's breaking HIPAA.

Very true, but I actually like that they have a Willow ally witnessing the test so that Michael, etc. can’t claim at some point that Nina chickened out. But now I wonder how his presence there figures in whatever comes next. Or maybe they just needed to give the actor a scene.

Nina is so close to losing her sanity, not being a match will crush her (no spoilers, just anvils). CW is playing desperation very well.

If Michael starts treating Carly like he treats Sonny, I will enjoy him more than I have in a very long time.

Can’t wait for the Willow show to end.

I’m surprised Heather told Esmé to stay away from Ryan, but I liked it. Poor Esmé though, thinking she has a prison stalker. This is definitely her redemption arc.

[Peppermint Patty]

Every time CW pronounced “marrow” like “Murrow” it takes me out of the scene. However, she is doing an excellent job playing an elated, desperate mother who just had her whole life turned upside-down. Perhaps that’s why the crazy Carly stans are going nuts on Twitter. 
 

I really loved Spencer and Ava today. NAC and MW are such good scene partners. I’m also enjoying AKP and AM together in Springridge finally. 
 

Surprisingly, the low point for me today was Vanna. Lucy is in danger, being held prisoner, and they’re sexing it up on the couch. They’re almost as bad as Joss and Dex.

[CeChase]

16 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Also, they’ve been dragging this out so long that I don’t think Nina is the match 

I would wish she wasn't, and that Willow dies, but the facebook frannies are praying Nina isn't a match so someone else like Joss (WTF?) can save Willow's life and laugh in Nina's face.  So because I don't want to see those people gloating, I want Nina to be the match.  But I'd prefer Willow die.  I can't stand her at this point. 

[ffwbe]

7 minutes ago, CeChase said:

I would wish she wasn't, and that Willow dies, but the facebook frannies are praying Nina isn't a match so someone else like Joss (WTF?) can save Willow's life and laugh in Nina's face.  So because I don't want to see those people gloating, I want Nina to be the match.  But I'd prefer Willow die.  I can't stand her at this point. 

 I don’t think it would be Joss. I think it’ll be someone like Wiley so Willow can wring her hands and say she’d rather die than cause the golden child a moment of pain. 

[CeChase]

4 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

 I don’t think it would be Joss. I think it’ll be someone like Wiley so Willow can wring her hands and say she’d rather die than cause the golden child a moment of pain. 

I don't think it will be Joss either, that's their fever dream.  I think Wiley would be too young to donate.  I was thinking maybe Leisl, or maybe someone outside of the family could be a match, like Dante.  But I am hoping it's Nina.

[dubbel zout]

What hotel room door doesn't have a peephole and a safety lock? Or are Anna and Valentin staying in an apartment?

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Jealousy is not a good look on Anna.

It's not a good look on anyone. Ugh.

Once again, in telling Sonny to reconcile with Michael, she's giving advice she herself should take with Nina. 

[Cheetara1986]

So to the good...The show actually showing a character growing and admitting to his past mistakes. Seeing Spencer and Ava actually working together to take down Dickolas was music to my ears. Even though, every Spencer plan ends up in a hilarious mess. Now, Im ready to see some more Cassadine scenes with Spencer/Valentin and with Alexis. The only 3 Cassadines worth anyt salt.

Now to the gigantic elephant in the room...you would think the writers would have a working brain cell and go with the easy story of Carly actually getting lashings she deserves, especially from Weeping Willow. Actually seeing Snarly get consequences for her selfishness. But somehow, they had Willowtonin, just up and forgive her in like a 5 minute span. Not my Drew, had a angrier reaction then the person most effected...

And why is Nina apologizing to everyone that havent even apologize to her. Like, she can annoy me, but Im becoming Team Nina, especially when she has to deal with Milktoast Corinthos, Willow, and Snarly.

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Cheetara1986

[statsgirl]

In a twisted way, Joss as a match makes sense because Willow's twin, Nelle, was a match for Joss' kidney. And if you hate Nina, it's Michael's family saving Willow

But if Nina can't save Willow, she will go down a mental spiral and I don't need to see that again.

44 minutes ago, Desperado said:

I’m surprised Heather told Esmé to stay away from Ryan, but I liked it. Poor Esmé though, thinking she has a prison stalker. This is definitely her redemption arc.

Ryan had taunted Heather that he had a relationship with Esme and she didn't. Heather is not one to accept; she's getting payback.

It will be interesting to see if TJ was at the blood draw for a purpose other than to have poor delusional Nina be excited that she's going to save Willow's life,

 

 

[Desperado]

I’m hoping Anna wasn’t so much jealous as sceptical of the cataphile, who I didn’t think was that great looking. Then again, I can’t see Valentin as a Casanova either.

Can’t believe I forgot about the Spencer/Ava scenes after wanting them to team up forever. Probably because the storyline involves a baby being used as a cudgel. And still not a fan of MW’s new long bleached hair.

[CeChase]

27 minutes ago, Cheetara1986 said:

So to the good...The show actually showing a character growing and admitting to his past mistakes. Seeing Spencer and Ava actually working together to take down Dickolas was music to my ears. Even though, every Spencer plan ends up in a hilarious mess. Now, Im ready to see some more Cassadine scenes with Spencer/Valentin and with Alexis. The only 3 Cassadines worth anyt salt.

Now to the gigantic elephant in the room...you would think the writers would have a working brain cell and go with the easy story of Carly actually getting lashings she deserves, especially from Weeping Willow. Actually seeing Snarly get consequences for her selfishness. But somehow, they had Willowtonin, just up and forgive her in like a 5 minute span. Not my Drew, had a angrier reaction then the person most effected...

And why is Nina apologizing to everyone that havent even apologize to her. Like, she can annoy me, but Im becoming Team Nina, especially when she has to deal with Milktoast Corinthos, Willow, and Snarly.

 

Carly always wins, and Carly does not face consequences.  It's not a surprise I guess.  I saw someone ask LW on Twitter if carly will be okay, and LW responded "always, baby!".  It brought me back to reading a while ago, years ago now, that Burton had it written into his contract that Jason couldn't lose a fistfight.  The story around Carly is so insane, that I suspect something similar is going on here.  Just my opinion. 

[PatsyandEddie]

Will Michael actually be mad at Carly until the end of the week? Who cares? No one is ever mad at Carly for longer than two minutes at a time. Willow’s reaction was too unnatural for me. 
I can completely understand Nina OTT giddiness. She’s found out that she has a living child and is elated about that. 
Vanna is adorable but wth is Lucy?

Ava and Spencer were fabulous. Ava doing the double point was perfection. I live the idea of these two scheming together. Their truce is going to be entertaining. 

[Blackie]

58 minutes ago, Desperado said:

who I didn’t think was that great looking

 

she looked like a canard.

 

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

CW is playing desperation very well.

 

 

It is like nuNIna is reverting to MS's crazy Nina. I laughed when she was telling the nurse all that was going to go down and the nurse basically put her on hold.

 

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Today I learned that the Paris catacombs were originally 12th century mines.

 

Is that a GH fact or a RL fact, I will have to check google 😆

[YaddaYadda]

Euro trash joins the "search" for Lucy. That's not how Parisien women dress. Let's give her a beret to complement the look and also sunglasses à la Audrey Hepburn,. That dude she interacted with at the end, has he been on the show before? He looks familiar.

Of course Willow forgave Carly. And Nina took nothing from Carly. The hotel, she bought as a goodwill gesture toward Carly, she wanted to give it to her no strings attached. Sonny made his choice because he's a grown ass man. They should put Drew and Willow together. They can pep talk each other to death. There's no cure for that at least.

Michael is angry at Carly. I don't know how long that will take, but it looks like she and Sonny will be going another round tomorrow.

The Spencer/Ava scenes were good. But MW needs a hair cut and he needs to wash his hair.

Heather came on really strong. I'm assuming they're trying to establish a parallel between Heather/Nina with them finding their long lost daughters and their eagerness. I'm not into her being her mother, tbh. 

[Katy M]

Watching yesterday's episode and I loved the Ryan/Heather scenes. 

I've been waiting my whole life to spend time with my daughter.

No you haven't.

She probably doesn't know my name.

She doesn't.

Not so much the words, but HEather's impassioned statements and Ryan's deadpan replies were perfect.

 

 

[blondiek237]

WTF. Nina is evil incarnate because she kept Sonny from Carly, but Carly is forgiven.  I would say unbelievable but this is the Carly show.

[CeChase]

It really is the Carly show.  I will probably end up ff to scenes with Spencer, Trina, Joss, Dex, (I know everyone hates them but I don't) Cam, Ava, Laura, Esme and then the freak show Ryan and Heather are treating us to because I laugh every time.  I find Portia and Curtis so boring and ridiculous, and I want nothing to do with Carly's world.  I will also watch Liz.  It will save me a lot of time, and many episodes I'll be able to skip all together.  

[dubbel zout]

26 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

And Nina took nothing from Carly. The hotel, she bought as a goodwill gesture toward Carly, she wanted to give it to her no strings attached. Sonny made his choice because he's a grown ass man.

That's pretty much what Carly said to Willow. I was surprised Carly admitted it.

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I am shocked that Willow told Nina that it wasn't her decision to make.

I think you mean she told the SheBeast?

[statsgirl]

39 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I think you mean she told the SheBeast?

Yes thanks.

Not surprising that Heather came on too strong. She's unable to moderate herself.

2 hours ago, Blackie said:

Is that a GH fact or a RL fact, I will have to check google 

Quote

Much of the Left Bank area rests upon rich Lutetian limestone deposits. This stone built much of the city, but it was extracted in suburban locations away from any habitation. Because of the post 12th-century haphazard mining technique of digging wells down to the deposit and extracting it horizontally until depletion, many of these (often illicit) mines were uncharted, and when depleted, often abandoned and forgotten.

The ossuary remained largely forgotten until it became a novelty-place for concerts and other private events in the early 19th century; after further renovations and the construction of accesses around Place Denfert-Rochereau, it was opened to public visitation from 1874. Since 2013, the Catacombs have numbered among the fourteen City of Paris Museums managed by Paris Musées. Although the ossuary comprises only a small section of the underground mines of Paris, Parisians currently often refer to the entire tunnel network as the catacombs.

 

[One Tough Cookie]

I need Wilow to die.  Fuck you Carly I'm waiting for Karma to FINALLY catch up with you, if the shows would Ever allow St. Carly to be taken down a notch.

[racked]

20 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

CW's Nina is the best thing that's ever happened to the character of Sonny Corinthos.  It's astonishing how much more tolerable (and yes, as someone upthread said, charming!) he is.  And I say this as someone who has hated Sonny since he gave Karen drugs and got her on a stripper pole.

MB is still mumbly and sometimes barely awake but when he’s in scenes with CW he actually has a warmth and happiness that makes me understand how other characters could like Sonny and see him as a kindly criminal. He really comes alive with her and I cannot believe it makes me like Sonny but it does. 

5 hours ago, ffwbe said:

Also, they’ve been dragging this out so long that I don’t think Nina is the match 

The foreshadowing is way too strong but if not Nina what’s the twist going to be here? They’re not going to let Willow die right now but there’s no other shocking relative to use.

I know a lot of Esme’s history has been retconned since they went with Heather as her mom, but is the final consensus that it was actually a coincidence that she ended up at Spencer’s boarding school and not because Ryan planted her there? 

[Melgaypet]

4 minutes ago, racked said:

The foreshadowing is way too strong but if not Nina what’s the twist going to be here? They’re not going to let Willow die right now but there’s no other shocking relative to use.

Back From the Dead Nelle? It would serve Carly/Michael/Willow right.

[One Tough Cookie]

Who is Willow and Nelle's father?

[driver18]

17 minutes ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Who is Willow and Nelle's father?

Dr. Silas Clay. Also, Kiki Jerome's father. Yes, Michael slept with all three. (Michael Easton's character before Finn; Silas was killed by Nina's mother.)

[DanaK]

14 minutes ago, racked said:

 

I know a lot of Esme’s history has been retconned since they went with Heather as her mom, but is the final consensus that it was actually a coincidence that she ended up at Spencer’s boarding school and not because Ryan planted her there? 

I could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s been resolved one way or another

[threebluestars]

Technically Nina should maybe match by half - and only ever half. A sibling is always the best candidate for a match. Which means Back From The Dead Nelle should be showing up soon.

[Cheyanne11]

20 minutes ago, racked said:

They’re not going to let Willow die right now but there’s no other shocking relative to use.

At this point I'm waiting for either Carly to suddenly be a match or Saint Willow to be miraculously cured because she is pure of heart.  #FuckThisShow

I really hate the direction they're taking Nina in.  Seems like she's heading for another breakdown.  And why does she have to go around apologizing to everyone? 

Those Willow/Carly scenes were something else--and not in any sort of good way.  How, how, HOW do the writers think this is good writing for Carly?  If I was LW (#GHBaby) I'd want something more meaty to act with, as this snotty, defiant "it's for my family, fuck everyone else" persona is played out by a good solid five years.

Loved the Spencer/Ava scenes.  I've been waiting for these two to team up and today didn't disappoint.