Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[driver18]

12 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Oh I love Sasha and always have.  I also think she's a fantastic actress, and don't understand why people would say she is bad.  Are people saying that?  I think she's better than many actually.  She blows Mansi out of the water IMHO, for one example. 

Oh, you won't hear me calling KM good, lol. The issue with SM is that she tends to be stiff in her delivery at times most likely due to her holding onto the American accent.

[CeChase]

3 minutes ago, driver18 said:

Oh, you won't hear me calling KM good, lol. The issue with SM is that she tends to be stiff in her delivery at times most likely due to her holding onto the American accent.

Oh does she have a different accent IRL?  I didn't know that.  For me, she is very emotive and she always gets me in the feelings.  

[30 Helens]

20 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I love how Felicia didn't blink when Sasha told her she got injured when she was kidnapped and almost blown up. FINALLY someone realizes they live in Port Charles, where this stuff is commonplace.

This legit cracked me up. “I just got kidnapped, held for hostage, and almost died in a fiery explosion!” “Oh… that’s too bad.”

8 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

The best thing they could do with this revelation is to lean into Sasha’s con artist past, because the willowy victim isn’t working. Maybe she can fill the PI void that Sam left behind (run the pesky dog lady out of town.) It would be a good opportunity to chem test her with JJ. 

I’m with you on the first part. For me, the biggest problem with Sasha is she’s so blandly nice and a perpetual victim. If she could become even a bit more devious, she’d be a lot more interesting.

No to the JJ pairing, though. I don’t think SM is a terrible actress, but JJ is leagues beyond. I think making them scene partners would just highlight her limitations. (I also think we’re heading towards a Lucky/Lizzy reunion, so there’s that.)

22 hours ago, jsbt said:

People love to bang on about Lucky but JJ is out here selling and has a lot of ties.

When I first read this, I had an image of JJ on the side of the GH set, hawking his new line of neckwear. Like, are ties the new MonaVie? Hee.

[jsbt]

Willow and Sasha should've been wished into the cornfield years ago.

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, driver18 said:

Based on board commentary here, I may be in the minority, but making Sasha Robert and Holly's daughter FINALLY made her interesting to me. Yes, Sofia Mattson isn't the greatest actress (although she's a beautiful crier), but she's gorgeous, and projects an incredible likable warmth. 

 

I’ll join the others who say they’ve always liked Sasha. I think the actress is good. In theory, I wouldn’t have an issue with making her Robert and Holly’s daughter, except that it’s pointless and because of the sloppy writing. It doesn’t make sense to do this when we know Holly is leaving and Robert is probably joining her (it makes no sense to have Robert decide he can’t live without her no matter how many times she screws him over and then he just stays behind). It’s not just not liking the cheating aspect as a Robert/Anna fan. It doesn’t seem to make sense timing-wise from what was happening on-screen at the time.  

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

like my rebel thing is this - I really don't think Drew is being creepy. (I think CamMat is trying really hard bless his heart to make this work) but the COTD on youtube was the "you're blushing" scene and I was like i can buy this. it doesn't seem creepy or stalkerish or whaever it seems soap operaish. 

 

again i kinda like Sasha. but legit. let's just buy her a puppy. or at least a stuffed elephant. those are cool. 

(and i am also severely rolling my eyes at people wanting Michael to basically read Drew and WIllow for filith as if he hasn't cheated on Willow too AND hasn't cheated in the past. he is not as pure as the freshly fallen snow here). 

I already explained why I don’t like these latest developments, but IA in not finding Drew creepy. It’s all basically the very definition of sleazy, but I don’t think he’s stalking her or taking advantage. 

1 hour ago, driver18 said:

OK, I mostly love Sasha and Nina, but I disagree that Nina and Nelle and Willow didn't make sense. They totes laid the groundwork for both of them. Nina and Nelle's VERY first scene together lays that down. The fact that it was NINA who ran the article about Joss' kidney that helped bring Nelle out of the woodworking, then Nelle worked for her. Of course, there was all the obvious Willow stuff, tge Charlotte class stuff, Nina and her grappling with each other, but the Nelle stuff was there too, no doubt planned as the 'ooh! Shock' reveal after dust had started to settle with Willow.

The kink in their plans came when Chloe Lanier decided not to re-sign. 

As for Drew and Willow, I agree that it's soapy goodness, lol! I don't think Drew is stalking her, because it's obvious she wants him too. I do think he's taking advantage of her, buuut, she's not even trying to fight him. OTOH, this woman has severe psychological damage, I can't even...how that is not being explored, such a waste.

As for Sasha and the Robert/Holly retconning of it all. Uhm, yeah. But this is a soap opera. Luke Spencer would NEVER have cheated on Laura. EVER. But we got Ethan, and Luke whorin' all over the globe cuz reasons. Drew was utterly devoted Scout, a family man, and now he's a slimy, two-timing hound dog cuz reasons. Retcons happen all the time. GH has been on the air for decades, it's just, yeah. 

IA about Nina/Nelle/Willow. As much as I loathed Nelle, it all made sense. And, while I don’t like certain aspects of their storyline, I like the dynamic between Willow/Nina. I like the chemistry and relationship between Sasha/Nina as well, but it’s not necessary for her to be her kid.

45 minutes ago, Daisy said:

yeah. but i'm consistent. i whinged about that too. especially because it was Tony Geary throwing a tantrum that he wanted a son who wasn't Greg Vaughan. I know that it's a soap and they make retcons happen, but make the retcon make sense is all i'm asking. I would have bought Ethan being Robert's a LOT more than Ethan being Luke's. and the fact that they're basically running the same story again just.. it's a no for me. 

Like I can actually buy this Drew. and again I don't even think it's slimy. outside of it's your nephew's wife. but the reasons why Drew could be acting this way is actually pretty sensical. [mostly because this show refuses to have anyone actually EVER visit Kevin). he was captured [didn't really get anything for that], rushed into a relationship with Carly, was pushed aside for Jason, got beat up in jail and is probably just triggered a LOT of stuff. and now here is a woman blowing smoke up his butt and obviously doesn't "want him to leave." and he feels important. that all makes sense to me. what would make more sense if they realized that they BOTH need to see Kevin. 

 

and i'm not talking about the story plots and the obvious We're repeating stuff that we did with Sam & Alexis stuff. I just mean. it would have worked equally well with Sasha and instead of having a massive. obvious "I always hated you. oh look we're close." thing. you could have it like "i was Conning you but oh acutally. you actually ARE who i want you to be." it still works, and as I said Sasha & Nina work a lot better together than Willow and Nina. just my cents on that.

Like. honestly sometimes i feel (and i'm guilty of it too) we just say "it's a Soap Opera" as if it's supposed to wipe away everything that we have a problem with. Yes. soaps do bend time and space to their will but it should also be stemmed in realism. it's one thing to adjust someone's age (and sometimes you just.. have to be "whatever tell the story" (someone brought up on how DOOL, Sami who was already a teen mother, had a massive relationship AND KIDS with someone who was born on screen  about 2 years after her kid was).  but when you're actually destroying characters and a lot more actual relevant history to shove a square peg into the round hole it should be, no. respect the history. find some way else to introduce the story that doesn't spit on it.  that's all. 

Agreed about what the ultimate issue is with certain retcons. Yeah soaps have always had them, but I think people have a right to complain or have issues with it when they don’t make sense and basically insult the audience’s intelligence. Like, I’m fine with Cody being Mac’s son, but there was a way to do it that fit. Mac came on to the show when he was an adult. He could have easily had a kid running around out there. But, the show chose to make him have a kid when he was on the canvas at a time that wouldn’t make sense. 

[dubbel zout]

31 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Oh does she have a different accent IRL? 

She's Swedish, so English isn't her first language. Her English is more precisely pronounced than a lot of Americans.

[YaddaYadda]

46 minutes ago, driver18 said:

The issue with SM is that she tends to be stiff in her delivery at times most likely due to her holding onto the American accent.

I don't think so. I've seen her in a Netflix show (one episode) that she was in a few years ago where she spoke both Swedish and English with a Swedish accent and there wasn't a whole lot of difference in her delivery, imo. It was a 2 minute at the start of the episode, mind you, but I thought it encompassed her acting pretty well.

[Asp Burger]

1 hour ago, sashabear21 said:

I’m voting puppy for Sasha! I remember the times when SWSNBN was occasionally bearable only because she was sharing screen time with a Golden Retriever. 

I did love me some Rosie. She had amazing chemistry with everyone, even the Dylan Cash Michael, and really lifted the scenes she was in.

[mostlylurking]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:23 PM, Katy M said:

And what time is it anyway? 

This has also been distracting me!  When Sam first went into cardiac arrest it was already early evening at least since the kids were going trick or treating.  Then A LOT happened, but it all was still the same day.  Was it like 3am??  And why were Robert and Brennan still working?

[driver18]

40 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't think so. I've seen her in a Netflix show (one episode) that she was in a few years ago where she spoke both Swedish and English with a Swedish accent and there wasn't a whole lot of difference in her delivery, imo. It was a 2 minute at the start of the episode, mind you, but I thought it encompassed her acting pretty well.

Ah, I really thought it was because of the accent. So, it's just her acting style. OK. Well, I still like her. I don't think she's great, or terrible. She does some things beautifully and is very rootable. Just has a stiff delivery at times. But I like her. Still, if they could find a dynamic pairing for her... yeah!!

Edited November 12 by driver18

[mostlylurking]

On 11/10/2024 at 2:08 PM, Katy M said:

Michael and Willow? I mean I'm calling it planned if you're married and not doing anything to try to stop it.  I don't know if they were actively all like "we need a baby now."

I consider every pregnancy a planned pregnancy if you’re not actively trying to prevent it.  That’s what’s supposed to happen!  I’ve had fertility issues so this has always been a pet peeve of mine.

Edited November 12 by mostlylurking

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

No to the JJ pairing, though. I don’t think SM is a terrible actress, but JJ is leagues beyond.

Sidwell could have used a crate to stand on to threaten Sasha, because she towered over him.  I would suspect that JJ would need the same. 

 

25 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

on 11/10/2024 at 12:23 PM, Katy M said:

And what time is it anyway? 

The timeline is weird.  Alexis has (thankfully) changed out of her "Sam is dead"  clothes.  Diane is still working at her office.  Kristina is crashing into Natalia in the dark, Felicia is working the Patient Advocate night shift.

[jqdeco]

I’m one of the very few that have always loved Robert and Holly, but I do wish they would stop bringing ES back for short stays. I understand she had health issues and can’t do a long term arch, so stop bringing her back!  Let Robert be happy with Diane or Anna or someone new. 

[jqdeco]

I stand corrected. Robert and Holly are running off into the sunset together. At least for now.  

[mariah23]

Is this supposed to be a happy ending?

[Bringonthedrama]

Baby Daddy day for Elizabeth, huh? It's so disappointing (but not at all surprising) that Elizabeth of all people pressured Jason not to let anyone make him "give up Danny." And of course, he looked at her like she's lost it when she said he could live with the Quartermaines.

Why the need for Laura to call Lucky to come to the hospital? Doesn't he live with Laura right now? She was talking like she hadn't seen him in a while.

Diane declaring that Robert needs to go be with Holly because of the "love," him walking out with a sad/confused/give up expression like he's a very frail old man, and then Diane crying to Anna about how do you get over Robert ... so much WTF to me. Was this - Robert getting on the plane with Holly - seriously TR's last scene?!  Is he really not going to have any more scenes with his family/Anna or his newly discovered daughter?

"I don't know where home is anymore without Mom." The best line Danny has had with this actor in the role. He was good in his scenes with his Dad at the Qs. This scene (SB showing emotion) was the first time since Jason's return that I believed Jason feels real love for his son.

Good for Elizabeth for (finally) telling off Lucky about being a child abandoner. BHerbst was on fire!! Yes, Lucky, you deserve to feel those tears of shame. 

Laura, you can't make demands to Lulu. That's now how medicine works. 

I guess the Show is making the racist viewers happy since it's obvious Trina's new romance will be with the star black athlete who provoked her anger, instead of Gio. 

Edited November 12 by Bringonthedrama

[YaddaYadda]

So an exit s/l for Robert, Casablanca style?

Why did they even bother giving him another child? When Holly was having her scenes with Anna, all I could think was please leave and take Robert with you if that's the price to pay.

I felt sorry for Danny when he was talking about his relationship with Rocco and how the children don't want to be separated. My Lulu hate is bubbling back up to the surface. Laura's "pep talk" did not help.

Lucky is useless. He's a useless father, a useless sibling and a useless son. What kind of storyline do they have planned for him? And for all that's holy, please invest in a shampoo bottle. 

[dubbel zout]

I hope this isn't TR's goodbye, because Robert has a lot of people he needs to see before he goes. And way to make Robert look like a shit, using the standard PC deadbeat dad line: "Well, I wasn't a father for so long; why start now?"

32 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Laura's "pep talk" did not help.

Ugh, it was awful. Lulu shouldn't have had the transplant in the first place, and now we have Laura demanding she wake up.

Previews: Useless, pointless Gio being icky about BLQ and Chase trying to have a baby.

[Cheyanne11]

10 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Lulu shouldn't have had the transplant in the first place, and now we have Laura demanding she wake up.

A liver is not a brain! 

[TVbitch]

Why do Laura and others act like Lulu is not "trying" to wake up. Shaming her and guilting her about Sam's death and demanding she wake up is not appropriate. Imagine if she could hear them but just couldn't wake up. How awful! 

PS. You, Holly Sutton, are no Ingrid Bergman! 

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Imagine if she could hear them but just couldn't wake up.

My dream scenario, seriously. I want comatose patients to remember everything people have told them while they're unconscious, and when they wake up they spill it all and sit back and enjoy the chaos.

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I guess the Show is making the racist viewers happy since it's obvious Trina's new romance will be with the star black athlete who provoked her anger, instead of Gio. 

I don't know... Gio is pretty blah. I wouldn’t wish him on anyone. She got a meet cute with a new guy who seems to have an actual personality.  And it's nice to see spunky Trina make an appearance. 

Though the art major bumping into the star quarterback is clichéd, I can't quibble too much. There's a reason those stories are popular. 

[JMO]

Maybe he was able to forgive Holly, but if that was the last we're to see of the great Robert Scorpio, I won't be able to forgive these writers.  It's one thing to ruin a newbie, another entirely to disrespect and dismiss a 40+ year veteran.  No goodbyes to Anna, or Mac, or Felicia, or his brand new daughter.  Not a phone call to Robin.  No remembering the good and bad old days that went way beyond Holly.  No recapping of adventures, and triumphs and losses.  Maybe we'll find out that TR wanted it this way but, with this writing staff, it's entirely unlikely.  Just awful.  

[dubbel zout]

He also should say goodbye to Laura.

[jsbt]

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Why did they even bother giving him another child?

To LoJack Sasher onto the show in a more lasting fashion, evidently. Also someone on staff is clearly down very bad for Robert and Holly.

[absnow54]

40 minutes ago, JMO said:

Maybe he was able to forgive Holly, but if that was the last we're to see of the great Robert Scorpio, I won't be able to forgive these writers.  It's one thing to ruin a newbie, another entirely to disrespect and dismiss a 40+ year veteran.  No goodbyes to Anna, or Mac, or Felicia, or his brand new daughter.  Not a phone call to Robin.  No remembering the good and bad old days that went way beyond Holly.  No recapping of adventures, and triumphs and losses.  Maybe we'll find out that TR wanted it this way but, with this writing staff, it's entirely unlikely.  Just awful.  

Give him the Sean Donnelly treatment while he’s still with us. Surely Kimberly McCullough would dust off her acting shoes to see him off!

Edited November 12 by absnow54

[tessaray]

If this is Robert's exit, it was rushed and done on the cheap and yet, they kinda, sorta attempted to honor his history. At least he got to walk off into the fog and start his last chapter with Holly. It's not what I would have done but considering how frail he looked a few months back, I'll take it. 

[Auntie Velvet]

The Casablanca references were a little on the nose, but it was cute. I DID appreciate Robert saying that it was going to be a round trip.

[FilmTVGeek80]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I hope this isn't TR's goodbye, because Robert has a lot of people he needs to see before he goes. And way to make Robert look like a shit, using the standard PC deadbeat dad line: "Well, I wasn't a father for so long; why start now?"

 

I thought that was a really poor choice. I was confused at first because I thought when he started talking about there being too many wasted opportunities that he was referring to Sasha, but he was talking about his relationship with Holly. Still, it was pretty sad he had nothing to say about abandoning his newfound daughter (other than saying it would be a round trip). And, of course par for the course that worst mother Holly didn’t care at all about trying to convince Robert to bother spending time getting to know his daughter.

Newsflash show, you’re not the first to rip-off Casablanca but it feels like the laziest. It feels weird to call the reunion of a couple with this much history rushed and unearned, but that’s how it felt to me.

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I don't know... Gio is pretty blah. I wouldn’t wish him on anyone. She got a meet cute with a new guy who seems to have an actual personality.  And it's nice to see spunky Trina make an appearance. 

Though the art major bumping into the star quarterback is clichéd, I can't quibble too much. There's a reason those stories are popular. 

I think Gio has plenty of personality. He’s cute and sweet and has a mostly good-natured humor. It’s funny to me that so many complain about what a block of wood Dex is, but also complain about Gio. The Gio actor really does put his all into his scenes and does connect with a lot of his scene partners. It’s pathetic the show hasn’t figured out yet what to do with him after all this time, but that’s on the writers. And after Cameron left, I do think we need more characters in that age range.

So, so so clichè. And IMO not even a fun one. Two people meeting by bumping into each other is one of the oldest and, at this point, laziest meet-cutes.

[tessaray]

3 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

The Gio actor really does put his all into his scenes and does connect with a lot of his scene partners. It’s pathetic the show hasn’t figured out yet what to do with him after all this time, but that’s on the writers. And after Cameron left, I do think we need more characters in that age range.

I agree with you. Gio's boring character is all on the writers. But after writing him as crushing on Joss, I didn't want him for Trina at all. She deserves better. 

[CeChase]

I don't believe this is the last we see of Robert tho.  

[Katy M]

4 hours ago, ciarra said:

Sidwell could have used a crate to stand on to threaten Sasha, because she towered over him.  I would suspect that JJ would need the same. 

 

The timeline is weird.  Alexis has (thankfully) changed out of her "Sam is dead"  clothes.  Diane is still working at her office.  Kristina is crashing into Natalia in the dark, Felicia is working the Patient Advocate night shift.

I thought we were on the next day by then.  I mean Drew said we haven't had a chance to talk since we mauled each other on the nursery floor.  Doesn't seem like something you'd say 5 minutes later.  But, it is dark, so that would mean a whole day would have had to pass.   Unless they're having a weird ecliipse they haven't bothered mentioning.

[jsbt]

Aside from the joy of Madame the puppet Diane getting her heart broken, watching Robert totter off with trick-ass Holly at this point was depressing. That said I do think Tristan needs to retire; he's frail and looks increasingly lost onscreen, and I hate to say that.

I am glad Elizabeth told Lucky off. I get why people online are infuriated with it but I think the only way to deal with what has become of the character and his post-PC years is to have him backslide and be challenged - it makes sense for him that he'd do that. The problem with this approach, of course, is that this creative team rarely ever writes anything with depth or sustained focus for anyone for longer than a couple days. So I suspect what we'll get next is weeks or months of Lucky making an effort merely in the background of the main storylines (or talking about having done it offscreen) instead of having any real substantive storyline about it or discussions about these issues, and over time and through osmosis that's what will end up settling the past. Which I find meandering and lazy. OTOH they did little more than that for Felicia in 2012 and it worked, so who knows.

Nothing I could say about Trina and the new guy would be fair at this juncture other than to say I wish they'd cast the Black Quartermaine character that was rumored during PM's run instead. Do I find it surprising that the male of color who has appeared instead is a random newbie with no real ties or story frisson, summoning the spectre of Bryan and Claudia? No. As for the prior prospect of Gio and Trina, I'll just say again that poor Giovanni Mazza has a) a very nice body they seem intent on hiding and b) a character with the personality of amiable tofu, and I suspect he could be and do more. But am I surprised they didn't let her near him romantically after all? Again: No.

Edited November 13 by jsbt

[statsgirl]

 

3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

PS. You, Holly Sutton, are no Ingrid Bergman! 

The writers really shouldn't have tried for Casablanca. This was so embarrassing. And by the way, Ingrid Bergman was really in love with Humphrey Bogart, not the husband that she was leaving with.  Did the writers think that we haven't actually seen the movie? Robert promising that he and Holly would be back. Robert yes, Holly noooooo

So much for Sasha. She lost Cody (and Brando and Liam) and now she doesn't even have Robert.

And speaking of movie rip-offs, Trina/Kai is pure One On One (now there's a blast from the past).

Is Jason actually considering having Danny live with him? This I gotta see. [not] Even so, he's being a better dad than Lucky is. The women on this show really have to do the heavy lifting, Mac and the now departed Finn being the exceptions. (Robert lost his cred leaving Sasha to go off with Holly.)

8 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

 I'm voting for a puppy or kitten for Sasha. But honestly, Sasha deserves something positive to happen to her and for it to have some staying power.

I vote for a puppy because she at least could take him or her outside with her. I love cats but Sasha needs to get out and have a life.

It's not SM's accent for me but the awkward timing of her lines. She pauses in the strangest places, and then rushes through the next words. But I have to give her credit, she's improved a lot during her time on the show.

[jsbt]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's not SM's accent for me but the awkward timing of her lines. She pauses in the strangest places, and then rushes through the next words. But I have to give her credit, she's improved a lot during her time on the show.

Sasha's a slow talker. I've been saying it for years!

[FilmTVGeek80]

23 minutes ago, jsbt said:

Nothing I could say about Trina and the new guy would be fair at this juncture other than to say I wish they'd cast the Black Quartermaine character that was rumored during PM's run instead. Do I find it surprising that the male of color who has appeared instead is a random newbie with no real ties or story frisson, summoning the spectre of Bryan and Claudia?

We don’t know yet if he has no ties to anyone. When Trina first debuted she wasn't connected to anyone - other than through her friendship with Joss. Then we found out she was related to Taggert and they brought her mom on who was connected to Curtis. I don’t really see the need to connect him to anyone. It’s not going to matter to a lot of people anyway. Gio was brought on connected to Lois and Sonny and it hasn’t mattered. Oscar became related to Drew - becoming a Quartermaine and still a lot of people didn’t care. The only young male characters they’ve brought on the last few years who haven’t been connected to anyone was Rory and Dex. 
 

2 hours ago, tessaray said:

I agree with you. Gio's boring character is all on the writers. But after writing him as crushing on Joss, I didn't want him for Trina at all. She deserves better. 

I don’t recall Gio having a crush on Joss. I think he’s been chem tested with both Joss and Trina, but he’s never indicated having any romantic feelings for either of them.

[Francie]

My head canon will be that Robert escorted Holly offscreen as a favor to Sasha, the rest of Port Charles, and, meta-wise, all of us. In my head, he's all, "Jeez, the only way to make sure this woman leaves is to escort her on the plane myself."

I don't know why I don't have a stronger reaction to Anna dismissing her two marriages to Robert, the second one ending in their supposed deaths (as opposed to an acrimonious end) as "we had history." I think it's Tristian's all-too apparent health issues. It takes all the sport out of it. Best wishes to him. 

GH Night shift Season 2 was 1,000 times better, anyway. (Oh, there's still a tiny bit of bite left in me). 

Edited November 13 by Francie

[Artsda]

What planet is Liz on? Jason move into the family house he spit on?  Jason saying Drew would want to be with his daughter is funny. 

Jason a full time parent is a joke. He does not deserve to live in that house. 

Robert and Holly were cute together at the end. Glad him and Diane are done.  Isn't he the DA though? He just can leave town? 

[jsbt]

18 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

We don’t know yet if he has no ties to anyone. When Trina first debuted she wasn't connected to anyone - other than through her friendship with Joss. Then we found out she was related to Taggert and they brought her mom on who was connected to Curtis.

And Taggert is nowhere to be found today, while Charisma's Bermuda Triangle Curtis forges on. I've watched this show with this creative team long enough to know how they treat Black characters as an island unto themselves (usually all related). I'll believe Trina and Kai are going to be a major force as opposed to C-fodder like how Portia, Curtis, Jordan, T.J., etc. are treated when I see it. (And I don't even like Curtis or Jordan.) This seems like a simple realignment to keep the character where they prefer her to be now that Spencer is conveniently gone.

The issue here is if you introduce a new Q of color you have a buy-in with the audience and he can do all sorts of things story-wise quickly. I am not from the school of thought that says every newbie needs to be core and someone's secret kid, but it's been a hot minute since the Qs or any other core family had any characters of color (Valerie Spencer is on Mars, probably) and it would be a renewed opportunity for A-story for Trina. Unless of course, the show explicitly does not want her in more A-story.

Edited November 13 by jsbt

[absnow54]

19 minutes ago, jsbt said:

The issue here is if you introduce a new Q of color you have a buy-in with the audience and he can do all sorts of things story-wise quickly. I am not from the school of thought that says every newbie needs to be core and someone's secret kid, but it's been a hot minute since the Qs or any other core family had any characters of color (Valerie Spencer is on Mars, probably) and it would be a renewed opportunity for A-story for Trina. Unless of course, the show explicitly does not want her in more A-story.

I’m still wondering why Doctor Gannon isn’t Doctor Tommy Hardy Jr… 

[jsbt]

Just now, absnow54 said:

I’m still wondering why Doctor Gannon isn’t Doctor Tommy Hardy Jr… 

Because then FV couldn't mention or bring on more characters from One Life to Live.

[tessaray]

2 hours ago, jsbt said:

Do I find it surprising that the male of color who has appeared instead is a random newbie with no real ties or story frisson, summoning the spectre of Bryan and Claudia?

For the newer viewers, Bryan was Scotty's friend from law school and Claudia was a friend of Laura's. (Wasn't Claudia's father well-off and on the hospital board?) The writers incorporated them naturally from what I remember. True, they didnt last a terribly long time but they had a few storylines as young marrieds. I liked them and certainly never viewed them as token diversity  characters. But they were among the many victims of Luke and Laura taking the show in a different direction. 

So adding new characters from the students the younger ones meet in high school and college is a normal thing. Most of them don't stick (like Adam, thankfully).

The funniest part of the scene today was how Joss raved about the new guy and his football skills. It was her most animated dialog in ages.

If the character of Kai takes off, I'm sure he'll be found to have a PC connection at some point. Until then, I just think it will be nice to have a couple of fresh faces. But I don't understand why it's insulting to Trina to have the new cute guy be a PoC. As an Ashford, she's not in danger of disappearing. And as Joss's friend and Spencer's grieving love interest, she isn't being siloed. And we know Spencer will be recast at some point.

Eta: no character can be front and center all the time. Unless you're Carly, of course. 

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

don’t recall Gio having a crush on Joss. I think he’s been chem tested with both Joss and Trina, but he’s never indicated having any romantic feelings for either of them.

Not long after Joss and Trina moved in to their apartment, Joss was upset about something and Gio stuck around to keep her company. There was an awkward moment when it looked like he was about to kiss her but Joss was oblivious. At that point Joss and Dex were kind of on and off. And Gio seemed eager to console Joss. 🤷‍♀️

I have nothing against Gio (in theory)  but he has always seemed younger than Trina and Joss. 

Edited November 13 by tessaray

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, JMO said:

Maybe he was able to forgive Holly, but if that was the last we're to see of the great Robert Scorpio, I won't be able to forgive these writers.  It's one thing to ruin a newbie, another entirely to disrespect and dismiss a 40+ year veteran.  No goodbyes to Anna, or Mac, or Felicia, or his brand new daughter.  Not a phone call to Robin.  No remembering the good and bad old days that went way beyond Holly.  No recapping of adventures, and triumphs and losses.  Maybe we'll find out that TR wanted it this way but, with this writing staff, it's entirely unlikely.  Just awful.  

Not to mention, Robert is still the district attorney. What's he going to do, leave a note saying "Hey, ADA Lansing-Davis can handle all my responsibilities 'til you all decide what you want to do with my job. Deuces!" We know from his conversation with Diane that he was already aware (didn't react with surprise or shock) Sam has just died. He also is aware that Molly is Sam's sister, and he knows Molly and Sam's mother. Molly is going to need some time off to grieve/support her family in grief. I call total bullshit that Robert would leave without saying goodbyes to his loved ones and would also leave his job in such an unprofessional and inconsiderate manner, when he is aware of Molly's family loss(es).

44 minutes ago, jsbt said:

I am glad Elizabeth told Lucky off. I get why people online are infuriated with it but I think the only way to deal with what has become of the character and his post-PC years is to have him backslide and be challenged - it makes sense for him that he'd do that. The problem with this approach, of course, is that this creative team rarely ever writes anything with depth or sustained focus for anyone for longer than a couple days. So I suspect what we'll get next is weeks or months of Lucky making an effort merely in the background of the main storylines (or talking about having done it offscreen) instead of having any real substantive storyline about it or discussions about these issues,

   Infuriated? Ridiculous. Everything Elizabeth said was spot-on and Lucky deserved it since he wanted Elizabeth's blessing/absolution to abandon their son. I also think it's sloppy writing that Lucky and nuLucas haven't had a single conversation about memories of Mom/Aunt Bobbie or even of sister/cousin Lulu (when Lucky's supposed to be an important part of this storyline!. No scenes of Lucky and stepfather Kevin or even a mention that Lucky has acknowledged Kevin's presence while living at their place, no mention of Lucky developing a relationship with Ace, bare minimum interaction with his old friend/PCPD partner and ex-BIL Dante and not a single actual conversation with Lulu's son, his nephew. He's seen Aiden what, twice? 

It seems like the writers think it's important that Lucky has more than two scenes with Jason, Laura, and Elizabeth only (aside from newbie Isaiah).

[mostlylurking]

5 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Why do Laura and others act like Lulu is not "trying" to wake up. Shaming her and guilting her about Sam's death and demanding she wake up is not appropriate. Imagine if she could hear them but just couldn't wake up. How awful! 

PS. You, Holly Sutton, are no Ingrid Bergman! 

I was thinking the same thing!  They say patients in a coma can sometimes hear what’s going on.  I would be so pissed!  It was kind of comical that Laura was berating her like that.

I really hope this is the end of Holly.  She really wore out her welcome with me this time around.  Also doesn’t Robert have a job and a brother and oh yeah a daughter he never knew??  What a dumb send off, if that’s what it was.

 

Edited November 13 by mostlylurking

[mostlylurking]

I like the actor who plays Gio.  He’s very natural, and he’s cute.  He’s just pointless.  Like….why is Gio?  I have no idea.

Trina was way harsh!  I mean I get why she was mad but that was over the top.

I’m a Lucky/JJ fan but he deserved the verbal bitch slap he got from Liz.  And no one does it better.  Talk about pointless…the show is able to get a huge name back and this is what they do with him?

Neither one is in the running for father of the year but at least Jason is sticking around.  I liked the scene between him and Danny.  Danny is more concerned about his sister than her father is 🙄

Edited November 13 by mostlylurking

[ciarra]

5 hours ago, JMO said:

No recapping of adventures, and triumphs and losses.  Maybe we'll find out that TR wanted it this way but, with this writing staff, it's entirely unlikely.  Just awful.  

 

They couldn't even come up with a montage?  I guess they don't want to pay off-screen actors, like Kim Mc.

I'd have preferred Robert seeing Holly arrested for her various crimes, and him being awarded a top WSB job in Europe.

 

[tessaray]

20 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Trina was way harsh!  I mean I get why she was mad but that was over the top.

🙂 It's been a long while since I was a student but as someone who graduated with a good GPA, I get it. By not contributing he was messing with her GRADES!  Hell hath no fury like a girl about to lose her 4.0 GPA.

[statsgirl]

Figuring out what marks to give the different members of the  group on a group project i always hard but I can't believe that that TA didn't factor in the fact that Trina's partner didn't show up at all.

46 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

He also is aware that Molly is Sam's sister, and he knows Molly and Sam's mother. Molly is going to need some time off to grieve/support her family in grief. I call total bullshit that Robert would leave without saying goodbyes to his loved ones and would also leave his job in such an unprofessional and inconsiderate manner, when he is aware of Molly's family loss(es).

Sadly, I don't think that the writers care.

This writing crew is often far too superficial.

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, jsbt said:

Because then FV couldn't mention or bring on more characters from One Life to Live.

I am placing a bet with myself that Kai will turn out be Isaiah's brother and they conveniently have different last names like Finn and Chase did. 

Did the show even watch Casablanca? Bogart's character was selflessly urging Bergman's character to leave with her husband for the good of world despite how much he loved her.. Instead, we get Robert deciding to leave town without a word of goodbye to his brother, his ex-wife, his new daugther, and his long time friends. All for a woman who once again has to leave town after her greed and con games blew up in her face and everyone else had to clean up her mess.

[Bringonthedrama]

6 hours ago, tessaray said:

I don't know... Gio is pretty blah. I wouldn’t wish him on anyone. She got a meet cute with a new guy who seems to have an actual personality.  And it's nice to see spunky Trina make an appearance. 

Though the art major bumping into the star quarterback is clichéd, I can't quibble too much. There's a reason those stories are popular. 

My comment was about the Show's intention to pair Trina with a black man after all the hate that TA (Trina actress) got online for being in a storyline with (perceived Caucasian) Spencer played by NAC. I know Spencer was supposed to be half Greek since he was a Cassadine although I've never bothered to look up NAC's background/nationality. Then the Show led us to believe that Gio was going to be Trina's new romance or at least flirtation esp. after the way he emerged from the Metrocourt pool, which triggered Trina to think of when Spencer did it the same way. I don't care about Gio one way or another. 

You're right about it being a cliche, although it seemed to me more like an altered version of the beginning with Spencer once she knew he was Spencer. This guy has everything handled for him and has not been invested in academics whereas Trina takes school seriously and is appalled by him.  Of course, athlete Joss is impressed by the jock.