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19 minutes ago, jsbt said:

Didn't Felicia come back to town for that? 'Determined to find Georgie's killer?' And then I don't think she even stayed for the climax lol

She did. And Maxie ripped her a new one at Georgie’s funeral. This was also when we learned Felicia had been a spying with Frisco on WSB adventures.

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7 hours ago, ciarra said:

I can hand wave anything Ric has done, all to appease MoB.  Didn't Mo have a hissy fit over Ted King's leather jacket?  They had to write Ric as a jerk.

LiRic brought the pretty.

 

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Exactly!  As long as the 'hero' of this show is an unapologetic mobster, I too can hand wave anything Ric and most other characters have done or will do too. As for LiRic, to this day, so much pretty!

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11 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Did anyone else think it was really weird that Maxie said her 9 year old son has been bugging her for a play date with 4 year old Wylie? Was that just a ploy to get Willow to Maxie’s house so she can try to talk some sense into her? And what is James going to do with the brat when he gets there?

It's weird when we forget that James and Wylie are related via sisters Leisl and Madeline. I'm not going into the whole what kind of cousins they are. It's confusing.

3 hours ago, jsbt said:

So I was not watching much during the incredibly boring period surrounding Wagger's death. How exactly did he break bad? Does Anna know Sonny killed him and does she care?

I skipped a lot of the material because I liked the actor and the beginning of his stint (even if with beach bum looks he should never have been cast as Jagger), from being interesting and flirty, with everyone on the show starting to see Sonny for the thug he is, he became obsessed with taking Sonny down and acting irrationally. He supposedly got with Ava as part of this and questioned Kristina in the hospital after the Ava/pool/baby loss accident and arrested her after she got out to put pressure on Sonny I think.

Anyhow, the debacle was due to a change in writing regimes and was a sh*t way to treat an actor and a legacy character, but MB complained and a change apparently happened.

I see the same happening to the Brennan character which could’ve been why CM jumped ship, or not. Just my personal speculation. Being more charming and interesting than MB doesn’t seem to pay.

Bitter, me? You bet, which is why I’m pausing viewing.

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34 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Anyhow, the debacle was due to a change in writing regimes and was a sh*t way to treat an actor and a legacy character, but MB complained and a change apparently happened.

I see the same happening to the Brennan character which could’ve been why CM jumped ship, or not. Just my personal speculation. Being more charming and interesting than MB doesn’t seem to pay.

Maurice had a minor breakdown IRL during the switched meds storyline last spring (which he previously said he was enjoying) and I do think his issues sometimes inform the story they allow to go forward, but I don't at all believe he complained about Jagger or ordered Adam Harrington fired. And I don't think he had anything at all to do with Charles Mesure's strange and abrupt exit.

I'm aware of when Patrick Mulcahey exited. What I'm curious about are the story events where Jagger turned bad, what he did and what Anna and the PCPD actually know about Sonny killing Cates or what they've said about it.

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I think everybody "knows" Sonny killed Jagger but Carly (faked a concurrent romantic liaison with Sonny), Michael (failed to mention he witnessed it) and Jason (got rid of the gun) helped Sonny cover it up for about five minutes, and then the show moved on.  Alexis was arrested for the murder for two of those five minutes, and was suspected of covering for Kristina (who had taken another gun from Sonny's and was angry enough to do it, but didn't).

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4 hours ago, jsbt said:

I'm aware of when Patrick Mulcahey exited. What I'm curious about are the story events where Jagger turned bad, what he did and what Anna and the PCPD actually know about Sonny killing Cates or what they've said about it.

The main "bad" thing he did was go after Kristina to pressure Sonny to confess (about Pikeman maybe?). He did use Ava to testify against her and it looked like he paid a hit woman to take out Ava under the guise of protective custody. After her recorded deposition. (Not cool but other characters have done worse.)  He ignored his other FBI duties to go around threatening Sonny and friends. He went from normal to relentlessly manic about it in 24 hours. It made no sense. So, of course Sonny had to shoot him in cold blood. 

Lots of people suspected since it happened during a Q party but with Carly's alibi and no physical evidence, nothing stuck. The most loathsome part was him letting Alexis get sent to Pentonville to await trial for it. He was about to confess to rectify that when Alexis was freed by other means. 🦗🦗🦗  ever since.

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16 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Did anyone else think it was really weird that Maxie said her 9 year old son has been bugging her for a play date with 4 year old Wylie? Was that just a ploy to get Willow to Maxie’s house so she can try to talk some sense into her? And what is James going to do with the brat when he gets there?

Carly and NuLucas had a scene a couple months ago where she told him Wylie is in second grade, so he's definitely not 4 now. James and Wylie have been in kid group scenes together before, so it didn't strike me as weird. Also, Wylie is the only boy cousin James (Nathan's son) has aside from Noah, Robin's son, who lives in California. 

I got the impression Maxie is definitely concerned about Willow and wants to get a sense of what she's feeling and how she's thinking. Maxie knows Drew is planning to buy a house big enough so that Willow and the kids can move in with him and Scout. Willow just told her she's going to need to find a place for her and her kids. Given Maxie has experience being lied to/manipulated by a man who claimed to love her, she can relate to and look out for Willow without Willow getting immediately defensive. 

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2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

There is no way I’m going to believe Wylie is 8 years old. He looks and acts like a 4 yr old, 5 at best. How old is the kid who plays him?

Actor VW is 9 years old. Wylie was born on-screen in 2018, so he is supposed to be 6 years old. 

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22 hours ago, JMO said:

The fact that they didn't follow up on yesterday's big Gio revelation makes me think that they realize it wasn't a surprise.

To me it's TFGH. The pacing for the show has been terrible for so long.

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21 hours ago, Sake614 said:

And what is James going to do with the brat when he gets there?

Bully him. Which is fine.

Ditto Wiley desperately needs to spend time with someone who doesn't think he's the best thing ever. Ugh.

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14 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

It's weird when we forget that James and Wylie are related via sisters Leisl and Madeline. I'm not going into the whole what kind of cousins they are. It's confusing.

Willow/Nelle and Nathan would have been cousins. Wylie and Amelia are second cousins to James.

Maxie and Willow don't act like they are family at all, even if by marriage.

I miss Liesl.

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2 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Seriously? That’s a really small 9 year old. I could buy him as 6 but even then there’s no way James is begging to hang out with him. Oh well, it’s TFGH. 🤷‍♀️

Lately Wiley looks like he's ready for a growth spurt. Like just this side of a real boy boy. 🙂 He definitely doesn't look like a kindergartener or first-grader anymore to me, though he is on the slight side. (I have a passel of grandsons.) YMMV, of course. 

I looked up the 2 boys and they are less than a week apart in age. 9, born in Oct/Nov 2015. Maybe the show is just quietly soras-ing Wiley to match?

6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I miss Liesl.

She made a lot of people palatable.

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On 2/7/2025 at 6:40 PM, JMO said:

The fact that they didn't follow up on yesterday's big Gio revelation makes me think that they realize it wasn't a surprise.  Now we have Sidwell-as-Natalia's-husband, also posited here on this board months ago.  Either GH is totally predictable, or they have a mole on this board! 

Yep. It also means that most of us on this Board can write the same (or better) storylines than the paid professionals.

On 2/7/2025 at 6:40 PM, JMO said:

I really like nuLucas.  I find the character and the actor believable, and like that he's been brought into a couple of story lines. Whether or not he ends up with Brad again, I think it should be by choice, and not just because they are the only two gay guys on screen.  

I've been a Van Hansis fan for awhile now.  He brings a quiet, natural acting style to the screen that you don't see much of these days. I first noticed it when he bailed Ava and Ric out at the Restaurant, he sat between the two of them. happily munching on a Cheeseburger and fries while the two went back and forth. It seemed so real-to-life.

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10 hours ago, tessaray said:
10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I miss Liesl.

She made a lot of people palatable.

She also gave a lot of people the bracing dose of reality they desperately needed. She's not dead, so maybe we'll see her again. She can be the doctor who "cures" Michael, heh.

6 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

[Van Hansis] brings a quiet, natural acting style to the screen that you don't see much of these days.

He really does. I think Lucas as a character is still a mess, but Hansis is doing a decent job with what he has, and it's nice to see an actor who doesn't fall back on tics like whisper threats or stone-eyed staring. Ahem.

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Dear Willow, a lot of us watching this show are from the US and therefore have terrible insurance that is not going to cover soap opera related injuries from whiplash sustained because of a character jumping back and forth on decisions at the speed of light. "I can have whoever I want in my home!", "Yeah it was probably a bad idea to have Drew in my home", *heart eyes at Drew*, "Yeah I still love Michael". Girl make a decision, at least just one, and stick with it for more than 5 seconds. 

Speaking of decisions, bad ones, was noted bigot Natalia a contestant on a reality show called Bad Decision Island? Sonny, Sidwell, all the bigotry, making her kids hate her, etc. I mean she'd be a winner for sure! 

I know by all rights Lucas should hold a lifelong grudge against Carly for breaking up his parent's marriage and destroying Tony's life, but VH and LW have fantastic sibling chemistry so I'm buying it even though I kinda hate it.  

I really hate the Cyrus is the big bad evil story line, mainly because I like JK. Can't they just retcon it with a Franco brain tumor and that was the reason for all the evil? I mean this is a show wherein our hero shot an FBI agent point blank in the chest and the other characters are like "meh", so surely they can find a way to rehab him (but maybe drop the preacher part too).  

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36 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

I really hate the Cyrus is the big bad evil story line, mainly because I like JK. Can't they just retcon it with a Franco brain tumor and that was the reason for all the evil? I mean this is a show wherein our hero shot an FBI agent point blank in the chest and the other characters are like "meh", so surely they can find a way to rehab him (but maybe drop the preacher part too).  

I agree with you on this. For me, Cyrus is one of the few intriguing characters on the canvas at the moment.  He can be the big bad, but I would love for them to find a way not to get rid of him----unless, of course, JK is ready to move on.

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I enjoyed watching Cyrus lurk around GH, even if his target was Elizabeth. It was old-school soapy.

I also enjoyed Nina telling Carly about all of the stuff Drew will do to get Willow to move in with him if they don't try to break up those dingbats.

I did not enjoy any regarding Sasha and her baby daddy. So boring in every possible way. And why are they making Cody so tedious? Ugh.

Ava is a much better friend to Trina than Joss is. I loved Ava's outrage at hearing what Kai's dumb best friend said to Trina.

Oh, god. Bad French accent Colette is back. Joss's tradecraft leaves a lot to be desired.

Full marks to BH's "Eeeyikes, Kristina be crazy" look after Kristina said Ava couldn't have her daughter if Kristina couldn't have hers. 

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32 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No show today? Or was it a 😴😴😴?

Tracy's line to Carly about a taser was good snark. I'm sure you'll enjoy that.

Also Elizabeth's line to Ric that she's not alone in this because she has Lucky.😊

But Felicia inviting Cody and Sasha for a meet-up to get Cody to apologize, and Cody's "I want..." (nobody cares what you want!!!)  just turns my stomach because I hate when a grown ass man behaves like a petulant little boy/teenager. Then his behavior toward Jason. UGHHH.

 

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56 minutes ago, JMO said:

The thing that stuck out to me was how many liquor bottles Ava had in her brand new apartment.  

I know! She probably put in the liquor order before she even signed the lease, lol.

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

Have some self respect Ava. I know nothing turns me on more than when a guy yells out that the woman he really wants doesn't want him. 

Ava has always been something of a masochist when it comes to men: Morgan, Nik, Sonny, and now Ric.

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today’s show…Kristina definitely needs to be committed. That girl is certifiable!

poor Cyrus doesn’t know what to do now that Joss apologized lol! I loved how JK played that scene. 

is Joss going to find Austin’s decayed body when she opens the door to his house? He’s been dead over a year already right? Does anyone even know he died or are they still expecting him to show up for work? 🤣

I like Ric and Ava. And I want to see sexy times for them. But today’s grope fest was just cringe. 

hey Nina, if you really truly want to help your daughter, maybe sign her up for some sessions with Kevin. Or someone else. She clearly has a LOT of issues, mostly that she has no mind of her own. She just goes whichever way th wind blows. Drew just has to look at her and she immediately agrees to whatever he wants. 

I did enjoy Carly admitting to Tracy that she screwed up by confronting Drew and then reminding Tracy that she also contributed to the current situation and they need to be strategic in their approach to getting Drew out of Willow’s life.

just when I was starting to like Cody, he becomes this machismo asshat. Just STFU already and mind your own damn business!

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34 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Trina, if you're cold carry a hat, gloves, and zip up your jacket. You have lived in upstate New York long enough to know this. 

Clearly it’s been too long since you were a teen/young adult lol! Hats mess your hair and zipping your coat means people can’t see what you’re wearing. 🤣 when I think back to my hs days, wearing a waist length coat with no hat or scarf, fashionable boots with heels that were absolutely NOT made for walking in snow…I’m surprised I’m still here to talk about it.

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Laura was ALL KINDS OF AWESOME in the scene with Drew and Sidwell on Friday! Especially her “Ohhh the draaama!” line to Sidwell as she left them! I ❤️ Genie!

As for today? The line of Elizabeth telling Ric that she’s not alone-she has Lucky as she walked away made my heart go pitty-pat!!!

Sasha is all kinds of STOOPID-and tomorrow’s previews proves it. And now I we have to suffer round three of Jaysus saying/not saying outright (cuz we ALL know he doesn’t LIE!🙄🙄🙄) he’s the sperm donor for Sasha’s and the SLS’s spawn. 
 

Angry Jon Bernthal GIF by NETFLIX

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Sasha really berating Cody for spreading her business is going to walk up to Willow in a public place to question and judge her living arrangements. Willow should not have to tell her to focus on her own life. 

Tracy is the best person for Jason. If he continues this lie and let's his son and Monica believe yet another lie just so he can save Carly's children yet again shows his son is still no priority to him.  

Carly and Nina agreeing so much is bizarre. They'd actually have made food friends. 

 Ava tries to break custody to take Avery to her apartment seems stupid move to make. Ric showing up saved her and giving her free lawyer fees. 

 

 

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Felicia, I love you but ambushing new members of your family into having a sit down and then telling then "that's what families do!" is a big reason why a lot of people don't talk to their families. There's like entire subreddits about this. 

Even though Ric is a smarmy man, he and Liz still bring the pretty although heh at her telling him she has Lucky.  

I had a meeting today that could have been an email and even then, it was more interesting than watching Trina and Kai.  

 

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I don't get what the problem was with Avery visiting Ava's new apartment. Presumably Sonny has custody which means that Sonny gets to make the big decisions for Avery like school and medical treatment. That doesn't mean that Ava can't take Avery on a trip to her apartment much less visit with her in the park. Unless Ava is prohibited from interacting with Avery, which frankly there is no cause for, Kristina has no legal right to keep Avery from Ava.

What is Ric talking about? These writers have no idea what custody is.

5 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Pairing Kai with Trina is like pairing Ambien with Nyquil. 🥱 🛏️ 

This so much.

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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

is Joss going to find Austin’s decayed body when she opens the door to his house? He’s been dead over a year already right? Does anyone even know he died or are they still expecting him to show up for work?

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On November 28 (2023?), Liz is concerned at GH why Austin hasn't been at work lately. She goes to his apartment and discovers he hasn't been there since Thanksgiving. Dante gets a call from Paul Briscoe of the Pautauk PD who says Austin is dead. Dante is with Sonny who immediately suspects Cyrus was behind Austin's death. Paul later visits Dante at the PCPD to discuss the details. Jordan later reveals that as Austin died in Pautauk, his death is in that PD's jurisdiction. Ava is accused of killing Austin and goes to the Port Charles Grill to talk to Cyrus who claims he has an alibi that night as he was working as a dishwasher. Cyrus smirks as Ava walks away.

 

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I don't get what the problem was with Avery visiting Ava's new apartment. Presumably Sonny has custody which means that Sonny gets to make the big decisions for Avery like school and medical treatment. That doesn't mean that Ava can't take Avery on a trip to her apartment much less visit with her in the park. Unless Ava is prohibited from interacting with Avery, which frankly there is no cause for, Kristina has no legal right to keep Avery from Ava.

What is Ric talking about? These writers have no idea what custody is.

 

If Sonny has sole, primary custody then yes Ava is prohibited from showing up and taking her without authorization or court approval. 

She can't just show up where she thinks she'll be and take her. It's not legal, Ric showing up saved her. 

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That Sonny even has sole custody of Avery is ridiculous.

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But regardless of the appeal, sole legal custody is not meant merely for situations where parents have different child-rearing philosophies or difficulty collaborating.

Instead, sole legal custody is meant for situations where it is clear that one parent is more equipped or available to make sound legal decisions and the other parent is incapable of doing so or found to be unfit. For instance, when one parent travels outside the country a great deal, is moving out of state, or presents issues with substance use, child neglect, or domestic abuse, sole legal custody is a reasonable expectation.

If both parents are available and fit to make reasonable decisions, sole legal custody is not the best option, and courts are unlikely to grant that request.

Except in Port Charles apparently.

As well as being a well-known mobster, Sonny's apartment just got firebombed leading Michael to be almost killed. So instead of being with Sonny, who by the way is currently out of state, Avery is living in Carly's house, who was also out of the country, a woman Avery has no familial ties to. That Sonny, much less Joss or Kristina, has any legal right to keep Ava away from Avery is ridiculous.

Do better show. Or at least do more interesting.

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I hate to ever be on Carly's side, but after today's Carly/Nina scenes, where Nina was laying it on so thick to manipulate Carly into helping her get Willow away from Drew, once the truth comes out about Nina and Drew having sex, I fully support Carly tearing into her. Nina has the ammunition to bust that pairing up, but she refuses to use it. Yes, her relationship with Willow will take a hit, but if she's the one who tells Willow, she has the chance to spin it as best she can. If it comes out because she and Carly do split Willow and Drew up, and Drew decides to go scorched earth, it will be way worse for Nina. (And she should be able to figure out that the odds are that Drew will spill it if he thinks he's lost Willow due to Nina's influence).  Her standing there asking Carly "are you willing to do whatever it takes?" is so hypocritical, when she's not "willing to do whatever it takes."  

Speaking of hypocrites, oh, look, there's Sasha sticking her nose into Willow's life while hiding the fact that she's carrying Willow's children's half-sibling. And then Sasha gets all pissed in her later scenes about people sticking their nose into her life. She has less than zero self-awareness. It's a shame she and Cody are related and can't be together, because they've become the same self-righteous busybodies about other people's lives while their own lives are a big old mess. 

So, what, in another 20 years, will Jason be pretending to be the father of Wiley's affair baby?  

Liz telling Ric she has Lucky was, by far, the best part of this episode. 

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1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

The Custody of Avery is like a friggin' never-ending series unto itself.  And now with 'special guest star' kristina butting in like she has any say in anything.  

I was wondering if it would be reasonable to hold saving Kristina from drowning after the Accidental Defenestration against Joss and I have decided, yes, it is perfectly reasonable. Get thee to a therapist, Kristina. 

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1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

Speaking of hypocrites, oh, look, there's Sasha sticking her nose into Willow's life while hiding the fact that she's carrying Willow's children's half-sibling. And then Sasha gets all pissed in her later scenes about people sticking their nose into her life. She has less than zero self-awareness.

I've read a good number of older posts that speak positively of Sasha but since I started watching again after the fire at Sonny's, what I've seen of her has left me a lot less than impressed.  As KerleyQ and others have said, she's judgy as hell and directs that disapproving judgement at someone who's certainly no worse than she is.

Speaking of Willow, has she ever been anything but the Little Nell tied to the railroad tracks airhead she is now?  She seems to have all the depth of an empty box.

Kate Mansi seems to have brought all the worst aspects of the character she played on DOOL and doubled down on them. 

I wasn't too thrilled about Trina at first but I take it back.  She seems as nice as Willow presents, but with some substance.  I don't know about this romance with Kai but I'm liking Trina.  Kai's name could be Plot Point, at least at this stage.

The older actors, the legacy characters like Laura and Anna, Kristina, Alexis, Traci, all still have it and bring it, IMO.  MEK seems good as Martin Grey as does Jeff Kober as the odious Cyrus.

CM hisses and glowers just like he did on AMC and he does it with the exact same lack of charm.  That's the best I can about him.

There sure are a LOT of kids in Port Charles these days!

I still don't understand how anyone could think Jason fathered Sasha's child, or any child, for that matter.  Sex appeal and that guy aren't even on speaking terms.  I can more easily envision him opening a door in his chest to change the batteries than I can him in any sort of romantic entanglement.

Best of all storylines to me right now has to be Elizabeth and Lucky.  Those two still bring it, bigtime.

I know it won't last, but it's sure been nice to see so little of Sonny

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Okay. I have to get this straight. 

Sasha sleeps with Michael.
Sasha gets pregnant. 
Sasha decides that Michael can't acknowledge the baby coz ooh. Corinthoses are evil (true) and Quatermaines are well Q's. (Whatever but we'll roll with it)

So Sasha's big. plan to "protect her baby." is to bleat to everyone that Jason WHO IS A HITMAN FOR THE CORINTHOS FAMILY AND IS A QUATERMAINE is the father of said baby?

Like say that one out loud Sasha and ask yourself if that makes a lick of sense.  like seriously, writers, repeating the trigger that caused 20+ years of unnecessary harm to the Q's over and over again is not a good look especially when it makes zero sense. 

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I know soap characters make ridiculous choices all the time. But if the ONLY reason a character does something absurd is "so this story will work," you (as the writers) need to rethink. Find a plausible motivation for your characters to do what they do, and if you can't, then the story doesn't work and you need to scrap it.

Why doesn't Sasha just say she got pregnant from a one-night stand with a rando? The best lies are the ones closest to the truth, and that's true except for the "rando" part. Maybe it's a little embarrassing to say "yeah, I didn't actually catch his name," but personally, I would find it a lot more embarrassing to say I banged my ex-boyfriend's 60 year-old hitman uncle.

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