S04.E07: Into The Lion's Den

[MajorNelson]

On 6/10/2019 at 5:12 PM, iwasish said:

Chantel was responsible for the fight. She ran to mommy and daddy and told them that Nicole had clapped when Chantel left the apartment. She knew it would fire her mother  up. Pedro had already told his sister that he expected her to be polite to Chantels family and she was. Mommy decided to start up some shit by asking Nicole about the “clapping” which she denied and Chantel jumped in and accused her of lying. Pedro wanted to have the girls change seats and that’s when River and Winter jumped in and the brawl started. 

You have a good explanation.

I've only seen like 10 seconds of the brawl but today, randomly, found this 6min segment.

During the fight, Nicole is on the ground, and two producers rush in to break the fight up.

[MajorNelson]

On 6/10/2019 at 8:30 PM, iwasish said:

the marriage started off on a lie to her family. It went downhill from there.

The fact that Chantel didn’t tell the truth to them, proved that she knew they would not be happy about the situation. Pedro’s mistake was going along with the lie. 

Pardon my ignorance, but what was the lie?

[MajorNelson]

On 6/11/2019 at 6:46 PM, brillia79 said:

We know Chantel makes enough money to sponsor a K1 visa for Pedro. Per Paul, that’s around $26000 minimum. 

Just to be clear, for Paul the $26,000 was for family of three.  2 would require less.

[MajorNelson]

15 hours ago, iwasish said:

Pedro was gone barely a week before Chantel got her ass over to the DR. I don’t see what the rush was.  Her parents told her not to go, with hints that “something” could happen to her. But she wants to go, so she gets her friends to fire her up about all the sneaky things Pedro might be up to.

I've figured...she is having Sharp wave money in front of her to pay the trip costs, and some Producer was whispering in her ear of how it makes sense for her to go and check things out.

I think Chantel would be easy to manipulate for such things: Just one - uphold her family name from the trash-talking Family Pedro, bla bla bla.

[Hannah94]

40 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Pardon my ignorance, but what was the lie?

For some unknown reason, I believe Chantel told her family that Pedro was visiting on a student visa when really he was here on a K1 visa to marry her. Two days before they married, she told the truth. 

[Hannah94]

5 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

I've figured...she is having Sharp wave money in front of her to pay the trip costs, and some Producer was whispering in her ear of how it makes sense for her to go and check things out.

100% agree. I believe Production offered up a gem that she could not refuse to get her to go there. No way in hell would I have gone in that situation, but I also would never participate in a trashy reality show (as entertaining as it is). I like to keep my trash hidden and on the down low!

[MajorNelson]

3 minutes ago, Hannah94 said:

For some unknown reason, I believe Chantel told her family that Pedro was visiting on a student visa when really he was here on a K1 visa to marry her. Two days before they married, she told the truth. 

oooh, thanks.

[brillia79]

7 hours ago, RealReality said:

This is true, I'm sure Pedro has time off work, but lets assume he works on job though I've heard he works two.  He works eight hours, they seem to have one car that he doesn't drive so he gets home somehow, he sleeps eight hours, he comes home, relaxes, plays his gaming system and hangs out with Chantal.  It doesn't leave a ton of time to shit talk Chantal....especially if you're working more than one job and starting a business.  

Based in what the show has shown us, which is one vent session with nicole combines with the fact that Pedro has a rather full schedule doing a pretty physical job, maybe two of them and starting a business and whatever is involved in that I don't think he spends quality time all day shittalking Chantal.  However, it seems to be family Chantal's only mission in life.  Ostensibly so they could get a reality show.

Frankly they should have floated a reality show that features Pedro handing River his ass every week.  I haven't watched an ass whupping that satisfying in a while.  

We haven't seen Pedro actively or excessively feeding Lidia bad information.  The information about the fight she likely got from Nicole.  Which is what Lidia was angry about.  

No matter how the upsetting information was obtained there is a nobility in keeping your loved one from getting humiliated, ganged up on and shit all over.

Libby's problem is that she shit stirs and then sets people up for a confrontation, so the two aren't alike in my book.  Pedro did what he could to avoid the confrontation between Chantal/Lidia, but Chantal was having no part of it.  She needed to show up, unwanted and uninvited in her most low cut get up, make herself even more despised by Lidia and ruin Pedro's trip because she is a miserable crone. 

I mean seriously, at this point, if Lidia hates Chantal it's probably not based on what Pedro is telling her....Nicole would have told her about the fight and Chantal made herself even less likable to Lidia by her behavior at the house.

But to hear Chantal tell it, Pedro has to hold back all of his pride when her family holds him captive so they can shit all over him because "it's so important for there to be family harmony".  If she really felt that way, she wouldn't have behaved the way she did with Lidia. Because what harmony did that encourage or create?  

And does she think that this is going to endear her to anyone in Pedro's life, or is the idea to completely alienate him from his friends and family so the only family he has contact with is Chantals shitty family?  Yuck.  Run Pedro. Run.  

I think it’s a stretch to assume Lidia rarely speaks to her son and that she only got the events of the fight from Nicole. Someone so hellbent on paying his mother’s way through life wouldn’t likely let significant amounts of time lapse between conversations. But if we go only by what we saw on the show, we saw Lidia call Chantel’s family “Stupid Americans,” and behave despicably before the dinner fight ever happened. The prenup triggered her.

Im not giving Pedro credit for protecting Chantel, because much like the title of the episode, he insisted she go right into the lion’s den. Chantel never had to set foot in Lidia’s apartment. Pedro insisted on that. What a great protector. 

Lidia, Nicole and Pedro are all going to be on that spinoff show. Family Chantel aren’t the only thirsty ones seeking fame.

i could care less about Chantel’s breasts. They don’t make Pedro do things. That’s old news for him now. I care more about Nicole offering her married brother a new pair of breasts in the form of her friend.

If Pedro’s wife makes him so miserable, he can divorce her at any time. He’s so miserable, he keeps being on this show and agreed to a spin-off. Misery pays well, I guess. 

[OliversMom]

I enjoy trashy reality junk tv as much as the next person, but watching Chantel and Pedro’s marriage go down the toilet is starting to feel more like rubbernecking on a bad accident than entertaining television.  

From all appearances, they have/had a genuine love for each other at the beginning.  Neither party is innocent, although I would say a larger part of the blame rests on Chantel.  Her choice to let her family continue to be overbearing and overly involved is a personal one whereas Pedro’s choice to send money and help provide luxuries is largely cultural.  

I do give him more credit than her for trying to defuse tense situations, she seems like she enjoys drama more than him.  They both need to learn to keep their families out of their marriage though, it does so much damage in coloring their opinion of a spouse.  

As for Lidia, I’m no fan of hers but I can absolutely understand why she said she’d have beat up everyone.  She wasn’t threatening Chantel to hit here there and then, she said if she had been present when the fight took place she’d have stepped in to defend her kids.  Mine aren’t adults yet, but I’d like to think that if we were in a similar situation, I’d gladly step in to hand out a beating and defend my kids.  

I hope they can get a good marriage counselor and try to fix this mess. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by OliversMom

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, brillia79 said:

I think it’s a stretch to assume Lidia rarely speaks to her son and that she only got the events of the fight from Nicole. Someone so hellbent on paying his mother’s way through life wouldn’t likely let significant amounts of time lapse between conversations. But if we go only by what we saw on the show, we saw Lidia call Chantel’s family “Stupid Americans,” and behave despicably before the dinner fight ever happened. The prenup triggered her.

Im not giving Pedro credit for protecting Chantel, because much like the title of the episode, he insisted she go right into the lion’s den. Chantel never had to set foot in Lidia’s apartment. Pedro insisted on that. What a great protector. 

Lidia, Nicole and Pedro are all going to be on that spinoff show. Family Chantel aren’t the only thirsty ones seeking fame.

i could care less about Chantel’s breasts. They don’t make Pedro do things. That’s old news for him now. I care more about Nicole offering her married brother a new pair of breasts in the form of her friend.

If Pedro’s wife makes him so miserable, he can divorce her at any time. He’s so miserable, he keeps being on this show and agreed to a spin-off. Misery pays well, I guess. 

I think it would be completely bizarre and weird for a spouse to suddenly interrupt the others vacation to visit family in another country....when that was never the plan....and then refuse to see the family that is in the same area.  That's just weird to me.  But, had Chantal done what she was begged to do and kept herself in Atlanta, there wouldn't have been any need.  Pedro did what he reasonably could to avoid that confrontation.   The fault lies with Chantal for showing up uninvited and unwanted by all.  She could have avoided the Lions den by staying home....as she was begged to do.

And then.....since family harmony is so important....after showing up uninvited and unwanted she was going to endear herself to his family by interrupting the little time he has with them?  

The prenup conversation happened....literally years ago so I don't think it has bearing in Pedro's level or content of communication with Lidia.  And I haven't heard Lidia call Americans stupid since that time.  But even if she did, that really doesn't mean that Pedro said something, it just means that she has negative feelings about Americans...sad to say, but it happens.

I assume that Lidia got the story from Nicole because of course she would tell her mother immediately.  She is a young girl who lives with her mom and probably hasn't spent a significant time away from her.  I'm far older and I'd tell my mom if that happened to me.  Nicole owes no fealty to Chantal.  Lidia may have then asked Pedro to confirm details, but that story about the fight likely came from Nicole.  That's not on Pedro for shittalking, because just an objective retelling of the facts makes Chantals family look like the shitstirring assholes they are.  So unless he was expected to directly contradict Nicole and lie nothing would have made that better.

And then, of course, Chantal goes there and is rude and demanding, making Lidia dislike her even more.  That's on Chantal, for behaving shitty.

Pedro has said on multiple occasions, that he wants his family to act civilly.  I get the impression that he is genuine in that regard and that means he likely doesn't tell his mother much of anything. 

The fact that Lidia ONLY brought up the fight and not a barrage of other stuff also let's me know that Pedro isn't spending his time shittalking Chantal to his mother or she would have brought up other stuff too.

Edited June 13, 2019 by RealReality

[Lemur]

So, who wins "Worst Person of the Week"?

-Azzan for bailing on Grenada (as if he was ever going)

-Andrrrrrrei, who must not be terrorized with your pregnancy

-Pao for existing

-The two-headed misery monster that is Pedro and Chantal

Floor is open for nominations or feel free to cast your vote.

[RealReality]

2 minutes ago, Lemur said:

So, who wins "Worst Person of the Week"?

-Azzan for bailing on Grenada (as if he was ever going)

-Andrrrrrrei, who must not be terrorized with your pregnancy

-Pao for existing

-The two-headed misery monster that is Pedro and Chantal

Floor is open for nominations or feel free to cast your vote.

No Libby?

It's going to be a photo finish, but I think between these contestants, Andrei wins by a scootch.

[Drogo]

5 minutes ago, RealReality said:

No Libby?

IMO the non-asshole embryos in Libby and Pao's abdomens raise their averages.  Like a bad hotel with a really good rooftop bar. 

Re: Chantel and Pedro, certainly there are many couples whose very happiness depends on one not tagging along when visits to certain in-laws are made.  Those couples simply do not visit each other's in-laws together, and instead spend that time apart and enforce boundaries with their respective families re: shit-talking the absentee partner. 

The only thing that matters is the way they feel about each other, but unfortunately both Chantel and Pedro are so baby-brained they believe happiness can only be gained from Kumbaya+FamilyPedro+FamilyChantel.

[Lemur]

27 minutes ago, Drogo said:

IMO the non-asshole embryos in Libby and Pao's abdomens raise their averages.  Like a bad hotel with a really good rooftop bar. 

That and Libby gets a pass for triggering Andrei into entering the phrase "DO NOT TERRORIZE ME WITH YOUR PREGNANCY*" into my vernacular.  

*Extra points if pronounced in a gutteral, Eastern Bloc accent. 

[doyouevengohere]

Azan wins the best cast member for not giving Nickel what she wants and for not appearing on camera.

[Drogo]

1 minute ago, Lemur said:

*Extra points if pronounced in a gutteral, Eastern Bloc accent. 

Andrei when Elizabeth is repeating all the shit her sisters said about him:

Andrei at a baby shower:

Andrei regarding Elizabeth's pregnancy cravings:

Andrei moving out of the house his FIL gave him for free:

Andrei being offered a job:

Andrei during Elizabeth's labor:

[PinkFlamingo]

On 6/11/2019 at 7:34 PM, Cini said:

I dislike both Family Chantel and Family Pedro. 

I understand that Chantel’s parents weren’t thrilled that their daughter married a man from a poor country without job-skills, prospects, or money. Green Card scams do happen, so I understand their concern. However, they could have given him a chance to prove himself. They were hostile from the beginning and Mother Chantel is downright offensive with taking off her rings and getting a stun gun. When the stun gun came out, Chantel should have finally put down her foot and informed her family that things have gone too far. She didn’t. She just sat there looking stupid.   Family Pedro is just as bad. Is Mother Pedro really a lawyer, or does she just work for a lawyer? Has anybody researched that? It doesn’t make sense to me that neither of  her children has much of an education if she is indeed a lawyer. Both Lidia and Nicole have been rude to Family Chantel and they are no better than them.

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Agree, and I too wonder about mother Pedro. How many lawyers wear bodycon dresses that would look bad on a 16 year old, slouches around and manages to find horizontal sitting positions in chairs, threatens to beat up groups of people, etc. I know there are some bad lawyers out there, but really. 

[LGGirl]

On 6/10/2019 at 5:12 PM, iwasish said:

Chantel was responsible for the fight. She ran to mommy and daddy and told them that Nicole had clapped when Chantel left the apartment. She knew it would fire her mother  up. Pedro had already told his sister that he expected her to be polite to Chantels family and she was. Mommy decided to start up some shit by asking Nicole about the “clapping” which she denied and Chantel jumped in and accused her of lying. Pedro wanted to have the girls change seats and that’s when River and Winter jumped in and the brawl started. 

I’m a MIL.  My kids tell me things about their spouses.   Some pretty bad.  One spouse, I’d like to drop kick out of the family.  I know how to handle the information and not to bring it up to start an altercation.   I will counsel my child, but know that they have to make their own choices.  

Chantel should be able to tell her parents anything without resulting in a brawl.  The fight is not her fault.  Her mother started it.  The purpose of that dinner was to call out Nichole and Pedro.   Mother Chantel got what she wanted.  

Bottomline:   Chantel is not responsible for her parents’ actions.   They are.  

[LGGirl]

17 hours ago, RealReality said:

I think it's a very noble gesture to keep someone away from people they hate and cannot get along with.  Why would you want your loved one to be subjected to that?   

The noble gesture would be to tell your family that this is my spouse.  If you want a relationship with me, then treat my spouse kindly.   What happened in the past needs to stay there.  

Both Pedro and Chantel need to say this to their respective families.   And both need to stop bitching to them about each other.  Both Pedro and Chantel put their family of origin first over their marriage.  

[RealReality]

40 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

The noble gesture would be to tell your family that this is my spouse.  If you want a relationship with me, then treat my spouse kindly.   What happened in the past needs to stay there.  

Both Pedro and Chantel need to say this to their respective families.   And both need to stop bitching to them about each other.  Both Pedro and Chantel put their family of origin first over their marriage.  

That's ideal, but that's a big ask when there has been so much bad blood between everyone.  Especially when Lidia's child was in the middle of a brawl that was instigated by her daughter in laws family.

Nicole is bratty, but she is still only 20 years old and that must have been scary for her to be in the middle of a fight and have her extensions pulled out and someone threatening to call immigration on you.  I can't imagine how shook and scared she must have been telling her mother about it which would put a lot of parents in rage mode.  And then to have to see that on television?  With mother Chantal waving around the extensions like a prize and screeching about calling immigration.  Oh boy.

So yeah, "treat my spouse with respect or else you can't be around me" is ideal, but realistically the best thing to do...is to keep everyone away from each other so your spouse isn't subjected to being treated poorly.

Agreed that Chantal and Pedro need not to discuss marital problems with their family.  I haven't seen very much of that from Pedro recently, it's pretty much been the session where he vented to Nicole.  Even with that other couple, im pretty sure Chantal brought brought out their dirty laundry first.  I think that, had pedro been shittalking chantal to Lidia, she would have been sure to air it when she and Chantal had their "sit down"

[Lemur]

47 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

The noble gesture would be to tell your family that this is my spouse.  If you want a relationship with me, then treat my spouse kindly.   What happened in the past needs to stay there.  

Both Pedro and Chantel need to say this to their respective families.   And both need to stop bitching to them about each other.  Both Pedro and Chantel put their family of origin first over their marriage.  

I'd say that would work, to some extent, in a normal family but let's be honest.  The Family Chantal is faaaaar from normal even without the cameras there.  And the cameras are adding ten pounds of drama to the situation, especially for Mother Chantal.  She's eating it up like a kid given a gallon of ice cream and a spoon.  (Could you imagine growing up with her as your parent?  And trying to compete in something that's subjectively scored like cheer?  What a nightmare.) For some reason, she rubs me the wrong way worse than the rest of these people.

[RealReality]

3 hours ago, Drogo said:

IMO the non-asshole embryos in Libby and Pao's abdomens raise their averages.  Like a bad hotel with a really good rooftop bar. 

Re: Chantel and Pedro, certainly there are many couples whose very happiness depends on one not tagging along when visits to certain in-laws are made.  Those couples simply do not visit each other's in-laws together, and instead spend that time apart and enforce boundaries with their respective families re: shit-talking the absentee partner. 

The only thing that matters is the way they feel about each other, but unfortunately both Chantel and Pedro are so baby-brained they believe happiness can only be gained from Kumbaya+FamilyPedro+FamilyChantel.

LOL, Libby's baby better be the next mother theresa to keep her off the list 😂

[Lemur]

2 hours ago, Drogo said:

Andrei at a baby shower:

 ... snip ...

Andrei during Elizabeth's labor:

In the words of the venerable Vin Diesel as Xander Cage, "I live for this shit".

Bless your heart and bless the Internet for delivering this art unto us all.

[SabineElisabeth]

I've been somewhat mystified that Chantel and Pedro are the only ones to get a spin off show, as they are so far down my list of interesting couples from this show.  But this thread provides ample evidence others are not only interested, but quite passionately invested - yikes!  I just can't quite make myself care about them for some reason. Not sure if it's because their "issue" seems so clear-cut this level of drama must be fake or what... but other than generally hoping a genuinely good marriage hasn't gone bad, I don't have enough fucks to give about them to make it worth switching to their show from my reruns of House Hunters.

About Nicole and Azan, I feel like I've missed something with them. Azan can't get approved to come to the US, and got turned away from wherever it was Nicole tried to lure him to be mauled before Grenada, but why???  Have we ever been given the reason Azan seems banned by the world? Or any indication Nicole knows why?  Or even really comprehends there's a huge underlying issue here?  In the meantime  we continue to watch their international game of cat and mouse... and the longer these two are on this show, the more unsure I am Nicole is the only one being victimized. In fact, I'm about to the point of saying Nicole and Azan are both using each other and deserve what they get.  Azan will continue to drain Nicole of what little money she has, and Nicole will continue to chase and stalk Azan... with little May being the only innocent participant in their sad drama.

Edited June 13, 2019 by SabineElisabeth

[Drogo]

1 minute ago, SabineElisabeth said:

Azan can't get approved to come to the US, and got turned away from wherever it was Nicole tried to lure him to be mauled before Grenada, but why???  Have we ever been given the reason Azan seems banned by the world? Or any indication Nicole knows why? 

He overstayed his visa when he visited the last nightmare woman he swindled was in love with.

[LGGirl]

52 minutes ago, RealReality said:

That's ideal, but that's a big ask when there has been so much bad blood between everyone.  Especially when Lidia's child was in the middle of a brawl that was instigated by her daughter in laws family

No, it’s not.  The families need to decide if they love their kids more and want a relationship more than they hate their spouses.  The kids need to decide if their marriage is more important than their dysfunctional families.  

Either way, the children really have all the power.  If their families can’t be civil, they walk.   So, yes, it’s easy.  

I know this because I’m not a fan of one of my kid’s spouses.   I’ve had to make that choice.  The love for my kids outweighs any dislike for someone else.  

[Hannah94]

5 hours ago, Lemur said:

So, who wins "Worst Person of the Week"?

-Azzan for bailing on Grenada (as if he was ever going)

-Andrrrrrrei, who must not be terrorized with your pregnancy

-Pao for existing

-The two-headed misery monster that is Pedro and Chantal

Floor is open for nominations or feel free to cast your vote.

I think Libby is in first place. Pao grates my nerves but she was uncharacteristically mild in the most recent episode.

[OliversMom]

4 hours ago, LGGirl said:

I’m a MIL.  My kids tell me things about their spouses.   Some pretty bad.  One spouse, I’d like to drop kick out of the family.  I know how to handle the information and not to bring it up to start an altercation.   I will counsel my child, but know that they have to make their own choices.  

Chantel should be able to tell her parents anything without resulting in a brawl.  The fight is not her fault.  Her mother started it.  The purpose of that dinner was to call out Nichole and Pedro.   Mother Chantel got what she wanted.  

Bottomline:   Chantel is not responsible for her parents’ actions.   They are.  

True, Chantel can’t control her family’s actions.  But if she knows there’s a clear prejudice against her spouse, you’d think she’d be smart enough not to add fuel to their dumpster fire.  

And of course, the same goes for Pedro.  

The line is ‘forsaking all others’ for a reason. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by OliversMom

[Jeanne222]

Personally I think they are all in it for the money !!

[Mrs. Hanson]

6 hours ago, OliversMom said:

True, Chantel can’t control her family’s actions.  But if she knows there’s a clear prejudice against her spouse, you’d think she’d be smart enough not to add fuel to their dumpster fire.  

And of course, the same goes for Pedro.  

The line is ‘forsaking all others’ for a reason. 

So true.  Look, I went to my mom (my dad had passed) to say I wanted to leave my hubby (this was 2011) and she was shocked.  And we were married for 17 years.  I just never shared all the ding bat stuff he did (no cheating, nothing major, just......no, lol) because even when I was thinking "Gee this is not my road" I hung in there, in case it became my road, ya know?  I did not want my family to think less of him.  Now?  They are like "Girl, what WAS the deal???"  (Outside the presence of my kids, of course.)

[RealReality]

12 hours ago, LGGirl said:

No, it’s not.  The families need to decide if they love their kids more and want a relationship more than they hate their spouses.  The kids need to decide if their marriage is more important than their dysfunctional families.  

Either way, the children really have all the power.  If their families can’t be civil, they walk.   So, yes, it’s easy.  

I know this because I’m not a fan of one of my kid’s spouses.   I’ve had to make that choice.  The love for my kids outweighs any dislike for someone else.  

It's simple, but not easy.

And I don't think it should be easy to hold your tongue when your child has been in the middle of some brawl started by a grown ass woman and her son and then watch as your other child is blamed nonstop by his wife on national TV for the fight that her family started.

I don't think it's easy to recognize that your mother's feelings of disgust at the way you and your sister were treated are justified but then demand that she stop being upset about it or stop talking to you.  I dont think it should be easy for anyone to give up their family.  It's simple but it's not easy and it shouldn't be easy.

It doesn't seem like Lidia made it a point to reach out to Chantal in the United States.  So, it seems that if Chantal had just stayed home, Lidia wouldn't have been in a rush to make her feelings known to Chantal. 

I can't imagine it was easy for you to see your child hurt and mistreated and to hold your tongue when given an ultimatum.  It must be hard, no one likes to see their lives one doing worse than they would like.

Edited June 14, 2019 by RealReality

[Lemur]

6 hours ago, RealReality said:

It doesn't seem like Lidia made it a point to reach out to Chantal in the United States.  So, it seems that if Chantal had just stayed home, Lidia wouldn't have been in a rush to make her feelings known to Chantal. 

I think that would have just been delaying the inevitable.  Those two are a time bomb and the only way to turn the timer off is divorce. 

Edited June 14, 2019 by Lemur

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, Lemur said:

I think that would have just been delaying the inevitable.  Those two are a time bomb and the only way to turn the timer off is divorce. 

Possibly, though I think that time....a LOT of time, may have softened things a bit, and the confrontation would have been a little less loaded.  It's why I think I try to avoid anger, because then I have to remember to be mad all the time and it's just another thing on my plate.  Staying at rage level 9 is hard work!

However, I think you're right that at this point hypotheticals are mostly a mental exercise because in reality, it's all gone past the point of no return.  

Thank goodness they didn't get pregnant and Chantal can walk away with her fortune intact thanks to that prenup!

Edited June 14, 2019 by RealReality

[AZChristian]

16 minutes ago, RealReality said:

...Chantal can walk away with her fortune intact thanks to that prenup!

Didn't a lawyer for another couple (not sure who) say that a pre-nup in these cases is not very useful?  No matter what, the American has agreed to be obligated to the US government for 10 years, if the non-American goes on welfare or uses other government benefits (food stamps, health care.  According to the lawyer we saw on another episode, the government's hold is stronger than a pre-nup.

I don't think Pedro is likely to be using government assistance, but if Karine gets here with the baby . . . watch out!

[Drogo]

26 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Didn't a lawyer for another couple (not sure who) say that a pre-nup in these cases is not very useful?  No matter what, the American has agreed to be obligated to the US government for 10 years, if the non-American goes on welfare or uses other government benefits (food stamps, health care.  According to the lawyer we saw on another episode, the government's hold is stronger than a pre-nup.

Not useful for getting out of the 10 year commitment to minimum living expenses, but still useful towards keeping assets you had prior to the marriage.

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

I don't think Pedro is likely to be using government assistance, but if Karine gets here with the baby . . . watch out!

Well now that someone in that family is making the princely sum of $26,000 a year I assume the child will be living like little Lord fauntelroy.

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, RealReality said:

Well now that someone in that family is making the princely sum of $26,000 a year I assume the child will be living like little Lord fauntelroy.

Okay - I have posted a bit here and there about my two college age sons.  We are close, quite close, actually.   They text me, we kiss each other on the cheek publicly, we hang out.  They have plenty of friends, both male and female that they hang out with.   Having said that:  never in a million years would I give my sons a lock of my hair.  That creeped me out.  Hair?  Here sons, have my wisdom teeth that were pulled.  

[Lemur]

1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Okay - I have posted a bit here and there about my two college age sons.  We are close, quite close, actually.   They text me, we kiss each other on the cheek publicly, we hang out.  They have plenty of friends, both male and female that they hang out with.   Having said that:  never in a million years would I give my sons a lock of my hair.  That creeped me out.  Hair?  Here sons, have my wisdom teeth that were pulled.  

Sooooo .... you're saying you *don't* want your sons to clone you?  

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Okay - I have posted a bit here and there about my two college age sons.  We are close, quite close, actually.   They text me, we kiss each other on the cheek publicly, we hang out.  They have plenty of friends, both male and female that they hang out with.   Having said that:  never in a million years would I give my sons a lock of my hair.  That creeped me out.  Hair?  Here sons, have my wisdom teeth that were pulled.  

It's so bizarre, I wonder if it's some weird family tradition and they all sit around at Christmas swapping hair.  

Poor karine.....good luck girl!

[Jeanne222]

What I will never understand is why Elizabeth's family continues on supporting that discontent.

Why don't they let them sink or swim.  Let the bills pile up on Andrees countertop while he sips his beer and writes BS and lords it over everybody?

Stop rescuing HIM!  Elizabeth will not suffer.  She will always have a home to go to but he's her choice and not working is his choice so let them figure it all out.  Geeez.

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 6/9/2019 at 11:22 PM, DaphneCat said:

While Andrei was VERY heavy handed about the phone (and I'm NOT saying his actions were correct) he actually had a very good point about the sisters.  STOP ENGAGING!  He doesn't seem to like them and he doesn't think they like him either so stop trying to make "happy family" happen. 

I guffawed when she said, "I'm just supposed to ignore them?"  Uh, yes.  For a couple of seconds, anyway, so (1) it won't feed into the fight you're currently having with your husband, and (2) you can actually think about your response before sending it.  There was absolutely nothing urgent going on.

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On 6/11/2019 at 8:53 AM, Drogo said:

Elizabeth, do better.  If I ever snatched away my lady's phone like that, she'd kill me later in my sleep.

I'd probably react the same way, but still have to acknowledge his technique.  That was like a surgical strike, where the phone was in her hand one second and his hand the next.  The precision kind of reminded me of when Obama killed the fly that had landed on his arm during an interview. 

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On 6/10/2019 at 11:39 AM, Lemur said:

I don't think he was so much horrified at the thought of giving birth in bath tub as he was to giving birth in *that* bath tub with the weird stain.  (Was it a weird stain?  Was there water in it?  A weird shadow?  I dunno.)

I don't know what he was thinking, but I was horrified by the bathtub.  It looked like what they have in the corner of "fantasy suite" motel rooms, and that yellowed rubber stopper with the chain dangling loose certainly didn't help.

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On 6/12/2019 at 1:30 PM, Kangatush said:

I just want to throw in a small palate cleanser and say that I super dug the midwife.  She was chill, honest, and no nonsense.  I can see her trotting after a waddling Pao with her little medical bag.  I would completely trust her to deliver my (non-existent) child.

Boy, not me.  She looked more like one of the talent on this show than a midwife.  I don't know if she intended for the tattoos to give the impression that she was wearing a shirt, but I wasn't fooled.

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On 6/11/2019 at 10:36 AM, funky-rat said:

In the pre-internet days, I managed to track down a bunch of people who were involved in a project that I was writing a paper on.  I just needed a few hours, and the phone books of some major metro areas.

I think it was actually easier to find people in pre-internet days, when there were phone books, free and available to anyone, with distant ones and city directories available at the library. 

[Witchz]

The thing with Chantal and Pedro is really quite simple and it is this - when hating on your spouses mother its like you are hating on them because they are half their mother and no matter how mad you think a person is or even they think - it will put a huge wall between you and them. Period. 

Also Chantal has this thing with wanting to be right and prove herself or her family to the world and that is a mistake and hard habit to break. The way she wants to bring up the fight and relive it is really bad like move on girl. I understand Pedros mother bringing it up as she hadnt spoke to Chantal about it yet. 

After your family physically attacks a your spouse - they should apologize not justify their behavior. 

This crap with these people is so far out there that I am leaning towards it all being fake for the chance to be invited back and now get their own show. 

[Kid]

On 6/13/2019 at 8:35 AM, Lemur said:

So, who wins "Worst Person of the Week"?

-Azzan for bailing on Grenada (as if he was ever going)

-Andrrrrrrei, who must not be terrorized with your pregnancy

-Pao for existing

-The two-headed misery monster that is Pedro and Chantal

Floor is open for nominations or feel free to cast your vote.

Pao for existing is my vote!!  

[Mothra]

On 6/7/2019 at 8:51 PM, Mrs. Hanson said:

Nicole:  Do you have a hobby?  An interest?  ANYTHING?  I would find it exhausting to have someone so into me to the point of having nothing else to do except pay attention to me.  If I wanted that I would sign up for PrisonMates.com* and get with a dude who has nothing else to do all day except avoid getting assaulted in the shower and writing six page letters to me.  Seems like Azan is in a prison of his own (sort of) making.  Nicole is the warden!!!  Azan is in jail!  I am watching the rerun now and I am perplexed:  "We are going to Grenada so we can show affection in public."  That's it?  See some sights?  Have some local food?  Learn some culture? Enrich your life?  Where will May be when you are groping him on the beach?  Playing in the water unsupervised?  Two weeks in Grenada to lounge on the beach?  Look, I love the beach but that would bore me silly.  

I was thinking about Azan/Nicole and it occurs to me that she knows nothing about him or his culture and doesn't want to.  All she is interested in is sex with him.  He at least makes an effort to do other things with her--hiking in the desert, taking her to the bazaar, trying to teach her about good manners in his country, encouraging her to exercise--interest in her beyond fucking.  She has absolutely no interest in him beyond his genitals--well, I guess in hands and lips, too, for making out and feeling up in public.  I think Azan could tell you a few things about Nicole beyond what a pain in the ass she is about wanting sex all the time; I doubt that she could tell you much about him beyond she likes sex with My World.  And she's visited his country several times!  I bet she couldn't even talk about Moroccan food beyond things that ick her out.

There has been speculation here about Azan's sexuality.  If lack of desire for Nicole is all it takes to be labeled gay, at least 80% of the male population is gay--and that's accounting for chubby chasers.  It's not just her fat that is repellent.  Her complete lack of interest in *anything* but sex might be appealing if she were someone who excited sexual desire just by her looks, but that ship has sailed.  She's a boring, awful person who happens to be fat.

[Mothra]

On 6/10/2019 at 3:50 PM, FurBabyMama said:

Pao seriously bugs me. This may sound insensitive to some, and if it does I apologize. But she only knew she was pregnant for 2 days before she had the miscarriage! I have had 5 miscarriages, and I had a couple that I lost right after I had a positive pregnancy test. Those were so much easier to recover from than the ones where I were further along. And it just bugs me how she goes on and on and on about this baby they lost. 

And I don’t blame Russ for being nervous about deivering with a midwife. First, for me anyway she didn’t seem very professional. I’m not sure I would trust her either. And I don’t trust birthing centers. If something goes wrong, then you have to wait for them to call 911, take you to the hospital and then take care of it. If something goes wrong in a hospital, they can have the baby delivered in minutes. They can get the baby immediate attention if needed. I have nothing against midwives, I think they’re great at what they do, but I would only ever go to one if I would be delivering jn a hospital. It’s too big a risk to me to deliver In a birthing center. 

I think that birthing center had some kind of affiliation with an obstetrician.  In the opening shot, where they're approaching the front door, there is a big sign over the door saying Dr. Whoever, so I'm not sure this birthing center is as free-floating as we might believe.

On 6/10/2019 at 10:10 AM, Pepper Mostly said:

I was waiting for Debbie to clutch her chest and pretend to faint. Guaranteed she will come up with a "heart condition" within the next two weeks.

"I'm comin' Elizabeth!"

[zillabreeze]

21 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I don't know what he was thinking, but I was horrified by the bathtub.  It looked like what they have in the corner of "fantasy suite" motel rooms, and that yellowed rubber stopper with the chain dangling loose certainly didn't help.

That was such an EEEWWW moment.  I once read that almost no hotel maid knows how to properly clean a Jacuzzi tub.  Something about skin cells and people funk sitting in those jets.  You couldn't pay me to get in one, much less give birth.🤮🤢🤢

[sasha206]

On 6/13/2019 at 10:22 AM, Lemur said:

That and Libby gets a pass for triggering Andrei into entering the phrase "DO NOT TERRORIZE ME WITH YOUR PREGNANCY*" into my vernacular.  

*Extra points if pronounced in a gutteral, Eastern Bloc accent. 

Even though I know I shouldn't, I did laugh when Andrei uttered that.  

[ChristmasJones]

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[Porkchop]

I'm skipping all entries that include the names Pedro or Chantal! Aaarrgh! And now you tell me they are going to have their own show? That's the worst news ever. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

9 hours ago, Mothra said:

I was thinking about Azan/Nicole and it occurs to me that she knows nothing about him or his culture and doesn't want to.  All she is interested in is sex with him.  He at least makes an effort to do other things with her--hiking in the desert, taking her to the bazaar, trying to teach her about good manners in his country, encouraging her to exercise--interest in her beyond fucking.  She has absolutely no interest in him beyond his genitals--well, I guess in hands and lips, too, for making out and feeling up in public.  I think Azan could tell you a few things about Nicole beyond what a pain in the ass she is about wanting sex all the time; I doubt that she could tell you much about him beyond she likes sex with My World.  And she's visited his country several times!  I bet she couldn't even talk about Moroccan food beyond things that ick her out.

There has been speculation here about Azan's sexuality.  If lack of desire for Nicole is all it takes to be labeled gay, at least 80% of the male population is gay--and that's accounting for chubby chasers.  It's not just her fat that is repellent.  Her complete lack of interest in *anything* but sex might be appealing if she were someone who excited sexual desire just by her looks, but that ship has sailed.  She's a boring, awful person who happens to be fat.

^^^^this 1000%!    At the wedding reception food testing:  No questions about the food, why it is a staple, what it represents, nothing.  She just asked for pigs in a blanket.  Such history in Morocco yet Nicole wants to head back to the motel and paw at Azan.

I don't think Azan is gay.   I don't care if he is.  If he is, he is.  I do think he is a grifter, a scam artist and a liar.  I truly don't think he thought the con would last this long, Nicole would be long gone by now.  I don't think his disinterest in her has as much to do with her body as her plain personality.  As I said upthread, does she have a hobby?  An interest?  Hell, her DAUGHTER does not seem to interest her as much as Azan.  My hubby and and I each have separate interests:  When he heads up to his hunting cabin my response is "Let me help you pack."  When I head to Glacier to hike, he helped me plan the trip.  Nicole?  "Azan?  Why are you leaving?  Where are you going?  Kiss me now in the open air market before you leave!"