Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

"No one wants Michael to suffer," his family agrees, as he writhes in agony. No one suggested they pay the doctor at the German clinic to treat Michael at GH. That would be a decent compromise, but we know CD is leaving.

And LOL that Michael would be in better shape if Willow wasn't talking to Michael, when they're waiting for Jason to find Sasha before they put him under again. And of course he codes while Willow is in there, so Carly can yell at her for yet another reason. Ugh. 

Anna, if you're so tired of other people getting caught in traps set for Sonny, do your job and arrest him. You still have Cyrus's statement about Sonny beating him up. Use it.

Calling Jason for help with Q problems? Oh, Anna.

"You didn't know Carly and Sonny were manipulating you." And Willow doesn't know that Drew is also manipulating Willow.

Who's going to take care of Donna and Avery while Carly is in Germany? That should get Ava custody of Avery.

[TVbitch]

Boo! I was hoping maybe they lowkey got rid of Natalia! No one would have noticed or cared! 

So WSB dollars and resources are doing Carly's bidding once again. Hope my taxes aren't paying for that!  

[Desperado]

I was really looking forward to a new episode, but then…

The character of Sonny does love his kids so his refusal to have Avery stay away from him, and the revisiting of the custody rings hollow to me. It’s not as if he ever found out Ava knew about his pills being messed with, and holds a grudge.

We’re supposed to think he still believes she pushed Kristina?

Meanwhile, he still ain’t dead yet and they don’t know what to do with Jason so they make him fetch Sasha (oops! Too late!) and try to reason with Tracy. Fun times!

Speaking of Tracy, although I enjoy her interactions with Not-Tad (his bye wave made me LOL), the whole thing of her refusing to hand the kids over to their mother is ridiculous and I’m tired of watching her act like an entitled child.

You have a guy in excruciating pain awaken to solve an argument, everyone is yelling at each other all episode, and those that aren’t are talking to a biggot and a psychopath.

 I’m thinking of pausing my viewing again until you tell me things are better.

[KittyQ]

FWIW, They're doing a great job of depicting the kinds of family disputes that arise in a crisis. 

Only on TV could someone not only arrange for special treatment in a foreign country on short notice but engage a private jet (with nurse!) at the same time. Most people can't get an appointment with their primary physician in less than two weeks.

Also, shouldn't there be point where the jet nurse actually confers with Michael's doctors, so she (or he) understands his case? 

I normally go along with Tracy, but playing keep-away with kids that aren't even hers is a terrible thing to do. Invoking poor, sick Monica (RIP LC) is even worse. 

 

[norahs99]

1 hour ago, Desperado said:

I’m thinking of pausing my viewing again until you tell me things are better.

If you decided to take a break until things are 'better,' I'm afraid you could be in for a looooooong hiatus!

[jqdeco]

So why hasn’t anyone thought to call Uri or the nanny? I assume they have cell phones . Call them to find out where they are and pick up the kids or instruct them to bring the kids to the police station. This isn’t rocket science.

[statsgirl]

How is it that Sidwell is swanning around town, buying islands and art, and Jason/Felicia/Anna/Lucky/Sasha never runs into him? Not to mention that Super Spy Brennan with the satellite surveliance has no idea that he is there?

As much as I hate Carly yelling at Willow when Michael has a relapse, it is in character. Remember Carly,  who wanted to wake Michael up?

Sonny telling Carly that Willow and Michael still love each other -- Drew, that is the death knell for you. Are they the new Sonny-and-Carly?

Alexis asking Ava hows she would feel if someone treated Avery the way she was treating Kristina was a nice move. Also good acting by both NLG and MW.

2 hours ago, JMO said:

I wouldn't mind if Anna and Brennan kept up their frenemies relationship.  It works for me, and ever-so-slightly fills in the Robert-sized hole in her life.

I thought that was the most chemistry on today's show. Certainly it beat Tracy/Martin and Carly/Brennan who we are supposed to be excited about. And Willow/Drew who I don't see anyone excited about

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Who's going to take care of Donna and Avery while Carly is in Germany? That should get Ava custody of Avery.

Again, typical of Carly and Sonny. I bet they'll ask Jason to move in and he will. Or if not, Joss.

They will probably use Donna and Avery as the reason Carly returns to Port Charles sooner than I want her to.

Edited Yest. at 11:15 PM by statsgirl

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, Desperado said:

I’m thinking of pausing my viewing again until you tell me things are better.

Same. While there are a few stories I'm still interested in, I'm also pretty fatalistic about the upcoming Gio reveal.  Though if it freed up Chase I might reconsider. 

That neither Anna or Brennan is aware of Sidwell buying Windermere is really disappointing. While I was originally okay with Sidwell popping in occasionally to create chaos, this isn't what I envisioned. (Or what @statsgirl said.)

[JMO]

I am completely befuddled by the Sidwell thing.  Wasn't Brennan looking at him for blowing up the warehouse where Sasha had been stashed?  Doesn't Jason blame him for it, too?  Wouldn't Lucky and Anna also like to go after him for holding them prisoner?  I mean, the guy isn't even using an alias.  

Maybe he's got all of PC under some kind of hypnotic spell.

[DanaK]

I was pretty entertained with the scenes of Tracy in interrogation and characters throwing historical truth bombs at each other

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, DanaK said:

I was pretty entertained with the scenes of Tracy in interrogation and characters throwing historical truth bombs at each other

ooh like what? 
I love truth bombs, esp the historical kind 

[ciarra]

34 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Not to mention that Super Spy Brennan with the satellite surveliance has no idea that he is there?

Yes.  Shouldn't a super spy agency have some sort of AI facial identity software, going through camera feeds?  Since Port Charles has the most surveillance cameras, except for that one spot of isolated road, where everyone runs into each other. 

[sacrebleu]

1 hour ago, jqdeco said:

So why hasn’t anyone thought to call Uri or the nanny? I assume they have cell phones . Call them to find out where they are and pick up the kids or instruct them to bring the kids to the police station. This isn’t rocket science.

Thank you!!! I was coming to post this... Willow never thought to call the nanny!?!? Is that because Drew hasn't given her the idea yet?

And if Drew ( not Willow) is the issue, why can't Willow just stay in the gatehouse with the kids while Michael is in Germany.

And please tell me Carly will be off screen for a while with Michael in Germany.... I am so sick of her.

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

the whole thing of her refusing to hand the kids over to their mother is ridiculous and I’m tired of watching her act like an entitled child.

The only good thing about that is Tracy ragging on Drew, and then his ultra lame parting shot that @mostlylurking mentioned upthread. I'm sure that cut her to the quick.

45 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

How is it that Sidwell is swanning around town, buying islands and art, and Jason/Felicia/Anna/Lucky/Sasha never runs into him? Not to mention that Super Spy Brennan with the satellite surveliance has no idea that he is there?

This cracks me up to no end. You'd think Lucy would be running around town crowing about her superrich new client, Jens Sidwell, but now is when she decides to keep her mouth shut? 

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Remember Carly, who wanted to wake Michael up?

Yeah, but Willow agreed to it. The consequences are pretty predictable.

1 minute ago, sacrebleu said:

Willow never thought to call the nanny!?!? Is that because Drew hasn't given her the idea yet?

LOL. Martin didn't think of it either. Nor did Jason, who is supposed to be the cooler head prevailing here.

[absnow54]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Who's going to take care of Donna and Avery while Carly is in Germany? That should get Ava custody of Avery.

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Sonny sent them to stay with Tracy. 

[Grinaldi]

So...whose heart is Sonny gettin'?

[Sake614]

3 hours ago, JMO said:

What I don't get is why the writers decided to give Sonny such a relatively common medical problem and then proceed to completely misrepresent it on screen.

Yeah my mom had a-fib. She didn’t take nitro, never experienced heart attack type symptoms. She needed a pacemaker and to be put on blood thinners. This whole portrayal is stupid. It would make perfect sense for him to have a heart attack after everything he’s been through. The stress of being a mobster, losing Morgan, almost losing Michael…but if you’re going to give him A-fib, learn what it is!

[perkie1968]

Line of the day;
Tracy: What are you doing here?
Anna:  Jason is here to explain the booking process and what the inside of a cell looks like
Me: BURN!!
 

[DanaK]

9 minutes ago, Daisy said:

ooh like what? 
I love truth bombs, esp the historical kind 

By historical, I meant family history. One being Drew telling Tracy after all her posturing about being concerned about Monica, she never liked Monica especially after Alan gave the house to Monica instead of Tracy

I’m really liking the friendship between Sasha and Maxie

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, DanaK said:

By historical, I meant family history. One being Drew telling Tracy after all her posturing about being concerned about Monica, she never liked Monica especially after Alan gave the house to Monica instead of Tracy

I’m really liking the friendship between Sasha and Maxie

how would Drew even know that?   like there were countless times Tracy has been there (or showed a lot of care and concern) for Monica. 

 

[tessaray]

20 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Yeah my mom had a-fib. She didn’t take nitro, never experienced heart attack type symptoms. She needed a pacemaker and to be put on blood thinners. This whole portrayal is stupid. It would make perfect sense for him to have a heart attack after everything he’s been through. The stress of being a mobster, losing Morgan, almost losing Michael…but if you’re going to give him A-fib, learn what it is!

I hate to defend these writers even a little but a-fib can occur alongside other serious cardiac issues. (Did Sonny ever get a full workup?)

If they wanted me to care about Sonny unconscious on the floor, they failed. I might have cared about SMike, though even that would have been iffy after Cates. 

Edited 2 hours ago by tessaray

[GHScorpiosRule]

Story-wise, I get why Tracy was arrested, and I do agree neither she or Monica have any say where the SLS’s spawn live or with who? Whom? That said, what FUCKING right or authority does Drew have over the PCPD, to tell them who to arrest? Martin was STOOPID to let Drew tell him what to do, considering he’s supposed to be Willow’s attorney, even though Nina hired him.

Boy, do I miss Jake Meyer.

[JMO]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Story-wise, I get why Tracy was arrested, and I do agree neither she or Monica have any say where the SLS’s spawn live or with who? Whom? That said, what FUCKING right or authority does Drew have over the PCPD, to tell them who to arrest? Martin was STOOPID to let Drew tell him what to do, considering he’s supposed to be Willow’s attorney, even though Nina hired him.

Boy, do I miss Jake Meyer.

Jake will always be my favorite GH lawyer, and he is sorely missed.

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

a-fib can occur alongside other serious cardiac issues. (Did Sonny ever get a full workup?)

I guess he saw an off screen doctor because I don’t recall Isaiah giving him an Rx for nitro, but he had a full bottle. Of course if he told the doctor that he continues to have chest pain, the doctor would have admitted him to the hospital for a full work up. Even if that hospital is a private clinic where no one knows who he is. 

[Artsda]

Anna calls Jason to deal with Tracy not Ned? Good for Martin for calling her out on it and reminding her of what her job is. 

Hopefully Carly stays the entire time Michael is gone.

Why can't they comprise Willow moves back with kids, no Drew. I'm thinking that's what Jason has come to say. 

Ava didn't care about Avery blowing up when she was manipulating him to live there and kick Nina out. 

 

[ciarra]

Carly:  I asked Joss to pack my things and bring them to the airport.

Me:  I wish Joss would pack some weird things for Carly to wear.  Stuff that clashes, an all-lace thong, the 80's Halloween costume where she went as Madonna. 

[Mirabelle]

Who is working the counter at Kelly's if Carly is away yelling at Michael to fight with everything he has to recover and Joss is busy being a Girl Detective?

Edited 19 hours ago by Mirabelle

[McRibs]

Am I the only one who wanted to see Jason rearrange Drews face in the chapel today? Also, not to nitpick, but those are not nitro pills or “Nitro-Quick”that Sunny is grabbing for. I’m guessing they are supposed to be, but they wouldn’t show up well on camera, so they colored them almost to look as if they’re beta blockers. IMO 

also, is Carly supposed to be leaving for a while?

[Daisy]

why is this even up for debate? if you can go to Johns Hopkins which is established why would you choose for an experimental treatment? that make no sense

[absnow54]

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

why is this even up for debate? if you can go to Johns Hopkins which is established why would you choose for an experimental treatment? that make no sense

Because then he’ll have ugly burn scars! This is what Carly seemed most concerned about. This experimental Soap clinic will keep him camera ready at all times. They’ll even give him a new face if they have to. 

8 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

Who is working the counter at Kelly's if Carly is away yelling at Michael to fight with everything he has to recover and Joss is busy being a Girl Detective?

Lulu is the obvious conclusion, the writers are set on making her BLQs assistant so they can set up a Dynasty style cat fight into the Metro Court pool.

Then there’s Lucky, who could probably juggle Bobbie’s by day and Charley’s by night. Ooo! Ooo! Elizabeth is on leave from the hospital! She could pick up the apron and give Lucky a hand while they continue to revive my 90s loving heart!

[YaddaYadda]

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

why is this even up for debate? if you can go to Johns Hopkins which is established why would you choose for an experimental treatment? that make no sense

Yeah, but when Drew showed up and Willow told him Michael was going to Germany for treatment, he was taken aback by it because he thought Michael would be sent to Hopkins, which seems to indicate that this was his idea in the first place since Willow is a brain dead moron who can't think for herself unless her cult leader tells her to.

[dubbel zout]

Michael barely seems stable. I don't get why they didn't have him go to Johns Hopkins first, then the German clinic for followup treatment. What's the big rush? He'd still be offscreen, Carly could still be with him every second (as if), and the possibility of Michael getting a new face remains.

Edited 9 hours ago by dubbel zout

[Daisy]

21 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Michael barely seems stable. I don't get why they didn't have him go to Johns Hopkins first, then the German clinic for followup treatment. What's the big rush? He'd still be offscreen, Carly could still be with him every second (as if), and the possibility of Michael getting a new face remains.

that's basically my thing. isn't the more pressing thing making sure that Michael...lives? Carly is focused on how he'll look down the road but if he dies no one is gonna care that he looks pretty in the casket. 

[Desperado]

You don’t really think LW will be off-screen for more than a day, do you?

I’m wondering if the Germany clinic choice, organized by Brennan, means we’ll see Carly and maybe Joss help him with something over there.

If CD’s departure would’ve been permanent I could’ve seen her go with him, then come back to announce his death. Maybe she’ll do it as a fake out as it would be easier to do there than if he had been taken to Hopkins.

Either way, Carly will remain on our screen.

[Daisy]

Honestly, I get that CD is burnt out, his kid is little and his dad passed away so he needs some time to decompress - but I still don't understand why they just don't use Temp Michael.  as much as i abhor him - he is pretty pivotal to a lot of stories. 

[MarciNJ]

16 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

So...whose heart is Sonny gettin'?

maybe they can dig up Sam?  I mean, her liver was magical, why not her heart?

[absnow54]

12 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Honestly, I get that CD is burnt out, his kid is little and his dad passed away so he needs some time to decompress - but I still don't understand why they just don't use Temp Michael.  as much as i abhor him - he is pretty pivotal to a lot of stories. 

He’s got so much going on right now between his divorce/custody, feud with Drew/fraudulent corporate takeover, and secret baby. This is a terrible time to take him off canvas. I guess they can hold off for 6 months to a year to allow Drew to take on a paternal role to Wiley and Amelia (although he seems to be on the whodunit victim fast track) and for Jason and Sasha to fall in love (how many love interests will he lose to his uncles?)

2 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

maybe they can dig up Sam?  I mean, her liver was magical, why not her heart?

Sonny will join the digitalis investigation. “How am I supposed to get a… a HEART transplant? When this… bastard keeps taking the… the one… the one thing I NEED!”

[mostlylurking]

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Michael barely seems stable. I don't get why they didn't have him go to Johns Hopkins first, then the German clinic for followup treatment. What's the big rush? He'd still be offscreen, Carly could still be with him every second (as if), and the possibility of Michael getting a new face remains.

that's basically my thing. isn't the more pressing thing making sure that Michael...lives? Carly is focused on how he'll look down the road but if he dies no one is gonna care that he looks pretty in the casket. 

We are on the same wave length.  Why is she so concerned about what he will look like when he’s barely surviving right now??  Let’s make sure he lives first, then worry about the scarring.

[kitmerlot1213]

20 hours ago, JMO said:

I wouldn't mind if Anna and Brennan kept up their frenemies relationship.  It works for me, and ever-so-slightly fills in the Robert-sized hole in her life.

I enjoyed their verbal sparring as well--it has the give and take of two people who know, like and respect each other and it could easily morph into actual flirting but that won't happen because the poor man has to interact with Carly.

I was watching the Ava, Kristina and Alexis scenes and I realized that KM is playing Kristina exactly as she played Abigail on Days, like there's this deep core of unpleasantness to her.  

[PatsyandEddie]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Honestly, I get that CD is burnt out, his kid is little and his dad passed away so he needs some time to decompress - but I still don't understand why they just don't use Temp Michael.  as much as i abhor him - he is pretty pivotal to a lot of stories. 

I don’t get it either. Robert Adamson has done it multiple times so he’s acquainted with cast and characters. Plus, IMHO, he can act. Makes no sense except as a money saving device. 

[Daisy]

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

We are on the same wave length.  Why is she so concerned about what he will look like when he’s barely surviving right now??  Let’s make sure he lives first, then worry about the scarring.

Yeah. like is he getting the same quality treatment at Hopkins and i'm missing something but it seems not because y'all have those same thoughts too. and then so the SHOW (and people who loathe Willow right now) are making US be like yah why arne't we team Germany clinic when Johns Hopkins is a specialist in burn damage. (not to mention this is a MASSIVE trauma. he'll need therapy etc). I know Carly is always tone deaf - but she's really tone deaf here in this regards. 

 

1 hour ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I don’t get it either. Robert Adamson has done it multiple times so he’s acquainted with cast and characters. Plus, IMHO, he can act. Makes no sense except as a money saving device. 

yeah. like i'm not going to miss Chad the actor one bit. but Frank loves him so...

 

 

[statsgirl]

15 hours ago, McRibs said:

 Also, not to nitpick, but those are not nitro pills or “Nitro-Quick”that Sunny is grabbing for. I’m guessing they are supposed to be, but they wouldn’t show up well on camera, so they colored them almost to look as if they’re beta blockers. IMO

They clarified it today: diltiazem

Quote

Diltiazem, sold under the brand name Cardizem among others, is a nondihydropyridine calcium channel blocker medication used to treat high blood pressure, angina, and certain heart arrhythmias

Natalia put a pill under his tongue and he recovered so nitro then.

Edited 3 hours ago by statsgirl

[mostlylurking]

We are still on this hiding the kids bullshit?!  I love Tracy as much as the next person but honestly Dante needs to throw her in a cell and forget the key for a few days. She’s been insufferable with her superior attitude of being too rich to go to jail and asking for bottled water when let’s not forget SHE DOES NOT HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON.  If she was in the right ok, let them have it.  I’m so over this.

Ugh now Cody is trying to get money from Spinelli for that dating app or whatever the fuck that I had totally forgotten about.  Spin has his problems, but Cody is such a sad sack.  He’s like the eyeore of the show.  Go away.

[ljr]

Why did they have to burn michael? Why  couldn’t they just recast him? 
 

When will Sonny go into the light?

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 minutes ago, ljr said:

Why did they have to burn michael? Why  couldn’t they just recast him? 

Because the show runner put out a statement that he was not going to recast the role.

[statsgirl]

Sasha should not be far enough along to have baby brain yet. "Willow is such a different person, we need to keep her children from her." So ridiculous. It's not like either Willow or Drew are going to abuse the kids.

Anyone surprised that Natalia is going to spend the night looking over on Sonny? Even less surprising than Gio's paternity.

Does Port Charles really need another upscale drinking establishment? Between The Metro Court, The Savoy and whatever the place is where Cyrus works, expensive places are pretty much covered. The only affordable ones seem to be Bobbie's, the coffee shop with the plants growing out of the walls, and the restaurant Stella knows. And the Brown Dog which writers can't seem to decide is a biker bar or undergrad hangout. Personally I would be dropping the new Charlie's off my list.

So Martin's theory is that Cyrus regrets not euthanizing his mother sooner? Okaaay.

They really, really don't know what to do with Cody. That was not fun.

[KittenPokerCheater]

It's starting to feel like CH is just taking a six month, unpaid leave.  I'm sorry they won't use the temp recast for while he is away.

[TVbitch]

There is a dwindling handful of characters that I can still root for, or at least tolerate. Now I have to add Sasha and Cody to the asshole pile. Tracy is at bat. Lulu is on deck. I guess at least if I hate everyone, I won't mind as much if the show gets cancelled.

PS. My ass Lucky needed fucking Brick to break up that fight for him. (Sorry for the language ..I am salty today.🤭) 

[MarciNJ]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Because the show runner put out a statement that he was not going to recast the role.

they've changed their minds before....  not a fan of Chad, but the character has great potential in the right hands...

[Daisy]

While i don't like the whole acting childish bit, Tracy generally sees 10 steps ahead. and to me it's not so much she wants the children away from Willow - she doesn't want Drew around them. nd the fact that everyone is commenting on  Drew is manipulating Willow it's making me wonder if they are leading up to something. 

 

 

(this doesn't condone the baby hoarding. i'm just reading the room with the little i get to see. when Nina, Carly AND Tracy are all saying/thing the same thing something's up)