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Sonny said that Olivia didn't like his "affiliations" but he skated over the fact that it's downright dangerous to be around him (see Michael shot in the head and now burned; Kristina kidnapped). Of course he never would admit it on this show but he should have said that she had a point in protecting Dante from his lifestyle.

19 minutes ago, JMO said:

BL blamed her mother and grandmother for keeping her son from her several times today, accusing them of depriving her of a relationship with Gio.  Which she will eventually have to reconcile with the fact that she had no plan to even think about looking for her unknown child until very recently. 

Brook Lynn said that she wanted to know her child but she was leaving it up to the child to look for her because she didn't want to disrupt his/her life if the child didn't want to know her..

Gloria and Lois found a way to have a relationship with Gio themselves while keeping Brook Lynn from having a maternal with him.j Without Lulu, Brook Lynn might never have known that he was her son and have the opportunity to build that. It's a rotten thing to do to a scared 15 year old, keeping her from her child while still keeping yours with him.

As Brook Lynn said, she was an adult when Camilla died, Lois could have told her then if not Gio.

What makes it even worse is that Lois found out that Brook Lynn could not have a child with Chase and she still kept the secret that Gio is Brook Lynn's bio-child, depriving her of the opportunity to have a maternal relationship with the only child she may have carried..

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24 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

So Lucky wants to be honest with Elizabeth, but isn't she now also kinda sorta an accessory after the fact, too, if she doesn't go the police? Thanks for the honesty, Lucky.

But why quibble? PC is Bizarro World when it comes to the law, so no worries, Liz!

It’s no secret I’m a JJ Lucky fan/sometimes apologist. But Elizabeth also has her secrets. Like how she and Finn kept the “body” of Heinrich when they thought he was dead from the cops. So I’m not gonna say Lucky is the worst or that he’s put Elizabeth in a precarious position.

And OF COURSE Lois will be forgiven* after a couple of days because that’s how Frank rolls.

*Haven’t watched yet. My comments are based on what I’ve read here so far.

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Having HotMichael spend all of the ep talking to Kristina, despite her sounding unexpectedly rational, was meh.

Lucky finally telling Liz the truth, but the writers having her go “it’s great that I almost died because you’re here”, was gross.

It’s nice to see NLG and GF have scenes together, but then I remember why Alexis is in this dumb mess of her making and 🤬🤬

And yes, grandpa Sonny the mobster, telling his grandson to control his emotions. Ha!

And I can’t with Gloria and Lois gaslighting Brooklyn. What they did was against her wishes (she wanted a blind adoption) and selfish to boot (they got to see the kid grow up knowing he was loved and fine, and she didn’t).

I’ve loved the drama of the last two weeks but maybe I’ve just had my fill of angsty (and sometimes stupid) conversations.

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5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Brook Lynn said that she wanted to know her child but she was leaving it up to the child to look for her because she didn't want to disrupt his/her life if the child didn't want to know her..

This is dependent on whether the child knows they are adopted. Without having that information, the child wouldn't know to go looking for his biological mother. Some fault lies with Camilla for not telling Gio he's adopted. If Gloria and Lois had told Brook Lyn that Gio was her child, what would she have done with that information? While Camilla was alive, would BL be able to keep some distance and accept that Gio was someone else's son? After she died, would Gio want to know that he was adopted and BL was his mom? Wouldn't that be just as traumatic?

I missed part of the ep due to Breaking News, so I don't know how Lucky persuaded Liz that not reporting Kristina for attempted murder is a good thing. It must have been a great argument because she seemed to ok with it when the break was over.

So Alexis is now going to lie to Laura about Ace's estate? Why didn't Laura ask about getting statements from the new "investment"? My 401K investments send at least quarterly statement showing profit and loss figures. This isn't a 401K, but that's even more reason to keep an eye on it. How long will Alexis figure that doing these shady things is worth it to keep Kristina out of jail or hospitalization? Why should Kristina get away with things that no one else can*?

* Who am I kidding - lots of people get away with stuff in PC, starting with her dad.  Still --- you'd think that as a lawyer, Alexis would have better scruples.

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9 minutes ago, Desperado said:

 

Lucky finally telling Liz the truth, but the writers having her go “it’s great that I almost died because you’re here”, was gross.

 

I know she helped hide a body and treated a woman being held captive, so not without sins of her own, but I really wish her first reaction had been to tell him to GTFO, even if she ended up calming down later. 

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If Dante equates him yelling at Gio with Sonny ATTEMPTING TO MURDER HIM because they didn't know they were their sons tomorrow, I might punch myself.

Shut up Gloria! Go play some homemade bingo and give Brook Lynn a week to process.

I'll do the same for Gio but him contemplating holding a grudge against Dante because he was hystrionic about his other son almost dying is such lame angst/petty.

Not that I want LL2 to break up but if Liz doesn't even get to bitch at Kristina and tell her she is on probation with her (Liz), I will be mad lol.

 

4 minutes ago, rur said:

I know she helped hide a body and treated a woman being held captive, so not without sins of her own, but I really wish her first reaction had been to tell him to GTFO, even if she ended up calming down later. 

A wack on his crotch with her crutch!

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10 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

This is dependent on whether the child knows they are adopted. Without having that information, the child wouldn't know to go looking for his biological mother. Some fault lies with Camilla for not telling Gio he's adopted.

Thousands of years ago when I was a teen babysitter, in a time before BL got pregnant, one of my first charges was an adopted baby girl. Her parents had a baby book/scrapbook about her adoption. Camilla definitely could have told Gio he was adopted. 

Or, Gloria and Lois could have honored BL's wishes. 

Also, on a shallow note, that long hair is doing Rena no favors, even if it's supposed to show how distraught she is. 

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7 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

I don't know how Lucky persuaded Liz that not reporting Kristina for attempted murder is a good thing. It must have been a great argument because she seemed to ok with it when the break was over.

It was light emotional blackmail, in that he said he didn't turn in Kristina because every time he looks at Lulu he sees the sacrifices the Davis family made, and he didn't want to wreck their lives. Gross, especially because Kristina's lack of impulse control is what put a lot of the trouble in motion in the first place.

Lucky sucks on a lot of levels right now.

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Maybe I should just accept the idea that BL explicitly expressed a desire for a closed adoption over an open one, because that's what we're being told.  But then I remember that there was no agency involved, no social worker, no one to explain the different options nor the processes.  Maybe Lois started out that way before settling on Camilla, or maybe Lois never looked into anything either.  Which leaves me thinking that what BL told her mother was that she just wanted the child to go to a good home, and she didn't want to know anything more about it. 

That's my head canon, which is why I react as I do to what I'm seeing on screen.  I would probably receive some of these conversations differently if I believed BL had made an informed decision back in the day.

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2 minutes ago, JMO said:

 

Maybe I should just accept the idea that BL explicitly expressed a desire for a closed adoption over an open one,

 

There’s no maybe about it. Brook Lynn had told Lois she wanted a closed adoption. Lois ignored her wishes. And lied about the agency and everything involved. When she told Lois she and Chase wanted to use the same agency to try and adopt, Lois lied AGAIN, that it was destroyed in a fire or some such. Because there was no such agency.

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2 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

There’s no maybe about it. Brook Lynn had told Lois she wanted a closed adoption. Lois ignored her wishes. And lied about the agency and everything involved. When she told Lois she and Chase wanted to use the same agency to try and adopt, Lois lied AGAIN, that it was destroyed in a fire or some such. Because there was no such agency.

I agree we're being told that she said that.  I just think there's no way a 16 year old independently came up with that term, nor knew what it might mean, without guidance from a professional, and she had no such guidance.

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Just now, JMO said:

I agree we're being told that she said that.  I just think there's no way a 16 year old independently came up with that term, nor knew what it might mean, without guidance from a professional, and she had no such guidance.

I disagree. With this retcon, she was pregnant in 2003, not 1963. I’m sure she would have learned about Lucas. Or probably looked into it on the internet while she was pregnant.

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26 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It was light emotional blackmail, in that he said he didn't turn in Kristina because every time he looks at Lulu he sees the sacrifices the Davis family made, and he didn't want to wreck their lives. Gross, especially because Kristina's lack of impulse control is what put a lot of the trouble in motion in the first place

So it’s OK for a woman with mental instability and violent tendencies to try to murder or at the very least grievously harm another person, with no consequences or fallout, because her family’s had a bad year? 🤬🤮🤯 Sadly, that tracks with the bizarro logic of Port Charles.

(Also, many thanks for the recap dubbel zout, because I lost that part of the show to breaking news as well)

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Lucky told Liz that he would be in trouble as an accessory after the fact, which is when Liz totally backed down about telling the cops. It seems to be how everyone on this show approaches justice ~it's okay when there are absolutely no consequences to you or your loved ones. 

Lois: I don't regret what I did, but I regret you being so irate and giving me such a hard time about it! AKA "Sorry, not sorry!" 

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1 hour ago, Desperado said:

Lucky finally telling Liz the truth, but the writers having her go “it’s great that I almost died because you’re here”, was gross.

🤮 Disgusting. This makes Liz look very stupid, and she’s never been that. Based on other comments, I know she’s not going to the police, but for her not to be really, really, REALLY angry with Lucky for him covering up for the person who almost killed her (the woman who happens to be HIS SON’S MOTHER) and handwave it away is just god-awful. 

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Holy hell Gloria has a pair on her! I really wanted BLQ to tell them both to get the fuck out of that house and not come back. When Gloria asked if BLQ wanted them to give her baby to strangers, I wanted her to scream ‘YES! That’s exactly what I wanted you to do! That’s what I asked my mother to do!’ And that BS about the only way to make sure he was happy and safe was to give him to her cousin?  OMG I wanted to reach through my TV and smack her across the face! Can those two please just leave and never come back? 

nice scenes with Gio and Sonny and Lante and Rocco. 

Alexis, you in danger girl lol!

Surprised Lucky came clean to Liz, and now she finds a box that she presumes is an engagement ring. I want them to be together, I do, I still think the actors are great together. But I’m not sure I want them together now that they’re both covering for Kristina. Because while it would kill Alexis to have her daughter behind bars, it’s the right thing to do and will benefit the rest of the town because it’s one less psycho running around. 

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Re: Kristina saying "Willow was just like this with Shiloh" --

Hold on there little Miss Revisionist History! By the time you knew both Willow and Shiloh, YOU were the one under Shiloh's spell, the one who thought he could do no wrong at the expense of all of your other relationships with family and friends. WILLOW was the one who'd finally realized Shiloh was bad news, hence moving to a new town (PC) and giving her and Shiloh's baby up for adoption to keep said baby safe from Shiloh. YOU were the one who needed to hear WILLOW's terrible experiences with Shiloh to finally be deprogrammed from Shiloh's influence*. So let's just add another STFU to your ever-growing collection of STFUs, shall we Kristina?

* back when you were played by a much better and more likeable actress.

(I am expending way too much time and mental energy on this show 😖)

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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

When Gloria asked if BLQ wanted them to give her baby to strangers, I wanted her to scream ‘YES! That’s exactly what I wanted you to do! That’s what I asked my mother to do!’

right?  Like, yes, yes, THAT'S adoption.  Gloria and Lois acting like they deserve medals because BL wanted to leave the baby in the woods and hope someone stumbled upon him.  

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3 hours ago, JMO said:

I hope Elizabeth asks to keep her cast and hits Lucky over the head with it.  

This genuinely made me LOL and I needed that, so thank you! I agree.

3 hours ago, Desperado said:

Lucky finally telling Liz the truth, but the writers having her go “it’s great that I almost died because you’re here”, was gross.

It really was.

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It was light emotional blackmail, in that he said he didn't turn in Kristina because every time he looks at Lulu he sees the sacrifices the Davis family made, and he didn't want to wreck their lives. Gross, especially because Kristina's lack of impulse control is what put a lot of the trouble in motion in the first place.

Lucky sucks on a lot of levels right now.

Exactly this. I wanted to see L&L2 together again growing in a healthy friendship/co-parenting relationship that builds up to romance, but this storyline has ruined it for me. There's nothing sweet or romantic about what's been going on with them since the Ric/Elizabeth crash happened. It also seems like they're getting the Sam-Dante and family off-screen treatment.  I assume Aiden will eventually find out that Dad covered for Kristina and pressured/emotionally blackmailed Mom not to turn her in, and then what? Maybe Aiden feels Dad can't be trusted, and doesn't want him there, creating an exit storyline for JJ.

It's a waste of JJ and BHerbst's talents and chemistry. 

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3 hours ago, KittyQ said:

While Camilla was alive, would BL be able to keep some distance and accept that Gio was someone else's

I think Brook Lynn's point now, is that once Camilla died, BLQ was an adult (26) and should have been told so that she could then have a relationship with him.  It was cruel to continue the lie at that point.  

At the very least, eveyrone should have been told the minute Gio moved to PC and moved into the Q mansion.  

Any way you look at it, Gloria and Lois are in the wrong and the fact they don't see that just makes it more gross.  

 

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7 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

After Liz bops Lucky over the head, maybe she could trek it over to the Qs to bop Lois and Gloria too.

And then over to wherever Kristina's sorry ass is and smack her over the head.  And then over to Willow's to smack both her and Drew and then over to Lulu's......and Sonny's.......and Alexis......!!!

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3 hours ago, JMO said:

I agree we're being told that she said that.  I just think there's no way a 16 year old independently came up with that term, nor knew what it might mean, without guidance from a professional, and she had no such guidance.

She wouldn't have to know the term when she was 16. Lois could ask "Do you want to know who adopts the baby?", Brook Lynn replies "No, I just want to know that he or she goes to a good home", Lois replies "I'll tell the agency"  and it's done.

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Alexis should go to jail for her embezzling now that she's caught and lying to Laura's face about stealing from a baby.  Now Sidwell son figured her out too. 

So Dante walks right into Lulu's house after treating her so badly, but Laura at least knocks. 

Gio should be going to Lulu, for the answers not Sonny or the Q house.  But good for Gio turning him down, plus dropping the "uncle" when he left. 

Someone should have told Rocco before social media video. 

Lois and her mother have no business lecturing Brooklyn about respect. Lois and her mother doesn't understand she didn't respect the wishes.  

Gloria thinks Lois should be thanked?  Get these people out of this house. 

Good for Brooklyn for calling out her mother and Gloria worse than Quartermaines. 

Go Michael go take those kids. He and Kristina have good siblings chemistry. 

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Lois and her mother have no business lecturing Brooklyn about respect. Lois and her mother doesn't understand she didn't respect the wishes.  

Gloria thinks Lois should be thanked?  Get these people out of this house. 

Good for Brooklyn for calling out her mother and Gloria worse than Quartermaines. 

Yes - I hope Brook Lynn, Ned and Tracy kick them out, back to Bensonhurst. Gloria's whole tone was IMO "your mother cleaned up your mess, so be grateful." It sounds like Gloria was embarrassed and ashamed on her own behalf and Lois's that Brook Lynn came home from camp pregnant, so she saw Camilla's desire for a baby as "a blessing" to "fix the problem." Is Gloria still mentally living in 1940s-60s America? 

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Well, Kristina has certainly learned her lesson about vengeance, hasn't she?  There she is, right after having a conversation with Alexis and Lucky about the extremes she went to to get back at Ava, and what is she advising Michael? To take a step back from his immediate emotions and not act in anger?  Ha ha, no! Of course not! She's advising him to do whatever he can to keep the kids away from their mother. And Michael, who didn't want to put his kids through the custody hell he and his siblings went through, is all in on putting his kids through custody hell, because he's pissed off that Willow dared to cheat on him, and Drew dared to, to borrow his father's favorite word, betray him. 

It's easy to see where Lois gets her nerve, isn't it?  Gloria can fuck right off. And, no, sorry, Gloria, you don't get to just be presumed right just because you're old. You were wrong. Lois was wrong. And you're wrong to talk to your granddaughter like that now. She has every right to be pissed off. 

FFS, Lulu, let it go. She didn't know. You saw her reaction when you said she had a son. She was stunned and emotional. She clearly never even knew if the baby was a boy or girl, let alone that the baby was Gio. 

I'm not surprised that Liz is accepting what Lucky is telling her. She's pulled some of her own shit in the past. Sure, she hasn't done the exact same shit as Kristina did, but she knows what it's like to do something wrong and get some mercy for it or to have someone cover for her. Everyone agreeing to look the other way isn't what's best for Kristina, of course, because she needs some very intensive therapy, but I get why Liz is willing to just put it in the past. 

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11 hours ago, Maelstrom said:

Re: Kristina saying "Willow was just like this with Shiloh" --

Hold on there little Miss Revisionist History! By the time you knew both Willow and Shiloh, YOU were the one under Shiloh's spell, the one who thought he could do no wrong at the expense of all of your other relationships with family and friends. WILLOW was the one who'd finally realized Shiloh was bad news, hence moving to a new town (PC) and giving her and Shiloh's baby up for adoption to keep said baby safe from Shiloh. YOU were the one who needed to hear WILLOW's terrible experiences with Shiloh to finally be deprogrammed from Shiloh's influence*. So let's just add another STFU to your ever-growing collection of STFUs, shall we Kristina?

As you can imagine, Kristina's comments today just adds fuel to my Drew-is-really-Shiloh fire. 

(I had a hard time with the quote tweet stuff today, so this reply might look weird. The bolded bit is what I'm responding to.)

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10 hours ago, Sake614 said:

And yet all over Twitter, people are saying BLQ is wrong. I don’t get it. 

Let's see how wrong BLQ is after today's episode. Because the preview sure made it sound like Camilla wanted to tell Gio the truth when she was on her deathbed, but Lois and Gloria wouldn't let her.

The bottom line is that Lois and Gloria respected none of BLQ's wishes. They broke her trust.

The end.

Kristina's memory with Willow and Shiloh sure is faulty. Back in the day (if feels like 100 years ago), we were talking about how Willow managed to break away from Dawn of Days and build a new life on her own. This is like the whole I never knew how ruthless Michael is. No, you knew. It just wasn't directed at you. 

Alexis is such a moron. And it just really seems like she lost her sounding board when Sam died.

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10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I just think there's no way a 16 year old independently came up with that term,

I don't understand why BLQ wouldn't know what a closed adoption is.   This happened in 2003 not 1953.  I just randomly asked my 17 year old if she knew what closed adoption meant.  She rolled her eyes and said "an adoption that's closed....duh".  LOL!!  

7 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Is Gloria still mentally living in 1940s-60s America? 

Yes.  Like I say Gloria/Lois are acting like Brook Lynn got pregnant in 1952 instead of the 21st century.  

 

1 hour ago, ljr said:

Will this be the week the custody battles end?

Nope

 

1 hour ago, ljr said:

How many days in gh land passed between the nurses ball and the gio secret?

None.  The Nurse's Ball was "last night" 

 

1 hour ago, ljr said:

Is joss still part of the wsb ?

Yes, and it's riveting.  

 

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I've been team LL2 through worse than this but with that said, covering for bitch ass *Kristina is not scoring any points with me from Lucky, I'm still glad he told her finally but geez dude. The love of your life & mother of your children almost died....like who gives a fuck about Kristina's crazy ass fee fees? She has 2 high powered attorneys, and a murder mob boss for family members. Between the three of them they would've unfortunately gotten her out of her mess somehow. There was no reason to involve Lucky. Liz should definitely put Lucky out on the couch for a few days.

I'm also #teamLizwhackLuckywiththecast 😤

*KM really has a way of making the characters she plays extra insufferable doesn't she? I'm still not over her take of Abigail(who was already a hateable trainwreck) on DOOL. Her version of Abby was more deserving of getting stabbed to death just sayin.....

Lois & Gloria really pmo, they are definitely gonna guilt trip the fuck out of BL and likely Gio too. They'll keep at it until they both cave & forgive their asses. 

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

FFS, Lulu, let it go. She didn't know. You saw her reaction when you said she had a son. She was stunned and emotional. She clearly never even knew if the baby was a boy or girl, let alone that the baby was Gio. 

Whatever slack I was trying to cut Lulu for not wanting to lie, she loses it everytime she acts like BL knew more than she did. Her over-assuming like this is exactly why so many people are pissed at her. For all her invasive, nosy snooping she sure doesn't have her facts as straight as she should. 

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14 minutes ago, Skarzero said:

Lois & Gloria really pmo, they are definitely gonna guilt trip the fuck out of BL and likely Gio too. They'll keep at it until they both cave & forgive their asses. 

Gloria: "Gio, you had a good life, right?  No complaints, right?  So what's the problem?  Now, who wants to play bingo?" - waiting for something like this bullshit.

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12 hours ago, ciarra said:

I think some key points were missing from Sonny's Dante's mother lied and kept me from my son story.  And Gio, mob blood money still paid for your lessons, regardless of your parentage.  

Wasn't that the biggest pile of bullshit other than every word that came out of Gloria's mouth?

Sonny, saying that Olivia was worried about some of his "affiliations" made it sound like maybe he was a Shriner and she hated the silly hats or maybe she didn't like that he was in the Knights of Columbus and didn't want to attend one of their pancake breakfasts.

Bensonhurst and its inhabitants aren't looking too good through a GH eye.

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Re: Kristina talking about Willow being just like that with Shiloh. I didn't get that she was remembering how Willow acted with him as she saw them, but rather what she knew of how Willow acted with him.

Willow went into pretty deep detail telling RealKristina everything that happened when she was with Dawn of Day, including how she was with Shiloh. At least that's what I remember from those scenes. That's how Willow was able to get through to RealKristina.

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oh, i started watching some of the court clips, holy. moses. Ric is basically Scotty. He's throwing EVERYTHING at the wall but he's not hitting the target. 

You bring up the device that burnt MIchael, don't use it as ooh he's dangerous - bring up the fact the children could have been there. I'd just use pre-emptive strikes right here. Michael doesn't want the kids near Drew. fine. fair. bring up the fact that the children are in equal danger being around Michael and his family. (if you are going to BRING UP Claudia again bring up the fact that Claudia kidnapped Carly because Sonny threatened to kill her) - thus MIchael and his family is a constant/present danger to the children. 

Story, end of. why is that so difficult

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I guess the good episodes are done, as is May sweeps, and the absurdity returns.

  • Jason: Gio is right to want nothing to do with the Quartermaines. (Whoah there Jason, they are not the ones who lied to him his whole life.)
  • Carly is the one testifying how upset the kids were to go with Willow. Bias much?
  • Once again, the lawyer opposite the Corinthii doesn't bring up the really damning points like how dangerous it is to be around Sonny, or how Carly got court orders taking the children away without Willow knowing about them.
  • Joss shows up for a meeting with her boss dressed in beachwear that screams"Sexually molest me". Meanwhile Dalton tells Jenz how awesome she is to pass his test.
  • Joss looks surprised when Dalton describes what his research is. What kind of an RA is she that she doesn't know what he's working on?
  • Trina defends Joss that she got the job fair and square because she is so awesome.
  • Makeup forgets to put any surgery scars on Kai.
  • Lois attacks Brook Lynn for not wanting to keep Gio when she was a kid.
  • Lois to Sonny "Gio's go no one looking out for him."  (Except Emma, Tracy, Ned, Olivia, Brook Lynn...)

Best part of the episode:  Brook Lynn kicking Lois and Gloria out.

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Kristina really is too stupid to live. What put me over the edge was her today in Alexis's office: She learns from someone she's never met before that Diane wants to know why she's not in court. Her initial response, "I'll tell her I was triggered . . . " was okay. But then, this child with two lawyers and a mob boss in her family doesn't shut up. She basically said, "Do you think she'll believe that?" So, now, she's acknowledged in front of a witness that she's lying. And if Alexis doesn't correct her, then she's implicated in the lie, too. Can somebody just drop a crane on her? It'd solve half the problems in Port Charles. And if she had a multi-million dollar life insurance policy, that would solve most of the other ones.

Rant over

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Color me shocked that Jason is wearing a suit and tie and not whining about it. He really is a different man. (I will whine about the width of his tie, though. It looks ridiculous.)

LOL at Tracy's dig about ketamine to Drew.There was a weird echo in the courtroom scenes, which were all so stupid. The judge should sanction Diane and Ric for wasting her time, and tell Michael and Willow to suck it up and share custody.

Kai has no shoulder scar, of course.

Wow, Lois and Gloria just keep shoveling the shitty justifications. They refuse to admit they were wrong. Ugh. Thank Jasus BL finally threw them out of the Q mansion.

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Joss shows up for a meeting with her boss dressed in beachwear that screams"Sexually molest me".

What? No.

Gio, stop with the "no one wanted me" crap. I get you're resentful. That's valid. But you're old enough to understand the position BL was in. How about listening to her with something of an open mind?

I loved how Alexis shut down Kristina's whining with "when you've tried to kill someone and hurt two other people, you don't get to complain about how I cover it up for you." Kristina is such a dunderhead.

 

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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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