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21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Doesn't polonium take longer to take effect than a few minutes?  That's one of the reasons it's such an effective poison.

Carly was unconscious for less than half an episode. Even knowing she wouldn't die, there's no drama in that. Food poisoning would have been longer lasting. Carly as a weak little kitten in a hospital bed does not track for me.

For someone who claims custody battles never end well, Sonny sure keeps bringing them. The only reason he settled with Ava this time is because of his dumb heart problem that has gone nowhere.

Show, the nickname "Congressman Cutthroat" is not the terrible slur you think it is.

I hate that they're writing Ava as a dizzy dame with finances. For someone who's supposed to be a sharp businesswoman, she should have a much better handle on her spending.

 

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20 hours ago, Daisy said:

Robin? ROBIN SAVED HER?

I feel utterly betrayed now.
But if it causes Carly's head to explode and she dies anyway I'll take it. 

I'm all for this happening since her voice killed Aunt Pat (Spencer) and thus made Bobbie sad. It makes total sense Bobbie and Luke's elder sister preferred death over meeting her niece.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Doesn't polonium take longer to take effect than a few minutes?  That's one of the reasons it's such an effective poison.

 

This bothered me so much that I looked it up during the show. According to the Mayo Clinic, "Initial symptoms If you've had a mild exposure, it may take hours to weeks before symptoms begin. But with high exposure, symptoms can begin minutes to days after exposure. Possible symptoms include: Nausea and vomiting."

Feel free to draw your own conclusions about the ability of the writers to check Dr. Google before creating plots involving medical issues. (See Willow's cancer treatments)

 

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6 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I want Gio to find out he's BrookLyn's son all on his own so that he can go to the dark side and make her and Dante's lives miserable.  And Lois too.

Well, I co-sign the Lois part, but Dante?  Didn't know Gio existed.  And BLQ did what she thought was best for herself and her baby.  Gio loved the mom who raised him.  BLQ could have chosen not to have the baby. 

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Just wondering if the Metrocourt has yet roped off Brennan's room with the polonium spilled all over the floor.  I notice Carly's visitors still aren't wearing any protection.

I enjoy the Nina/Ava friendship, even if they are sometimes sworn enemies.  It suits them.

Wondering what story Valentin told to Lulu to gain her sympathy. Willing to bet his lover Anna knows nothing about it. 

So we have Anna, Jason, Brennan and Valentin all converging at the pier.  Will some innocent arrive to get caught in the crossfire?  Per the preview and Anna ordering Jason to let go of her---why not drop kick him, like he was an Argentinian assassin?

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23 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

seems Not!Brennan was behind the bombing of Mooby’s apartment. Unless Valentin was lying.

That’s not what he said. Sonny asked if it was Brennan and Valentin said not necessarily. A shipment of that device went missing when Val was working with Pikeman. So it ‘could’ have been Brennan or it could have been some rogue operative who sold the device to one of Sonny’s many enemies.

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21 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

That’s not what he said. Sonny asked if it was Brennan and Valentin said not necessarily. A shipment of that device went missing when Val was working with Pikeman. So it ‘could’ have been Brennan or it could have been some rogue operative who sold the device to one of Sonny’s many enemies.

When I complain about the writers not being able to tell a compelling story, this is part of what I mean.  If they're going to bring us back to Pikeman, which was too long ago to be in present memory, we need some exposition to remind us of both the basic premise and the convolutions. 

When a writer or writing team has a full story thought through, they're able to drop occasional information into the daily episodes until the story reaches its denouement.  But when they haven't thought it through at all, they simply drop the storyline and then pick it back up again months down the road (because the fans have been vocal about the plot line not having been resolved) by which time even the writers can't remember how it started, and we're on our own to make sense of it.  

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3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So what was her deal?  Was she in Bensonhurst pretending to be pregnant while BLQ gestated on the road?  Is that where BLQ later got the idea to fake being pregnant?

I'm sure no one noticed that Gio's supposed mom wasn't pregnant, I mean it's Bensonhurst, so according to this show everyone was too busy playing bingo, making pasta fazool, or preparing for a life in the bidness.  

I've had splinters that took longer to remove than the time that Carly's life-threatening poisoning lasted. 

Great, so now any time Sonny sees Carly and Brennan together we'll have to hear, "he's with her 'cause he's tryna git ta me!!". The same way he thinks everyone does anything because they're trying to get to him, like any time Ava wants to see her daughter, Sidwell rubs his hands in glee, Drew makes a face, or Ric cuts a fart it's because Sonny literally has the mentality of a 12-year-old mean girl who assumes everyone does everything because of them.  

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Only on this show is Mooby the ONLY “parent” who gets to live and is “worthy” 🤬🤬🤬

I have NO USE for either Valentin or Charlotte-but apparently he deserves to die and Charlotte -eh, so what if her father is killed? No biggie. And Jaysus of course is A-Okay with this because their precious SLS got caught in the crossfire.

And of COURSE NO ONE tells Cujo who is actually responsible for her not Croaking. It’s Not!Brennan who gets the credit! 

I can’t WAIT for Willow to eat her words. Knowing a family’s history doesn’t mean you KNOW, you twit.

And Drew is acting as if Alan, Edward, and Lila weren’t related to him. And yet he’s whining about keeping the Quartermaine name? Again why?

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11 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate that they're writing Ava as a dizzy dame with finances. For someone who's supposed to be a sharp businesswoman, she should have a much better handle on her spending.

Agree with this but I did like Ava's, "what do you have on tap?" and "take this away" when Nina ordered the good stuff.

Enjoyed the scene with Rick, Alexis, Molly and Cody (Cody fan here).  RH and JK bring out the fun in scenes like that.

I hope this Spy vs Spy crap with Brennan and Valentin is over soon.  It's getting boring.

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On 3/18/2025 at 3:58 PM, dubbel zout said:

"You had to hear that from Lulu? Can't she keep her mouth shut about anything?" Right on, Chase. Right on.

I had come on to post specifically about that one line!  Best of the year so far. Can't imagine that Leslie Lu will be Chase's favorite person from here on out - and he likes almost everyone!

11 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So the scariest Cassadine might actually go out with a whimper.

After the character was introduced, it became difficult to imagine that even Helena was afraid of Valentin. Stephan was much scarier, IMO.

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8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And Drew is acting as if Alan, Edward, and Lila weren’t related to him. And yet he’s whining about keeping the Quartermaine name? Again why?

For someone who carries around Jason’s memories like a detailed Wikipedia page, I can’t fathom why he’d ever do this to Lila. Even from the perspective of a sleazy politician, digging up the beloved town matriarch is such a terrible idea. 

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6 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:
17 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So the scariest Cassadine might actually go out with a whimper.

After the character was introduced, it became difficult to imagine that even Helena was afraid of Valentin. Stephan was much scarier, IMO.

Ace is scarier than Valentin. Talk about overselling a character before he appears on the show. Anyone with a teenage hunchback history is not going to inspire fear, IMO.

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1 hour ago, Daisy said:

What is Drew doing to Lila, Edward and Alan?
Valentine is dead?

Not yet, though the previews showed that Not!Brennan is about to kill him.

18 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So the scariest Cassadine might actually go out with a whimper. Seems fitting for this show. And also exasperating. 

I never thought Valentin was scary. I seem to recall another actor was in line to play him, but it never happened. I mean, I remember how a drugged up Robert!Fucking!Scorpio! Cold-cocked him at the Nurses Ball after he escaped!

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3 hours ago, CeChase said:

I loved the Nina and Ava scene.  These are the kind of women I can relate to.  Nina's face when she sniffed the beer, and Ava's "thank god!  take this swill away".  Rich auntie vibes.   

The only thing that bugged was how Nina could tell it was domestic beer just by sight/smell. Maybe I'm just too plebian to know 😉

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5 hours ago, CeChase said:

I loved the Nina and Ava scene.  These are the kind of women I can relate to.  Nina's face when she sniffed the beer, and Ava's "thank god!  take this swill away".  Rich auntie vibes.   

I thought it was hilarious before that that Ava didn't know how to find her credit card limit. She's so spoiled and clueless about (some) things

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2 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

The only thing that bugged was how Nina could tell it was domestic beer just by sight/smell. Maybe I'm just too plebian to know 😉

I don't like the taste, so I honestly have no idea.   I doubt Nina has drank enough beer (if any) to tell by smell, but maybe she spent her time as co-owner of the Metro Court doing sniff tests.  lol

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7 hours ago, absnow54 said:

For someone who carries around Jason’s memories like a detailed Wikipedia page, I can’t fathom why he’d ever do this to Lila. Even from the perspective of a sleazy politician, digging up the beloved town matriarch is such a terrible idea. 

Apart from the memories, I know that politicians get away with a lot these days but this is not a good look in front of his constituents. Has he given up on being re-elected?

2 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

The only thing that bugged was how Nina could tell it was domestic beer just by sight/smell. Maybe I'm just too plebian to know 😉

Ava asked for the beer on tap. Maybe it's awful. (Cue Canadian joke about American beer.) You can get a great beer from a micro-breweries. But I would want to know what the beer is that the restaurant has on tap is before ordering it. (Why does an upscale restaurant even have beer on tap?)

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19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Apart from the memories, I know that politicians get away with a lot these days but this is not a good look in front of his constituents. Has he given up on being re-elected?

He wasn't re-elected. He's a Freshman Congressman, meaning his ASS needs to be in DC as he doesn't have the clout and influence his pea brain thinks he has.

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Go Chase! Be the person who draws the line with Lulu.

What is that eyesore that Brook Lynn was wearing? Did she steal it from the 60s?

Where is Avery? Sonny brought only Donna over to his house and Ava is out drinking with Nina.

I've never agreed more with Valentin. "Oh my god Jack.. Anna Devane is Anna Devane but Carly Spencer????"

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

He wasn't re-elected. He's a Freshman Congressman, meaning his ASS needs to be in DC as he doesn't have the clout and influence his pea brain thinks he has.

I meant for the 2026 elections. Voters can be demanding.

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5 hours ago, Daisy said:

Valentine is dead?

Not so far. I've got to give JPS credit that Valentin's appalled reaction to realizing that New!Brennan thinks he's in love with Carly "Spencer" was hilarious. 

How many times can two men call each other "old friend" while one was holding a gun? Ridiculous.  Also, Anna with all her skills could easily have left Jason on the ground instead of yelling let go. Her character has really been destroyed. Ugh. Was that supposed to be Jason's pouty face that Anna won't just let Brennan kill Valentin?

The only reason it would ever be okay for Sonny to ask Laura to come to his place at night, immediately, is for an emergency concerning Rocco and/or Dante.  I'm appalled at Laura telling him she's proud of him. Hey Laura, a friendship with Sonny should not be an option for you because a) you're the mayor and b) you have a different husband now who is not a part of Sonny's world! Her desire to be friends like the old day is naive and ludicrous!

Chase, dear, you deciding you need to protect Brook Lynn by scolding Lulu and trying to tell her what's what just makes your wife look weak. Lulu made good points.

Hey Felicia, you didn't get the chance with Maxie and Georgie because Georgie was murdered. I can't with Felicia acting like Brennan is worse for her than Sonny was. So far, Felicia, none of Carly's kids are dead or critically injured because of Brennan.

Hey Jason, do you remember when Sonny shot Carly in the head? What a hypocrite.

Can this Gio secret finalllllyyy be revealed to Dante?!

 

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10 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I meant for the 2026 elections. Voters can be demanding.

No. He can't be re-elected (if Show doesn't kill him off before then) before the election actually takes place. Which won't be for another two years.

And he's done Jack SHIT in his first term; just been throwing his weight around in Port Charles, acting as if he has any authority over the keystone cops, still actively trying to run his business, when he's not allowed to do so, etc., etc.

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4 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Can this Gio secret finalllllyyy be revealed to Dante?!

With Gloria gone and Lois going home to Bensonhurst, I'm just afraid they will backburner this until May/November sweeps. Though 5 or 6 weeks of seething and stewing might be tolerable, there currently aren't many stakes for fallout story right now. (I assume they would want some but you know how that goes.)

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16 minutes ago, tessaray said:

With Gloria gone and Lois going home to Bensonhurst, I'm just afraid they will backburner this until May/November sweeps.

Noooo! I need my pain to end.

33 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

 Lulu made good points.

What did you think they were?

Lulu saying how hard it was for her the first three years when she didn't know where Charlotte, that's true for her. But it's different for Dante, he doesn't know that he has another child so he's not going through the anguish that Lulu did.

If anyone is thinking of telling Dante, i would start with talking to him about how he and Sonny didn't know about each other for the first decades of his life. Explore how he feels about that, the pros and cons, and then, if it's still a good idea, ease into it gently. Don't be a bull in a china shop like Lulu is.

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10 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Go Chase! Be the person who draws the line with Lulu.

My hero!

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I've never agreed more with Valentin. "Oh my god Jack.. Anna Devane is Anna Devane but Carly Spencer????"

My other hero!

28 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I'm appalled at Laura telling him she's proud of him.

Sonny is such a turd. He accepts Laura's good wishes and spews a bunch of crap but fails to mention to that he's okay with not shooting Valentin at the house because Sonny sent Jason after him to finish the job.  

I liked the Lois/BL talk, especially when BL wondered if Lois and Gloria had influenced BL's decision to give the baby up. I think it was absolutely the right choice, but I get why BL is angry with Lois and Gloria. Of course, we know that Lois, at least, did have more to do with the adoption than BL realizes.

Lulu, just because Martin is your uncle doesn't mean it's okay to break into his hotel room and rifle through his professional papers. WTF reason was that?

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2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Noooo! I need my pain to end.

What did you think they were?

Lulu saying how hard it was for her the first three years when she didn't know where Charlotte, that's true for her. But it's different for Dante, he doesn't know that he has another child so he's not going through the anguish that Lulu did.

If anyone is thinking of telling Dante, i would start with talking to him about how he and Sonny didn't know about each other for the first decades of his life. 

I think Chase already knows that keeping this secret is wrong - that Dante would want to know - because Dante just flat out said to him Lulu would not be better off if Charlotte hadn't come into her life and it's the right thing to "step up" when/if you know you're a parent.  He's just mad that big, bad Lulu is making his wife upset.

The comparison to Sonny and Dante is not fair because Dante thought Sonny was a creep/thug long before he knew Sonny was his father. He came to Port Charles as an undercover cop for that reason. The father/son intro was Dante recovering from a gunshot wound. Dante, on the other hand, is not a dangerous guy and has been a devoted dad

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38 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I think Chase already knows that keeping this secret is wrong - that Dante would want to know - because Dante just flat out said to him Lulu would not be better off if Charlotte hadn't come into her life and it's the right thing to "step up" when/if you know you're a parent.  He's just mad that big, bad Lulu is making his wife upset.

I'm chucking at your last sentence because the first time Chase gets tough it's with a woman so small I can fold up and put in my Shaving Kit.

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

hated the Laura/Sonny scenes, but I've actually started hating Laura too. Never thought it would happen, but here we are.

Ugh, they were awful. It's so stupid no one is allowed to dislike Sonny for more than a minute, regardless of how justified eternal hate would be (e.g., Sonny, Wagger, to name two).

We're supposed to believe Sonny is taking stock of his life and he's trying to be a better man? The same guy who sent Jason to make sure Valentin got killed? The same guy who is still in the mob? Spare me.

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1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I'm chucking at your last sentence because the first time Chase gets tough it's with a woman so small I can fold up and put in my Shaving Kit.

It is funny when you put it that way! I just really dislike how Chase demands that Lulu stop "harassing my wife" as if Brook Lynn is a defenseless teenager while Lulu is an adult trying to ruin her life, that this secret is nobody's business but Brooklyn's because she has convinced him at least temporarily that his best friend shouldn't know he fathered a child prior to Rocco.

He's in denial that his wife has been a coddled, self-absorbed liar and schemer since long before he knew her. Brook Lynn hates that Lulu knows this about her and that the truth about her own behavior and decisions could jeopardize her marriage.

I personally hate that Brook Lynn's attempt to rape Dante after drugging him - and Lulu witnessing it - has been glossed over because "it's in the past" and Brook Lynn is supposedly a new/different person since she's married to Chase. That doesn't mean Lulu was any less hurt or traumatized by what she witnessed yet Brook Lynn still has no remorse for what Lulu witnessed. 

Fast forward to now and we find out that she also decided as an adult to never tell Dante they had a son together because he didn't want to cheat on his girlfriend with her?!  With "friends" like her, Dante doesn't need any enemies.

Though I definitely think Lulu was wrong to let herself in to Martin's room and go through his files, I absolutely understand her feelings toward/attitude about Chase's "wife." I lost respect for Chase when he said he would arrest her for crimes if she didn't back off poor put-upon Brook Lynn (as opposed to arresting her and building a case because he's a cop who thinks the law is the law and she belongs in jail). 

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Has Lulu received her first paycheck from Deception?  Not enough to buy a house. 

I'm surprised she's not kicking Maxie out of her rental, since comaLulu! didn't agree to it.  "Thanks for looking after my house, Maxie, but imma need that back."

I was thinking about Portia.  And much as I'd like to see the karma fairy visit her, she is up against Drew, who is equally vile.  Portia should go through Willow's GH records and discover something she can hold over Willow's head.  Like maybe that time Willow stole drugs to heal the local hitman. 

 

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18 hours ago, absnow54 said:

For someone who carries around Jason’s memories like a detailed Wikipedia page, I can’t fathom why he’d ever do this to Lila. Even from the perspective of a sleazy politician, digging up the beloved town matriarch is such a terrible idea. 

Then why bring back Drew if he was going to pivoted to this? Why not have CM play one of Jimmy Lee Holt's kids. Then him wanting the Q name while going after the Q crypt would make sense as he would have no blood relation to Lila and be pissed that his branch of the family were denied an inheritance from Edward. 

13 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Not yet, though the previews showed that Not!Brennan is about to kill him.

I never thought Valentin was scary. I seem to recall another actor was in line to play him, but it never happened. I mean, I remember how a drugged up Robert!Fucking!Scorpio! Cold-cocked him at the Nurses Ball after he escaped!

I remember that. JFP (the then EP) was  super unprofessional. That was around the time we got saddled with James Franco's Franco. The actor, reportedly, was in the f*ing make up chair when he was told the storyline had being scrapped. JFP didn't have the courtesy to pickup her cell phone and tell not to bother coming in. Of course the smarter thing to do when James was still in favor was have him play Valentin, but instead of giving him the real soap acting experience for actors that aren't MB or SB, they allowed him to craft his own storyline.

On 3/16/2025 at 3:14 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

Yes, Lulu was dead wrong for breaking into Martin's hotel room and her hostile approach to Brook Lynn. But the way AS and RS are playing their characters, I don't believe they are really keeping the secret to protect a now-adult child. There are ways to investigate/look into the past without just showing and declaring "ta da, I'm your biological parent who gave you up for adoption." Both women have clearly not kept the secret for fear of the kid's safety re: Sonny. Lois is protecting Gloria and herself from having her daughter, ex-husband, etc. rage at her.

It makes sense that she didn't tell him when she was a scared teenager. But she knows Dante is a kind, not dangerous guy who would never blow up a kid's life for selfish reasons, and she was never afraid of the danger that Sonny brings to children, so she had no real reason to not tell adult Dante the truth.

Doesn't change the fact that those were confidential files, so not only was it immoral, it was illegal. I think the passing years, a secret like that it would be harder to reveal, not easier, no matter how safe Dante is. And regarding today's show, no matter how "tiny" Lulu is, I'm glad Chase confronted her. He is right; her prime motivation is her dislike for BL, not a sense of justice for Dante. All her getting in BL's face constantly is going to make BL try harder to keep the secret. Chase forcing Lulu to give BL space, might allow him to convince BL to come clean to Dante. And unlike the Charlotte situation where Valentin was raising her, neither Dante or BL raised Gio, BL didn't know she had a son. 

One another side note, Lulu might not know it (& don't she will apologize if she found out), when she said "what if it was your kid!) I felt really bad for Chase considering his infertility.

On 3/19/2025 at 7:26 PM, Daisy said:

You know the thing that ticks me off the most about this stupid BLQ baby. is that it's Dante's baby which means Sonny is officially biologically connected and mingled with the Q's and that is just wrong on so many levels. 

I was thinking that too. Sonny is such a weed. He is the father of one Cassadine, and the Uncle to two, the father of two Spencers. He stole Dr. Alan's grandson and now Tracy is going to find out that not only is he a bio grandpa to her only bio great grandkid, but Lois allowed him to have an outsize influence on Gio when it seems Ned didn't even know. Let's not forgot his enduring love story and grooming of Jason. This show's 25 year obsession with being up Sonny's ass has turned all the family trees to bushes. 

8 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Lulu, just because Martin is your uncle doesn't mean it's okay to break into his hotel room and rifle through his professional papers. WTF reason was that?

My mom's an accountant, doesn't mean when I'm at her house I'm allowed to go through her clients' files. 

13 hours ago, MarciNJ said:

for now.... until it is Cody's baby or some rando's baby....

I'm hoping Lucas. 

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Hey, Superspy Devane: Maybe cut the headlights when you're trying to sneak up on a showdown.

I know it's only a show, but the heroic Brennan thing is starting to bug me. We're getting "shown" that Carly has wormed her way into his heart and is his top priority, and yet he's put her oldest daughter on track to never have a real personal life ever again. And, not for nothing, demanding that no one be told she was in the hospital isn't the best idea for someone with a young child. 

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7 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

One another side note, Lulu might not know it (& don't she will apologize if she found out), when she said "what if it was your kid!) I felt really bad for Chase considering his infert

Thanks to Dante, L ulu knows that Chase and BLQ are having trouble conceiving and maybe unable to have their own child. She knows enough that she did knowingly hurt Chase.

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I’m so happy they finally took Brooklyn and Chase out of the awkward bedroom scenes. Amanda Setton rocks the drama and Swickard does anger well. I liked him again as he confronted Lulu.

GF and MB must enjoy working together, but their scenes as Laura and Sonny were vomit worthy.

14 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I hated the Laura/Sonny scenes, but I've actually started hating Laura too. Never thought it would happen, but here we are.

Same. Same. Same.

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Oh, how niiiiiiice of Mooby to tell Laura he didn't want to kill Valentin because he's got kids, and it wouldn't be right. When that scuzzy, murdering thug, threatened to do just that and told him he didn't deserve to be a father. The only reason he didn't kill him was this time, he didn't want to get his hands dirty, but they still are, since he sent his loyal hitman to finish the job if Not!Brennan couldn't do it.

Changed man, my ass.

As I stated upthread, I've never cared for Valentin, but DAMN! Yesterday? His reaction to WHY Not!Brennan wanted to kill him? Valentin for the WIN!

Wah, wah, wah, puir, puir Cujo. So boring. And she looks Healthy as a Horse, except for her talking less stridently and like a weak missish mouse.

I seem to recall it took quite some time for the Polonium to affect Luke, and he looked HORRIBLE, not to mention SICK. Guess Frank is too fuckasscheap to put in the effort. Quelle Shock.

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