Season 15: Speculation and Spoilers

[truthaboutluv]

5 hours ago, Nowhere said:

Well if they see how popular Tyler is with the public at this point, they may have changed their minds.

But this was all filmed before the producers knew how popular Tyler would become with viewers. 

[XoxoGG]

I don't understand how tptb had no idea Tyler would become very popular. He is objectively the best looking guy there and seems to have this BDE about him. Did they not like him? I don't remember chris harrison even mentioning him as a front runner before the season started when he was talking about guys to watch out for but he made it to f2 regardless if he was really f2 or not(more like f3). So how was he not on their radar? I don't get it. 

[nutty1]

9 hours ago, adhoc said:

I have to say, this post tweeted to #thebachelorette was pretty good.

LOL. Twitter and this board are the best part of this season!

[truthaboutluv]

26 minutes ago, XoxoGG said:

I don't understand how tptb had no idea Tyler would become very popular. He is objectively the best looking guy there and seems to have this BDE about him. Did they not like him? I don't remember chris harrison even mentioning him as a front runner before the season started when he was talking about guys to watch out for but he made it to f2 regardless if he was really f2 or not(more like f3). So how was he not on their radar? I don't get it. 

Because Tyler was a late bloomer on Hannah's season. Yes, he is good looking but truthfully the Bachelorette often has many good looking guys, some of whom just flame out. The fact is Hannah and Tyler for the first week or so of filming, didn't really have much time together. 

They never spoke during the first night cocktail party, a rarity for a guy who becomes a major player on the Bachelorette season. Think about many of the recent Bachelorette seasons and the lead's relationships with the Top 4 maybe. It's rare that someone who makes it that far never even spoke to the Bachelorette that first night. Then they had no alone time again on his first group date, the one Cam interrupted. 

And then the season got bogged down with Luke drama and a million canceled cocktail parties. And when there wasn't Luke drama, Hannah was falling for Jed's shitty ass singing. Yes Tyler had two one on one's and so he did eventually become a key player in the season but the reality was compared to others, he wasn't as a big a factor.

And so yeah he was hot and the producers figured sure, some viewers would be all thirsty for him. But no, I don't think for a second they thought it would become what it has. Dude is at almost a million IG followers and there's a still a few weeks in the season to go. Most contestants followers don't grow that fast. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by truthaboutluv

[dirtypop90]

2 hours ago, XoxoGG said:

I don't understand how tptb had no idea Tyler would become very popular. He is objectively the best looking guy there and seems to have this BDE about him. Did they not like him? I don't remember chris harrison even mentioning him as a front runner before the season started when he was talking about guys to watch out for but he made it to f2 regardless if he was really f2 or not(more like f3). So how was he not on their radar? I don't get it. 

In the interview I read, Chris said he was too cool and laid back and that “he was good looking and knows it.”  I think they just didn’t think much of him.  Mills also said the audience would fall in love with Jed in an interview when discussing front runners and said nothing about Tyler. LOL they are clueless, clearly. 

[Dejana]

5 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

I want tyler and mike to be dual bachelors. what a blast that would be.

They have begun seasons with dual Bachelors/Bachelorettes before but always kicked one person off fairly early into the process. If they stuck with two leads the whole time, if would change the dynamics of the show in a way that could be really interesting. Still, it would be so different than what has normally been done in the past that I don't know if TPTB would be willing to take the risk. Maybe when the ratings really tank...

I've never thought that lead calls out the names in order of most to least favorite. On other competitive reality shows, sometimes they announce who will stay versus who goes based on what makes for the most drama, and the person called safe later on might actually be very high in the running. Hannah seems to like Luke and Jed the most, so it's more dramatic if she is "torn" between the two of them, even if she hoped to keep them both this week. Keeping an extra guy for Fantasy Suites week might actually cost TPTB money, or mess up their production schedule, so I don't think that keeping all four guys was entirely their idea. Hannah probably expressed some indecision to a producer and TPTB ultimately rolled with the opportunity.

[nutty1]

 I listened to an interview with someone who used to be a producer on the show. She said they knew the order of the roses ahead of time so they knew where to point the camera 

[dirtypop90]

4 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

And then the season got bogged down with Luke drama and a million canceled cocktail parties. And when there wasn't Luke drama, Hannah was falling for Jed's shitty ass singing. Yes Tyler had two one on one's and so he did eventually become a key player in the season but the reality was compared to others, he wasn't as a big a factor.

According to reality Steve, Tyler was always a front runner.  I’m not sure what always means.  But maybe Hannah had her eyes on him because of his looks, even if they didn’t speak the first night.  His sources told him Tyler and Luke were the front runners before fantasy dates were filmed.  Tyler’s family was one of the first to get a call for hometowns.  He was shocked Peter got a hometown, based on what he heard.  He thought that was going to Garett, an early favorite.  He was shocked Jed was top 2.  So I don’t think it’s true Tyler was not a  big factor. I just think the producers didn’t like his personality compared to the others and they planned on giving him the hot dumb edit. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by dirtypop90

[truthaboutluv]

I said Tyler wasn't as a big a factor as others, not that he wasn't a factor at all during the season. He got two one on one's and made it to F2. That doesn't happen if you're not a factor at all, unless it's a season where the lead picks their F1 from like the first night and so any old person would do to the end. 

And I read Reality Steve's spoilers so I'm well aware of everything noted, such as his surprise when Peter was confirmed as the final HTD. Here's the thing though, while RS is obviously a great spoiler source, he doesn't know everything, as evidenced by his screwing up the F1 yet again for another Bachelorette season. 

The point is, just because his sources were telling him Tyler and Luke were front runners before FSD's were filmed, doesn't mean that was the absolute truth. That could have been told to him by someone assuming that based on what they'd observed of Hannah and the two. But that person may not have been privy to her and Jed's times together and so they were completely unaware of how far ahead Jed was with Hannah versus others. 

[dirtypop90]

My point was that Tyler didn’t really come out of nowhere. Because people were whispering about him. So I don’t believe the producers feelings about them were because of him being less of a factor for Hannah than anyone.  They don’t care about any of that any way.  The producers have been obsessed with people the lead didn’t even like.  All they care about is your storyline potential.  And  I just think that didn’t care for Tyler from the producer perspective.  Peter they put as bachelor material. They clearly liked Jed as their dreamy musician, given all the times they let him seranade Hannah. They let Jed go to Hannah’s hotel room and have all those other moments with Hannah.  Mills called Luke “a star” so they were clearly entertained by him.  Tyler did nothing for them and they didn’t think he would do anything for viewers. 

[truthaboutluv]

On 7/9/2019 at 1:47 PM, dirtypop90 said:

My point was that Tyler didn’t really come out of nowhere.

I didn't say he did. I said he was a late bloomer on the season and there were others, like Luke who were a bigger presence and so that's why they may not have anticipated the intense level of viewer attention he would get. That is all. 

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So I don’t believe the producers feelings about them were because of him being less of a factor for Hannah than anyone.  They don’t care about any of that any way.

And I never suggested that they did. I think this whole comment has nothing to do with my original comment. I was simply responding to a poster's surprise at how the producers could not have anticipated how much love Tyler would get.

And my only point was that they likely figured since he was not going to be as major a focus as Luke, the season's villain and Jed, the F1, that sure people would like him and he'd be popular but not to this extent. That's all. And that's just an assumption on my part. 

Edited July 10, 2019 by truthaboutluv

[dirtypop90]

23 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

And my only point was that they likely figured since he was not going to be as major a focus as Luke, the season's villain and Jed, the F1, that sure people would like him and he'd be popular but not to this extent. That's all. And that's just an assumption on my part. 

Your original comment said it was because he was a late bloomer, which is where I disagreed. The producers place value on the contestants as soon as they walk through the door based on s/l potential.  So my point was that the producers not thinking he would be popular had nothing to do with how his relationship with Hannah progressed but was based on their assessment of him.  Jed was a producer pet well before he was looking like f1.  They let him serenade her on the first night and keep his guitar throughout when in the past they haven't allowed it.  Tyler wouldn't have been liked even if he was F1.  He's being treated just like Brian on Rachel's season, who they didn't care for as F1 or didn't see any Bachelor potential in.   I also think they had their eye on peter as future bachelor from the beginning.  It's why he got the steamy dates.  All JMO  

Edited July 9, 2019 by dirtypop90

[Jillibean]

I really hope that Tyler’s mega following shows future contestants that being a nice, funny, good person will get you further than hamming it up and gimmicking around. His popularity, in some way or another, has to be a game changer.

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, Jillibean said:

I really hope that Tyler’s mega following shows future contestants that being a nice, funny, good person will get you further than hamming it up and gimmicking around. His popularity, in some way or another, has to be a game changer.

To be fair, I think the being really hot part kind of helps. Let's face it, many are shallow like that. Especially when we're talking about social media. Not that the other qualities aren't true about him too.

Edited July 9, 2019 by truthaboutluv

[b2H]

1 hour ago, Jillibean said:

I really hope that Tyler’s mega following shows future contestants that being a nice, funny, good person will get you further than hamming it up and gimmicking around. His popularity, in some way or another, has to be a game changer.

I think overall that idea lets some poor choices flame out early - I'm reminded of that idiot 'Whaboom!!!!!' who thought he was clearly going to win on a catch phrase that wasn't.  I've never seen a gimmicker or a hambone actually end up the final one.  I don't know why they still try it, unless they're being set up by the producers.

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Jillibean said:

I really hope that Tyler’s mega following shows future contestants that being a nice, funny, good person will get you further than hamming it up and gimmicking around. His popularity, in some way or another, has to be a game changer.

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

To be fair, I think the being really hot part kind of helps. Let's face it, many are shallow like that. Especially when we're talking about social media. Not that the other qualities aren't true about him too.

I agree with both of you. It’s sad some people feel like you have to be the bad boy, cutthroat, villain, or whatever to be a winner. I like that you can get far on the show and/or get some fame out of it being a good person. (I won’t get too OT, but it’s sad when this way of thinking has gotten worse than ever in the political arena.) I’m all for people doing well in any kind of show/contest/election/field handling themselves with authenticity and kindness. But yes Tyler’s movie star looks don’t exactly hurt.

I always think pretty is as pretty does. Same idea applies to the guys. Tyler happens to have both good looks and a good heart to go with it. There are some physically attractive people who have such ugly personalities that you don’t want to probe any further. I’ve been told the guys who end up as Bachelor are typically not the ones who behave all crazy on Bachelorette, so at least those of us who appreciate nice guys hopefully won’t end up with the bad boy being the lead of The Bachelor.  

[leighdear]

To be fair, we're seeing the Tyler the show wants us to see.  Just like we saw the Luke they felt would be most polarizing and attention-getting.   

Jed is simply performing, hoping for the Knoxville-to-Nashville opportunity.  Hard pass, buddy.  Nobody can make you happen, you're just not fetch enough.  

I think Tyler is attractive, but to me, he behaves as if hes been slugging NyQuil every hour.  There's laid-back, there's comatose, and in-between, there's Tyler.  

Peter is very much a Ken Doll, but I'd prefer him over the others.  I don't pay much attention to The Bachelor, because most of the girl drama makes me stabby, but I think Peter would do fine.

[thesupremediva1]

On 7/3/2019 at 6:51 PM, ApprenticeFan said:

After a huge RS spoiler drama, Tyler is about to reunite with Hannah and will get engaged probably in After the Final Rose.

Can you link me to where you got this info? I haven't seen Tyler leave NYC yet so I'll watching his IG this weekend...

[Mabinogia]

9 hours ago, XoxoGG said:

I don't understand how tptb had no idea Tyler would become very popular. He is objectively the best looking guy there and seems to have this BDE about him.

These are the same people who think we wanted to see the Luke show and constantly throw their lead under the bus. I don't think they have a great grasp on what their audience really wants. 

[dizzyd]

On 7/4/2019 at 6:25 PM, waving feather said:

I used to really like Hannah and I still do to a certain extent but she seems hard work to be together

Quite frankly, I was very surprised she was made the B’ette. She couldn’t even string words together during Colton’s season. I still remember when she struggled to come up with a toast on their 1/1 and all her THs this season seem to be read off a TelePrompter. Yup, I’m ready for this to be over and don’t care who she ends up with if anyone at all. Bring on a Tyler season!

[dirtypop90]

To be fair to the producers, Tyler isn't "entertaining" in the traditional sense.  People keep saying he's like Matthew Mcconaughey and I agree.  He super, chill, laid-back, and charming, and doesn't have to do much to get people to want to watch him.  The producers missed that.  Are they all guys?  Maybe they need more female producers.  LOL

That's why it baffles me why people don't think he would have a good season.   The women would drive the drama.   He wouldn't need to do anything but look cute.  But Chris soules was one of my favorite seasons so...lol  Unlike Chris, Tyler could steam up the place with the women he's actually interested in.  People think he's hot with Hannah.  Imagine him with a woman who actually reciprocates! 

Edited July 9, 2019 by dirtypop90

[CindyBee]

1 hour ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Can you link me to where you got this info? I haven't seen Tyler leave NYC yet so I'll watching his IG this weekend...

There is no Tyler/Hannah reunion in the works, as far as Reality Steve knows.  He said in his blog today that they have not been in contact and probably wouldn't be till ATFR.  

[dirtypop90]

IMO RS has no way of knowing if they've been in contact.  They have phones.  I think they have or Hannah is just being desperate with her social media posts.  I can believe they haven't met in person if that's what he's saying.  

Edited July 9, 2019 by dirtypop90

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Can you link me to where you got this info? I haven't seen Tyler leave NYC yet so I'll watching his IG this weekend...

I may be wrong but I think the poster was being facetious with that comment and not an actual spoiler or rumor they'd read. 

[leighdear]

2 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

These are the same people who think we wanted to see the Luke show and constantly throw their lead under the bus. I don't think they have a great grasp on what their audience really wants. 

But it doesn't matter what the audience wants, it just matters what the audience will watch.  

They know everything they need to know to milk their cash cow EVERY SEASON.  They practically have a license to print money with this franchise, so they don't care who the viewers like or dislike.  It doesn't matter.  

[EllenB]

I remember when people clamored for Jake to be the Bachelor, and how that turned out.  Maybe it's better that we keep our current opinions of Tyler as a personable hottie, and not be disillusioned.

Edited July 10, 2019 by EllenB

[truthaboutluv]

29 minutes ago, EllenB said:

I remember when people clamored for Jake to be the Bachelor, and how that turned out.  Maybe it's better that we keep our current opinions of Tyler as a personable hottie, and not be disillusioned.

Well I can comfortably say I never liked Jake. The second that fool asked the other guys on Jillian's season if they thought he was too perfect and that could hurt his chances, he was on my douchebag list. Because who the hell talks about themselves like that with zero irony. 

[Nowhere]

42 minutes ago, leighdear said:

But it doesn't matter what the audience wants, it just matters what the audience will watch.  

They know everything they need to know to milk their cash cow EVERY SEASON.  They practically have a license to print money with this franchise, so they don't care who the viewers like or dislike.  It doesn't matter.  

Peter would be boring, I think. Since they chose Hannah and she’s a nut job, why not choose Luke so we can see how many chicks pretend to luv jeebus? Let’s watch Luke try to not have sex with all three in the fantasy suites. With Luke as their Bachelor talking about Jesus all the time, they can advertise it as the “most annoying season in Bachelor history”. This is the only way to top Hannah’s season. 😂😂😂

[dirtypop90]

I’m no longer feeling the Peter love. He just comes off as horny teenage boy to me. It could be his edit. But I’m not feeling him any more and I don’t think I would enjoy him as the bachelor.

lauren zima interviewed Ben H about this episode. And she raised a good point: Would we have reacted differently if Tyler showed up in a flash car and Hannah found a condom in it or if she found a condom in his boat?  Would it have been portrayed as a cute moment or SEE HE’S A PLAYER.  And Ben honestly said the reaction would’ve been different from Tyler. Peter just has a boyish face and zero sex appeal IMO so people trust him more.  But I can totally see him whoring around bachelor nation. 

[nutty1]

20 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

I’m no longer feeling the Peter love. He just comes off as horny teenage boy to me. It could be his edit. But I’m not feeling him any more and I don’t think I would enjoy him as the bachelor.

lauren zima interviewed Ben H about this episode. And she raised a good point: Would we have reacted differently if Tyler showed up in a flash car and Hannah found a condom in it or if she found a condom in his boat?  Would it have been portrayed as a cute moment or SEE HE’S A PLAYER.  And Ben honestly said the reaction would’ve been different from Tyler. Peter just has a boyish face and zero sex appeal IMO so people trust him more.  But I can totally see him whoring around bachelor nation. 

I still like Peter but I agree with you. I think he is as big a player as all the others. Not that players can't find their one and only and settle down, but I am sure Peter is loving his new found "fame".

[XoxoGG]

42 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

I’m no longer feeling the Peter love. He just comes off as horny teenage boy to me. It could be his edit. But I’m not feeling him any more and I don’t think I would enjoy him as the bachelor.

lauren zima interviewed Ben H about this episode. And she raised a good point: Would we have reacted differently if Tyler showed up in a flash car and Hannah found a condom in it or if she found a condom in his boat?  Would it have been portrayed as a cute moment or SEE HE’S A PLAYER.  And Ben honestly said the reaction would’ve been different from Tyler. Peter just has a boyish face and zero sex appeal IMO so people trust him more.  But I can totally see him whoring around bachelor nation. 

Oh the reaction would've been 100% different had that been Tyler. I like Peter but between him and Tyler I see him most likely to be the player out of the two. It's always the innocent looking ones you don't expect. 

I think it's also weird how Hannah keeps talking about how she doesn't think Tyler is ready for a relationship. My memory is bad but I don't remember her saying this about any of the 3 guys left. I think behind the scenes her assigned producer is feeding her a narrative. Based on what we know Jed would be the one most likely not ready for a serious relationship out of the 4. Ask Haley and the girl he was cheating on Haley with. Oh and who knows the countless other girls he has done wrong.

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, dirtypop90 said:

I’m no longer feeling the Peter love. He just comes off as horny teenage boy to me. It could be his edit. But I’m not feeling him any more and I don’t think I would enjoy him as the bachelor.

lauren zima interviewed Ben H about this episode. And she raised a good point: Would we have reacted differently if Tyler showed up in a flash car and Hannah found a condom in it or if she found a condom in his boat?  Would it have been portrayed as a cute moment or SEE HE’S A PLAYER.  And Ben honestly said the reaction would’ve been different from Tyler. Peter just has a boyish face and zero sex appeal IMO so people trust him more.  But I can totally see him whoring around bachelor nation. 

This is so true about Tyler. People always assume the worst of the sexy guys, and gals for that matter. 

[dirtypop90]

1 hour ago, XoxoGG said:

Oh the reaction would've been 100% different had that been Tyler. I like Peter but between him and Tyler I see him most likely to be the player out of the two. It's always the innocent looking ones you don't expect. 

I think it's also weird how Hannah keeps talking about how she doesn't think Tyler is ready for a relationship. My memory is bad but I don't remember her saying this about any of the 3 guys left. I think behind the scenes her assigned producer is feeding her a narrative. Based on what we know Jed would be the one most likely not ready for a serious relationship out of the 4. Ask Haley and the girl he was cheating on Haley with. Oh and who knows the countless other girls he has done wrong.

Absolutely. Earlier in the thread I said the producers never cared for Tyler. He’s getting the hot dumb edit. I have nooooo doubt they were feeding her things about Tyler i.e. he’s not ready or serious.  Same with their minions in BN.  Ashley I said on her podcast she talked to Hannah after the cast photos were released and told her Tyler looked like a f*ck boy as if she’s a good choice of character. Tyler’s storyline was set from the beginning. 

The idea that Jed the 25 year old aspiring singer is any more ready for marriage is laughable. 

Edited July 10, 2019 by dirtypop90

[Nowhere]

Can somebody share the full story about what happens with Jed? I know about the girlfriend but what happens after he gets the final rose? 

[truthaboutluv]

7 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Can somebody share the full story about what happens with Jed? I know about the girlfriend but what happens after he gets the final rose? 

Well per RS, nothing really happened until a few weeks ago when the People Magazine story broke. By all accounts it seemed they got engaged and were going to be like any other couple from the franchise, seeing each other on planned safe house visits, until the After The Final Rose.

Then the ex-girlfriend story broke and per RS, Hannah ended the engagement but they were still working on things and then I think last week he confirmed that they're done completely. He's also gotten a heads up that the AFTR will be two nights, which makes most suspect that the producers probably filmed the break up, a la Arie and Becca and will air during the show. 

RS did say last week that per his sources, apparently Jed told Hannah about Hayley after they got engaged and filming wrapped (so he of course conveniently waits when he's already "won" to tell her) but not the full story. I will say that I question if those two would have lasted to ATFR even without the People article, just because something seemed up with Hannah in her first media interviews. 

Keep in mind that many were speculating that she didn't end up with anyone because she didn't exactly look happy and in love and beaming. And while most suspected the Tyler being F1 spoiler was off because they never seemed to be in the same place, Hannah and Jed didn't seem to have the typical safe house visits either.

There was really only the one time when Jed was photographed at an airport and it appeared he might have been in L.A. But that would have been, based on Hannah's going to Wango Tango, doing press, like a two day visit and almost all leads have said safe house visits typically last 3-4 days. And it's complete lock down for the couple. It has also occurred to me that we've seen no hint, suggestion, indication of a FRC in any of the promos. Has anyone noticed that?

There was the shot of Hannah standing up on a castle with a rose that suggests it could be the FRC but that may be misleading. There was a shot of Colton with a ring box and Colton never even made it close to a FRC. We've seen no shot of guy's hands with a ring box and just anything suggesting a FRC happened. 

I don't know, this season has just been so weird right from the start. So to be honest, I would not be surprised if RS is way off this season and he's being fed a lot of b.s. and the truth is that Hannah didn't pick anyone. 

[nutty1]

25 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Can somebody share the full story about what happens with Jed? I know about the girlfriend but what happens after he gets the final rose? 

Hannah picked him, they got engaged. Then all the dirt came out about his girlfriend back home. Then Reality Steve reported Hannah broke off the engagement but they were still together. Then a few days later he reported Hannah totally broke up with him. 

[dirtypop90]

I think some weird stuff went down at the FRC and directly after.  Hannah is indecisive so maybe she changed her mind a couple times or didn't make a decision.  Maybe Tyler tells her he will not propose and he's the one that comes back at the last minute with a ring but it is too late?  I can see a lot of possibilities.  I'm curious to know why RS thought it was originally Tyler.  Tyler's could've been the last limo to arrive, which would normally indicate he is the winner, but she had already chosen Jed.

If Jed told Hannah some version of the truth re Haley right after proposing, while they were still in Greece, maybe Hannah broke off the engagement then.  And RS first heard Jed definitely wasn't engaged like the other spoiler sites when he returned to the U.S.  So he ran with Tyler.  Maybe Hannah just waited until she learned more re Haley and got back to he states to cut things off completely, which could be why they never had a traditional couples weekend.  People from the other spoiler sites/reddit (Idk I can't keep up) said Hannah's brother followed Haley shortly after the final rose ceremony.  Apparently Hannah's family has been liking favorable posts about Tyler and Tyler and Hannah since the final rose ceremony too.  So I think things started rocky in Greece.

[leighdear]

6 hours ago, nutty1 said:

I still like Peter but I agree with you. I think he is as big a player as all the others. Not that players can't find their one and only and settle down, but I am sure Peter is loving his new found "fame".

One name:

Arie

[XoxoGG]

Hannah liked that pic of Nick & Tyler so fast after not liking anything all day. The girl is for sure on her Tyler "let me take advantage of you being the IT boy" tour. I wouldn't be surprised if they are talking through text or DM. She seems to interact with Tyler stuff the most now a days.

[dirtypop90]

What a weird season:  https://imgur.com/ea5IsC2

If tyler's not in the windmill, then it's a fakeout or happened in Hannah's past.  But how would tyler know that unless Hannah told him? 

Also I guess they are not directly contacting because they both directed their messages to Nick. lol

Hannah might've known the lunch was going to happen which is why she liked the pic so fast.

Edited July 11, 2019 by dirtypop90

[CouchPotato]

I skimmed through Reality Steve's reader e-mail responses today. He said he didn't know one way or the other, but he kept leaving open the possibility that Tyler/Hannah would reunite at the finale, which makes me think it's a distinct possibility. Hannah's charm must be lost on me because I'm verklempt that this might happen.

[dirtypop90]

Unless RS screwed up the second time -and Tyler is F1.  Idk Something fishy is definitely going on though.  Hannah and Tyler’s behavior is not normal lead and F2 behavior.  Where there’s smoke there’s fire. RS may need to go back to his sources lol.  Will be an interesting finale. 

According to reddit, Ben H and Ashley I said on their podcast that TPTB are giving away the Luke stuff because the ending for the season is wild.  I can’t  bear to listen to their podcast and confirm though. 

[twoods]

On 7/9/2019 at 3:48 AM, nlkm9 said:

I want tyler and mike to be dual bachelors. what a blast that would be.

I would watch the shit out of this. Why haven’t they had a duel bachelor/ette season yet? It would be ratings gold and even more ridiculous than usual, especially if the two men fall for the same women.

[XoxoGG]

Yea I want Tyler for Bachelor so I hope all this social media stuff is just jokes but Bachelor nation people have this weird thing going on that if something is up on social media then something is up in real life. If this were the normal life I wouldn't think anything about it.

Tyler, take the Bach gig if offered and run lol. 

[nutty1]

6 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

Unless RS screwed up the second time -and Tyler is F1.

What a riot that would be if RS was wrong the second time, and Tyler was F1 all along! 🤣

I still think Tyler is too good for Hannah though.

[nlkm9]

19 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Well per RS, nothing really happened until a few weeks ago when the People Magazine story broke. By all accounts it seemed they got engaged and were going to be like any other couple from the franchise, seeing each other on planned safe house visits, until the After The Final Rose.

Then the ex-girlfriend story broke and per RS, Hannah ended the engagement but they were still working on things and then I think last week he confirmed that they're done completely. He's also gotten a heads up that the AFTR will be two nights, which makes most suspect that the producers probably filmed the break up, a la Arie and Becca and will air during the show. 

RS did say last week that per his sources, apparently Jed told Hannah about Hayley after they got engaged and filming wrapped (so he of course conveniently waits when he's already "won" to tell her) but not the full story. I will say that I question if those two would have lasted to ATFR even without the People article, just because something seemed up with Hannah in her first media interviews. 

Keep in mind that many were speculating that she didn't end up with anyone because she didn't exactly look happy and in love and beaming. And while most suspected the Tyler being F1 spoiler was off because they never seemed to be in the same place, Hannah and Jed didn't seem to have the typical safe house visits either.

There was really only the one time when Jed was photographed at an airport and it appeared he might have been in L.A. But that would have been, based on Hannah's going to Wango Tango, doing press, like a two day visit and almost all leads have said safe house visits typically last 3-4 days. And it's complete lock down for the couple. It has also occurred to me that we've seen no hint, suggestion, indication of a FRC in any of the promos. Has anyone noticed that?

There was the shot of Hannah standing up on a castle with a rose that suggests it could be the FRC but that may be misleading. There was a shot of Colton with a ring box and Colton never even made it close to a FRC. We've seen no shot of guy's hands with a ring box and just anything suggesting a FRC happened. 

I don't know, this season has just been so weird right from the start. So to be honest, I would not be surprised if RS is way off this season and he's being fed a lot of b.s. and the truth is that Hannah didn't pick anyone. 

I gotta tell you, I just want to have sex with Tyler in a windmill!! hahah

[bosawks]

I'm nostalgic for the simpler time when our biggest problems were letting Cam be Cam.......

[LBS]

10 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

According to reddit, Ben H and Ashley I said on their podcast that TPTB are giving away the Luke stuff because the ending for the season is wild.  I can’t  bear to listen to their podcast and confirm though. 

Normally I would say take one for the team and listen but those two are so insufferable that I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.   

I'm genuinely excited for the finale because I think it'll be bonkers.  Even though I like  Reality Steve (and his podcasts actually are pretty decent) I hope he got it all wrong. 

[dirtypop90]

1 hour ago, LBS said:

Normally I would say take one for the team and listen but those two are so insufferable that I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.   

I'm genuinely excited for the finale because I think it'll be bonkers.  Even though I like  Reality Steve (and his podcasts actually are pretty decent) I hope he got it all wrong. 

Well he didn't get it all wrong.  He's been pretty spot on up until now save minor details.  It seems his sources went haywire for whatever reason around the time of the FRC and after.   I don't think he has any clue as to what is going on now.  When he switched to Jed, he even said, the "proof" he received re Jed was stronger than what he received re Tyler.  I thought his wording was interesting.  He still didn't seem overly confident.  And he switched to Jed after folks had already figured out his initial spoiler was likely wrong because Tyler and Hannah seemingly had not seen each other since filming.  

I think the edit is clearly showing Jed as F1.  He is the one she is most in to.  

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Has anyone been reading the dirt re Peter on RS and reddit?  Think it might hurt his chances at bachelor?  Yes, I'm still holding on to hope for tyler.  Who would've thought he'd be the "cleanest" of the top guys, certainly not TPTB or Hannah LOL.

It seems the first FS date she had was with Peter.  In the preview she says "it's fantasy suites week" in a dress she wears during Peter's fantasy date.  They are also airing it first.  They also aired his hometown date first. Almost like they're trying to get him out of the way.  I think RS's sources were right that he wasn't really in the running.  He's just getting a good, bachelor edit.  During FS, Hannah will be a good bachelorette and help him out.  They will do some making out; she'll force him to open up to get the bachelor edit going; he will tell Hannah he's in love with her.  It will all be very boring, but the perfect set up for his heartbreak.  We'll forget about him after watching Tyler's, Jed's, and Luke's dates until he has a crushing goodbye.  UGH I'm so annoyed.  He's so going to be the bachelor.

Edited July 11, 2019 by dirtypop90

[phlebas]

Did Reality Steve identify the one who leaves and comes back with a ring?

Conventional wisdom says it's Luke because he's:

a) booted early
b) a moron

But that makes no sense. ABC wouldn't give away the game with him in a preview three+ weeks out. I think Luke goes and stays gone, Hannah hears about one (and only one) of Jed's backup women, freaks, tosses him, and he worms his way back in with a ring because Hannah is a child who falls for that crap.

Hmmmm.... it's possible this season has made me cynical...