"She Smelled Like Blueberries And Bourbon": Real-Life Celebrity Encounters

[badhaggis]

I went to a Styx concert years ago. I think it was the Kilroy was here tour. One of my friends was crushed in the crowd in front of the stage. She had to be taken to receive first aid. John Pannozo came over to speak with me. He was so nice. He assured me my friend would be alright and wanted to make sure I was going to be okay. He was really comforting. RIP sir...

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, MikaelaArsenault said:

Julia Child

I sat near her at two different restaurants, one in Ojai and one in Santa Barbara (she lived in Montecito).  I don't bother people when they're eating, but I do eavesdrop 🙂 and she was the hoot you'd expect.  So hopefully your mom had a nice conversation with her.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Bastet

[Was-MArsenault]

1 minute ago, Bastet said:

I sat near her twice at two different restaurants, one in Ojai and one in Santa Barbara (she lived in Montecito).  I don't bother people when they're eating, but I do eavesdrop 🙂 and she was the hoot you'd expect.  So hopefully your mom had a nice conversation with her.

She was nice according to her.

[shapeshifter]

On August 24, 2019 at 7:32 PM, Bastet said:

Gillian Anderson (I've met her a few times at charity events), I stood there like a tongue-tied fool.  I have no idea what actually came out of my mouth, because it was something of an out-of-body experience

Heh. Seeing Gillian Anderson of X-Files gave you "an out-of-body experience." 😉

[Was-MArsenault]

For those interested in the parody article, I posted it over in the Celebrity Encounters thread.

And yes, the band in question really did existed and was the actual name of it. I am not making that up.

[Rosiejuliemom]

I met Barack Obama when he was running for the US senate. He came to my community college for a Meet the Candidates event and we ended up outside for a smoke break at the same time. I gave him a light and we chatted about books and music for about 15-20 minutes. He then found out that I had been at the school since before 5 am to help set up and hadn't eaten yet, so he bought me lunch.

I sat next to Matt Damon at a little hole in the wall Chinese restaurant while he was in my area filming The Informant. He looked really tired so I didn't want to bother him.

Oh, I went to high school with an LA Laker. He was a nice guy. Very tall.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Rosiejuliemom

[Bastet]

6 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I met Barack Obama when he was running for the US senate. He came to my community college for a Meet the Candidates event and we ended up outside for a smoke break at the same time. I gave him a light and we chatted about books and music for about 15-20 minutes. He then found out that I had been at the school since before 5 am to help set up and hadn't eaten yet, so he bought me lunch.

I think this is my favorite story of the thread!

I've met several politicians through my work, but my favorite encounter came as a young teen tourist.  I met John Glenn in the hallway outside his Senate office, and told him I'd written a 40-page report on the Mercury Seven in fifth grade.  He asked me to send him a copy when I got home.  I did (which involved taking my typed report to the copy shop, not just opening up a file 🙂 ), and got a nice little hand-written note back.

[festivus]

I went to Porter Wagoner's estate sale today. I know he's been dead for like 12 years but I guess his son decided now was the time to sell stuff. He lived only a few miles away from me. Anyway, I remember him being in the same tux shop we were in back in 1985 when were getting tuxes for my wedding. Didn't talk to him though. My husband just told me today that he was in front of him in line one time at Baskin Robbins when my husband was picking up an ice cream cake for one of our kid's birthdays. He says he told me that before but my memory is shit. Went to Leon Russell's estate sale like a year ago and like the one today everything was hella expensive. I didn't buy anything at either one except some Dvd's and Blu-rays because they were the only thing that was cheap. Me and the hubby were at a restaurant sitting right next to Leon and his wife about a year before he died. We didn't bother them. I could have met him if I wanted because my nephew's mom was best friends with his wife but I never did. I'm a native Nashvillian and we just don't bother people. I have been around famous people so many times in my life and have never talked to them. Hell, I was sitting next to Marty Stuart one time at the DMV and I said nothing. He's really short though.

I did get to go swimming once when I was a kid in Webb Pierce's guitar shaped swimming pool because my best friend's mom owned a tour business. That was totally cool, he fed us KFC and got out his guitar and sang for everyone.

My husband's brother is a singer in a famous band (more so in Europe than America) and he's just a dude. A regular dude. A regular weird dude. So I guess meeting celebrities isn't something I care about. So ends my boring story. 😁

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I met Barack Obama when he was running for the US senate. He came to my community college for a Meet the Candidates event and we ended up outside for a smoke break at the same time. I gave him a light and we chatted about books and music for about 15-20 minutes. He then found out that I had been at the school since before 5 am to help set up and hadn't eaten yet, so he bought me lunch.

That is so incredibly cool :). 

2 hours ago, festivus said:

My husband's brother is a singer in a famous band (more so in Europe than America) and he's just a dude. A regular dude. A regular weird dude. So I guess meeting celebrities isn't something I care about. So ends my boring story. 😁

Now I'm curious who this guy is :D. 

[festivus]

On 9/14/2019 at 8:41 PM, Annber03 said:

Now I'm curious who this guy is :D. 

His band is in a certain genre that's more popular in Europe for some reason than here even though it's an American genre. They had their heyday in the 80s mostly but still play shows. He's going to France sometime soon. Anyway, he's a weirdo that likes to be "private", he has no internet or email. I don't have the heart to tell him that his band's name and his name is hash-tagged all over Instagram. With pictures of him.  Probably Twitter too. Lol.

[Annber03]

9 minutes ago, festivus said:

His band is in a certain genre that's more popular in Europe for some reason than here even though it's an American genre. They had their heyday in the 80s mostly but still play shows. He's going to France sometime soon. Anyway, he's a weirdo that likes to be "private", he has no internet or email. I don't have the heart to tell him that his band's name and his name is hash-tagged all over Instagram. With pictures of him.  Probably Twitter too. Lol.

Wow. I can understand somebody wanting to avoid social media-I'm not really much of a social media person, myself (mostly because I think my life's too damn boring, to where social media feels pointless for me: :p). But to not even have internet or e-mail... I can get the appeal of wanting to stay truly private, though. Especially if you've had some level of fame. 

That is funny, though, that he's still so popular online despite that. Hm. Very interesting. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by Annber03

[janie jones]

1 hour ago, festivus said:

 a certain genre that's more popular in Europe for some reason than here even though it's an American genre.

What genre is this?

[festivus]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Wow. I can understand somebody wanting to avoid social media-I'm not really much of a social media person, myself (mostly because I think my life's too damn boring, to where social media feels pointless for me: :p). But to not even have internet or e-mail... I can get the appeal of wanting to stay truly private, though. Especially if you've had some level of fame. 

That is funny, though, that he's still so popular online despite that. Hm. Very interesting. 

Well one thing is he's old enough to be my daddy so can kind of understand the lack of knowing social media. One of his band mate's wife handles their bookings.

Probably shouldn't have brought him up because I do like my anonymity! I just did because of the fact that famous people really are just like you and me 😉, you know in general. But probably weirder. 😅

I do have a another story. I used to work in a country club back in 1990 and I used to wait on Minnie Pearl. She was nice and always left a good tip. Probably because I didn't bother her. My stories are so boring!

[BW Manilowe]

14 hours ago, festivus said:

Well one thing is he's old enough to be my daddy so can kind of understand the lack of knowing social media. One of his band mate's wife handles their bookings.

Probably shouldn't have brought him up because I do like my anonymity! I just did because of the fact that famous people really are just like you and me 😉, you know in general. But probably weirder. 😅

I do have a another story. I used to work in a country club back in 1990 and I used to wait on Minnie Pearl. She was nice and always left a good tip. Probably because I didn't bother her. My stories are so boring!

Regarding the bolded: I got to meet Minnie Pearl too, during my era with the March of Dimes. She was a very nice lady, I agree. I got to meet her “out of character”, as it were. It’s interesting how different she was in real life, a genteel, wealthy, Southern matron, from the country spinster with a price tag on her straw hat, Minnie Pearl.

Edited September 20, 2019 by BW Manilowe
To fix spacing.

[topanga]

3 hours ago, festivus said:

I do have a another story. I used to work in a country club back in 1990 and I used to wait on Minnie Pearl. She was nice and always left a good tip. Probably because I didn't bother her. My stories are so boring!

No way! Minnie Pearl was awesome. 

I saw George Carlin at the Philadelphia airport once. He didn’t have any luggage and looked like a regular scruffy guy. I actually thought I was wrong and that he might be the maintenance man. But I guess I was staring too long because he smiled and tipped his imaginary hat to me. 

I’ve met athletes and journalists in Canton, OH at the NFL hall of fame: Emmitt Smith, Roger Staubach, Rich Eisenhower, Chris Berman, and others I can’t remember.

But my most memorable celebrity moment was meeting the original Veronica Mars cast. It wasn’t a chance encounter, however. I went to a fan event in New York after the end of the first season. Everyone was really kind and down to earth. Kristen Bell was as nice and friendly as she is on TV. And observant. I was wearing a “Forever Funky” long-sleeved T-shirt that was identical to one Wallace wore in an episode. Kristen saw me then turned to Percy Daggs, III and said, ‘Hey, that’s your shirt.” It made my day. 

[Blergh]

Quote

 Ages ago, I saw Jimmy Buffet on an interisland flight in Hawaii. Surprisingly, he looked younger in person but he also seemed painfully shy to the point that he seemed as though he'd be upset if anyone attempted to approach him on the flight- so I let him be!

[Anela]

9 hours ago, topanga said:

I’ve met athletes and journalists in Canton, OH at the NFL hall of fame: Emmitt Smith, Roger Staubach, Rich Eisenhower, Chris Berman, and others I can’t remember.

I live about twenty minutes from Canton, and have no interest in the NFL, or any kind of football, so that's wasted on me (the hall of the fame, not your comment). I did meet a group of celebrities at an English football match, when I was a kid, though. A celebrity match between members of a show called London's Burning, Eastenders, children's TV shows, etc. I can't remember all of their names, but one of the children's TV hosts complimented my sister's name. 

I lived not far from Heathrow airport, for five years, but only ever saw limousines driving through town occasionally, to get to a hotel down the road, just past the pub. Mum worked there for a while, in an accounts department, but I was too young to be anywhere that I might meet a famous person.

I think the closest I've been, here in the US, was when I was fifteen, and we visited Universal Studios. I think  it was Craig T Nelson who showed up, and waved at the visitors.

I tried to edit, but quoted myself by accident. I don't know how to make it disappear.

2 minutes ago, Anela said:

I live about twenty minutes from Canton, and have no interest in the NFL, or any kind of football, so that's wasted on me (the hall of fame, not your comment). I did meet a group of celebrities at an English football match, when I was a kid, though. A celebrity match between members of a show called London's Burning, Eastenders, children's TV shows, etc. I can't remember all of their names, but one of the children's TV hosts complimented my sister's name. 

I lived not far from Heathrow airport, for five years, but only ever saw limousines driving through town occasionally, to get to a hotel down the road, just past the pub. Mum worked there for a while, in an accounts department, but I was too young to be anywhere that I might meet a famous person.

I think the closest I've been, here in the US, was when I was fifteen, and we visited Universal Studios. I think  it was Craig T Nelson who showed up, and waved at the visitors.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Anela

[piccadilly83]

On 8/31/2019 at 9:31 PM, estellasmum said:

I wouldn't want to call her a celebrity, but can't resist calling out the behavior. At a different pharmacy, we had a over-dressed, super crabby lady come in to pick up a prescription for her son. Scotty Pippen Jr. Who, she informed us, was the son of Scotty Pippen. And she was in a hurry, because Scotty Pippen had somewhere to be. She really did use Scotty Pippen's full name multiple times, and every time she said Scotty Pippen, it was louder than all the other words she said. I would have rather waited on Tonya Harding.

Was it this woman? Larsa Youman. If it was that is totally TV related. The only reason I know who she is is because she starred in the first season of Real Housewives of Miami.

[magicdog]

On 9/14/2019 at 4:00 PM, Bastet said:

I've met several politicians through my work, but my favorite encounter came as a young teen tourist.  I met John Glenn in the hallway outside his Senate office, and told him I'd written a 40-page report on the Mercury Seven in fifth grade.  He asked me to send him a copy when I got home.  I did (which involved taking my typed report to the copy shop, not just opening up a file 🙂 ), and got a nice little hand-written note back.

That is awesome!  I would have killed to have met Glenn or any of the early astronauts!!

[tribeca]

When mom and where in Chicago we attended a White Sox game.  Our tickets were horrible.  The stairs are very steep and mom walks with a cane.  An official from White Sox gave us better seats.  Then a man with a Red Sox hat and White Sox T-shirt said we were with him and we went on the elevator to our seats.  Mister T was in the elevator with a lot of other people.  Later we found out the man with Red Sox hat and White Sox shirt was ball player Clarlton Fisk.  

Mom, dad, aunt and uncle were at restaurant at casino when James Brown came in with a lot of people.  My aunt thought he was little Richard.  Mom said she thought they should leave him alone and Let him enjoy his dinner.  His friend when leaving handed everyone in restaurant autographed pictures except my parents table. The friend said James was mad they ignored him.  

Edited September 25, 2019 by tribeca

[festivus]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

Mom, dad, aunt and uncle were at restaurant at casino when James Brown came in with a lot of people.  My aunt thought he was little Richard.  Mom said she thought they should leave him alone and Let him enjoy his dinner.  His friend when leaving handed everyone in restaurant autographed pictures except my parents table. The friend said James was mad they ignored him.  

Lol. Some people really do like the attention. It's hard for me to fathom. Being famous would be my worst nightmare.

[Vixenstud]

Forgot to add....

Years ago, me and Mr. Vixenstud were eating in a restaurant in Philly when I looked up and saw the embedded hair pick of Questlove!  I stared then he turned, looked at me, said 'Hello' then walked away.

I had such a stupid grin on my face the entire night.

[Homily]

Years ago (back when Montreal still had a baseball team) my sister met Kevin Costner and his wife while riding the Metro,  He asked her for directions to the baseball stadium and then he and his wife chatted with her.  She said he was super nice and very natural and didn't come across at all as a big star talking to a fan.  Just a fellow baseball fan talking to another fan,

[funky-rat]

On 8/24/2019 at 2:28 PM, ABay said:

This totally skipped my mind before: I had breakfast with BRIAN BLESSED! If you know who he is, you understand the all caps. If you don;t know who he is, I pity you. My friends and I were at a con, having breakfast in the hotel restaurant, and Brian sat down next to us and proceeded to regale us with tales of Mt. Everest--his past trips, his upcoming trip. He was delightful. I've never met someone so in love with life.

I also met a lot of of other British actors at that con over the years but all pale beside the larger-than-lifeness of BRIAN BLESSED.

!!!!!!!!  Flash Gordon is one of my favorite movies.  "Oh well!  Who wants to live forever????"

I've met/brushed with a number of celebs over the years.  This will be long.

On 8/25/2019 at 8:29 PM, scarletine said:

We were in Vegas, and went to see Penn and Teller's show. For the "Catching a Bullet in the Teeth" trick, they needed a volunteer from the audience, and I volunteered my husband, who got chosen to go up on stage and participate. Afterwards, we got to meet them, and I got hugs and pictures with both of them, and chatted with them a bit. Teller DOES speak. He's very soft spoken, but very friendly and engaging. They're both really neat guys. 

I sold Teller something at my job.  I talked to him over the phone.  He never gave his real name.  But yes, he's very quiet and soft spoken.  We saw P&T last year about 2 hours from my house, and they did a meet and greet afterward.  The venue was the biggest cluster ever (will never go to another show there again) and we never did get to meet them afterward, because security made no effort to have people get in lines, etc.  I left very frustrated.  I don't blame P&T....I blame the venue.

I thought I quoted the person who met Billy Baldwin.  I sold him something at my job, and I talked to him a few times over the phone.  Very nice and down to Earth.  He met some of my co-workers at an event (I didn't get to go).  I also sold something to Brock Lesnar (through a sales rep).  He was very nice.  He was more calm and laid-back than his persona on TV is.  I told him my husband was a big fan, and he mailed him an autographed photo - personalized.  As for famous-adjacent, I sold something to the mom of the oldest daughter on The Bernie Mac Show.  She was a very sweet lady.  I told her we loved the show, and that her daughter was a good actress (it was still airing at that time).  I said that the episode where she was in Chicago looking for her mother made me tear up, and I don't normally get bleary at shows and movies.  She told me that she bawled on the set, because as a mother, it was incredibly painful to watch.

I've corresponded online with Howard Jones (at that time, he was 100% handling all of inquiries through his website - probably not anymore - this was around 2000), and Pat Mastroianni (Joey Jeremiah from Degrassi Jr High/Degrassi High/Early seasons of Degrassi TNG).  He was a really nice guy.  Sent me an autographed photo when I bought some of his home movies, etc, from when he was on Degrassi (he used to sell them on eBay).

I've written to (at various times over the years) and received stuff from many people, but I'll stick to real or personalized stuff:  Brian Boitano, Tracy Wilson and Robert McCall (Canadian Ice Dance Champs and Olympic Bronze Medalists - Rob passed in 1991), Priscilla Lopez (Broadway actress), Thommie Walsh (who has since passed away) and Baayork Lee (Broadway people - signed a book they co-authored), Gordon Ramsay (pre-all of his US TV shows - I watched him on BBC America, before they started showing mostly US shows), Ozzy/Sharon/Jack/Kelly Osbourne (while their show was still on - contacted their agent for my husband's 30th birthday), and Ken Ober/Colin Quinn when they were on Remote Control on MTV (Sadly, I have lost those letters), and Mike Nesmith when I bought his book from his website.

We were at Dan Marino's HOF induction (my husband has tons of autographs but never met Dan, unfortunately), and we were seated in the VIP area (because they had a ticketing system crash, and my seats that I paid for went to someone else - sometimes glitches pay off).  We got free water all day, which was nice, because it was HOT.  Some guy started chatting with me.  I was polite and made small talk.  I remember thinking he was nuts because he was wearing a black long-sleeved turtle neck.  When he walked away, I saw him pick-up a gold jacket.  I was gobsmacked, but had to wait until they seated people on stage to find out it was Franco Harris.  My late Grandpa Bill is rolling in his grave.  I also noticed that we were seated behind someone who was sunburned to a crisp.  I considered offering them sunscreen.  The VIP people there for Steve Young's induction were all wearing hats with his name on them, so we knew he was there for Steve and he was a VIP.  My husband started to freak.  It was Mike Shanahan, who was coach with the Denver Broncos at that time.  Steve pointed to him in his speech, and he left right after, because he had to get back to training camp.  He took a photo with my husband and signed our program.

I've met the following people, mostly at meet and greets (usually after a show), or events:

Martina McBride (when she was opening for Garth Brooks in 1992), Charlie Daniels (a number of times - he and his wife are very gracious people), Jim Gaffigan (pleasant and funny - he graciously took a photoshop collage I did showing some of his bits - he signed our photos funny and our photos with him are funny too), Lewis Black (couldn't get photos or personalized signatures - it was the venue), Mick Foley (ditto - venue didn't want us to even really talk to him, but he was nice), Harry Wayne "KC" Casey (of "& The Sunshine Band - he was funny and chatted with my mom for a bit because she has the same first name as his mom), The Ramones (on their 20th Anniversary Tour, 1995 - they signed photos after the show but didn't really talk to us - I don't think they were rude, but just tired, plus Joey had anxiety and wasn't super outgoing, from everything I've heard/read), Mikey/Vinnie/Cody/Campo from Orange County Choppers (at a bike show - we went there just for them - Jr and Sr were there, but they were out at different times from the rest of them, and we didn't get to meet them - this was before everything at OCC fell apart - all were nice, but Mikey in particular was very nice and yelled at a security guard who put his hands on me), Mark Slaughter (we were there to see someone else, and he was the opener - story about the main act below, as it was cute)....I'm sure I'm forgetting someone here, but that's what's in my mind right now.

As for stories......

The Good:

Matthew & Gunnar Nelson (more than once, but my favorite time was when I had my husband along, and they asked for his name for the photo - he hesitated, then said "Um...Nelson" - they both got quiet, then laughed hard and said "Can you spell that?  Just kidding!!" - they are very nice guys, and we met Mark Slaughter at their show), Jim Belushi (at an improv show he was doing - nice guy - when he asked for my oddball first name, he asked me to spell it, and said "I bet you've done that just about every day of your life, huh?  Let me give you some advice!  My first name is easy - J-I-M, but my last name was something I ALWAYS had to spell....until my brother got famous, and I've never spelled it again....so GET FAMOUS and you'll never have to spell your name again!"), Peter Tork (I'm a HUGE Monkees fan and almost got to meet him when I was 13, but was too shy to approach him, and then he left when I got the nerve up - I finally got to meet him 26 years later at a one man show he was doing - my husband chatted with the security guard and he put me first in line - Peter could sense I was nervous and almost star-struck, as he was my favorite - I told him about when I was 13, and he laughed and asked if it was worth the wait.....um YES!!! - he told me to take my time, and made me feel so at ease - we also watched him warm up in 1996 at a show because I was in a wheelchair with a broken leg and they sat us first - he hollared out if there were any requests and I hollared back for him to play Toccata and Fugue in D-Minor, and he did - he didn't know we were out there), Weird Al Yankovic (the only time I was ever star-struck - I couldn't talk to him, even though my husband and friend did - I only managed to say "Al", and gave a thumbs up - he signed the book for his boxed set, and continuted to talk to me, and I would nod back, unable to say anything).

The Bad:

Micky Dolenz - My encounter with him was out "in the wild", during the day of a show they were doing.  My mom and I bumped in to him, and attempted to talk to him, but he waved us off.  We only wanted an autograph - didn't ask for photos or anything to draw attention to him.  He wasn't very nice.  I just said "OK" and left, but my mom, ever the protective mama, said "Oh YEAH?  I remember when you were CORKY THE CIRCUS BOY!  You should be happy for fans!  The kids her age are making you popular all over again!".  He looked at my mom, decided it wasn't worth it (they're the same age) and he kept going.  Later, I talked to someone else who had a bad experience with him in a restaurant - the woman he was married to at the time actually told him to knock it off.  But I know people who have met him at meet and greets, and have nothing but good things to say, so I'm going to chalk it up to that he's nice if you meet him at an event, but out and about, he wants to be left alone.  Would still like to meet him sometime, but at an event.

The Ugly:

Davy Jones (More than once) - I know how loved he was/still is, but he was never anything but ultra-rude to me, and my friends.  He had a "summer home" about 30 minutes from where I grew up - he bought it in the late 80's, because he had a friend who lived in that teeny-tiny town.  Honestly, people here left him alone - this is a rural area, and it's not like he was a mega-star.  He built up a lot of bad will when he racked up a few DUI's, and escaped punishment on all of them, except for the last one, where he was sentenced to perform a show for the town at their fair.....and he then accepted money for that show.  It came out after the fact, and he ticked a lot of people off.  We bumped into him at the mall a few times, where he always told us to essentially buzz off.  He told the daughter of a friend of the family that she was ugly and fat when she tried to talk to him at a bar (he was drunk).  He was extremely drunk one night when he came in to WalMart.  He was rude to everyone.  My friend just adored him, and he couldn't have been ruder to her if he tried.  He came in to develop some photos.  They were of him and some current celebrity women at the time.  He thought he was hot stuff, but he looked ludicrous in the photos - almost pervy old man level ludicrous.  And the joke was on him, because the people in the photo center made copies and distributed them.  He was only nice to me one time, and it was at an event he might have been sentenced to, to help out a local high school.  And even then, I felt like he was just a few minutes away from being an ass.  He would occasionally do a one man show at a local restaurant.  A few times, people told me he was just jerky if the audience didn't fawn all over him.  And whenever I mention that he wasn't nice, there's usually someone out there that chastises me.  As if he just wasn't capable of being a complete and total ass.

The Brooklyn Brawler -  An old-time WWF "jobber" (someone who is basically there to lose....every single time - someone who will get beaten up by headliners, and generally made to look bad).  He was at a house show I took my husband to -back when WWF would do shows in high school gyms, etc.  This was in a HS gym.  It snowed in the midwest, and the show was already a bust because some of the headliners were snowed in along the way.  He did his bit, then showered, and was standing behind us, watching the show.  My husband saw him, and said "I've been watching you since I was little.  Can I get an autograph?".  This fucker called security on him, who was kind, but asked my husband to go back to his seat.  Seriously??  When they were ready to go to intermission, I turned around and said "Look, Mr. Brawler.  I'm sure being a jobber sucks, and you've been one forever, but seriously?  You think you're Randy Savage or something??  Thanks for being an ass."  He walked away.

The One That Got Away:

Andrew McCarthy - When I was in 8th grade, they were filming part of "Mannequin" about an hour south of me.  We were fresh off of seeing "Pretty In Pink" and drooling for Blane.  My mom took me and a friend down to see if we could get in as extras - I can shop with the best of them - and possibly meet Andrew.  We never got to be extras, and we only saw Andrew for a few minutes from a good distance, but we did see a little bit of filming, which was cool enough.  I just bought tickets to go see "Weekend At Bernie's" next March.  Andrew will be there to talk about it, and I'll FINALLY get to meet him.  😀

John Taylor - (Duran Duran basist, and the finest looking man I've ever seen) - My husband bought me his book for Christmas one year - didn't realize he was doing a book tour...until it was too late.  😔

Bucket List: Howard Jones (in person), John Taylor (see above), Weird Al (again, so I can redeem my idiotic actions), Mystery Science Theater cast (I can never afford the VIP packages at their shows), Pat Mastroianni (in person - they sometimes do Degrassi reunions in Toronto - I was the same age, so I felt like they were my classmates, almost), Sid and Marty Krofft (they do very few shows anymore), Mike Nesmith, Micky Dolenz (when he's up for meeting people), Jordan Knight (NKOTB), and I'd love for my husband to be able to meet Ozzy in person.  We had tickets for him and Megadeth, but Ozzy got sick, and the show was postponed - and I'm not sure if Dave Mustane will be well enough after getting diagnosed with cancer).

Edited October 8, 2019 by funky-rat

[Ohwell]

yeah that was long

[funky-rat]

14 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

yeah that was long

I put out a warning.  I've encountered a lot of people in my day, and the post said they wanted stories.  😀

I knew I'd forget at least one.  First one belongs on the UGLY Ugly list, lol.

Gallagher (Comedian): Went to his show with a friend (tickets were buy one/get one).  He was suposedly filming a DVD (which never came out).  They asked us to remain in the lobby before the show.  Gallagher came out and was milling about, throwing Hershey Kisses at us, and signing autographs (he was pushy).  He signed my ticket stub.  He was wearing his typical polyester jumpsuit, and it must have been one he'd had forever, because the BO on it was horrendous.  I wasn't the only one who noticed.  The show went on for hours because he kept stopping and re-doing jokes and things.  Then he said he wanted to do some new stuff, but if it didn't go over, he'd just quit doing it mid-bit.  He did the sledge-o-matic, and at one point, invited up anyone who had a birthday in that month to smash a cake.  Every single time, we had to sing Happy Birthday.  We were about to walk out when the show abruptly ended.  He had smashed all kinds of stuff, including potato salad.  It was nasty, and started to smell because of the lights.  After the show, he was in the lobby and was hitting on my friend (who is young enough to be his daughter), and he kept trying to give us leftover potato salad, after it sat out under hot lights.  We were at another show at that theater a few months later.  They told us he was never allowed to come back because they were scraping potato salad off of the ceiling for weeks afterward (it's a beautiful theater on the historic register).  He was made to sign a rider to clean up after, but apparently he skipped out.  Jackass.

This one is on the good list:

John Valby, A/K/A Dr. Dirty (x-rated singer and comedian): as a kid, I had some of his tapes, dubed 10,000 times and poor quality, but we'd sit around and giggle at his off-color songs.  I've been to two of his shows as an adult, and he's the kindest, funniest, most gracious guy.  He autographed CD's that I bought with pretty filthy inscriptions, but that's the Dirt Dr. for you.  🤣

[Vixenstud]

4 hours ago, Homily said:

Years ago (back when Montreal still had a baseball team) my sister met Kevin Costner and his wife while riding the Metro,  He asked her for directions to the baseball stadium and then he and his wife chatted with her.  She said he was super nice and very natural and didn't come across at all as a big star talking to a fan.  Just a fellow baseball fan talking to another fan,

Chile?  If I had met Kevin Costner on the Metro, it would have been something.

Wife, schmife.

Great read, Funky-Rat!

Edited October 8, 2019 by Vixenstud

[MsTree]

12 hours ago, funky-rat said:

I've encountered a lot of people in my day, and the post said they wanted stories.  😀

Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us firsthand of all your encounters. As far as I'm concerned, you could continue on and take up an entire page 😁

I truly enjoyed every single word of your stories. The only thing missing was the year of your encounter 😉

Curious as to what you were selling, but understand if you prefer not to divulge.

Meanwhile, if you remember any more celebrity encounters, I would love to read them...as I am no living vicariously through all your excitement 😎

Edited October 9, 2019 by MsTree
added a paragraph

[Haleth]

16 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Peter Tork (I'm a HUGE Monkees fan and almost got to meet him when I was 13,

His dad was my advisor in college.  He was an economics professor at UConn.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Haleth

[Blergh]

Do I think there's any justification for a celeb (or anyone else) to be needlessly rude or snotty to another person just giving a verbal positive acknowledgement? No. 

However, I think I can understand that it must be frustrating for a performer to be out with their family  or friends doing something completely unrelated to their work or any fan event and having those times interrupted by those folks  who insist on stopping them for an autograph and/or selfie while expecting said family/friends  to cool their heels.

  Anyway, that's why I've done my best to leave celebs alone when I had no legit reason whatsoever to interact with them (and also think if one MUST interact with them, it's best to just give them a positive verbal acknowledgement rather than ask for anything from them). 

[funky-rat]

5 hours ago, MsTree said:

Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us firsthand of all your encounters. As far as I'm concerned, you could continue on and take up an entire page 😁

I truly enjoyed every single word of your stories. The only thing missing was the year of your encounter 😉

Curious as to what you were selling, but understand if you prefer not to divulge.

Meanwhile, if you remember any more celebrity encounters, I would love to read them...as I am no living vicariously through all your excitement 😎

I will say I work in manufacturing.  It's a niche environment that we serve - people generally seek us out.  We make highly customized items, but that's where I'll stop.  Our owner doens't like us talking about work, except to stay in generalities when using the actual name or products, since we're such a niche market.  And I need my job.  😉

As for years:

Teller (2003), Brock Lesnar (2006), Billy Baldwin (2016), Pat Mastroianni (2004), Howard Jones (2004), The Osbournes (2003), Gordon Ramsay (2005), Brian Boitano (1989), Tracy Wilson/Robert McCall (1989), Prscilla Lopez/Baayork Lee/Thommie Walsh (1990), Ken Ober/Colin Quinn (various times 1988/1989-ish - lost the letters), Mike Nesmith (2018), Franco Harris/Mike Shanahan (2005), Martina McBride (1992), Charlie Daniels (3 times - definitely in 2006, and 2008 - the first time would have been before 2006, but I can't find the date for sure - possibly 2004), Jim Gaffigan (2008), Lewis Black (2013), Jim Belushi (2013), Mick Foley (1999), Harry Wayne "KC" Casey (2016), Gallagher (early 2000's - I want to say 2006-ish - I'd have to look for the ticket stub), Vinnie/Mikey/Cody/Campo from OCC (2004), The Ramones (1995), Weird Al Yankovic (1999), Gunnar and Matthew Nelson (2007 and 2010), Mark Slaughter (2010), Peter Tork (saw in 1987 but was too shy and 2013), Micky Dolenz (1987), Andrew McCarthy (saw in 1986, will meet in 2020), Davy Jones (can't recall all of the times I bumped in to him - would have been between 1988 and 2000-ish), John Valby (I can't remember anymore - one was a NYE show at Penn's Peak but I can only find a 2010 show, and it was before that as my MIL was still alive, and she died in 2007 - the 2nd time was at a dive bar that I can't recall the name of - the show was rescheduled and that night on the way, my husband found out he had skin cancer), and Brooklyn Brawler (1993).

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

His dad was my advisor in college.  He was an economics professor at UConn.

That's awesome!  He talked at his show about how his parents were awesome, and they were academics.  They would have liked him to go on to use his brains (Peter was very smart), but encouraged him to follow his dreams.

[funky-rat]

18 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Do I think there's any justification for a celeb (or anyone else) to be needlessly rude or snotty to another person just giving a verbal positive acknowledgement? No. 

However, I think I can understand that it must be frustrating for a performer to be out with their family  or friends doing something completely unrelated to their work or any fan event and having those times interrupted by those folks  who insist on stopping them for an autograph and/or selfie while expecting said family/friends  to cool their heels.

  Anyway, that's why I've done my best to leave celebs alone when I had no legit reason whatsoever to interact with them (and also think if one MUST interact with them, it's best to just give them a positive verbal acknowledgement rather than ask for anything from them). 

If I encounter someone in the wild (which is rare), then I will generally leave them alone, unless it's someone that I REALLY wanted to meet, and then I will be quiet and polite, and ask for an autograph, and try my darndest to not attract attention.

But calling someone fat and ugly (even if alcohol is involved), or telling someone you'll sign something for them if you model the shirt you're wearing, hitting on someone when they've made it clear they're not interested and didn't put out any vibes to begin with that they were intersted, or calling security on someone who was polite (there was a show going on and no one else was paying attention) is uncalled for - a simple "I'm tired and really don't want to be bothered right now" would have sufficed.

I don't feel celebs owe their fans anything, like some people do.  I've been turned down for autograph requests many times over the years, and that's OK (I always sent a SASE for photos, and would get mildly annoyed if they didn't return it to me, but again, it's their perogative).  And I get annoyed with people who do feel that way.  But if someone is polite, they could be polite back, at least.

Most of my experiences have been positive.  I walked away from Micky Dolenz when he made it clear he didn't want to be bothered.  My mom didn't yell or make a scene, but was firm in that she thought he was being rude.  I was 13, and we came a long way for the show, and she was also a fan when she was younger, so she was probably in a bit of an odd spot and blurted it out.  After talking to other people, I now know only to approach him if it's at an event he's agreed to do meet and greets, and would love to meet him at such an event.

I make no apologies on calling out Davy Jones.  I don't find DUI amusing, and he did it a number of times.  Insulting people and their appearance is also not OK.  Living in a rural area where most people likely aren't super fans and not getting fawned over ticked him off, but at the same time sending people away who do approach you made him a hypocrite. 

As for Gallagher, my friend said he might just be a hands-on person, but if you approach someone, touch them (it was not in an inappropriate place), they move away, and you go back in, then to me that's not OK either.  Honestly you shouldn't be touching anyone at all, unless it's a photo op and you have to squeeze in.  She was clearly uncofmortable and put out the uncomfortable vibe big-time.  She believed we were being filmed for this DVD, so she smiled and was polite, but specifically stepped away from him.  It's on record that he smacked an audience member a few years ago and yelled at a waitress at one of his shows, and he went on a profanity laced tirade at a family friendly show, with kids present.  A fan of his once tried to tell me repeatedly that it wasn't Gallagher, but his brother, Gallagher II, but I know it wasn't, as he appeared on the local radion station to talk about his lawsuit against his brother, and talked about it during the show.  Searching "Gallagher Is A Jerk" brings up numerous results.

So yes, I agree that for the most part, leave celebs alone if it's not at a meet and greet, and be polite if you really want to talk to them, but some of their behavior is not OK.

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, Blergh said:

Do I think there's any justification for a celeb (or anyone else) to be needlessly rude or snotty to another person just giving a verbal positive acknowledgement? No. 

However, I think I can understand that it must be frustrating for a performer to be out with their family  or friends doing something completely unrelated to their work or any fan event and having those times interrupted by those folks  who insist on stopping them for an autograph and/or selfie while expecting said family/friends  to cool their heels.

  Anyway, that's why I've done my best to leave celebs alone when I had no legit reason whatsoever to interact with them (and also think if one MUST interact with them, it's best to just give them a positive verbal acknowledgement rather than ask for anything from them). 

Same. I can kinda sympathize with that, albeit on a significantly more minor level, because my dad worked as a radio DJ, and he was well-known and liked in town. And sometimes when our family was out in public, there'd be people coming up to talk about how they liked listening to him and all that sort of thing, which was nice, but could take up time, when my dad wanted to just focus on hanging out with us.

I'd definitely love to meet some of my favorite celebrities someday if I'm ever lucky enough to get the opportunity. But yeah, there's a time and place. I wouldn't dream of bothering them if they were just enjoying some quiet downtime or hanging out with their families or something like that. It amazes me how some people think it's okay to be so intrusive (like the stories I've heard about people trying to get a celebrity's autograph or talk to them while they're in the restroom. Why the hell would anyone think that's even remotely acceptable?).

@funky-rat, I too loved all your stories and am amazed at the amount of people you've managed to meet over the years! My mom would be very interested in your Monkees stories (well, the Davy one would disappoint her some, but still). And she'd be jealous about you guys getting to go to Dan Marino's HOF ceremony, too :p. 

I'm not surprised Weird Al would be a cool person to meet :). 

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Blergh said:

Do I think there's any justification for a celeb (or anyone else) to be needlessly rude or snotty to another person just giving a verbal positive acknowledgement? No. 

However, I think I can understand that it must be frustrating for a performer to be out with their family  or friends doing something completely unrelated to their work or any fan event and having those times interrupted by those folks  who insist on stopping them for an autograph and/or selfie while expecting said family/friends  to cool their heels.

  Anyway, that's why I've done my best to leave celebs alone when I had no legit reason whatsoever to interact with them (and also think if one MUST interact with them, it's best to just give them a positive verbal acknowledgement rather than ask for anything from them). 

I get celebrities getting frustrated when they are out trying to lead their civilian lives.  They do deserve to be able to get a bite to eat with friends at a restaurant and not be interrupted.  But, when they are attending or even hosting events where fans are invited, I do expect them to be on and gracious.  I have had a few encounters with some athletes over the years and some have been real assholes.  Michael Jordan used to host a charity golf fundraiser in the town where I went to high school back in the mid to late 90s.  He would be in town for like 4 days but only left his hotel for event related activities.  He showed up at the country club right before his tee-time and then proceeded to plow through the course before returning to the clubhouse.  He barely even stopped for official pictures.  The company my dad worked for handled communications for the event and I remember listening to a volunteer list off his demands for a post round meal with Charles Barkley--steak cooked to a specific temperature, specific sides right on down to specific flavors of Gatorade for each man.  Charles was  a lot nicer than Michael and wanted to meet with fans, but Michael would not allow him.  Meanwhile other athletes, soap stars, Stone Phillips, etc would mingle with the fans, pose for pictures and ham it up on the course.  

Last December my sister and her family went to a Dallas Cowboys event at The Star.  As they were waiting in line for Santa, Jason Witten and his family were also in line.  My sister said that he was extremely standoffish.  I get not wanting to intereact with fans out in the wild as it were, but when you show up to sanctioned events like that, you need to be on.  Even if Jason was somehow forced to be there (not sure if Jerry Jones could even require that of a retired player), the fans are not the ones to take it out on.  My Brother-in-law was disappointed.  

[cpcathy]

1 hour ago, funky-rat said:

So yes, I agree that for the most part, leave celebs alone if it's not at a meet and greet, and be polite if you really want to talk to them, but some of their behavior is not OK.

I listen to a lot of celebrity podcasts, and I've been hearing a bunch of celebs will be happy to have a little conversation with people, or have a moment, but that they are tired of taking photos, that some people are not fans, they just want the photo.

[funky-rat]

13 minutes ago, cpcathy said:

I listen to a lot of celebrity podcasts, and I've been hearing a bunch of celebs will be happy to have a little conversation with people, or have a moment, but that they are tired of taking photos, that some people are not fans, they just want the photo.

I can see that.  A lot of people sell them on eBay.

[xaxat]

I used to work at a bookstore in Washington DC. We had a lot of politicians and bestselling authors that came through.

One time I spotted a couple in the bookshelves. The woman was bent over searching for something on the bottom shelf. The man, standing a few feet away, was looking around like he was bored out of his mind. I walked up to them and asked if I could help. The man held out his hand and curtly said "No thank you." I was like OK dude, whatever.

Then the woman stood up and I realized that it was Chelsea Clinton. And I noticed that the guy had an earpiece. Secret Service. She was really nice, said they didn't need help and they went on their way.

Bestselling biographer Kitty Kelly came in to sign her newly released book. We had some on display and she knocked those out in quick order. Then she asked if there were any more. Since it was going to be a bestseller, we had hundreds of copies boxed up in our dark, dingy receiving/break room. We took her down there, set her up in the break room and she sat there and went through case after case of books as employees passed through on their lunch breaks. She was a machine! But she wanted to make sure anyone who bought her book there would go home with an autograph.

The only time I was excited to meet someone was when author Daniel Yergin came in to sign his newest book. He had previously won the Pulitzer Prize for his book The Prize. It is one of my favorite books and I went total fanboy on him. Honestly, I think my enthusiasm might have startled him. He probably didn't meet many people who got excited talking about the history of oil exploration.

[Ohwell]

I shook hands with then candidate Barack Obama when he was campaigning in 2008.

I also met Olympic track stars John Carlos, Tommy Smith and Bob Beamon, waaaay back in the 70s. 

That's all I've got.

[Bastet]

2 hours ago, Blergh said:

Do I think there's any justification for a celeb (or anyone else) to be needlessly rude or snotty to another person just giving a verbal positive acknowledgement? No. 

However, I think I can understand that it must be frustrating for a performer to be out with their family  or friends doing something completely unrelated to their work or any fan event and having those times interrupted by those folks  who insist on stopping them for an autograph and/or selfie while expecting said family/friends  to cool their heels.

  Anyway, that's why I've done my best to leave celebs alone when I had no legit reason whatsoever to interact with them (and also think if one MUST interact with them, it's best to just give them a positive verbal acknowledgement rather than ask for anything from them). 

I agree.  Long before we knew Dustin Hoffman is an asshole, a friend and I were behind him and his family at a miniature golf course.  There were five of them, so there were several holes where we had to wait for them to finish.  At the end, when the others went to return the clubs, he turned to us and apologized for the holdups.  We said it was no problem, and that we're fans of his work but didn't want to interrupt him while he was out with his family.  He walked over to shake our hands and thank us for that. 

When I'm seated next to a celebrity on a plane, I just say hi; I'm a "regular person" and I don't like when someone who simply happens to have the seat next to mine feels the need to spend the flight conversing with me, so I'm not going to turn around and do it to anybody else.  A few I've exchanged general chit chat with, but just between two passengers, not about them being celebrities.  Now, if one of my absolute favorites, someone whose work I really like and who, from what I know of them, I admire the off-screen life of (activism, charity work, etc.), was seated next to me, I would at some point - not the moment she sat down - say something short and simple to that effect (and let her decide if any further conversation ensued).

And I never say anything in a restaurant; people should not be disturbed while they're trying to eat a meal.  At a bar, maybe - and I certainly said something (along the lines of "get the hell away from me") to a drunk-ass Vince Vaughn when he was hitting on me in one - but usually not.

As for asking for something, I have no interest in autographs, and I never ask for pictures, either; I find it intrusive, and they have no way of knowing I don't use social media and thus the picture would never be posted anywhere, so I'm just not inclined to put someone on the spot like that.  (At a fan event, it would be expected, but I don't go to those - I'm talking about running into a celebrity on a plane/at the airport, in the grocery store, on the street, etc.)

[Bastet]

Oh, talk of books reminded me of one of my favorite airport encounters: As I was reading Anita Hill's Speaking Truth to Power while waiting to board a flight, someone approached me and asked, "Are you enjoying the book?"  I looked up, and there was Anita Hill smiling at me.  She was passing by my group of seats on her way to another gate, saw what I was reading, and stopped to ask.  We chatted briefly about the book before she headed off to her gate.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Bastet

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Oh, talk of books reminded me of one of my favorite airport encounters: While reading Anita Hill's Speaking Truth to Power, someone approached me and asked, "Are you enjoying the book?"  I looked up, and there was Anita Hill smiling at me.  She was passing by my group of seats on her way to another gate, saw what I was reading, and stopped to ask.  We chatted briefly about the book before she headed off to her gate.

That's awesome :). 

[topanga]

2 hours ago, Ohwell said:

I shook hands with then candidate Barack Obama when he was campaigning in 2008.

I also met Olympic track stars John Carlos, Tommy Smith and Bob Beamon, waaaay back in the 70s. 

That's all I've got.

That's pretty damn amazing, if you ask me.

[Mabinogia]

I'm not really an autograph person so when I randomly see someone famous, or moderately famous (I used to see a lot of soap stars when I worked in NYC on the subway, street, elevator whatnot) so I would usually just say hi, or smile and wave, like I would do anyone I make eye contact with in the street. If we are say in a place were there is time for a short talk I might say I enjoyed them in whatever, but I don't ask for photos or autographs because, like me, they are just going about their business, and I'd really hate it if someone did that while I was just walking down the street. 

I do remember once, years ago, I was in the elevator with Bianca Jagger and what I mentally called her handler, probably agent or assistant or something. When I got on she glared at me, looked me up and down like I had no right to be on that elevator (this was at work, I had to be on the elevator to get to my actual job). I just kind of smirked at her because I just couldn't with the attitude. I wonder if she was pissed because I dared ride an elevator with her or because I did not in any way whatsoever acknowledge that I knew who she was.

[cpcathy]

When I worked in a bookstore, the author Jonathan Kellerman (anyone remember him??) came in and gave me a weird look when I didn't seem to know him right off.

[Mabinogia]

10 minutes ago, cpcathy said:

When I worked in a bookstore, the author Jonathan Kellerman (anyone remember him??) came in and gave me a weird look when I didn't seem to know him right off.

Haha

I'm a pretty avid reader but I'm pretty sure the only authors I would recognize if I saw them are Stephen King, Anne Rice, JK Rowling and that one who does those painfully bad commercials on TV for his books, he's really famous but I cannot think of his name right now, just that I thought he was a multi-best seller so it's odd to see him hawking his books on TV. 

I couldn't pick most authors out of a line up. 

Patterson! James Patterson! The one who does the terrible commercials. Yay, I remembered, I can sleep tonight. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by Mabinogia
Remembered his name.

[xaxat]

47 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Patterson! James Patterson! The one who does the terrible commercials. Yay, I remembered, I can sleep tonight. 

Patterson came to our bookstore. He brought cookies for the booksellers with icing colored to match the cover of the book he was promoting.

We liked him.

[Mabinogia]

20 minutes ago, xaxat said:

Patterson came to our bookstore. He brought cookies for the booksellers with icing colored to match the cover of the book he was promoting.

Awe, I'm easily bought with cookies so he gets some points for that for sure. That was very sweet. 

[piccadilly83]

I used to work at a Banana Republic in the Bay Area. One day, during a busy hour a woman came up to me and asked me for some help.  At the time I was looking down at the counter for some reason, I think I was searching for something. I remember thinking when she asked me for help that she sounded so pleasant. I mean, our customers at the store weren't awful, but they usually weren't that pleasant. When I lifted up my head to look at the customer I realized it was Mary Hart. I thought "Oh wow, it's that woman whose voice drove Kramer crazy on Seinfeld. She's so nice." I didn't say anything to her that led her onto the fact that I recognized her, but I must say she was really a joy to assist. Honestly, if all of my customers were as nice as her, I would still be working there. 

[merylinkid]

17 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

As they were waiting in line for Santa, Jason Witten and his family were also in line.

If he was in line too, he was probably not officially there.   He was just a guy taking his kids to see his Santa.   I think that if a celeb is out with their family, especially kids, leave them alone.  The kids didn't ask to be part of this life.

I haven't had any real celeb encounters.   In 2000, I was at the Super Tuesday watch party for Shrub.   The Texas Rangers (he was still governor so he had secret service AND Texas Rangers guarding him) had to pull a Fox news cameraman off me who was crushing me against the barrier on the rope line.   he didn't move very far because when Laura Bush came along and shook my hand she said "Watch out for that camera" because he was about to clock me in the head while swinging it around.    I shook Shrub's hand too but her handshake was more memorable.   

[Blergh]

6 hours ago, piccadilly83 said:

I used to work at a Banana Republic in the Bay Area. One day, during a busy hour a woman came up to me and asked me for some help.  At the time I was looking down at the counter for some reason, I think I was searching for something. I remember thinking when she asked me for help that she sounded so pleasant. I mean, our customers at the store weren't awful, but they usually weren't that pleasant. When I lifted up my head to look at the customer I realized it was Mary Hart. I thought "Oh wow, it's that woman whose voice drove Kramer crazy on Seinfeld. She's so nice." I didn't say anything to her that led her onto the fact that I recognized her, but I must say she was really a joy to assist. Honestly, if all of my customers were as nice as her, I would still be working there. 

I have to admit  I was surprised at reading a positive account re her. That's all I'm saying. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by Blergh
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