S10.E11: Leaving Las Vegas

[Kohola3]

1 hour ago, Kyanight said:

And now the Browns left Las Vegas and might be jailed because of Arizona state laws?  Oh the irony!  

Really?  What happened that I missed??

[Tuxcat]

3 hours ago, LoneWolf said:

Can someone please help me out, here?  We all seem pretty certain that the 'Leavingk Las Vegas' is likely due to incredible lack of foresight and planning for the long term, an indiscernible process of decision making, and general idiocy  finances and that Flagstaff was chosen because angels/trees/singingk  Day-uhn is attendingk college there. My question is this: is Day-uhn so disabled that he still requires his mother's constant supervision and such that the inept caveman overlord must include a second en-suite setup in the Mountain View McMansion Monstrosity of Prairie Dog Plague for Day-uhn to live the rest of his days? I think I remember him as being on the autism spectrum, but there are many on the spectrum who live independently, attend school, and hold down jobs. Is Robyn pathologically overprotective and controlling or is Day-uhn truly incapable of independent or semi-Independent living?  

I adore my (now tween/early teen) children and on occasion reminisce about when they were little, but I have always maintained that one of the most important aspects of parenting is teaching them to individuate and learn how to independently take care of themselves. I have always tried to teach them how to make wise decisions and guided them through age appropriate independence. Right now, as they navigate their lives, they have my husband and I to guide them and offer safety nets as they figure things out. I won't be around forever to make decisions for my kids, and Robyn won't always be there for her kids. 

The fact that many children and four households are being uprooted, the high schoolers' achievements and excellent opportunities have been denied, the kids' pain and struggle have been dismissed and even ridiculed, these people irresponsibly purchased undeveloped land without considering all that is involved (water, sewer, electricity, road construction), they bought land and a house before selling the four Vegas homes, they are renting three home of varying sizes and locations, they are effectively ensuring financial ruin, and by abandoning the place the majority of the kids have spent their formative years, Kody's desire to have all the kids and grandchildren around perpetually is actually accomplishing the opposite --I hope the cost is worth it just to be close to one kid..... who is an adult in college. 

I am not 100 percent sure the move was entirely for Dayton. TLC probably also pressured Kody to move somewhere somehow for a ratings boost. Their show was at risk for cancellation. However I do think Dayton and his college choice had something to do with their chosen location.

Regarding Asperger's, which is what I believe he was diagnosed with: Classically, people with Asperger's are extremely intelligent but they do struggle with judgement and decision making in every day life.  Many have a great struggle in living outside the routines of the home. So I actually understand why she might want to support him for at least his first year. That's not to say he can't live independently but it might take some time.

Yes I know he went camping - but it's not really the same thing as trying to live independently and do work toward a college degree.

That all being said, I don't see that it was worth it or fair to the other family members - at all. The move - if it was just for Dayton - would be very, very selfish. 

[Kyanight]

59 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

Really?  What happened that I missed??

https://www.inquisitr.com/5387103/sister-wives-stars-could-face-legal-trouble-in-arizona-for-practicing-polygamy/

https://radaronline.com/photos/kody-brown-wives-prison-polygamy-laws-arizona-sister-wives/

http://resources.mazdigital.com/feeds/production/comboapp/4/channels/5765/5066459.html?fbclid=IwAR15ef8wkhqTl2VkVMrPMnsYWJehML4iif1FnDyP-iyry2vttNOJRirn7oY

Hopefully none of those are the same - I just copied and pasted the first few articles I came across.

[LoneWolf]

33 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I am not 100 percent sure the move was entirely for Dayton. TLC probably also pressured Kody to move somewhere somehow for a ratings boost. Their show was at risk for cancellation. However I do think Dayton and his college choice had something to do with their chosen location.

Regarding Asperger's, which is what I believe he was diagnosed with: Classically, people with Asperger's are extremely intelligent but they do struggle with judgement and decision making in every day life.  Many have a great struggle in living outside the routines of the home. So I actually understand why she might want to support him for at least his first year. That's not to say he can't live independently but it might take some time.

Yes I know he went camping - but it's not really the same thing as trying to live independently and do work toward a college degree.

That all being said, I don't see that it was worth it or fair to the other family members - at all. The move - if it was just for Dayton - would be very, very selfish. 

Thank you for your response. I was genuinely asking because I really didn't/don't think of someone with Aspergers as completely unable to function independently. I really look forward to seeing Dayton coming into his own because, as you mentioned, those on the spectrum are usually highly intelligent. He seems like a nice kid. 

[deirdra]

21 minutes ago, Kyanight said:

https://www.inquisitr.com/5387103/sister-wives-stars-could-face-legal-trouble-in-arizona-for-practicing-polygamy/

https://radaronline.com/photos/kody-brown-wives-prison-polygamy-laws-arizona-sister-wives/

http://resources.mazdigital.com/feeds/production/comboapp/4/channels/5765/5066459.html?fbclid=IwAR15ef8wkhqTl2VkVMrPMnsYWJehML4iif1FnDyP-iyry2vttNOJRirn7oY

Hopefully none of those are the same - I just copied and pasted the first few articles I came across.

Probably just Kody-driven paranoia to drum up ratings so the show gets picked up for another season.  Though it would be a good strategy by neighbours to prevent construction of a 4-winged Plyg Palace in Prairiedog Plague Pass.  He is only legally married to one-wife, Robyn. Meri is his ex-wife. Janelle & Christine are his friends or mistresses who file taxes etc. as "single women", much to Christine's chagrin. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by deirdra

[Galloway Cave]

Arizona and Utah signed a compact around 2000 that states they won't prosecute solely for polygamy. There needs to be additional abuses- domestic violence, child abuse and/or welfare fraud. Both states entered into the compact because of the Colorado City/Hilldale situation. The FLDS live their lives openly and there are plyg enclaves in Flagstaff, Mesa and eastern AZ. Kody and Ko. are in as much danger of being arrested for practicing polygamy was they were in Vegas. This is just a bunch of horseshit being flung out into the media to drum up continued interest in the show.

[Joan of Argh]

In one of the TH's Robyn was going on about how Kody wants the kids to come home for family gatherings, he loves his kids around him but he doesn't realize you need a place for the kids to make memories of how they did this, that and the other at that home.

Isn't that what Gabe and the older kids have been doing in Vegas?

The only "kids" that are going to be doing that now are Robyn's kids and maybe Truely to a small extent.

All the other kids spent their childhoods in Lehi and Vegas so I guess their fond home memories mean nothing and they need to forget about it and go to where Robyn's kids are growing up.

[suomi]

2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I am not 100 percent sure the move was entirely for Dayton. TLC probably also pressured Kody to move somewhere somehow for a ratings boost. Their show was at risk for cancellation. However I do think Dayton and his college choice had something to do with their chosen location.

Regarding Asperger's, which is what I believe he was diagnosed with: Classically, people with Asperger's are extremely intelligent but they do struggle with judgement and decision making in every day life.  Many have a great struggle in living outside the routines of the home. So I actually understand why she might want to support him for at least his first year. That's not to say he can't live independently but it might take some time.

Yes I know he went camping - but it's not really the same thing as trying to live independently and do work toward a college degree.

That all being said, I don't see that it was worth it or fair to the other family members - at all. The move - if it was just for Dayton - would be very, very selfish. 

I hear ya and I liked your post, but he went camping for at least two weeks, maybe it was three weeks - I can't exactly remember what Robyn posted about the duration. I do remember that it wasn't a weekend at one location, which is what a lot of people would call no biggie. She said he could go if he called home every night so she would know where he was - good idea - and he did comply with that. 

Robyn rubs the audience the wrong way and they suspect the worst from her because years of watching her have shown that she is a sneaky,  smiling conniver and Kody co-signs that behavior while downplaying it. After people have seen that for so long it's impossible hard to un-see it.

It's a perfect example of "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

[suomi]

3 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

In one of the TH's Robyn was going on about how Kody wants the kids to come home for family gatherings, he loves his kids around him but he doesn't realize you need a place for the kids to make memories of how they did this, that and the other at that home.

Isn't that what Gabe and the older kids have been doing in Vegas?

The only "kids" that are going to be doing that now are Robyn's kids and maybe Truely to a small extent.

All the other kids spent their childhoods in Lehi and Vegas so I guess their fond home memories mean nothing and they need to forget about it and go to where Robyn's kids are growing up.

No matter what age you are when it happens, I think many of us can affirm that visiting family in the home where you grew up is nothing like visiting where they moved to after you left the nest. 

I used to bust my tail arranging my schedule/my travel time to suit my parents. One time it didn't work out so everyone met at a restaurant instead of the house where they were living. On the way home I realized that the restaurant visit felt exactly the same as the not-home-anymore visits. Obviously, there is real trauma in life but feeling like that was a rude emotional awakening. You can't go home again when home doesn't exist.

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PS: Maybe because there was a lot of turmoil and we moved a lot when I was a kid, I stalk my old homes when I'm in SoCal and my brother did the same thing. I recently found out my nephew/his son does it but he tries to hide it because his wife shames him for it. I guess we're looking for something that got left behind. I see stories where people knock on the door and say we lived here 50 years ago and they get invited to come in and look around. I've even had OG photos with me to prove it but I didn't have the nerve to knock on the door. 

I did know better than to go to Florence and Normandie where we lived when I was born, but a few years ago one of LAPD's finest escorted me and my sister to the freeway on-ramp closest to our grandparents' old neighborhood near 107th St and Vermont. He goosed the siren and forced us to the curb and said "May I ask why you ladies think it's a good idea to be driving around in this area today?" "Welp, sir, we're on vacation and we want to take a picture of that house because our grandparents planted that palm tree in 1948. How tall is it, easily 50-60 feet, right?" He saw our Utah plates and my sister had the camera ready so I'm pretty sure he knew we weren't trying to score. "Not today, ladies, and not tomorrow either. Follow me to the freeway." 

A few days later, down south, a very polite Marine threw us off "My base" (Camp Pendleton in Oceanside) after heavy traffic squeezed me into the wrong lane and there was nowhere to turn around and I ended up at the his entry gate. Sheesh, that was not our best vacation, LOL

The spacing in the new site is janky. The text drops down to the next line when there is plenty of room left on the line for another word or even words.

Very                              frustrating, especially when over time                it                                    adds up. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by suomi

[GrannySmith]

A few years ago, I attended an open house at the house I grew up in 50 years ago. It hadn’t changed much, but seemed so much smaller. My daughter was with me, and I was able to share memories with her. Great experience!

[deirdra]

11 hours ago, suomi said:

No matter what age you are when it happens, I think many of us can affirm that visiting family in the home where you grew up is nothing like visiting where they moved to after you left the nest.  

My parents lived in the same house for 53 yrs, until I was 57, and my sister and I had to go through 63 years of stuff and choose to pack up and move, donate, shred or discard each item.  I saved all the realtor's photos from just before the sale when the house was empty and professionally cleaned - I re-experienced the feeling of walking in the front door for the first time as a 4-year old. I have also stalked the house on Google Street View for the past 8 years as the new owners chopped down all but one of the trees in the front and side yards and finally changed the siding and front façade and colour of the house.  I have no interest in walking through it, but if it ever is up for sale I might look at the photos of the inside but would not want to walk through it since it wouldn't be "our" home (and I live 2500 miles away). While cleaning out our old house 8 yrs ago, I did visit two neighbours' houses where I had friends or babysittees way back when, and I did NOT like what they had done to the places.  Another reason not to set food in our old house.

[Joan of Argh]

8 hours ago, GrannySmith said:

A few years ago, I attended an open house at the house I grew up in 50 years ago. It hadn’t changed much, but seemed so much smaller. My daughter was with me, and I was able to share memories with her. Great experience!

This is the exact same reaction I had when visiting my old family home.

As a child I thought it was huge... When I went back I couldn't believe how small it was.

I never went back again because the new folks were renovating and all the changes would have broke my heart because my father was a carpenter and built our home himself.

[Rabbit Hutch]

What happened to our dadgumed "K"?  That's our signature letter!!! 🙃

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, Joan of Argh said:

This is the exact same reaction I had when visiting my old family home.

As a child I thought it was huge... When I went back I couldn't believe how small it was.

I never went back again because the new folks were renovating and all the changes would have broke my heart because my father was a carpenter and built our home himself.

I get that.  My dad was a carpenter, not to earn money as he had another career, but as a creative outlet.  He built 3 homes by himself, and we lived in each one, when I was growing up.  I haven't been back to see them since the 90's.  I'm sure I would be very sad, seeing them up close again.  I have my memories, and pictures from back in the day, and that's how they still look to me, when I think about my childhood/teen years.

Since the Leavingk LV episode was one hour, and the Tell-Nothingk part 1, is going to be only one hour, does that mean Seeking SW had higher ratings, and therefore the Snowjob's weddingk, and tonight's tell-nothingks are 2 hours long, each?  Or is TLC just trying to confuse us?  Or, am I hopelessly confused, from watching this drivel?  Ack!  Plygs are trying to infiltrate my brain, and convert me!  I will resist.  

Edited April 14, 2019 by xwordfanatik
to make better sense, hopefully

[Jenilane6]

Bonus scene:  Robchyn has a “nice” dining room set.  It will have to stay in Las Vegas until later so nothing will scar it.  A special trip will be made.  Ever the favorite.

[Granny58]

just catching the tail end of last week's epi recap.  Christine "mutliple adults but we're one family, lol, code word for polygamy."  For the rest of us bumpkins, a family with multiple adults means brothers/uncles and sisters/aunts.  jeesh, drama queens. 

[Granny58]

15 hours ago, suomi said:

PS: Maybe because there was a lot of turmoil and we moved a lot when I was a kid, I stalk my old homes when I'm in SoCal and my brother did the same thing. I recently found out my nephew/his son does it but he tries to hide it because his wife shames him for it. I guess we're looking for something that got left behind. I see stories where people knock on the door and say we lived here 50 years ago and they get invited to come in and look around. I've even had OG photos with me to prove it but I didn't have the nerve to knock on the door. 

I do that too.  In fact, I went back to England with my mom and she did the same thing at the house where she was born in the 1930s.  We had a lovely tour.  

[Joan of Argh]

10 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

just catching the tail end of last week's epi recap.  Christine "mutliple adults but we're one family, lol, code word for polygamy."  For the rest of us bumpkins, a family with multiple adults means brothers/uncles and sisters/aunts.  jeesh, drama queens. 

Exactly, my siblings and my husband's siblings always helped each other move... It certainly wouldn't raise any red flags.

but Kootie in the driveway hollering "Okay all MY kids come gather around... Come Brown Children!" Or whatever the hell he said. 🙄

[lookeyloo]

I'm on zillow a lot looking at the houses for sale in the town I grew up in.  We lived in 2 houses.  The second one is about to be sold.  the first one I have a little attachment to.  It's interesting looking, because it is a small town and I think I've been in a lot of the houses growing up and some of them look similar - no updating since they were built in the 50s and some are gutted and modernized.  Always a bittersweet walk down memory lane.

[Dmarie019]

On 4/14/2019 at 3:41 AM, suomi said:

No matter what age you are when it happens, I think many of us can affirm that visiting family in the home where you grew up is nothing like visiting where they moved to after you left the nest. 

I used to bust my tail arranging my schedule/my travel time to suit my parents. One time it didn't work out so everyone met at a restaurant instead of the house where they were living. On the way home I realized that the restaurant visit felt exactly the same as the not-home-anymore visits. Obviously, there is real trauma in life but feeling like that was a rude emotional awakening. You can't go home again when home doesn't exist.

Yep - I said something similar I think in the last episode thread (under my old username because I can't get back into it.....ggggrrrrrr.).  My parents moved when I was just graduating college. I'm comfortable in their 'new' home (which was back in 2005ish) but it's 15-16 hours away vs 2 hours of my hometown so their new home was never home to me. I didn't have a lot of desire to go visit them (they come here quite a bit each year) and it doesn't help that their nearest airports are all 1.5 hours away.  But they are moving back to where I live in a few months.

[Rhondinella]

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NAU does not appear to have any kind of a particular special program for people with disabilities.  So first question is why is he even going there in the first place, rather than one of the schools in Las Vegas, which would require no uprooting whatsoever?

If Dayton does not require living with a full-time helper, then he could live in a dorm on campus (with or without special accommodations regarding roommate or absence of one) , and they could hire a trained professional to have daily in-person or on-the-phone check-ins with Dayton, and basically be on-call for Dayton for whatever needs arise.  And they could still pay for an apartment for Robyn.

I'm a former college professor. Any college or university that receives federal funds, which includes students receiving federal financial aid (so, basically all schools) are required as part of that arrangement to have some sort of disability services office and programs to assist students with special physical, mental or psychological needs. The school is required to make reasonable accommodations in classwork, housing, transportation, etc. if the student provides official proof of a diagnosis from a doctor or mental health professional.  So as long as Dayton has documentation, he should be able to get help.

I don't know if that help will extend to having a live-in helper (I've never heard of that). But I have seen students who have an assistant come with them to class to help them by taking notes for them or answering questions, or working with them one on one. And then he could get accommodations on his assignments (like giving him extra time on tests; giving him extensions on due dates, etc.)

[DakotaJustice]

On 4/8/2019 at 3:29 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Yup my brother and his family always buy a "side" of beef... Which is one half and its about 600

Mind you they buy humanely raised and fed good food etc. So that's probably a bit more expensive.

Did anyone else flash on the I Love Lucy episode about the freezer and the side of beef her and Ethel bought thinking it would be the same size as a side of bacon?

[Joan of Argh]

2 hours ago, DakotaJustice said:

Did anyone else flash on the I Love Lucy episode about the freezer and the side of beef her and Ethel bought thinking it would be the same size as a side of bacon?

Yup sure did, someone up thread mentioned it as well

Lucy with the beef in the baby buggy was hilarious!!! 😂

[Rabbittron]

Don't hate me but my ex in laws have a ranch. Each year my 2 kids and me (3 people mind you) get a whole cow. What the hell do I need or want of need with all that meat. The food bank won't accept it because it was not from a supermarket. 

[Elizzikra]

57 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Don't hate me but my ex in laws have a ranch. Each year my 2 kids and me (3 people mind you) get a whole cow. What the hell do I need or want of need with all that meat. The food bank won't accept it because it was not from a supermarket. 

Try animal rescues - some of them feed a raw food diet and would be happy to have it. I volunteer with a rescue that gets venison from deer hunters every year and they are really grateful for it.

How much meat is a whole cow, BTW? Like more than a freezer full?

[Rabbittron]

53 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Try animal rescues - some of them feed a raw food diet and would be happy to have it. I volunteer with a rescue that gets venison from deer hunters every year and they are really grateful for it.

How much meat is a whole cow, BTW? Like more than a freezer full?

Depends on the size of the cow. We end up with about 2 upright freezers worth of meat.

[VedaPierce]

On 4/10/2019 at 5:20 PM, Kyanight said:

Thank you!  He has an associates degree in science but he wants to major in Aerospace Engineering.  One of his brothers-in-law is an engineer with the FAA and they are close friends since he joined our family.  🙂

My kid doing same! Aerospace Engineering! So funny! Going to Embry-Riddle! (I’m very late to this post and just catching up now)

[DakotaJustice]

45 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

My kid doing same! Aerospace Engineering! So funny! Going to Embry-Riddle! (I’m very late to this post and just catching up now)

This must be a pattern - my nephew just graduated from UC with an Aerospace engineering major 😂😳

[Teafortwo]

On 7/3/2019 at 2:07 PM, DakotaJustice said:

This must be a pattern - my nephew just graduated from UC with an Aerospace engineering major 😂😳

What a coincidence, mine is majoring in the same at RIT