Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

41 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I know I'm the only one, but my heart is breaking for Willow.

I'd feel more sorry for Willow if I didn't know her leukemia is the framework for Carly's Dilemma, which is the real story here, of course. To tell or not to tell Nina? And if anyone gets mad at Carly, it will be for a few hours, and then everyone will realize Carly was right to keep the secret that Nina is Willow's mother, because it's Nina, OMG TEH EVUL!!11 of Port Charles.

[YaddaYadda]

3 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

For once I'm totally confused. How can Curtis and Portia know each other long enough for him to be Trina's daddy????

Curtis and Portia had an affair some 18-19 years ago, that's how they knew each other when she they finally cast the character. Curtis broke things off with her when he found out she was married.

When he found out she was Trina's mother, he asked her if she was his, which Portia denied. But like months before, Stella did a 23 & Me DNA test and found out she had a relative in PC. Then sometime later Trina did the same. Given the fact that there are literally 2 Black families on this dumb show, it wasn't all that hard to figure out who the relative was.

It wasn't mentioned again, then Portia and Jordan got trapped in that gas leak and Portia made a semi-confession to passed out Jordan about Trina's father, which Jordan sort of heard but never worked out. 

Portia also found out about Marshall's schizophrenia which had her freaking out about Trina having mental health issues.

GH is creatively bankrupt.

[ciarra]

Kemo's bell bottoms were tragic.

KSt's fugly striped Goodwill shirt is from Anthropologie.

[CeChase]

5 hours ago, superdeluxe said:

Alan Sarapa?  Can we please not mention him around here?

I'm curious...why do you say this?

[dubbel zout]

Please take the Alan Sarapa discussion to either the media or small talk thread so it doesn't derail the episode thread. Thanks!

[Daisy]

6 hours ago, ciarra said:

Kemo's bell bottoms were tragic.

KSt's fugly striped Goodwill shirt is from Anthropologie.

I really like that sweater. I mean i know everything is each their own but i don't think it's ugly, (and i don't really think anything is wrong with goodwill, they have good stuff LOL)

 

9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I'd feel more sorry for Willow if I didn't know her leukemia is the framework for Carly's Dilemma, which is the real story here, of course. To tell or not to tell Nina? And if anyone gets mad at Carly, it will be for a few hours, and then everyone will realize Carly was right to keep the secret that Nina is Willow's mother, because it's Nina, OMG TEH EVUL!!11 of Port Charles.

like i say - fundamentally I feel sorry for Willow. the situation sucks. Why she has it is just dumb.  (and imo after the shock wears off how she reacts will determine how i feel)

[Ambrosefolly]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

I really like that sweater. I mean i know everything is each their own but i don't think it's ugly, (and i don't really think anything is wrong with goodwill, they have good stuff LOL)

So I have fallen down the Kibbe/Kitchener rabbit role and believe that sweater is fine, but she doesn't have the body type to pull it off. 

As far as this whole Trina/Curtis/Taggert thing...TIIC are being very stupid. They are so obsessed with nonsensically connecting everyone to the canvas, they are now undoing the one that is the most logical in service to a really crappy story.  It is the same problem and JFP/Guza had. They basically think that GH didn't exist before they took over. It is always year zero or worse, they try to desecrate history. While Curtis and Portia have been here for a few years, it isn't like Taggert, who is a genuine legacy of 25 year played by the original actor, coming from a time that is regarded as a second Golden age for GH. So the long standing audience are going to feel nothing but anger to this turn of events, especially since we didn't see Portia and Taggert's story play out.

[Cheyanne11]

22 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I'd feel more sorry for Willow if I didn't know her leukemia is the framework for Carly's Dilemma, which is the real story here, of course. To tell or not to tell Nina? And if anyone gets mad at Carly, it will be for a few hours, and then everyone will realize Carly was right to keep the secret that Nina is Willow's mother, because it's Nina, OMG TEH EVUL!!11 of Port Charles.

We all know she's going to get better because Nina will give her her bone marrow.  All this story is about is further pushing the ~feud between the three-headed beast Michael/Willow/Carly and Nina (and to a lesser extent Sonny).  Which will be pointless because in the end the three-headed beast will be given all the grace and be excused for any wrongdoings because for some reason the writers think this is what the audience wants. 

[YaddaYadda]

19 hours ago, ciarra said:

Kemo's bell bottoms were tragic.

As someone who has hated every second of skinny jeans, I'm happy to see bell bottoms or anything that's not skinny. 

[Steph J]

18 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

So I have fallen down the Kibbe/Kitchener rabbit role and believe that sweater is fine, but she doesn't have the body type to pull it off. 

As far as this whole Trina/Curtis/Taggert thing...TIIC are being very stupid. They are so obsessed with nonsensically connecting everyone to the canvas, they are now undoing the one that is the most logical in service to a really crappy story.  It is the same problem and JFP/Guza had. They basically think that GH didn't exist before they took over. It is always year zero or worse, they try to desecrate history. While Curtis and Portia have been here for a few years, it isn't like Taggert, who is a genuine legacy of 25 year played by the original actor, coming from a time that is regarded as a second Golden age for GH. So the long standing audience are going to feel nothing but anger to this turn of events, especially since we didn't see Portia and Taggert's story play out.

This has been a problem across the genre for about 20 years. One of the main appeals of soaps is the history, but at some point around the turn of the century the powers that be seemed to decide that history was no longer something worth building on to continue a story. Instead, it's like head writers looked at history as a challenge and set out to bend and twist and break it as much as they could and, to make matters worse, these twists often existed simply for the sake of having a twist and didn't actually add anything of value.

They dredged up long gone characters, recast them with "name" actors from other soaps, and reworked them so that they didn't much resemble their originals so that the characters were just strangers with familiar names; they undid existing family relationships with pointless paternity or maternity twists; and they started to retcon even groundbreaking old plots (yes, I am still mad at AMC for rewriting Erica's abortion). It's like at some point during the last two decades, the shows all collectively decided that nothing should be sacred anymore.

There are a lot of reasons why the genre is on its last legs, but the fact that you can't really invest in anything that happens because in could be undone in a month or a year when the writing regime changes or the current regime just gets bored and decides to scramble the pieces on the board is a big problem.

[Tenshinhan]

On 8/19/2022 at 10:58 PM, jsbt said:

Black people exist on the show, yes, but that does not mean most of them are major leading men and women in big stories. They are largely supporting players, C-plotlines and talk-tos. This show does not invest in 90% of its cast of color in major A-story and with the exception of their somewhat strained commitment to Trina so far (who has yet to be fully paired with the non-Black lead she was first teased with two actors ago) has not bothered with central story for them in over 20 years.

I don't think that you need to pair Black characters with white characters in order for Blacks to be in major storylines.  I'd rather see a Black couple written into a leading story than have a mixed-race couple just to see Black people be central characters.  The success of Black characters should not depend upon white characters.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Tenshinhan

[jsbt]

16 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

I don't think that you need to pair Black characters with white characters in order for Blacks to be in major storylines.  I'd rather see a Black couple written into a leading story than have a mixed-race couple just to see Black people be central characters.  The success of Black characters should not depend upon white characters.

I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact that they have slow-walked a major interracial romance when other less popular youth stories go full force, and it's not the first time soap operas have been scared shitless of them in the last 10, 20 or 30 years. It also isn't lost on me that there are zero frontburner or popular all Black couples on this show, and have not been for as long as I can remember.

[tessaray]

16 hours ago, jsbt said:

I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact that they have slow-walked a major interracial romance when other less popular youth stories go full force, and it's not the first time soap operas have been scared shitless of them in the last 10, 20 or 30 years. It also isn't lost on me that there are zero frontburner or popular all Black couples on this show, and have not been for as long as I can remember.

Which is weird, because a lot of the people who would complain 30 years ago now have biracial grandchildren. 

Curtis and Portia are pretty but boring. (Though Portia was rage-inducing with Oz.) TJ and Jordan are boring too. A recast Jordan might help there. To be fair, most of the white cast is also yawn-inducing.

I would be glued to a Taggert story if RA was up to it. As long as it isn't the one they already have queued up with Trina. Not looking forward to that mess.

[Daisy]

I'm not sure why the Q's are actually feeding the picnic but it's kinda cool. Baby Jason shows off and Dipstick is "Why are you there?" Baby Jason is there to deliver Sonny's raffle prize.. Olivia says "oh, you work for Sonny. COME IN!" Baby Jason  tells Dipstick the plan is failing. Dipstick cut his hair. i just noticed. 

I honestly thought the Spencer/Ava "You lied to me when I was a CHILD" thing was over but NOPE. Ava tells him when his face gets half melted off you can decide what you would/wouldn't do (solid). Ava is going to spill the tea. Nik stops her and says whatever he tells Spencer will only hurt Ava. Ava says is that a threat? Walk it back. Nik spins some BSery.  Ava decides to go with Nik's plan but they are to stay away from each other in private. 

Willow still hasn't told Dipstick. TJ and Willow still look v. sweet. Willow and Britt are talking bout her options. Britt says we have to start treatment asap. Willow says her research says she could harm/lose the baby. Britt confirms.  Willow says she wants to wait a few weeks. Britt says not the best idea. Willow says she will not accept that, she will not lose another child. (okay. now people can get mad). Chemo first trimester is a 38% chance of miscarriage, 2nd trimester is 10%.. Willow says she wants to fight, she always wanted children. and wants to give the baby the best chance at life possible.  Britt points out that if she waits, Willow's body wouldn't be strong enough to carry to term and she could lose the baby anyway. Willow goes "I have to choose between me and my baby?" (well yes. duh). Willow is hanging on to the waiting to the 2nd semester. She wants to know if Britt has other patients in this situation. Britt says yes. Baby lived, Mom died. Willow goes. right. Willow want more time. Britt says time she doesn't have.. the longer she waits, the worse it gets. Willow goes I have to talk to Michael. YA THINK?!

Britt is looking at a photo and says how Rocco will always be Ben to her and doesn't know why Lulu and Dante gave him such a stupid name like Rocco. Nik apologizes to Brit for real, and the friendship is back on track.  Nik says he's never telling Trina. she wasn't his to lose, he doesn't deserve her and Trina deserves happiness. 

DR and PI Suck are going over how they nearly killed a man to testify for Trina. and how great it was. Curtis wants to talk about the Future. didn't they just move in. Hatman shows up. They talk about Hatman's illness and bleh bleh i should get tested only if i have children, says Curtis. Portia looks sick. 

OH. It's at the Q's house. That explains it. {not sure why? but it splains it all) Sonny wants Nina to be there. Nina wants to know if it' to stick it to the Q's. (and by the Q's  - really it's just Olivia and Michael and stuff. God. we need more Q's that aren't Sonny apologists). Nina says it means much that Sonny will fight for her, but she won't going. 

Sonny and Baby Jason  argue. Sonny goes DO YOU KNOW WHAT WITHHOLDING FACTS IS? A LIE!! hahahahahhahahaha haaaaaahhaaaaaaahhaaaaaaaa. deep breath haaaaahhaaaaaaa HAAAHHHHHH. wheezeee. omg. i am dying. i can't breathe, y'all. I really appreciate the show going above and beyond, every time you think Sonny is changing because of Nina, he has a scene right after reminding you who he is.  Can we just fastforward to the part where Sonny shoots him him in the chest. 

Oh Nina thinks TJ and Willow are having an affair. hahahahhaahhahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHA  wheezeeeee. 

there was some other crap about an Italian Thunderbolt, and Olivia not supporting boundaries, Jordan and Hatman apologize.  Curtis proposes. Willow is going to tell michael.  

Hatman is now in the credits.

[statsgirl]

It's just starting and I'm already bored with Willow's pregnancy story.

Who thought that this episode was a good idea? I don't care about Dante and Sam and Olivia being nosy (btw A Midsummer Night's Dream was the grade 4 play at my daughter's school, the whole play, not a 30 minute version).  I really don't car about Curtis lame-ass proposal. I don't care about Dex and Michael plotting. Nik and Ava have been ruined as a couple.

When the best parts are Sonny willing to support Nina and Hatman acting mature about Jordan, you've got a real loser of an episode.

If I were a major financial donor to the GH paediatric wing, I'd want a catered barbeque, not what looks like a Bensonhurst low-budget get-together.

6 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Britt is looking at a photo and says how Rocco will always be Ben to her and doesn't know why Lulu and Dante gave him such a stupid name like Rocco.

tbh, I don't either.

[LexieLily]

I'm impressed that the show remembered Willow lost a child once before. It's too bad she never got therapy for her loss and instead Chase, Sasha, Michael, and Carly manipulated and guilted her into marrying Michael for custody. Essentially replacing her dead Wiley with Michael and Nelle's Wiley.

Do I want to know why Olivia is so keen on her firstborn son dating her other son's sister? Why is Leo making a "love potion" for his two siblings?

[statsgirl]

6 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Why is Leo making a "love potion" for his two siblings?

Never underestimate the power of Shakespeare.😁

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If I were a major financial donor to the GH paediatric wing, I'd want a catered barbeque, not what looks like a Bensonhurst low-budget get-together.

That's the thing like...why is Olivia cooking and Dante doing the grill. if this is for the financial supporters etc, it should be posh and this is what you do to attract more pockets. that's crazy. 

wasn't really aroun with the whole baby switch, custody thing. but Willow keeps going she lost the baby. [and i'm not diminishing this], but she also gave the baby up. [and i know why she did.]. but ... that's where my mind always goes to. like yeah the baby died and that sucks and you do get to mourn the loss, but you also gave up the baby too. so either way the baby was lost to you? (does that make sense?) and the baby she bonded with is the kid she's raising now. 

[mostlylurking]

20 hours ago, Steph J said:

One of the main appeals of soaps is the history, but at some point around the turn of the century the powers that be seemed to decide that history was no longer something worth building on to continue a story.

Yes and that’s so irritating.  I don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I can’t seem to get into new shows nowadays, especially the ones on the streaming platforms. I watch some and they’re good and all but they are way too short, like 8 episodes, 10 if you’re lucky.  I barely get into the show and the season’s already over.  Forget about any character development, there’s no time.  I agree with you that this was the best part of soaps, all the history and really feeling connected to the characters.  I hate when the current show runners shit on that.

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I would be glued to a Taggert story if RA was up to it.

I don’t know if Real would be up to it with his health issues but I had the hugest crush on Taggert back in the day and I always hated the he could never win against Sonny.  Now to have his daughter taken away from him is just absurd.  They have gone back and forth with this story for years now, going as far as to drop it completely for months.  I hope they do that again.

31 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Britt is looking at a photo and says how Rocco will always be Ben to her and doesn't know why Lulu and Dante gave him such a stupid name like Rocco.

I’m with her on that.  I like the name Ben.

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I can’t seem to get into new shows nowadays, especially the ones on the streaming platforms. I watch some and they’re good and all but they are way too short, like 8 episodes, 10 if you’re lucky

i am used to british shows being 8-10 episodes (hell even 3-4). so that never bothers me (but i can see how it can because it was a BIG adjustment LOL). 

[Cheyanne11]

40 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Baby Jason  tells Dipstick

Who is Dipstick?  

[Daisy]

10 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Who is Dipstick?  

so, so many people. 

(Michael). 

[statsgirl]

The only thing that could save a Trina paternity story for me is that if she turns out to be Taggart's after all.

Let Portia have a geriatric pregnancy for Curtis.

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Let Portia have a geriatric pregnancy for Curtis.

do they have to?

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

The only thing that could save a Trina paternity story for me is that if she turns out to be Taggart's after all.

honestly what would cool. 
A: that she's Taggert's
B: she DOES have mental disease anyway. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Who is Dipstick?  

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

so, so many people. 

(Michael). 

I'm actually fond of the moniker I came up with: SLS (Stupid Little Shit) Because that's what he is.

[perkie1968]

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Ava tells him when his face gets half melted off

But, Spencer did have a burned face, if anyone remembers the Phantom of the Opera days and the Burn Hospital special episodes.  

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

OH. It's at the Q's house. That explains it

Not really.  If I'm co owner of a hotel that has a conference room, I'd have it there, rather than in the backyard of my family home.  

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Hatman is now in the credits.

So was nuJordan and Leo.  

Edited August 22, 2022 by perkie1968

[Cheyanne11]

16 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Ava tells him when his face gets half melted off

But, Spencer did have a burned face, if anyone remembers the Phantom of the Opera days and the Burn Hospital special episodes.  

LOL,  his burn was the size of a quarter and they made such a thing out of it.  

[Katy M]

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Willow still hasn't told Dipstick. TJ and Willow still look v. sweet. Willow and Britt are talking bout her options. Britt says we have to start treatment asap. Willow says her research says she could harm/lose the baby. Britt confirms.  Willow says she wants to wait a few weeks. Britt says not the best idea. Willow says she will not accept that, she will not lose another child. (okay. now people can get mad). Chemo first trimester is a 38% chance of miscarriage, 2nd trimester is 10%.. Willow says she wants to fight, she always wanted children. and wants to give the baby the best chance at life possible.  Britt points out that if she waits, Willow's body wouldn't be strong enough to carry to term and she could lose the baby anyway. Willow goes "I have to choose between me and my baby?" (well yes. duh). Willow is hanging on to the waiting to the 2nd semester. She wants to know if Britt has other patients in this situation. Britt says yes. Baby lived, Mom died. Willow goes. right. Willow want more time. Britt says time she doesn't have.. the longer she waits, the worse it gets. Willow goes I have to talk to Michael. YA THINK?!

She can't be that far from second trimester.

[statsgirl]

41 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

But, Spencer did have a burned face, if anyone remembers the Phantom of the Opera days and the Burn Hospital special episodes.  

You do. But it seems like no one on the show does. (To be fair, the roles of both Spencer and Nik have been recast since then.)

41 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

If I'm co owner of a hotel that has a conference room, I'd have it there, rather than in the backyard of my family home.  

I'm sure that the backyard acres of the Quartermaine estate are beautiful. Some of those old houses are gorgeous.  (The 3.5 acre former home of David Dunlop, now the residence of the president of the University of Toronto.)

My complaint is the crappy food and what appears to be cheap organization and entertainment when Olivia has the Metro Court resources. Is Brook Lynn going to DJ or did they get actual musicians to play? Did also they get Wylie's nanny to make chocolate chip cookies with him to serve for dessert? We may not have seen the Quartermaine servants in the old days other than Reginald, but we knew that they had them.

10 minutes ago, Katy M said:

She can't be that far from second trimester.

Second trimester is 14 weeks after last menstrual period. How often do Willow and Michael have sex?

[Sake614]

22 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

LOL,  his burn was the size of a quarter and they made such a thing out of it.  

I was just going to say the same thing. They even did the whole PSA about Shriners Childrens Hospital ad nauseum, over a teeny tiny little burn mark. 🙄

[Daisy]

15 minutes ago, Katy M said:

She can't be that far from second trimester.

she legit said weeks but i mean. i dunnno. it would be nice to know exactly how many weeks willow so we could really see. because truthfully if i were i that situation. if it were like. 2 weeks or so.. okay two weeks. but if "weeks" is like. 6 weeks. then that's a horse of a different colour.

[Kim0820]

On 8/19/2022 at 10:58 PM, jsbt said:

Like all American soaps for the bulk of the 21st century, it's true that GH and ABC know a lot of their audience is people of color. They just refuse to write major story for Black people, or Asian people, or LGBT people, because they fear losing what they believe is the bulk of their bigger, fading audience: Old white senior citizens in the Midwest.

I remember ages ago that it was the 18-49 demographic they covet the most, as they do the most discretionary spending and the older people have confirmed spending habits that won't change.  Thus they try to increase the pace and don't pay attention to the history.

Trina seems front burner to me.  Even Sonny cares.  

On 8/20/2022 at 1:46 AM, Steph J said:

Which begs the question of why Jordan sent the file to DA to approve charges when she so clearly had doubts about Trina's guilt and was still investigating even after Trina was getting ready to go on trial.

Most PC cops are incompetent - they have to be so Mooby can be the hero.  

[perkie1968]

43 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

You do. But it seems like no one on the show does. (To be fair, the roles of both Spencer and Nik have been recast since then.)

I was going to say, the writers should then I remembered who the writers are, so yeah.  But also, Ava was around back then. which makes me wonder if actors are allowed to correct writers, in a situation like that.  

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Second trimester is 14 weeks after last menstrual period.

Willow found out on June 28 that she was pregnant which was 7 weeks ago.  Some "days" last at least a week long,on this show  but if they're going based on real time and she was approx 8 weeks when she was told she was pregnant than she's now give or take 15 weeks......and I have now put more thought into it than any of the writers.  

[Auntie Velvet]

I thought the show today was actually pretty good. As much as we've all been bored by Millow, if you're going to introduce a pregnancy that is both a medical crisis AND an eventual maternity reveal, you don't drop it for two weeks! So I'm glad they're picking up the pace with it again.

 Even the Hatman stuff was bearable, but probably I think that because it seems like he's about to launch into what I said a few months ago -- the family history probably explains Tommy's overreaction and death.

I'm starting to suspect that they've got a gem of an actor in Leo. He is endearing and engaged.

[Auntie Velvet]

On 8/20/2022 at 1:19 PM, statsgirl said:

Franco wanted to invite Liz's family to celebrate their wedding but when she told him no, he dropped it.  (Another the reason I preferred Friz to Fiz.)

You would think if Franco contacted anyone back then, it would be the brother they shared (speaking of shared siblings.) I know Steve is probably still in prison, but it would have made more sense.

[Katy M]

36 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Willow found out on June 28 that she was pregnant which was 7 weeks ago.  Some "days" last at least a week long,on this show  but if they're going based on real time and she was approx 8 weeks when she was told she was pregnant than she's now give or take 15 weeks......and I have now put more thought into it than any of the writers.  

See, that's what I thought.  That at the very least she has to be superclose to the second trimester. And, if your numbers are correct she's already second trimester.

[nilyank]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

The only thing that could save a Trina paternity story for me is that if she turns out to be Taggart's after all.

So it will be like the Finn and Chase story where they heavily implied that Finn was the dad when his brother showed up in Port Charles but then when they finally did the reveal, we found out it wasn''t true.

[rur]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I'm sure that the backyard acres of the Quartermaine estate are beautiful. Some of those old houses are gorgeous

I know the Qs have a rose garden -- Lila volunteered it for someone's wedding. But, even outside, I'd still expect excellent food and service, not backyard barbecue offerings. 

[Cheyanne11]

54 minutes ago, Katy M said:

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

Willow found out on June 28 that she was pregnant which was 7 weeks ago.  Some "days" last at least a week long,on this show  but if they're going based on real time and she was approx 8 weeks when she was told she was pregnant than she's now give or take 15 weeks......and I have now put more thought into it than any of the writers.  

See, that's what I thought.  That at the very least she has to be superclose to the second trimester. And, if your numbers are correct she's already second trimester.

I would bet only 2 weeks in PC time have passed, meaning she's probably supposed to be 10 weeks along and that would be a 4 week wait to start chemo.  As Britt said, any delays are a risk.

I love (as in, I hate) the way they act like Olivia was raised in a Sicilian village, with the love potions in her hope chest, etc. 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Cheyanne11

[TVbitch]

Hopefully there will be some hijinks with this potion and Dante will end up in love with Britt. I will even accept Austin and Britt. I just need one couple with actual chemistry, please! I guess Ava and Nik could drink it and fall back in love, but they pretty much ruined them with the Esme crap. 

[Daisy]

18 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

guess Ava and Nik could drink it and fall back in love, but they pretty much ruined them with the Esme crap.

i have to say, i get it is a soap so anything is possible and forgiveable, but sleeping with basically a teenager is not. I could never route for them after that. 

[TeeVee329]

I thought it was interesting they gave Britt that moment with the Ben picture, it was a quiet moment this show rarely goes for.  And then transitioning directly from that to Spencer coming to see her and them more firmly getting their relationship back on track was so smart.

Edited August 23, 2022 by TeeVee329

[Auntie Velvet]

9 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I thought it was interesting they gave Britt that moment with the Ben picture, it was a quiet moment this show rarely goes for.  And then transitioning directly from that to Spencer coming to see her and them more firmly getting their relationship back on track was so smart.

I wish that before he left Spencer had asked her again if she was OK and she had opened up. They could have discussed Ben -- for a time, the four of them were a little family. But at least this conversation has gotten them back on track.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

Hopefully there will be some hijinks with this potion and Dante will end up in love with Britt. I will even accept Austin and Britt. I just need one couple with actual chemistry, please! I guess Ava and Nik could drink it and fall back in love, but they pretty much ruined them with the Esme crap. 

It feels like a long time since they did a fantasy episode (A Christmas Carol?). This would be a really great opportunity to take the play and the love potion and do a fun mixed-up couples episode.

[Gemini2989]

7 hours ago, Daisy said:

i have to say, i get it is a soap so anything is possible and forgiveable, but sleeping with basically a teenager is not. I could never route for them after that. 

Ava slept with Morgan the first time when he was 19. So she is no better than Nikolas in this situation. People just tend to excuse it because they thought it was “hot” which didn’t make it any less wrong. We won’t even get into the whole Morgan,Sonny,Ava situation which was worse. Soap couples cheat that’s how it goes in this genre, name  a couple that hasn’t cheated on each other, cheated with each other, or are together because of cheating.But Ava knows more than a thing or two about sleeping with her child’s significant other so I’ll never understand why people see this as such a deal breaker with Nikolas. Ava doesn’t get a pass from me just because she’s “changed” and people saw her affair with Morgan as less disgusting visually. 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Gemini2989

[Daisy]

3 hours ago, Gemini2989 said:

Ava slept with Morgan the first time when he was 19. So she is no better than Nikolas in this situation. People just tend to excuse it because they thought it was “hot” which didn’t make it any less wrong. We won’t even get into the whole Morgan,Sonny,Ava situation which was worse. Soap couples cheat that’s how it goes in this genre, name  a couple that hasn’t cheated on each other, cheated with each other, or are together because of cheating.But Ava knows more than a thing or two about sleeping with her child’s significant other so I’ll never understand why people see this as such a deal breaker with Nikolas. Ava doesn’t get a pass from me just because she’s “changed” and people saw her affair with Morgan as less disgusting visually. 

I will amend my statement. using this information that you provided.  If Nik and Ava were married and Ava slept with a teenager, and then blame Nik for "making her do it." i wouldn't root for them either. I don't mind the 'Lolita/Hello Mrs. Robinson" storyline  per se so Ava sleeping with Morgan (OR Nik sleeping with Esme) wouldn't bother me - but it bugs me that he did it whilst married. then basically went "I thought our marriage was over). (and then he was whinging that he wouldn't have done it if he had known if she was evil). it just is like - yeh, not for me. 

I know cheating is a Soap Staple, but I am generally am consistent. even if i really DIG the cheating couple  and the story because of it(the best example for me is Jess + Nash from OLTL after she integrated, i thought that was extremely well done), I don't really like the cheating at all. and I will say a lot of the times, it sours me towards the person/couple for ages.(again Jess + Nash  from OLTL LOL). 

I don't even think Nik's been in a relationship where he hasn't cheated (and I think almost every time it's always someone else's fault he never woulda done it otherwise). so yeah my fault for not going more into depth in my original statement but that's where it is coming from. others could probably forgive it and see it as just a roadblock. (heck. maybe i will, if the story is good enough who knows) but as for now. what Nik did just makes the couple not rootable for me.

[dubbel zout]

14 hours ago, nilyank said:

17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

The only thing that could save a Trina paternity story for me is that if she turns out to be Taggart's after all.

So it will be like the Finn and Chase story where they heavily implied that Finn was the dad when his brother showed up in Port Charles but then when they finally did the reveal, we found out it wasn''t true.

Which ultimately made the story pointless, IMO. So much time wasted on something that never was. Nothing changed.

13 hours ago, rur said:

But, even outside, I'd still expect excellent food and service, not backyard barbecue offerings. 

With the way everyone was chomping on baby carrots, the guests better fill their plates while they can.

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I love (as in, I hate) the way they act like Olivia was raised in a Sicilian village, with the love potions in her hope chest, etc. 

They've always done this, so at least there's character consistency. I don't like it much, either. It's way too clichéd.

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

t feels like a long time since they did a fantasy episode (A Christmas Carol?). This would be a really great opportunity to take the play and the love potion and do a fun mixed-up couples episode.

It's a little late for a light summer story—which this is perfect for—but I'll take it over the idiocies were stuck with that are supposed to be more substantial.

54 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I don't even think Nik's been in a relationship where he hasn't cheated (and I think almost every time it's always someone else's fault he never woulda done it otherwise).

Nik's penis just can't help itself. He's always been really weak when it comes to relationships.

[Kim0820]

18 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Do I want to know why Olivia is so keen on her firstborn son dating her other son's sister? Why is Leo making a "love potion" for his two siblings?

I hadn't even thought about that.  Show can get things so compartmentalized that it takes a while.  They don't make Sam/Leo scenes or enough dialogue, so it is possible to forget this.  

Willow really should get an abortion and then start over after she is cancer free, but then show maybe should not handle this controversial topic, as the writers aren't good enough.  The leukemia is not enough alone?  They had to add in pregnancy.  They just didn't think it would be dramatic enough without that, I guess.  

They are addicted to pregnancy in stories.  Now they are hinting Portia should have one, though that doesn't have to pan out because it was aimed at Curtis having a child, and he already has one.  Though one already raised by someone else isn't the same.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 hours ago, Gemini2989 said:

name  a couple that hasn’t cheated on each other, cheated with each other, or are together because of cheating.

1. Robin and Stone
2. Robin and Jason
3. Frisco and Felicia
4. Robert and Holly
5. Jake and Rose (thought I can't recall why they broke up-I think because she left after Lou died)
6. Robert and Anna 
7. Luke and Holly (first time, post Laura's "death")
8. Robert and Jackie
9. Jason Q and Keisha
10. Brenda and Jax (First Time)
11. Jax and Skye
12. Scott and Dominique(?)
13. Tony and Tanya

So there are some couples who were together where there was no cheating.

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Jake and Rose (thought I can't recall why they broke up-I think because she left after Lou died)

Basically, yes.  She was also having a hard time forgiving Blackie and by extension Jake for defending him.