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S05.E08: Too Close To The Sun


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To air on November 13, 2019:

Maggie gets unsettling news about a new friend and breaks protocol to support him. One of the doctors from the Med family is rushed into emergency surgery after a violent assault. A social media influencer lets his users vote on medical advice.

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Knowing about Natalie’s impaired memory made Maggie’s decision even worse.  If word got out, other staff (especially Connor) could think that Natalie really did place that order in to release the patient.  

I follow the girl who played Aviva (Jasmine Luv) on IG, and she’s a pretty talented comedian. Shame that this role didn’t play to her strengths.  

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23 minutes ago, rhys said:

As much as I dislike nataloon, that was a dick move that Maggie pulled. 

Those 2 YouTube people or whatever they are called are idiots of the highest order.

The YouTubers brought back memory of the blood drinkers from a few weeks back.

Noah's beating: as predicted a few weeks back.

April as unbearable as all weeks back.

Maggie should be fired but she won't because no one gets fired, EVER!

Show should be renamed to "Chicago Psychos; The Soap Opera."

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You had to feel at least a bit for Elsa. Trying to approach Will and the guy didn't get it at all.

At least the show didn't give the child case to Natalie. And she actually showed professionalism in the case she did have. In the real world Maggie would get in big trouble for what she did because there would be a conspicuous paper trail in forging an infectious patient's release but I wonder if the show is just going to drop the story.

Indeed there are people out there making a living or trying to by taking in advertising dollars from reality Internet but this one was a caricature. If those crazies allowed their followers to take a life or death vote on medical care what other life decisions have those followers made for them? Seems like such a course would run into a dead end fast (pun unavoidable).

A big *Ugh* and "not again!" to the preview for next week's episode...

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Chicago Med is making it extremely easy for me to stop watching.  As I've posted since Eppy 2, it's fairly clear the focus will be Manstead and Chexton--now Chexel (Choi, Sexton & Marcel).

Inconsequential and unsuccessful episode if the writers felt I'd feel sorry for any of these folks.  Didn't most on this board said Noah would get his ass whupped?  No surprise at all except he didn't die.   He hasn't been on the show for, what 2 seasons at least, and now they bring him back?!  The story wasn't interesting--just predictable.  Hope this is the end of that storyline.

So, guess that's the set up for Chexel😞.  Can the writers be more obvious with this triangle which I already hate.   Ms. Passive-Aggressive April--dismissive of Marcel then supports him when Noah takes a worse turn.  Again, as mentioned previously, I think April will now get pregnant and won't know who the father is--yeah, she'll sleep with Marcel in a "moment of weakness, gratefulness" for saving Noah's life, etc.,--some artificial, fabricated, non-nonsensical reason.  And the confused look from Choi.  He didn't see the almost kiss in the previous episode and there's no reason for him to feel jealous--at this  point--but he sees Marcel looking "lovingly/longingly" at April and feels this twang of "hmm, something's going on?"  PUH-LEEZE.    I'm still undecided on Marcel--one minutes I like his approach and mannerism but then dislike where they're taking his character with April.    Choi should have stayed with Vicky and April with Tate.   Stick to unusual or life-threatening cases for the drama at the hospital as these love triangles are not working for me.

Poor long-suffering Maggie; she's pathetic although there trying to portray her as altruistic.  She has no life other than immersing herself into total stranger's lives??  First she gives a kidney to a virtual stranger.  Now she sleeps with a virtual stranger and after what, 2 weeks/1 month (perhaps), he's dying and she's going to all lengths to "do the right" thing which, of course, is totally wrong.  And Miss Judgmental Natalie--as if she's never done anything stupid before🙄.

Then Manstead - so he's finally moved on and looks like Elsa missed her opportunity?  Pitiful set up with Natalie having an epiphany (preview shown for next episode) and oh my, what will Will do?? 😩  Will psycho Phillip return to the scene??

The silly couple listening to the idiots on social media - you knew he wouldn't jump.  Guess they didn't realize until then that their "friends" were only using and didn't care about them.  Similar episode done on The Resident--but not quite to that degree.

Sharon & Bert - seriously?   Just why? and doesn't Sharon already know about Bert and his last ex (who died at Chicago Med, didn't she) and prior infidelity--isn't that why their marriage dissolved?  To what is Sharon alluding to about Bert and he needs to prove himself or talk--whatever she said?  WTH??!!

Clearly, these writers don't know where to turn or how to write this season.  Taking storylines from previous seasons and trying to bring them back, isn't working for this viewer.   Fall/Winter finale couldn't have come soon enough! I think they need to wrap it up and just end after S5--don't destroy this season or series any more than they already have.

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That was a dick move that Maggie pulled on someone who was supposed to be her friend, Natalie.  In this particular instance, I don't think Natalie was being "judgmental" at all.  Maggie was flat out wrong.  Natalie should report her to Dr. Goodwin, and Maggie should be fired.  Of course, we know that won't happen.

What I like most now is Elsa coming out of her shell and warming up.  Too bad it's because of Will.

I also liked Dr. Charles coming up with the idea to take the idiot up to the top of the building so he could jump if his followers wanted him to, which, of course, they did.    

Idiot Noah is lucky he's still alive, although it doesn't look like he'll be practicing medicine again anytime soon.  

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6 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Idiot Noah is lucky he's still alive, although it doesn't look like he'll be practicing medicine again anytime soon.  

Practicing medicine???

Most of the assholes on this show should first learn how to "PRACTICE LIFE" before jeopardizing themselves & others with their asinine tactics. The only sane person in this hospital was Dr. Latham.

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36 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I actually saw the first part of the show (about 3 minutes) and changed the channel.  I was intending to go back, but, just never did.  lol  Maybe, I'll leave it at that. 

Probably best😉

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1 hour ago, preeya said:

 The only sane person in this hospital was Dr. Latham.

I stopped watching at the end of last season and come here mostly for comic relief (thank you all), but let's give a nod also to no-nonsense neuro doctor whose name I can't remember. Has he been seen this season?

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I'm not sure. I have been impressed with Dr. Marcel, who's the new cardiac surgeon.  He's awesome, but,  I feel is hell bound since the writers on this show tend to write off or destroy the good characters and keep only the whackadoodles and infuriating maniacs.  I'm not convinced, they will allow him to remain. 

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11 minutes ago, Sarnia said:

I stopped watching at the end of last season and come here mostly for comic relief (thank you all), but let's give a nod also to no-nonsense neuro doctor whose name I can't remember. Has he been seen this season?

Yes, you are correct. However, he's so irrelevant I can't recall his name either.

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4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm not sure. I have been impressed with Dr. Marcel, who's the new cardiac surgeon.  He's awesome, but,  I feel is hell bound since the writers on this show tend to write off or destroy the good characters and keep only the whackadoodles and infuriating maniacs.  I'm not convinced, they will allow him to remain. 

His impending relationship with April and confrontation with Choi puts him on the wrong side of the fence.

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11 hours ago, watcher1006 said:

You had to feel at least a bit for Elsa. Trying to approach Will and the guy didn't get it at all.

Meh, I don't feel any amount of empathy for her.  She's obviously got some social issues and they've tried to make her more human, such as last week when she was on the rooftop with Nat after the child died.  But come on, Will is an attending and Elsa is a med student.  Granted, Will is I think a relatively young attending of just several years now (I think?).  Elsa is probably like 24-25, while Will I'm going to guess early 30s?  Age difference doesn't so much matter as does the hierarchy in the hospital.  In my mind, on medical shows it seems like doctors would rather date doctors, nurses/drug reps, and way down on the list would be a med student.

Will be interesting to see what happens with the attractive drug rep (pharmacist?  I don't recall) once Nat magically remembers everything next week.

57 minutes ago, preeya said:

Yes, you are correct. However, he's so irrelevant I can't recall his name either.

Sam Abrams.  He's the most real of the doctors and doesn't get involved in any of the BS.  Straight shooter.  Not a belly full of laughs but he seems like a real guy.

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7 hours ago, preeya said:

Practicing medicine???

Most of the assholes on this show should first learn how to "PRACTICE LIFE" before jeopardizing themselves & others with their asinine tactics. The only sane person in this hospital was Dr. Latham.

Don’t forget Dr. Abrams!

So Dr. Marcel was supposed to tattle to April about her brother? 🙄

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although it doesn't look like he'll be practicing medicine again anytime soon.  

Don't bet on it.  Remember these people heal completely in about a half an hour so, I'm guessing Noah will be hale and hearty very, very soon.

So Dr. Marcel is obligated to defy the wishes of a grown-ass man and run to the sister and reveal all the grown-ass man's personal business.  In the "Chicago _____" world of insufferable women (Gabby, Natalie, etc.), I give the insufferable prize to April.  I'd love to see both Choi and Marcel done with her, as soon as possible.  I hope the impending triangle of love blows up in her smug face.  What an awful character.

I'd love to know from people who actually work in a hospital ED if they'd put up with the internet couple's nonsense.  I'm not sure what the'd do to prevent it but for starters, I think they don't even allow the use of cell phones because of all the equipment.  It was a predictable storyline and typical of this increasingly stupid show.

Why did Maggie involve herself in such risky behavior when she's known this guy for, what, five minutes?  As someone pointed out upthread, she has a habit of putting herself at risk for strangers.  It's odd.

I don't know why I keep watching.  I really don't.  Maybe it's train wreck syndrome.

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On 11/14/2019 at 7:41 AM, Sarnia said:

I stopped watching at the end of last season and come here mostly for comic relief (thank you all), but let's give a nod also to no-nonsense neuro doctor whose name I can't remember. Has he been seen this season?

A big yes to Dr. Abrams!  He also had my favorite jargon moment this season (probably over the entire life of this show) 1-2 episodes ago, with the young girl who hit the front and back of her head in a car accident. (Kayla? - when Curry started to show her humanity after the mother lost her daughter).  I believe the term was "coup contrecoup" or something like that.  Don't know what that is, if the show used it correctly, nothing - but I loved it coming from Brennan Brown's dispassionate face/mouth!

I just need the show to reveal that Dr. Abrams and Dr. Latham have been in a long-term relationship.  Imagine their homelife!  That's the only relationship I could ever care about on this circling-the-drain show.

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Wait.... waiiiiiittttt.... wait. A. minute.

Did I just hear NataNutbag actually utter the word “ETHICS” at another human being???

Without a doubt the nurse pulled a near unforgivable move. 

But, NATALOON threw the ETHICS card?  That’s like John Wayne Gacy complaining about the unfairness of Chicago politics.

I feel like the writers are mocking the audience now. It’s like they are saying, “hah, they wanted Natanitwit fired... wait ‘till they see THIS episode!”

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 I’m confused about what happened when Maggie brought that guy home.    Was it just a park?   I just watched, after a day of medical testing and I’m feeling groggy.   So if the answer to this is obvious, I apologize.   Clearly it was obvious to everyone else! 

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51 minutes ago, DebbieM4 said:

 I’m confused about what happened when Maggie brought that guy home.    Was it just a park?   I just watched, after a day of medical testing and I’m feeling groggy.   So if the answer to this is obvious, I apologize.   Clearly it was obvious to everyone else! 

Maggie’s plan was to take Ben home without running into anyone else, since he was supposed to be quarantined (measles).  But when they arrived at his place, there were plenty of people outside, including kids and elderly people, who are particularly susceptible to measles.   Ben told Maggie it was ok, because they both knew he couldn’t go any further and risk infecting anyone, so back to the hospital they went. 

I hope you feel better soon!

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IIRC just before Bert’s wife died, she asked Sharon to look after him. I vaguely remember Sharon and Bert having a conversation after, but why in the world would she even consider taking him back??? He cheated in her once and left her for another (younger) woman. What makes her think he won’t do it again?

maggie should have been fired on the spot for what she did. But of course no one will ever know about it because she’s ‘grieving’ and obviously not thinking straight. Sure Natalie read her the riot act but it won’t go any further. 
 

I didn’t think it was possible for my eyes to roll any further back into my head but sure enough they did when April was blasting Dr. Marcel for not immediately reporting to her where her brother went and with whom. I have no use for Noah and think he’s as much of an ass as his sister, but he’s a grown man who is allowed to make his own decisions in life even if they’re wrong. April needs to accept that and move on. But she’s April so of course that won’t happen.

glad to see Will acting like an actual doctor for once. He discussed all options with the girl and her parents and in the end, abided by his patients wishes, even if he wasn’t sure it was the right decision. Thankfully it worked out this time.

back to April, the pending triangle is going to be soooooo much fun to watch. NOT!

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16 hours ago, Amethyst said:

Maggie’s plan was to take Ben home without running into anyone else, since he was supposed to be quarantined (measles).  But when they arrived at his place, there were plenty of people outside, including kids and elderly people, who are particularly susceptible to measles.   Ben told Maggie it was ok, because they both knew he couldn’t go any further and risk infecting anyone, so back to the hospital they went. 

I hope you feel better soon!

Thank you so much!  Of course that makes perfect sense and is much more clear to me now.  🙂  They showed kids first, and I thought they were his.  Then there was a woman holding a baby, so I thought he was married.  Until they showed the other people sitting on benches, etc.  That said "park" to me.  And I thought maybe he was homeless and lived in the park.   So I very much appreciate being told what should have been obvious!

Maggie is an idiot.  I thought so before, but what she did was ridiculous.

As for the influencers in the ER, I've never worked in a medical facility where that would have been permitted.  The stupid woman was getting in the way of medical care, for one thing.  And other patients could have been caught on camera, which is a major no-no.  She should have been told to turn off the camera, and then escorted out if she did not comply.  

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Those influencers showed just how addicted to social media fame people can become. They were both stupid to believe that their followers really cared for them. I get it, they were once homelessness and didn't want that to happen again but didn't think about the consequences of relying on social media.

April wins the donkey of the day award. Noah is a grown man who can make his own decisions. Therefore it is not Dr. Marcel's job to babysit him nor is it his job to be her informant.

Maggie (whom I like) is the runner up for the donkey of the day award. That was totally irresponsible on her part. She met him five seconds ago and is willing to risk her job for him. Natalie is the last person on planet Earth to talk to anyone about ethical behavior.

I like the smooth operator that is Dr. Marcel, but may end up disliking him if he ever ends up sleeping with April.

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On 11/15/2019 at 7:33 PM, sweetandsour said:

A big yes to Dr. Abrams!  He also had my favorite jargon moment this season (probably over the entire life of this show) 1-2 episodes ago, with the young girl who hit the front and back of her head in a car accident. (Kayla? - when Curry started to show her humanity after the mother lost her daughter).  I believe the term was "coup contrecoup" or something like that.  Don't know what that is, if the show used it correctly, nothing - but I loved it coming from Brennan Brown's dispassionate face/mouth!

I just need the show to reveal that Dr. Abrams and Dr. Latham have been in a long-term relationship.  Imagine their homelife!  That's the only relationship I could ever care about on this circling-the-drain show.

Coup-Contrecoup was used correctly. It’s basically when the brain is bounced back and forth in the skull. Dr. Abrams is the MAN! Love him. 💕

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On 11/15/2019 at 4:12 PM, limecoke said:

Why did Maggie involve herself in such risky behavior when she's known this guy for, what, five minutes?  As someone pointed out upthread, she has a habit of putting herself at risk for strangers.  It's odd.

I wonder that same thing. Just meets the guy, and has sex with him on the same day. And by the next episode, she's willing to endanger herself and the public to make him comfortable. That was a really dumb move (which is saying something for this show) to forge Natalie's signature just to get him discharged. She's a nurse. She has to realize that the public risk supersedes whatever she feels for a guy she just met. He got a crappy deal, but protocol is protocol, and has to be followed.

Natalie, for once, was dead on when she said this wasn't about what was owed and this was a responsibility to the public. Though, I still have-expected  Natalie would cave and bend the rules for her friend. If she can lock parents out of the room with their baby with no consequence, she can get away with anything.

I'm wondering if chemo patients have the same rule that AA members have, which is to never get involved with another member? And in the case of a chemo patient, it's just do the fact that you never know when one can go south, and you want them to avoid that pain because you get too attached.

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* I knew Noah would get beat up so I was relieved we didn't have to watch it. I'm still scarred from watching Mark get beat up in the bathroom on ER.

* once Maggie's new friend got diagnosed I was relieved that he wasn't going to become a psycho. Nope, he's just going to die.

* I hope Maggie at least told the transport people he had measles so they can properly clean out their vehicle if that is necessary.

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On 11/15/2019 at 9:44 PM, SG11 said:

Wait.... waiiiiiittttt.... wait. A. minute.

Did I just hear NataNutbag actually utter the word “ETHICS” at another human being???

Without a doubt the nurse pulled a near unforgivable move. 

But, NATALOON threw the ETHICS card?  That’s like John Wayne Gacy complaining about the unfairness of Chicago politics.

I feel like the writers are mocking the audience now. It’s like they are saying, “hah, they wanted Natanitwit fired... wait ‘till they see THIS episode!”

Exactly. I couldn't take Nat seriously after all the shit she has pulled. Can we have a show with Lathan, Abrams and Lanik? What happened to the gay med student? I liked him. 

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On 11/14/2019 at 9:06 AM, Ohwell said:

Idiot Noah is lucky he's still alive, although it doesn't look like he'll be practicing medicine again anytime soon.  

At this point, he's the second doctor to get attacked in that parking lot (remember Dr. Charles' unhinged patient?) Will and Natalie had the Mafia guy's son ram into their car, and I know there's stuff I'm missing. This hospital needs to have major security installed in their lots, stat.

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