Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[NeedTVRehab]

I just hope that if/when it is revealed to the house that Nick is the Prankster, that Jackson will astutely figure out and announce that Nick won it because America hates Christie.

[Brian Cronin]

10 minutes ago, Concrtslt said:

I just hope that if/when it is revealed to the house that Nick is the Prankster, that Jackson will astutely figure out and announce that Nick won it because America hates Christie.

Or America thinks that Nicole really IS an undiagnosed sociopath!

[Cutty]

This week is pretty straight forward. All comes down to the veto.

-Nick goes unless he wins veto

-If Nick wins veto, then Christie goes

[TimWil]

I adored Britney and Janelle. And Kayser. I HATED Natalie (from Jordan’s season). And I liked Shelly at the beginning but her relentless, needless lying made me loathe her. And her falling back on that “I have to do this for my FAMILY!” crock of shit drove me nuts because it was well established that she had a lucrative job and was living a very comfortable life with her husband and daughter. Oddly enough we were both given lines to say on the film The Big Short (in different cities at different times) but her line got cut, tee hee.

HAPPY ZINGBOT DAY!

[iMonrey]

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But I really dislike Christie and I can’t stand her lying hypocrisy and would love for her to leave as well. She makes me want to smack her because she lies so very much. And swears on her sister while doing so. I’m perfectly fine with wanting her out, and wanting Jackson out as soon as he or Holly are no longer HOH.

That's a fair point but I think it's ironic that so many people seem to have a problem with Christie because she lies and is hypocritical. I mean, that's sort of how the game is played. Meanwhile there is a common defense of Jackson's behavior because he "owns" what an asshole he is, like that's somehow preferable. 

Maybe it is, from a TV audience standpoint. But just as people go, I'd prefer someone who was polite to my face and talked smack about me behind my back, over someone who's an asshole right to my face.

It's called manners.

[Alice Mudgarden]

31 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That's a fair point but I think it's ironic that so many people seem to have a problem with Christie because she lies and is hypocritical. I mean, that's sort of how the game is played. Meanwhile there is a common defense of Jackson's behavior because he "owns" what an asshole he is, like that's somehow preferable. 

Maybe it is, from a TV audience standpoint. But just as people go, I'd prefer someone who was polite to my face and talked smack about me behind my back, over someone who's an asshole right to my face.

It's called manners.

It's funny because I'm the opposite. I'd rather you be a jerk to my face, so at least I know what I'm dealing with.

Then I can just be a bitch back haha

[Booklady1017]

On 8/22/2019 at 3:22 PM, Sketcher said:

The thing is, he's so bad at this shit that they can't believe he's that bad. There MUST be a reason he's still there, because they have wanted him gone for ages. He actually saved Jackson when that vote could have easily flipped which is why Jackson didn't put him up. Now Christie has used that action against Nick with Jackson! I mean, how manipulative of Nick to remind Jackson that he was on his side. That was just so wrong!

If Nick were REALLY a master game player he would form a secret alliance with Jess. If by some miracle Nick wins HOH, he should declare himself fully open to making deals in exchange for info, then find out where all the deals are, and take that info to the person left out of the deals...Jess. They can continue to publicly hate each other while working together. That's what a master BB player would do.

But Nick sucks at this game. He plays defense all of the time, which is why he has never actually controlled anything. And even if he WAS good, Jess is so incapable of seeing beyond her boys vs girls that she could never carry out her role.

I don't want Nick to win HOH because I think he'll just throw up Jess and Christie (maybe Holly) and Jess will go. There won't be enough scrambling in that scenario. Ideally Christie wins HOH, Nick wins POV and Christie has to break all of her deals because the universe manifests it. 

I just realized...it was Jackson who blew up the 6 because Sam said something to him that made him want to flip the vote. He is pretty impulsive, so this flip, while orchestrated by Christie, certainly is happening because Jackson is already pretty vulnerable to suggestion. Christie tag teamed with Holly to push those buttons. And looking around the house, I think only Tommy and maybe Nick are the ones who have some immunity to Christie's bullshit. Which means Christie is here to stay because no way Tommy can move directly against Christie. This was his one and only chance to take her out.

I like your idea about Nick and Jess but that would never happen.

On 8/22/2019 at 3:12 PM, watch2much said:

watching the show last night, I thought she looked older, though but she was Miss Wyoming in 2012 and the oldest a contestant can be is 24.....so that would make her 31 as she claims....

She definitely looks older than 31, probably due to alterations she made on her face through surgery and the like.

[Booklady1017]

On 8/22/2019 at 9:54 PM, Lamima said:

I voting Nick for prankster. A Nick win would at least make Christie know that America hates her.

I didn’t realize voting was closed sorry, but that would have been my vote. 

[Booklady1017]

On 8/22/2019 at 10:07 PM, kellog010 said:

I need Jackson gone so bad. I can't take the smugness from the HOH room another week. No one should want to keep that showmance together anymore.

I want Christie and Jackson out in that order, but I’d take the reverse, basically I want them to go soon, thinking they had a good chance to win after these few weeks just for their hopes to be dashed.

On 8/22/2019 at 10:17 PM, Sketcher said:

So Tommy...maybe Nick...I don't think Cliff or Nicole has the guts...oooooohhhhh how about Jess????

Honestly, anyone but Jackson should put up Jackson and they should vote him out when Holly can't play for HOH the next week. That's what a top tier BB player would do.

But if the week is going to just be cancelled, what causes the most chaos??

But who would put up Jackson? Christie? Cliff?

[Booklady1017]

On 8/22/2019 at 10:42 PM, Lady Calypso said:

Cliff would nom Tommy so that could be fun.

I've been looking online for who people are voting for. WAYYYYYY too many people are voting for Nick. Too many people are voting for Jackson. 

Nick just makes my skin crawl. But I guess, if he won, Christie should likely go up...I guess? Maybe? I don't know, which is why I need to hear more conversations tonight to get an idea of who is the better person to win.

What if the prank is two people get evicted that week?

[Lady Calypso]

So, it looks like everyone but Tommy and Nicole are playing for veto today.

Poor Nicole. I didn't really process that she has only played in ONE veto, and that was week one. But, at the same time, Nicole was going to stupidly play for Nick so...

[missyb]

2 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

As an aside, it's probably unfair of me to knock Vanessa too much for not "cultivating enough of a relationship with Steve for him to take her to the finals." I still think she didn't do a good enough job making Steve feel connected to her (she always seemed unwilling to lie to him about her willingness to take him to the finals with her, for fear of losing his vote since she was never going to take him, but come on lady, it was worth the risk!),

I thought Vanessa had a great relationship with Steve.  And one she cultivated from the very very beginning. She was a rock for him and he counted on her. However, he was never ever going to take her to a final. He knew the game well enough to know he loses next to her. 

14 hours ago, zorak said:

I don't know but they also had to get pied.  Also probably the fact that BB can call them in the middle of the night to do this would be annoying.

Another reason I love Nicole. When Jackson asks her why she enjoyed pieing him so much, she coughs into her hand and says, rogue vote !

[Brian Cronin]

2 minutes ago, missyb said:

I thought Vanessa had a great relationship with Steve.  And one she cultivated from the very very beginning. She was a rock for him and he counted on her. However, he was never ever going to take her to a final. He knew the game well enough to know he loses next to her. 

They had a great overall relationship, but she was very cut off from him in terms of going to the end, because, again, she obviously knew she was never going to take him and so she made the choice super easy for him. Had she made a big deal of having a Final Two with him, he might have had some real conflict with his choice. She was obviously afraid of doing it because she feared that she would lose his vote when she DIDN'T take him, but I think it was a risk that she had to take. 

[Brian Cronin]

But yes, it was such an obvious call that I bet she'd have been screwed either way. I still think it was worth the shot, though.

[Booklady1017]

On 8/23/2019 at 9:26 AM, Lady Calypso said:

Ultimately, this America's Prankster is so utterly useless if Jackson isn't put up by them.

Because Holly's noms were going to be Jess/Christie with a Nick backdoor. So if Nick wins, he's going to put up Jess or Christie anyway, so....Nick winning is basically aligning with Holly's original plan. 

So why do people want Nick to win, again? Because if he's planning to put up Christie, that's who Holly is putting up anyway. If Nick puts up Jess, that's also who Holly was putting up. There's no guarantee that Nick will put up Jackson yet (he probably will as a replacement nom, unless Tommy gets into his head once Nick tells him and Nick puts up Cliff).

Hence, why Cliff or Nicole would be great, as I see them putting up Tommy with a Jackson replacement nom. 

Plus, now, since Nick is likely to win, we'll have to hear his monotone DRs:

Nick: i am so excited to have won this america's prankster. thank you so much. i guess i gotta put up jess, because she's been my main target for weeks...

I didn’t get to vote but it would have been easier if we knew Holly’s vote. Wasn’t her new game plan to keep the two targets Christie and Nick abs use them later? I’m not sure then who she’d put up. 

[missyb]

5 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

But yes, it was such an obvious call that I bet she'd have been screwed either way. I still think it was worth the shot, though.

Kind of why Josh picked Paul over Xmas in their final 3. It was XMas for him all the way until she shocked him by not answering in the affirmative that they were final 2. That's when he made up his mind. I can still picture that conversation in the kitchen.

[vb68]

25 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Poor Nicole. I didn't really process that she has only played in ONE veto, and that was week one. But, at the same time, Nicole was going to stupidly play for Nick so...

I can't believe her streak of not playing for veto continues. Honestly though, it's probably just as well for  her this week. I think she only told Nick she would do that to save face and for whatever empathy  she has for him on a personal level. But she damn well knows she would be up shits creek if she did use it.

Nick will probably crap his pants if it is Hide and go Seek Veto.  He drones on about how he hates that comp.

Edited August 24, 2019 by vb68

[missyb]

In some way, I hope Nick wins POV and can take himself off. I dont want Nicole to be in a position where she has to choose between someone she really likes ( Nick) and Holly's choice to stay Christie ( as Holly and Jackson are her final 4).

I am a teensy bit protective of Nicole.Regardless of her ability as a player !
 

[Slider]

7 minutes ago, missyb said:

I am a teensy bit protective of Nicole.Regardless of her ability as a player !

Me too, even though I really think she's a shit player.  She seems like a genuinely nice person, and it's hard to watch when people are awful to her.

[Jobiska]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

That's a fair point but I think it's ironic that so many people seem to have a problem with Christie because she lies and is hypocritical. I mean, that's sort of how the game is played. Meanwhile there is a common defense of Jackson's behavior because he "owns" what an asshole he is, like that's somehow preferable. 

Maybe it is, from a TV audience standpoint. But just as people go, I'd prefer someone who was polite to my face and talked smack about me behind my back, over someone who's an asshole right to my face.

It's called manners.

To me it's not hypocrisy in and of itself, it's religious hypocrisy.  Even if she's saying it's The Universe rather than God that is on her side, and discounting any evidence that that is not true, it's still something that gets it my craw no matter who it's attributed to.  

 

[LGGirl]

If it’s the Hide & Seek comp, it will be interesting to see who wins.   I’d say Christie but hoping for a Nick win, Nick finding Christie’s envelope for sweet revenge.    

My preference is that Christie goes this week.  I just can’t take her smug face anymore.  After Christie, they can all go.  Ok, well, I’d love to see the couples go, leaving the outsiders.  I’d like to see Nichole win just because she’s played so bad and is so nice.   Jessica next because she put the Jacks on the block.  

Truthfully, can see Tommy taking the whole thing.   I want Christie out to see him play on his own.  He needs to earn the win.   

[LGGirl]

5 minutes ago, Jobiska said:

To me it's not hypocrisy in and of itself, it's religious hypocrisy.  Even if she's saying it's The Universe rather than God that is on her side, and discounting any evidence that that is not true, it's still something that gets it my craw no matter who it's attributed to.  

 

For me, it’s what makes Christie so special?   Why is the universe just working for her?   Why not Nick?  Or Cliff?  

I agree, if she said Jesus instead of the universe, she’d be booted by now.

i just don’t think the universe gives a shit about anyone winning a third rate reality show.  

Christie is just a self centered twit who justifies her specialness with manifestations and universe nonsense.  

[Booklady1017]

On 8/23/2019 at 1:20 PM, Tuxcat said:

If this is the so called "prank"- it's lame. First, the HG are told about it. Then, they call in Cliff to the DR thereby making him the suspected prankster. I am seriously hoping production is not this stupid. Please let there be more twists and turns to this. Perhaps Cliff's call was a decoy. If so, I doubt the HG would suspect Nick (but "America" did seem to lean toward voting for him). But even a Nick choice is lame - he will select the very people that Holly initially planned on.

I don’t get why they did it that way letting them know in advance 

[Booklady1017]

23 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Wait! Gross Nick won the power? Is it due to the Taco Tuesday fight with Christie? Did the tv fans feel sorry for Nick? Ugh! This is awful.....I think. 

They don’t like Christie and think he’ll put her up as a nom. That’s what I was thinking.

23 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Yes, exactly this. 

The casuals don't know that Christie was likely going up this week. But Nick's probably putting up Jackson, anyway. I mean, that'll be dramatic, I guess. It wasn't worst case winner, but it wasn't best case.

But don't get this mixed up; online voters were also clamouring for Nick. At least, a good portion of them were. It wasn't JUST casuals this time around. 

I wasn’t sure if they were putting up Christie or not. I wasn’t sure if Jackson and Holly would keep her around a little longer or not.

[Booklady1017]

22 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Jackson, potentially. Jackson vs Nick would have it comes down to...Jess as the swing vote, and Jess hates both of them.

Nick vs Christie wouldn't be the worst choice, but also unpredictable.

I think Nick goes to jury if he's against anyone else. 

I’d think Nick have a chance against Jackson and Christie because they are big threats.

[Booklady1017]

20 hours ago, Lamima said:

Christie and Tommy are a 'couple' in a sense that they are a pair working together AND they are friends outside the house. That's not fair. If the house doesn't break them up NOW, they will go to the end. Then they can break up the loverbirds and get Snackson douche out. Nick needs to go too but he's floating alone in the game, pretty much. Just like Survivor, you HAVE to break up the pairs and the most threatening pair is Christie/Tommy. 

I totally agree!!!

[jay741982]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

That's a fair point but I think it's ironic that so many people seem to have a problem with Christie because she lies and is hypocritical. I mean, that's sort of how the game is played. Meanwhile there is a common defense of Jackson's behavior because he "owns" what an asshole he is, like that's somehow preferable. 

Maybe it is, from a TV audience standpoint. But just as people go, I'd prefer someone who was polite to my face and talked smack about me behind my back, over someone who's an asshole right to my face.

It's called manners.

Yep! Sick of the passes he gets! 

[jay741982]

1 hour ago, missyb said:

In some way, I hope Nick wins POV and can take himself off. I dont want Nicole to be in a position where she has to choose between someone she really likes ( Nick) and Holly's choice to stay Christie ( as Holly and Jackson are her final 4).

I am a teensy bit protective of Nicole.Regardless of her ability as a player !
 

I think Nicole(and Cliff ) are fucking stupid if they stick to a F4 with a Showmance. They have 5 comp wins combined. I get breaking up Christie/Tommy but The Gross POS Couple need Split up just as bad. Hoping Christie survives and boots Jacksons shitty self out!

[Katesus7]

I mean, I’ll say it AGAIN, I give Jackson zero passes. He’s a shit. I want him gone. But since he was HOH last week, and is not on the block this week, I will again say I want Christie gone.  And if you’re going to quote me, please include the part where I say I give Jackson zero passes.

[Brian Cronin]

9 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

I mean, I’ll say it AGAIN, I give Jackson zero...shit. 

Totally agreed, I give Jackson zero shit, as well! He's the best!

Seriously, though, yes, that's why I have taken to adding as a preface to any point about Jackson "Fuck Jackson," just to make it clear that I, like you, do not like Jackson. Anything I want to have happen to Christie doesn't involve me liking Jackson or approving of his behavior. 

[Callaphera]

Content/Trigger Warning for Frankie Grande. Sorry. 

On this very special day, let us remember the best (and harshest) Zing of all times. Enjoy this video of BB16's Zingbot/Kathy Griffin Veto comp. I can't help but snicker when ZingPropsbot says something nice to Donny and Christine says, "Aw, I don't like this." Later, when Caleb gets Zinged by Kathy, Cody says, "Sorry, Caleb, but the truth hurts sometime." Just you wait, you kooky nose-picking, snot horking, laying on each other kids. Just you wait. 

Zing, motherfucker, ziiiiing.

(Props to the editors for putting those lines from Cody and Christine in there. Masterful job.)

[JD5166]

Awwwwww I know this’s is unpopular but I really liked Derek and thought he played a masterful game! (I am more of a Nicole’s tho, so I would suck at it.) I also miss Kathy Griffin....😢

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, missyb said:

In some way, I hope Nick wins POV and can take himself off. I dont want Nicole to be in a position where she has to choose between someone she really likes ( Nick) and Holly's choice to stay Christie ( as Holly and Jackson are her final 4).

I was hoping Nick would win veto but this made me realize it would be kinda fun even if he didn't just to see Nicole nervousing about the vote lol. Plus really, in general, Nick vs. Christie otb would be interesting. But really Christie vs. anyone would be. So basically I need Christie to not win veto. Or Jess because her dumb ass would probably take Christtie off. Wait, in that case, Nick would pretty much have to nom Jackson. So, maybe, Jess for veto lol? 

[Tdoc72]

Are they playing the veto now?

[Callaphera]

13 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

Are they playing the veto now?

Yup. They're two and a half hours in. 

Zingbot (and Hide and Go Veto, if it's that comp) take longer than usual. 

Then again, with these brain trusts, Hide and Go Veto could be over in two rounds. 

Edited August 24, 2019 by Callaphera

[Tdoc72]

Just now, Callaphera said:

Yup. They're two and a half hours in. 

Zingbot (and Hide and Go Veto, if it's that comp) take longer than usual. 

Thanks. I know what hide and go veto is but is Zingbot a comp?  I thought he just came and insulted you. 

[Callaphera]

I say that and feed come back with Jackson wearing the Veto.

Just now, Tdoc72 said:

Thanks. I know what hide and go veto is but is Zingbot a comp?  I thought he just came and insulted you. 

Zingbot usually hosts the Veto comp after he roasts them all. 

[Tuxcat]

Jackson won it and told Nick he wasn't using it. Nick told Jackson that he was the prankster. He's telling Tommy too. He's saying that proves loyalty by who he chose. 

[Callaphera]

They're wearing comp shirts that say FREE THE ZING! and the boat room looks... neat. Ish. As much as it can what with its Crisco stains on the fabric. So it probably wasn't Hide and Go Veto?

[Lonesome Rhodes]

Au revoir, Nick.

[leocadia]

At least it wasn't Christie.  Even if she doesn't go home, hopefully she'll still be paranoid that she might.  Manifest the power of the sprouts!  

[sphoebus31]

2 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Au revoir, Nick.

I hope Nick goes because I find him creepy and annoying.  But if Christie goes, I'm fine too. Regardless, Jackson and Holly are too strong now.  Whoever remains really needs to work on getting them out.

[Callaphera]

Christie is talking about how she threw the comp but still did worse than she thought she would even though she wasn't trying...

Well, this blows. 

[ByaNose]

In a normal season a nice person (that isn’t Jackson) would be a good winner with all the wins & Veto’s he has amassed but since it is Jackson would be a horrible winner.

[Callaphera]

In a normal season, we would have heard what everyone's Zings were by now. AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THEM. 

Fuck, if I can't have Christie crying and bitching that everything is fake and nothing is real, can I at least hear their zings? 

[Callaphera]

It sounds like it may have been the ball/pulley comp that they delayed when Caleb said he was going to sit on the ground so that he and Frankie would lose and then lo and behold, it turned out to be a set-up that was easier for one person to use than two people. Ahem. 

THESE PEOPLE SUCK. TELL ME YOUR ZINGS. 

[Growsonwalls]

Damn Jackson and Holly are comp beasts in a showmance.

[Callaphera]

Zingy apparently called Jess a snoozefest. 

Aaand that's literally all we've gotten. 

[Tuxcat]

Why does every other word out of Nick's mouth begin with fuckin'?

So his strategy is to fuckin' lay fuckin' low until fuckin' Wednesday and then fuckin' campaign like fuckin' fire. He's fuckin loyal, and if wanted to put fuckin people up he would have fuckin' done it. And that's how he's going to fuckin' get fuckin votes from fuckin Tommy and fuckin Cliff and maybe fuckin Jackson. At least that is the fucking plan since he already fuckin' has fuckin' Nicole. He was fuckin' anonymous and still fuckin' didn't put them fuckin' up so he's fuckin loyal. And fuckin America knows he fuckin doesn't fuckin deserve to have a fuckin target on his fuckin back.

[ByaNose]

7 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Zingy apparently called Jess a snoozefest. 

Aaand that's literally all we've gotten. 

Jess says what?????????