Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[Callaphera]

Flashback to the world's worst tattoo and cover job in the history of Big Brother, BB19's MATTHEW "Cereal Killer" CLINES and his A Song for Mama lyrics:

[Mystery]

I hope that next week, someone grills Julie Chen about racial insensitivity while she sits in the hot seat. Surely no one scripted that "gyp" remark. 

[Cutty]

I think Christie and Jackson are locks for the field trip. 3rd person is what's up in the air. I just put my 10 votes on Anal. Could be anyone. 

[zorak]

Christie to Analyse about Tommy's potential noms:  "I'm not going to give my opinion unless it's asked."  Doubtful.

Analyse says she hopes Cliff is shitting his pants right now.  She says he should've taken Jack's deal.

[mooses]

So...

Sis wants to work with Holly/Jackson over Christie, but wants them up as pawns to backdoor Cliff.

Um, yes, please. What a genius.

[KTUCKER20]

Question. So if we have two noms from hoh and one from field trip, do they vote out two people or one?

[zorak]

Analyse still talking big to Christie:  "Fuck you, Cliff.  You literally had a chance to save yourself."

[Callaphera]

2 minutes ago, zorak said:

Analyse still talking big to Christie:  "Fuck you, Cliff.  You literally had a chance to save yourself."

There's the Analyse we all know and... know.

[zorak]

Christie was talking about winning veto and said, "Let the other side of the house know what it feels like to be back where they were."  I wish Jess could have heard that because I think she's still somewhat under Christie's spell.

Christie and Analyse are wondering why Tommy didn't vote to keep Jack.  I think it's pretty obvious that he was trying to cover his ass with Jackson.

[ByaNose]

Analyse can exit out the door.....thank you. Ugh! She doesn’t know how useless and invisible she’s been all season. 

[zorak]

Analyse says that Kat must be booted before Jackson.

Analyse hopes that Jack wins the Battle Back (that still hasn't officially been announced) and says, "He's so smart."  Yep, he's so smart he is the first one in Jury.

2 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Analyse can exit out the door.....thank you. Ugh! She doesn’t know how useless and invisible she’s been all season. 

And she had the nerve to bash Nicole and said if it was Cliff and Nicole in the final 2, she'd vote for Cliff to win because Nicole has just been a floater.

[mooses]

Christie/Analyse wondering if Jack gets a phone call.

Analyse: "I wonder if he called his ex."

Christie: "That would be stupid ... she probably wouldn't pick up."

[Callaphera]

3 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Analyse can exit out the door.....thank you. Ugh! She doesn’t know how useless and invisible she’s been all season. 

I dunno about that. About once a week Analyse will mention that she knows she's not relevant because they never call her to the DR except for Goodbye Messages. If she watched last season (HA!), I'd say that she's trying to play Angela's game but Angela had actual brains under her Ice Queen facade. 

[zorak]

Holly is telling Tommy that she met Jackson's ex.  She said she took his ex on a wine safari.

Edited August 9, 2019 by zorak

[Cutty]

2 minutes ago, zorak said:

Yep, he's so smart he is the first one in Jury.

Also he's unemployed, hung up over his ex, and has no career or friends. What a catch!  

[Alice Mudgarden]

3 minutes ago, zorak said:

And she had the nerve to bash Nicole and said if it was Cliff and Nicole in the final 2, she'd vote for Cliff to win because Nicole has just been a floater.

Says the dull piece of furniture in the corner.

Dull would be the adjective in that sentence, btw, Analyse.

[zorak]

Wait, is Holly talking about knowing Jackson's roommate?  I don't know why they are sitting there talking about all the connections that they have to each other outside of the house in front of Tommy.  

Analyse is worried that Jack is just sitting there thinking about his ex.  Christie says that maybe after some time alone, Jack will be missing Analyse.

[Callaphera]

1 minute ago, Cutty said:

Also he's unemployed, hung up over his ex, and has no career or friends. What a catch!  

Replace "hung up over his ex" with "has no car but a weird addiction to watermelon" and you're describing Jackson, too!

[mooses]

1 minute ago, zorak said:

Holly is telling Tommy that she met Jackson's ex.  She said she took his ex on a wine safari.

"We definitely don't know all know each other. We all just know of everyone else in each others' lives, and all follow each other on Instagram!" 

Alarm bells should be going off for Tommy, but he's just SO excited The Five are back in town!

[zorak]

Nicole:  "I guess that I'm proving the quote correct that those who can't do, teach."  I freaking hate the quote she's referencing so much.  I have a better quote about teaching:  "Those who can, teach.  Those who can't, make laws about teaching."

[zorak]

Analyse is telling Nick that Nicole needs to open up to her if Analyse is going to talk game with Nicole.  

Nick is claiming to Analyse and Tommy that Nicole said she trusts Analyse because Nick trusts Analyse.  He said he told Analyse that she needs to bond with Nicole.

[missyb]

18 minutes ago, zorak said:

Christie and Analyse are wondering why Tommy didn't vote to keep Jack.  I think it's pretty obvious that he was trying to cover his ass with Jackson.

The ridiculous thing about this, is that Jackson probably would have hoped that Tommy showed some loyalty to Jack and voted to keep him. He would have much more respect for  that than a kiss ass vote to keep himself. And a meaningless one at that. 

[Growsonwalls]

16 minutes ago, zorak said:

Analyse is worried that Jack is just sitting there thinking about his ex.  Christie says that maybe after some time alone, Jack will be missing Analyse.

Aww. Call me crazy but I have a soft spot for Sis. She's not that nice of a girl but she's also not playing with a full deck of cards, AND I think the way Jack didn't even pretend to care about her was shitty. He didn't talk to her or show affection towards her. And she kind of knew it and expressed it multiple times. I mean she's a totally useless player and waste of space but I still feel bad for the way Jack treated her and Nick regularly acts like she's a sex toy.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Growsonwalls

[Callaphera]

Nick in his head, probably: "Now all I have to do is get Analyse and Nicole on the same page and then... THREESOME!"

[zorak]

Jackson, Holly, and Cliff are talking.  Jackson was talking about the ridiculousness of Jack's promise of 4 weeks of immunity for Cliff.  He was like, "How can you promise to keep someone safe for a month in his house.  He couldn't even keep himself safe for that long."

[BK1978]

14 hours ago, PhoneCop said:

So expressing uselessness mathematically: Sis > (Victoria + Kathy)

Would it be Sis > (Victoria + Kathy + Meg) or Sis < (Victoria + Kathy + Meg)?

I might go with Sis ≈ (Jenn City + Matt Cline), but these things are tricky to quantify.

How would Cowboy and Jee (Or was it Gee?  I am too lazy to look it up.) factor into these equations? 

1 hour ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

No lie, this is the reference I always make when someone has this inexplicable one-sided feud with another on one of these shows. This or Shambo and Laura Morett. But usually this.

Add Shambo to the list of automatic laugh emojis from me.  Man I wish Shambo wanted to come back and do another season.  She cracked me up.

47 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

The bandage? He had to cover the Chicago Bulls logo he has tattooed on his shoulder/back because of copyright/trademark/whatever it is that applies to images. 

I always find that odd, because Survivor allowed Boston Rob to wear the Red Sox and Patriots hat but they do not allow anyone else to do that.  I get that it was part of his image but still.

Anyways, I am midly annoyed that all of my Tommy votes were for nothing.  I had been given him and Jackson the most votes.

[zorak]

I could really do without the sound effects that went along with this.

[vb68]

13 minutes ago, BK1978 said:

Anyways, I am midly annoyed that all of my Tommy votes were for nothing.

Tell me about it.

The more I think about it, I'm not sure there is a jury buyback. Would Julie go that hard at Jack if there was a chance he could come back?  I rather doubt it. That interview had the tone of "get to steppin'. You're done, son."

Edited August 9, 2019 by vb68

[Machiabelly]

1 hour ago, green said:

Jip is no big deal and stop purging English for something that no one remembers the roots too anyway.  Save the anger for real racism or it just gives real racists the ability to laugh and call "PC" on everything en masse.  Don't let them win with getting upset over nothing.

Kemi (that is her name) never imitated an ape when watching David on the TV monitor.  Bella never used the N word (which is a REAL racist word -- save the ammo for the intent of the user and not 17th century "roots" people don't even know about).

Firstly, it is gyp not jip 

Secondly, just because you don't think it is offensive or a "real" racist word doesn't change the fact that there are people who do

Which brings me to thirdly, intent can figure in to things, but not meaning to insult someone doesn't give a person free reign to use whatever words they want.

I do not think it rises near to the level of things that have been said in the house, but the timing of the usage was a little jarring. 

[Dance4Life]

25 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Aww. Call me crazy but I have a soft spot for Sis. She's not that nice of a girl but she's also not playing with a full deck of cards, AND I think the way Jack didn't even pretend to care about her was shitty. He didn't talk to her or show affection towards her. And she kind of knew it and expressed it multiple times. I mean she's a totally useless player and waste of space but I still feel bad for the way Jack treated her and Nick regularly acts like she's a sex toy.

You should watch Sis on BBAD.  She is such a cockteaser. 

Now, she has ‘sex tapes’ out there. So, she is now ‘sex toy’ for many men.

By now....all the HGs should have won any comp. 

Nicole and Sis are the ones who have not won anything. 

A lot of them turn out to be funk  .....so, this is how I start to judge them.

[Mystery]

13 minutes ago, vb68 said:

The more I think about it, I'm not sure there is a jury buyback. Would Julie go that hard at Jack if there was a chance he could come back?  I rather doubt it. That interview had the tone of "get to steppin'. You're done, son."

This is how I feel, although my opinion may be colored by the fact that I don't want to see Jack back. Julie gave him some information about how he's being seen outside the house. He could change his behavior if he went back in. Though I can't see how that could help his game, it still seems like an advantage. Of course, this season is already off the rails with some people having preexisting relationships. So maybe that's not a consideration for the showrunners. 

[Dance4Life]

57 minutes ago, Cutty said:

Also he's unemployed, hung up over his ex, and has no career or friends. What a catch!  

And, apparently no family!

Everyone in their speeches always mention loving their family, etc.

Jack said no such thing.  Even if he cannot talk about specific people.....he surely is allowed to say...I love you, Family!

Jack got a letter on his HOH .....from the dude that is watching his dog. A guy he barely knows.

Well, at least he looked better leaving the house.  He needs to keep his facial hair just like that.

Not too bushy or a bald face.  

[Callaphera]

7 minutes ago, Mystery said:

This is how I feel, although my opinion may be colored by the fact that I don't want to see Jack back. Julie gave him some information about how he's being seen outside the house. He could change his behavior if he went back in. Though I can't see how that could help his game, it still seems like an advantage. Of course, this season is already off the rails with some people having preexisting relationships. So maybe that's not a consideration for the showrunners. 

They were hinting to Jack and Jackson in the DR - if not outright telling them - that things they were saying weren't coming across the best way and he still didn't change his tune. They were just more careful and would say stuff like, "So... hot take," or the "Feeds feeds feeds," warning when they heard the cameras turning towards them/zooming in. Julie's interview won't change any of that. Look at what Jack said. It wasn't "I'm sorry" or "I shouldn't have said that". It was "Well, I was repeating what BB20's Sam said so" and "Well, Tommy said it first earlier that day as a joke so". None of it was Jack's fault. 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Callaphera

[mooses]

I actually totally forgot Sam said the, "Stomp a mudhole" comment last season. Remember when her deal to Fessy was that she'd quit smoking and he'd be saving her life? And her wacky monologues and maybe unrequited love in Production? And how crazy she got when Tyler didn't give her enough attention?

Man, what memories. She was a one-of-a-kind HG. Now I'm getting all nostalgic.

Edited August 9, 2019 by mooses

[Callaphera]

9 minutes ago, mooses said:

I actually totally forgot Sam said the, "Stomp a mudhole" comment last season. Remember when her deal to Fessy was that she'd quit smoking and he'd be saving her life? And her wacky monologues and maybe unrequited love in Production? And how crazy she got when Tyler didn't give her enough attention?

Man, what memories. She was a one-of-a-kind HG. Now I'm getting all nostalgic.

Remember when likable HGs got the week long punishment/costume and didn't make us all want to jump off a bridge? Memories! Salty peanut-y memories.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Callaphera

[Brian Cronin]

Man, Kaycee was such a sweetheart.

[Alice Mudgarden]

12 minutes ago, mooses said:

I actually totally forgot Sam said the, "Stomp a mudhole" comment last season.

I could never forget it if for no other reason than JC's priceless reaction after she left the room.

"... That was terrifying."

[Callaphera]

3 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Man, Kaycee was such a sweetheart.

Peanut!Kaycee was when I fell in love with her even though I was a FOUTTÉ fan. She was just so... joyful but not annoying in her peanut get-up with the dance and the song. 

[Mystery]

29 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

he still didn't change his tune. 

This is true. I guess I feel like Julie telling him things like that is an indication that the show wasn't going to let him go back, even if he wouldn't use the information to his advantage. 

I had forgotten that Sam *was* terrifying. 

[Callaphera]

Jack's extended interview with Julie is up.

[missyb]

Great goodbye messages. They aired all of them. Nicoles was very funny. Love that girl.

Edited August 9, 2019 by missyb

[BK1978]

41 minutes ago, Machiabelly said:

Secondly, just because you don't think it is offensive or a "real" racist word doesn't change the fact that there are people who do

But then by that logic nobody would be allowed to speak.  There are words that out there that might not offend you but would offend others.  You might not even be aware of it.

Until tonight I did not know the meaning of the word gyp.  I mean I knew it meant to rip people off but I never made the connection to what the origin of the word might be.  Therefore, I would have no idea that I was offending the one million people or so that would find the word offensive.  Granted I personally never use that word but still I am willing to bet that Julie is probably in the same camp as me and she probably does not know the origin of such a word.

I am not offended by the word mansplaining (I am not sure why there is no such word as womansplaining as there have been plenty of times women have talked down to me because they thought I was a dumb guy who could not understand what they were saying.  But I digress.), but I am sure that there are men out there that are.  If that was a word you used on a regular basis would you remove it from your everyday speech?

I am not saying I back racist speech, but I am saying it is tough to police everything you say and I would not want to live in a world where you have to do so.   

[mooses]

Analyse in Jack's GBM: "You turned my dark, cold heart warm and red again." 

Yep, she is trying to be Angela. 

[Callaphera]

3 minutes ago, mooses said:

Analyse in Jack's GBM: "You turned my dark, cold heart warm and red again." 

I loved Holly and Kat trolling him about whether they know each other or not. 

Kat: "Do we know each other? Do we not? Do we? Do we not?"

And props to Nicole for the shaker bottle joke. 

[mooses]

There's a picture of Tommy's mom with his aunts - Christie: "Are they single and do they like girls?"

A little bit later, Nick asks which one she'd go for - "You'd go for her, she looks like she has sass. Your Aunt Ro can cut. Is that the one Christie likes?"

Edited August 9, 2019 by mooses

[PhoneCop]

1 hour ago, BK1978 said:

15 hours ago, PhoneCop said:

So expressing uselessness mathematically: Sis > (Victoria + Kathy)

Would it be Sis > (Victoria + Kathy + Meg) or Sis < (Victoria + Kathy + Meg)?

I might go with Sis ≈ (Jenn City + Matt Cline), but these things are tricky to quantify.

How would Cowboy and Jee (Or was it Gee?  I am too lazy to look it up.) factor into these equations? 

Before my time. I didn't start watching until All-Stars. No better intro to the show than back-to-back wins by Boogie and Dick!

Nice that they brought in Allen to do a goodbye message for Jack but it wasn't nearly insulting enough for my liking.

[Mystery]

21 minutes ago, BK1978 said:

it is tough to police everything you say and I would not want to live in a world where you have to do so.   

But considering that the context was Julie admonishing Jack about the terrible things *he* said, in my opinion her use of the word was particularly egregious. I flinched when I heard her say it. I would flinch if I heard anyone say it. 

[Alice Mudgarden]

26 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Jack's extended interview with Julie is up.

He's so phony.

[Brian Cronin]

5 minutes ago, mooses said:

There's a picture of Tommy's mom with his aunts - Christie: "Are they single and do they like girls?"

A little bit later, Nick asks which one she'd go for - "You'd go for her, she looks like she has sass. Your Aunt Ro can cut. Is that the one Christie likes?"

I gotta give it up to Christie, that's pretty damn funny. 

[Alice Mudgarden]

13 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I loved Holly and Kat trolling him about whether they know each other or not. 

Kat: "Do we know each other? Do we not? Do we? Do we not?"

And him saying under his breath "I can't stand you" to Kat.

I'd say that means you're doing pretty well as a person, Kat.