Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[statsgirl]

24 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Florence is kidnapped right now.

Does Jackie know? She told Cyrus that she wouldn't tell him where his mother is.

I know, Martin told her that his mother was kidnapped and that's why she went looking for her but I wish just one person on this show besides Chase would follow the law.

Between Britt's remarks about Dante and Sam, and Laura and Leslie saying how strong Lulu is, I expect Lulu to reappear at the most inconvenient moment.

[YaddaYadda]

So I'm assuming Obrecht is the one Maxie is talking to.

So it's a wedding, and while Sam looked better than she has in a long time, why a black dress? She is always dressed in black. It's a wedding, pull out another color out of the closet, wardrobe. 

The episode wasn't bad. 

Maxie, if you're having second thoughts about Peter, maybe you shouldn't marry him. 

Anna and Valentin should really stop giving a crap about Peter. How fucking old is this clown that they needed to coddle him at first, while he lied in their faces, then decided that he needed to be saved from Jason. Didn't Peter also frame Sam for something that put her in jail, or something? 

Also, what happened between Britt and Sam? I don't even remember them ever interacting. 

From the looks of it, it seems like Jason might crash the wedding, and stop that train wreck now that he knows that Franco is hearing Peter's voice in his head.

Let Curtis and Jordan divorce, please. This whole thing feels forced. But I guess shit happens when you mix personal life and business. Jordan had no business including Curtis in her investigations. At one point, he looked like he was a member of the PCPD because he was all up in that. This whole thing between them feels all kinds of absurd. But I'm assuming that they are looking to move Curtis on to Portia.

[dubbel zout]

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

48 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Florence is kidnapped right now.

Does Jackie know? She told Cyrus that she wouldn't tell him where his mother is.

She does, and it's why she's involved in the first place. Martin asked her to find Florence. Jackie told Cyrus she didn't know where Florence was now because she assumed Florence would be moved after Jackie and Martin found her. That seems likely, IMO, especially since Jason was waiting for them.

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I wish just one person on this show besides Chase would follow the law.

Jordan is pretty sure Florence was kidnapped, but after hearing she might be in Vermont, said it was out of her jurisdiction. 

[ffwbe]

11 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Let Curtis and Jordan divorce, please. This whole thing feels forced. But I guess shit happens when you mix personal life and business. Jordan had no business including Curtis in her investigations. At one point, he looked like he was a member of the PCPD because he was all up in that. This whole thing between them feels all kinds of absurd. But I'm assuming that they are looking to move Curtis on to Portia.

I think that’s why we’re getting a career change for Curtis. Along with making it easier to set up random interactions with other characters, Curtis has primarily been working with either Jordan or Laura. He functioned as more of a cop than the actual detective Chase. When was the last time we actually saw him on his own PI investigation?
 

Though the show may not be very interested in showing PIs working anymore. We already have the PCPD and mob types playing a similar role. Not to mention when they have Anna working, Robert looking into Peter, etc. How many characters need to be seen investigating? I wouldn’t be surprised if Curtis is just selling his firm to Sam so she’ll be able to reference working and bring on Dante as a partner to give an excuse of why they’re interacting. 

[ulkis]

38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Between Britt's remarks about Dante and Sam, and Laura and Leslie saying how strong Lulu is, I expect Lulu to reappear at the most inconvenient moment.

I don't know it will seem like a pretty convenient moment to me. #savedante #itdoesnthavetobelulu #notcarlythough

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by ulkis

[lala2]

1 hour ago, ffwbe said:

I’m glad that they split because I didn’t think they had chemistry but they were kind of making it appear that Curtis was stringing her along until he had someone else. He wanted to separate instead of divorce but turned down her offer of therapy, which I took to mean that he didn’t really want to work on repairing things. We’ve also heard him flat out tell others that he can’t trust Jordan. 

Thanks for the updates! 

I don't think they have much chemistry either, but Jordan just needs to forget about Curtis. Again, I'm not even a Jordan fan, but I don't think she deserves this. Curtis didn't even try to work on their marriage. I guess "for better or for worse" didn't mean much to him! 

If I were Jordan, I'd surprise Curtis b/c I would send him divorce papers as soon as the law permitted. LOL! 

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Jordan is pretty sure Florence was kidnapped, but after hearing she might be in Vermont, said it was out of her jurisdiction. 

I don't suppose Jordan thought ahead to coordinate with the Vermont police or even ask them to investigate.

[Cheyanne11]

2 hours ago, Hater said:

I hate Spinelli and wish Peter would have stabbed him right there in the throat or something.  The entire character just grates on my last nerve.

Stop teasing me!  The character was mildly amusing when he first showed up as a stoner hacker about 15 years ago.  Now?  He's beyond insufferable.

And, totally shallow, but those bags under BA's eyes are like...

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Jordan is pretty sure Florence was kidnapped, but after hearing she might be in Vermont, said it was out of her jurisdiction. 

This is what is so ridiculous. Cyrus makes a report to the commissioner that his mother has been kidnapped and she says that it's out of her jurisdiction?  In that case, she should have reported it to whoever's jurisdiction it was. As should Cyrus for that matter although he could have been worried that Jason would hurt his mother if he did.

Same with Jackie. Martin tells her that his mother has been kidnapped, she finds Florence and because Florence, a sick old lady who presumably cannot make her own decisions, tells her that she's okay, Jackie doesn't report it to the authorities and refuses to tell her son where she is. Patty Hearst also said that she was fine being kidnapped but that didn't stop authorities from looking for her.

Just because Cyrus is teh evul doesn't mean that everyone else is allowed to break all the laws in dealing with him, and that includes Laura, Leslie and Monica just as Nelle being a bad person doesn't excuse Carly forging her   signature and locking her on the roof overnight, and Monica and Bobbie covering it up.

[Cheyanne11]

By the way, I know we're all supposed to be scared of Peter because he's TEH EVUL, but it's hilarious to me when he's by himself and ~talking to Maxie about the wedding in what sounds like a menacing way.  Is it because LWB is just not a very good actor or is he going to be revealed that he wants to kill her on their wedding night for some unknown reason (Pretty sure it's the former).

[TVbitch]

Did I black out or something? Cuz one minute Finn and Anna were walking out the door with luggage to go find Obrecht, which made it seem like the wedding was some time away. Then the next thing I know Valentine is spilling the beans to Anna and the wedding is the very next day. (?!) 

Also, are you fucking kidding me that Anna used the original folder of data that incriminated Peter and not a copy when she confronted him. Oy vey!!!!!

PS. Sam, I don't think you are supposed to out-boob the bride! 

[paisley]

What do the coins on Nathan's headstone mean?

So Peter is the only member of the bridal party on site?

What's in the envelope from Dmitri Marick? I'll bet Obrecht will look fabulous at the wedding when she breaks it out.

Of course Florence is going to do much better with Corinthii Care than she would at another establishment.

My heart truly believed we were getting the death of Spinelli. I imagined the blood and everything.

Sam looked good.

What kind of marriage counseling helps when one partner lies and breaks the trust? Curtis is done, end of story. No one can tell a person what's acceptable in a relationship. Jordan makes bad choices on the regular so she just choiced out of her marriage. She looked real pitiful but oh,well.    

I'm really enjoying MEK and I hope they give him more to do. He can handle it and looks real good while doing it.

If I were Laura and Lesley I'd take Cyrus' threats very seriously. Just like Flo disappeared from her facility Lily can come up missing from hers.

There must've been a sale at the tux rental place because we've seen a lot of dressed up men but few frocked up women. And who's taking care of Violet? There's Franco drama at Auntie Liz's, does she know anyone else?

I'm kind of looking forward to this coming week on GH, but I'll probably just get my feelings hurt.

Lulu, not Lily stupid Kindle.

[perkie1968]

4 hours ago, paisley said:

So Peter is the only member of the bridal party on site?

I'm going to laugh so hard if he's standing at the altar and no one shows up.  

 

4 hours ago, paisley said:

What's in the envelope from Dmitri Marick?

A flashdrive with a message from Alex, likely a confession that she's really Peter's mother.  

 

4 hours ago, paisley said:

Sam looked good.

The hair and makeup were on point but the dress was too much.  My 13 year old asked why Sam would wear black at a wedding and why did she have so much boob showing.  

Britt's dress rocked.  Wasn't sure how I felt about Jordan's.  I get that the wedding likely won't happen, but I'm super pissed that Felicia, Mac, Robin and family are not there.  

Someone remind me of the connection between Curtis and Finn that's strong enough that Curtis would be a groomsman?  

4 hours ago, paisley said:

And who's taking care of Violet?

When Curtis showed up, Finn said Violet was super excited and pointed toward the bedroom, so I assumed she was in there.  Which makes it even weirder that he just up and left to go and get the DNA results, basically leaving her alone.  

[driver18]

15 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Anna and Valentin should really stop giving a crap about Peter. How fucking old is this clown that they needed to coddle him at first, while he lied in their faces, then decided that he needed to be saved from Jason. Didn't Peter also frame Sam for something that put her in jail, or something? 

Also, what happened between Britt and Sam? I don't even remember them ever interacting.

Two things with the first point:

1. It's not so much about Peter as it's about their own personal failings. Whether it's a planted memory or not, Anna emotionally and mentally feels that Peter is a child that she left behind, didn't check on and thus left into the care of Faison. She loves him.  She can't just turn that off.  Valentine knew exactly who and what Faison was and yet to punish "Anna" for hurting him, he left that same helpless child in his care. And like Anna, Valentin also loves Peter. He can't just turn that off.  So it's a mix of their guilt that they screwed up, and that they DO love him.

2. Look at the bolded part: You're talking about murder. Yes, Peter did (and is doing) awful things, and will continue to do them to cover up his crimes, but Anna (and Valentine) setting events into motion that they KNOW will lead to a hitman murdering him is wrong. It would make them an accessory to murder. First of all, see #1. Second of all, haven't so many been complaining about issues with the characterization of Anna? Anna Devane is not going to countenance murder, be an accessory to it, especially to one for someone who really is (in almost every way) essentially her child. Nope, nope, nope.

RE: Britt/Sam -- they haven't ever really interacted (beyond probably a few scenes when Britt and Nicolas were together and the Sam/Nicholas Cassadine connection). However, Dante being stabbed and at the hospital, it makes sense that Britt would know how much Sam was there visiting with Dante (because she was there a lot) since Britt is the COS and has been shown to have her pulse on everything going on at GH.

32 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Someone remind me of the connection between Curtis and Finn that's strong enough that Curtis would be a groomsman? 

Hayden and Curtis were besties before, during and after Finn and Hayden's relationship, which included Finn's drug addiction phase. He provided support for Finn as well. Curtis was also the one who was there when Hayden left Finn on their wedding day, lied to him about losing their child, gave him the letter to meet her in Rome, etc.

Edited February 27, 2021 by driver18

[Gam2]

I watched GH for years and years until I didn’t. Leslie was one of my favorites. She was a really good actress who was invested in her role and gave it her all. I’m distressed that they’ve brought her back with her obvious disabilities. They only show her sitting or standing for brief moments. She’s also having trouble either remembering her lines or just saying them. We won’t even mention her hair. I would rather remember the Leslie who was really on her game.

[dubbel zout]

4 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

9 hours ago, paisley said:

So Peter is the only member of the bridal party on site?

I'm going to laugh so hard if he's standing at the altar and no one shows up.  

This would be amazing.

4 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

I get that the wedding likely won't happen, but I'm super pissed that Felicia, Mac, Robin and family are not there.  

This mollifies me a bit as to why we won't see most of Maxie's family.

[ciarra]

9 hours ago, paisley said:

What do the coins on Nathan's headstone mean?

If I recall correctly, Nathan had a kind heart and would give his change to those less fortunate.  I believe it began when he was a child, because Nina remembers it. 

[YaddaYadda]

4 hours ago, driver18 said:

2. Look at the bolded part: You're talking about murder. Yes, Peter did (and is doing) awful things, and will continue to do them to cover up his crimes, but Anna (and Valentine) setting events into motion that they KNOW will lead to a hitman murdering him is wrong. It would make them an accessory to murder. First of all, see #1. Second of all, haven't so many been complaining about issues with the characterization of Anna? Anna Devane is not going to countenance murder, be an accessory to it, especially to one for someone who really is (in almost every way) essentially her child. Nope, nope, nope.

So I'm not advocating murder or anything like that. But I think that Peter should be able to take care of himself rather than have Anna and Valentin ride to his rescue. 

[statsgirl]

Isn't Anna BFF with Jason now? She certainly goes to him for help when she needs it.

Anna can't have it both ways -- either Jason is a trusted confidante that she can go to when she needs help or he's a totally out of control hit man who she can't trust.

I also missed why making the information public would automatically lead to Jason killing Peter. Because Peter arranged for Drew to be killed? I never saw that amount of affection from Jason for him. Because he tried to have Andre and Franco killed?  Jason doesn't care about the former and would be glad if the latter were killed. Because Peter imprisoned him for five years? Most likely answer but I thought the Borg was supposed to be emotionless like that.

Anna's fear of Jason killing Peter doesn't make sense, especially if her new purpose is to protect Maxie.

[Daisy]

3 hours ago, Gam2 said:

I watched GH for years and years until I didn’t. Leslie was one of my favorites. She was a really good actress who was invested in her role and gave it her all. I’m distressed that they’ve brought her back with her obvious disabilities. They only show her sitting or standing for brief moments. She’s also having trouble either remembering her lines or just saying them. We won’t even mention her hair. I would rather remember the Leslie who was really on her game.

To be fair - maybe she wants to come back even though she has disabilities. I remember the woman who played Lila always wanted to come into work even though she was struggling with her lines and what not and she was devastated when they finally said no (I think that was close to the week that she died if i remember right)

[dubbel zout]

28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Anna's fear of Jason killing Peter doesn't make sense, especially if her new purpose is to protect Maxie.

You don't have to kill Peter to protect Maxie. If they have the right kind of information, they could hand him over to the WSB and let them deal with Peter. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happens. Peter wouldn't stay in custody for long, sadly, but the show isn't going to kill him off, either.

[FilmTVGeek80]

21 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Same with Jackie. Martin tells her that his mother has been kidnapped, she finds Florence and because Florence, a sick old lady who presumably cannot make her own decisions, tells her that she's okay, Jackie doesn't report it to the authorities and refuses to tell her son where she is. Patty Hearst also said that she was fine being kidnapped but that didn't stop authorities from looking for her.

Just because Cyrus is teh evul doesn't mean that everyone else is allowed to break all the laws in dealing with him, and that includes Laura, Leslie and Monica just as Nelle being a bad person doesn't excuse Carly forging her   signature and locking her on the roof overnight, and Monica and Bobbie covering it up.

It's not like Jackie just left Florence there alone. She went with Martin, her other son. It's quite clear Martin adores his mother and wouldn't just leave her somewhere that she was being hurt. Florence may not technically be able to make her own legal decisions (not sure if that's the case or not) but I don't think it's been said she has Alzheimer's or something else where she couldn't be trusted to tell you how she feels. She was more than alert with Martin. And, given her negative feelings toward Cyrus, if she doesn't want him to know where she is, that should be respected.

I disagree. Sometimes I think they handcuff the good characters too much where they have to stay law-abiding and let the villains run roughshod over them. Sometimes when you're fighting evil, you have to color outside the lines. I'm actually okay with them sometimes obliterating that line. Let's say Anna for some reason finally decided enough was enough with Jason's murdering and just took him out, I wouldn't shed a tear over it.

[Daisy]

30 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

It's not like Jackie just left Florence there alone. She went with Martin, her other son. It's quite clear Martin adores his mother and wouldn't just leave her somewhere that she was being hurt. Florence may not technically be able to make her own legal decisions (not sure if that's the case or not) but I don't think it's been said she has Alzheimer's or something else where she couldn't be trusted to tell you how she feels. She was more than alert with Martin. And, given her negative feelings toward Cyrus, if she doesn't want him to know where she is, that should be respected.

I disagree. Sometimes I think they handcuff the good characters too much where they have to stay law-abiding and let the villains run roughshod over them. Sometimes when you're fighting evil, you have to color outside the lines. I'm actually okay with them sometimes obliterating that line. Let's say Anna for some reason finally decided enough was enough with Jason's murdering and just took him out, I wouldn't shed a tear over it.

 

i'd bake her a cake

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Let's say Anna for some reason finally decided enough was enough with Jason's murdering and just took him out, I wouldn't shed a tear over it.

Neither would I. I'm not ashamed to say that I cheered when Jason was shot then shoved in the water and vanished from my soap life for 5 years.

Good times!

[GHScorpiosRule]

Chase looked and sounded more excited about the wedding than morose looking Finn did.

I think I’m getting really old because how was that hideous dress that Sam was wearing anything close to appropriate for a wedding? With her boobs nearly popping out? And the disingenuous “sorry!” after blurting out about the papers less than 24 hours after talking about them?

Why the hell did Anna give Heinrik the original documents? Why not show him copies? The stupid, it BURNS. 

Edited February 27, 2021 by GHScorpiosRule

[perkie1968]

10 hours ago, driver18 said:

Curtis was also the one who was there when Hayden left Finn on their wedding day, lied to him about losing their child, gave him the letter to meet her in Rome, etc.

Riiiiiight.  I remember now.  Thank you!!

[Pingaponga]

At this point, does Finn really need the actual DNA results? Given Jackie's pleas of how the results will hurt everyone, isn't she admitting he is Chase's father? If she knew Finn wasn't Chase's dad, why would she care about the DNA results? How stupid is Finn that he doesn't get this?

[YaddaYadda]

12 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

How stupid is Finn that he doesn't get this?

Finn chose not to question Jackie when she told him that the math didn't add up. 

Edited February 28, 2021 by YaddaYadda

[statsgirl]

Jackie is right that finding out that Finn is Chase's bio-dad could only hurt Chase, Gregory and Jackie herself. Chase and Gregory have a great growing up father/son bond, something that Finn is never going to have with Chase. If Finn finds out that Chase is his son biologically, then he needs to keep his mouth shut. He has Violet; he lost his chance with Chase.

[Ambrosefolly]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Jackie is right that finding out that Finn is Chase's bio-dad could only hurt Chase, Gregory and Jackie herself. Chase and Gregory have a great growing up father/son bond, something that Finn is never going to have with Chase. If Finn finds out that Chase is his son biologically, then he needs to keep his mouth shut. He has Violet; he lost his chance with Chase.

Sorry for playing devil's advocate, but why not ask Chase if he wants to know or not? I don't care about Jackie's, Finn's or even Gregory's discomfort in this. This is Chase's medical history, he has a right to decide if he wants to know. 

[statsgirl]

Asking Chase would be tantamount to telling him that Finn is his bio dad because if it's Gregory, why would they even ask? And if not, ewww to finding out that your mother slept with your older brother.

In terms of medical history, Finn or Jackie could always tell him later if it's an issue. Chase already knows that he has Gregory's and Jackie's DNA.

[Ambrosefolly]

14 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Asking Chase would be tantamount to telling him that Finn is his bio dad because if it's Gregory, why would they even ask? And if not, ewww to finding out that your mother slept with your older brother.

In terms of medical history, Finn or Jackie could always tell him later if it's an issue. Chase already knows that he has Gregory's and Jackie's DNA.

For me, so what? Chase has a right to his own history, no different than every other "Who's the daddy" story on this show. Jackie is the least important person in all of this to me. Personally, I would love them to subvert the troupe and find out that Gregory was indeed the father all along. 

[ulkis]

I don't think Jackie knows who the father is, just that there is a chance. It's just that she doesn't even think it's worth the risk if it is Finn.

Edited February 28, 2021 by ulkis

[driver18]

19 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So I'm not advocating murder or anything like that. But I think that Peter should be able to take care of himself rather than have Anna and Valentin ride to his rescue. 

It's not about Anna and Val riding to the rescue, it's the idea that Anna can't tell Maxie to warn her because if she does, Maxie will tell Spinelli... who will tell Jason and Jason will kill Peter. And Anna is not going to be an accessory to murder (especially to someone she considers her child). Since she knows that Jason will kill Peter that would make her one.  That is what the conversation re: Jason will kill Peter was about. That is why they have to wait to get the goods on him to bring to the authorities.

19 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Anna can't have it both ways -- either Jason is a trusted confidante that she can go to when she needs help or he's a totally out of control hit man who she can't trust.

I also missed why making the information public would automatically lead to Jason killing Peter.

Anna's fear of Jason killing Peter doesn't make sense, especially if her new purpose is to protect Maxie.

It's not that he's "a totally out of control hit man she can't trust." It's that she knows exactly what he'll do if he knows that she now believes that Peter is guilty of it all. He'll do exactly what he's made clear to her. Bold #1 - Jason has made it clear that once he has "proof," he's pretty much going to kill Peter. Bold #2 - murder is wrong. Anna doesn't want to be an accessory to murder (period) and especially to the murder of someone she does think of as her child, a child she abandoned.

18 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

You don't have to kill Peter to protect Maxie. If they have the right kind of information, they could hand him over to the WSB and let them deal with Peter. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happens. Peter wouldn't stay in custody for long, sadly, but the show isn't going to kill him off, either.

They don't have the right kind of information* to take to the WSB or any other authority. That's the issue. Anna wants to protect Maxie, but she knows that if she tells/warns Maxie about Peter, she will tell Spinelli. Spinelli will tell Jason. Jason will kill Peter. Murder is wrong. Anna/Valentine will have essentially played a part in Peter's murder. All of that information was in their scenes in this episode.

* Yes, it was ridiculously, beyond stupid that Anna didn't give Peter copies of the info she had and instead gave him the originals. But Valentin made the point to Anna that even if she had done that --they did discuss it-- Anna would have been in major trouble for withholding the evidence for so long. Likely that's the reason they did it. The reason given was that Anna still was holding on to hope that Peter had changed. Still... stupid.

14 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Riiiiiight.  I remember now.  Thank you!!

No problem.  Michael Easton is my favorite on the show, and I love all of his characters (yes, even Silas), so I remember all of his storylines, LOL!

Edited February 28, 2021 by driver18

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think Jackie knows who the father is, just that there is a chance. It's just that she doesn't even think it's worth the risk if it is Finn.

I wish Jackie had told Finn that she was sure Gregory was Chase's father. Handwave the math somehow. I don't see how letting everyone know that Finn is his father does anyone any good. They are all adults. Supposedly. (™Silas Clay forever) Gregory raised Chase. Chase and Finn finally have a decent relationship. Why risk all of that? Just because Finn's ego demands it? Ugh. 

I don't get what this story is going for. How does anyone besides Finn gain anything here? There's no drama. It affects only the family. It's not as if this changes any other stories.

[ffwbe]

22 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I wish Jackie had told Finn that she was sure Gregory was Chase's father. Handwave the math somehow. I don't see how letting everyone know that Finn is his father does anyone any good. They are all adults. Supposedly. (™Silas Clay forever) Gregory raised Chase. Chase and Finn finally have a decent relationship. Why risk all of that? Just because Finn's ego demands it? Ugh. 

I don't get what this story is going for. How does anyone besides Finn gain anything here? There's no drama. It affects only the family. It's not as if this changes any other stories.

That last part is why I don’t get the SL. We barely know Gregory and Jackie so I doubt most people care about the fallout to them. Chase is an adult, already has a relationship with Finn, and honestly I can’t see him having any big angst over this. His character is a puppy dog.
 

I think the only way this could be interesting is if Chase brought up that Finn kept him at arm’s length for most of his life because of his affair with Jackie since when he came to town, he was begging to spend time with Finn who very clearly wanted nothing to do with him. However, they lean too heavily into what an amazing guy Finn is so I don’t see them acknowledging that and even if they do, this is still a very isolated story that really affects Finn/Chase. It won’t even cause relationship drama with Finn and Anna since it all happened decades before he met her and Finn and Jackie don’t appear to have any lingering feelings for each other. 

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

That last part is why I don’t get the SL. We barely know Gregory and Jackie so I doubt most people care about the fallout to them. Chase is an adult, already has a relationship with Finn, and honestly I can’t see him having any big angst over this. His character is a puppy dog.
 

I think the only way this could be interesting is if Chase brought up that Finn kept him at arm’s length for most of his life because of his affair with Jackie since when he came to town, he was begging to spend time with Finn who very clearly wanted nothing to do with him. However, they lean too heavily into what an amazing guy Finn is so I don’t see them acknowledging that and even if they do, this is still a very isolated story that really affects Finn/Chase. It won’t even cause relationship drama with Finn and Anna since it all happened decades before he met her and Finn and Jackie don’t appear to have any lingering feelings for each other. 

This storyline is like "we're bored, let's do something interesting." and they came up with this... but it's not

 

4 hours ago, driver18 said:

she knows that if she tells/warns Maxie about Peter, she will tell Spinelli. Spinelli will tell Jason. Jason will kill Peter. Murder is wrong. Anna/Valentine will have essentially played a part in Peter's murder. All of that information was in their scenes in this episode.

Honestly. this is why i would tell maxie. 
set Jason up. 

both rot in jail 

[driver18]

Just now, Daisy said:

Honestly. this is why i would tell maxie. 

set Jason up. 

both rot in jail 

As if.... Jason would skate.

[dubbel zout]

32 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

It won’t even cause relationship drama with Finn and Anna since it all happened decades before he met her

Anna already knows that Finn thinks Chase might be his son. He told her a while ago, and she said she'd support whatever he decided to do about it.

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, ffwbe said:

I think the only way this could be interesting is if Chase brought up that Finn kept him at arm’s length for most of his life because of his affair with Jackie since when he came to town, he was begging to spend time with Finn who very clearly wanted nothing to do with him. 

I do think they will probably bring that up.

17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Jackie is right that finding out that Finn is Chase's bio-dad could only hurt Chase, Gregory and Jackie herself. Chase and Gregory have a great growing up father/son bond, something that Finn is never going to have with Chase. If Finn finds out that Chase is his son biologically, then he needs to keep his mouth shut. He has Violet; he lost his chance with Chase.

Ideally yes that would be the most selfless thing to do but I get why Finn would want to know even if he doesn't say anything. I think they did a decent job of giving everyone an understandable motive.

[driver18]

I'm coming from a different mindset than everyone else regarding this Finn/Chase 'Who's the daddy?' storyline. I'm not looking at it from a -- 'God, where's the story? Ugh!' but rather from Finn's perspective and then the fallout from Chase's perspective. In which I do see the story, tons of it in fact.

I see so many comments asking why Finn should bother, and why now, and thinking it's not the bestest of directions to go. And I really don't agree with that train of thought personally. I think it's not fair to the writers honestly. I think him doing this, doing it now, wanting to do it, pushing forward with it all make perfect sense from an organic, character-motivated point of view.

Prior to Jackie coming back into his life, the question about Chase wasn't front and center, and so that little niggle of a question was just buried deep in his subconscious, something that he hadn't thought about in 30 years because he didn't want to think about it. He didn't want to think about Jackie, or how, because of his own stupidity and guilt, it had cost him so much time with his relationship with his father, and his brother.

But now Jackie is back and he's thinking, remembering that possibility of the child she was carrying being his that she had hand-waved away--and he had accepted then--BECAUSE he is now a father. He wasn't a father 30 years ago. He was a young man, still in med school, who was suffering from a broken heart, guilt over what he had done to his dad, grieving over his mother, so not ready to be a father, and very, very willing for a potential kid to not be his because everything would come out in the open about him and Jackie and could completely destroy his father and their relationship.

When Chase first came to town, the idea of Chase being his son didn't occur to him because, again, it was so long ago, he didn't want to think of Jackie, had buried the subconscious thought of it and Violet hadn't come into his life yet.

Jackie showing up AFTER he knew Chase, AFTER he had Violet and discovered the joys of fatherhood... suddenly, yeah, it matters now. Suddenly, the idea that this wonderful man--that he loves--could be his child, Violet's brother, well, that really, really matters. Because if Chase has a child, then that means that child would be Finn's grandchild. He's seen Anna with Robin, he knows the difference in how a parent and a grandparent is. He could possibly have it (and a lot sooner rather than later). So... it matters.

The timing of it all makes sense when you look at the history of Finn's character, when you look at the timing of how everything played out, and how it's been explained. Organically, character-motivation-wise, this all makes sense. And it's been beautifully presented to us. It's been well-written.

As for there being no story? I disagree with that as well. No, we don't know Jackie or Gregory, but we know Finn, and we know Chase.... and we know Anna, and Willow, and Michael and Brooklyn and Sasha. And there is a very real possibility that every single one of those characters (obviously the first three) are going to be very much involved in this story.

Chase is going to be devastated. His entire world is going to be rocked. And it's gonna be really great to finally have Chase have a story that doesn't revolve around a few "cop" scenes--since those are fairly one-note and Jason solves all the crimes and/or commits them so they don't get solved anyway--or Willow/Michael.

Finn is going to be dealing with the fact that Anna lied to him about Peter not being her son and keeping that he wasn't redeemed from him (I'm assuming she won't tell him that either), while he was honest with her about everything. Does he rely on her for support about Chase after that... or does the fact that she left Violet vulnerable to Peter make him walk away again leaving him to turn to Alexis? Or maybe back to Jackie? Or perhaps something does happen to Franco and Finn and Elizabeth turn to each other? Who knows?

Going back to Chase's devastation... will Willow run back to his side and be with him in his darkest hour? Because of that does Michael turn to Sasha, ending him and Willow for good (for a while at least)? Or does Brooklyn come back and pick up the pieces? Ah, but she's got baby Valentine... will he get in the way?

No story! I don't think so! Anyhoo, that's where I'm coming from on this whole 'Is Finn Chase's daddy?' story. All of this has been set-up and I do think it's coming in some variation of the above. Just my two cents (dollars).

[ulkis]

10 minutes ago, driver18 said:

When Chase first came to town, the idea of Chase being his son didn't occur to him because, again

Oh, I think it definitely did, which is why he didn't want to have anything to do with him at first. I think he was nervous to be around him and accidentally say or do anything about what happened. Chase himself said there must have been another reason for Finn keeping him at arm's length than his dad remarrying quickly. But I think without Jackie or his dad around it was a lot easier to just let things be.

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[driver18]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

Oh, I think it definitely did, which is why he didn't want to have anything to do with him at first. I think he was nervous to be around him. Chase himself said there must have been another reason for Finn keeping him at arm's length than his dad remarrying quickly. But I think without Jackie or his dad around it was a lot easier to just let things be.

I think he didn't allow himself to think about it and if the idea ever came close to floating near his conscious, he pushed it back down. That's why he was nervous, pushed Chase away.  And eventually, he'd buried it enough that he was able to let Chase in. 

[ulkis]

Either explanation he knew the possibility was there though. And I don't think that necessarily makes him horrible because as people have said it's not necessarily the best thing to have said anything.

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Regardless of what Finn decides to do, Chase has started asking questions after Gregory told him that he and Jackie spent the 24 hours leading up to their marriage apart and the other stuff which I have already forgotten about.

[statsgirl]

I can understand why Finn might want to find out if he really is Chase's father. But I can't see any reason to tell Chase if he is, not at this point. He can never create for himself the relationship Chase has with Gregory and Jackie as his parents and he stands to destroy the relationship he himself has with Chase as well as devastating all three of Chase, Gregory and Jackie. It's possible that it could work out in a few years when Chase's relationship with Finn has solidified and grown but I don't see any good coming out of telling Chase now.

If it's a question of medical information, there is time for Finn to tell Chase if it's needed or he can leave a note with his legal affairs.

On 2/27/2021 at 4:33 PM, FilmTVGeek80 said:

It's not like Jackie just left Florence there alone. She went with Martin, her other son. It's quite clear Martin adores his mother and wouldn't just leave her somewhere that she was being hurt. Florence may not technically be able to make her own legal decisions (not sure if that's the case or not) but I don't think it's been said she has Alzheimer's or something else where she couldn't be trusted to tell you how she feels. She was more than alert with Martin. And, given her negative feelings toward Cyrus, if she doesn't want him to know where she is, that should be respected.

In the car, Jackie said that she didn't want to tell the cops because that would put Florence into the middle of a shootout, implying that Jason is so dangerous, Florence could get hurt. And no matter how much Bobbie reads to her, she's still kidnapped and being held hostage by a dangerous man.  All illegally.

Yes, Cyrus is a bad man. But it's possible to be a crook and still love your parent. Just look at Sonny and Mike.

My first placement was in the geriatric wing of the local psychiatric hospital and those people were more compos mentis than Florence is. Florence may not want to see Cyrus but he still has a right to know where she is*, especially since Martin seems so weak as to fold at a strong word from Jason. Jackie has no business being the gatekeeper there.

* the exception would be if Martin holds power of attorney but I can't see Cyrus being willing to pay for Florence's care and not get a guarantee that he can see her.

[driver18]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I can understand why Finn might want to find out if he really is Chase's father. But I can't see any reason to tell Chase if he is, not at this point. He can never create for himself the relationship Chase has with Gregory and Jackie as his parents and he stands to destroy the relationship he himself has with Chase as well as devastating all three of Chase, Gregory and Jackie. It's possible that it could work out in a few years when Chase's relationship with Finn has solidified and grown but I don't see any good coming out of telling Chase now.

It's one of the things I mentioned. If Chase were to have a child, that child would be Finn's grandchild. He's seen the kind of relationship Anna has with Robin and knows it's different than what a father/child, uncle/nephew or niece would have. He could have grandkids from Violet but he'd be a lot older and activities would be a lot different. So, yeah, it does matter.

[tessaray]

I think everyone has a right to know their own biological history if they want to. (Not everyone can for various reasons, but in a perfect world...) And the only way Chase can make that decision is to know that there is a question of WTD. 

As a grandmother myself, my mind went to the fact that Chase now thinks Finn's mother is nothing to him, just his dad's first wife. So if Finn is the father, his ancestry gets reshuffled.  It would be more meaningful if she were alive but still, it matters - because honesty and truth matter. Even if it is inconvenient. 

And seriously, would anyone want to get that news years down the road via 23andme?   

[dubbel zout]

8 hours ago, tessaray said:

Chase now thinks Finn's mother is nothing to him, just his dad's first wife. So if Finn is the father, his ancestry gets reshuffled. 

I don't understand: How does Finn being Chase's father change his relationship with Finn's mother?

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20 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't understand: How does Finn being Chase's father change his relationship with Finn's mother?

She's dead, so I don't think it would matter, but she would be his grandmother instead of a stranger who died before he was born.