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30 minutes ago, kirklandia said:

Not sure what the point is of making this a "regional" competition.

I think they are trying to find new ways to balkanize the contestants into artificial groupings; they have gone through men vs women, young vs old, and I expect to see some time soon tall vs short and left handed vs right handed.

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9 hours ago, preeya said:

With her attitude, it was obvious that she'd be the first one out. She probably shouldn't have been given an apron.

Yes, as Mr. Obnoxious Risotto is the first one to be rewarded by the twist.

It also saved The Giggler who I had wanted to go home first.

With The Giggler exempt, it did make me want Amanda to go home instead. Wasn't she the same one Gordon said "don't tell me a bedtime story" to at the auditions?

Cooking for 6 kids isn't much of a resume, and her fake eyelashes were so heavy, she could barely keep her eyelids up.

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5 hours ago, Daff said:

The other one is the BBQ champion. Of course, he’s going to nail the protein every time, but those contests are all meat and only meat (not even a sandwich).  He better up his game on sides and plating (perfect smoke ring gets you no points here, bud). What will he do when he has to bake a cake or, (gasp) present a perfect box of macrons?

I said almost the exact same thing to my wife when they were doing the elimination rounds. GMTA!

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52 minutes ago, DoctorK said:

I think they are trying to find new ways to balkanize the contestants into artificial groupings; they have gone through men vs women, young vs old, and I expect to see some time soon tall vs short and left handed vs right handed.

I think first the producers decided who would be on the show, then they said "we need a gimmick" and decided if they drew lines on the map in certain places, they could claim 5 contestants came from each of the 4 regions they had created. 

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I guessed right on Wisconsin's best state fair food. It's been quite awhile since I was there, but I still remember waiting in line to get those cream puffs. We waited until just before the fair closed for the night and the line was still hugely long. And yes, it was worth the wait.

I also remember the life sized cow made of butter.

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How on Earth did Richie not go home? One of the judges said he didn’t even present a dish, it was garnish.  I can’t believe he spent an hour on what he did present.

Personally, I am 52 years old and have never gone to a county or state fair.  The show made it seem like everyone goes to them.

 

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9 minutes ago, KeithJ said:

Personally, I am 52 years old and have never gone to a county or state fair.  The show made it seem like everyone goes to them.

My recollection is that many of them chose to make dishes for different kinds of local festivals.  Can't blame 'em.  
(I usually do my due diligence and fact-check, but I can't bear to rewatch!) 

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29 minutes ago, chicagofan said:

 

I guessed right on Wisconsin's best state fair food.

 

I was pleased that they got Washington's right!  A state fair staple since 1915.
When fairs were canceled during the pandemic, Fisher came up with a food truck to bring their scones to the people.
The fairs are back, and the Scone Wagon is still making the rounds.

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1 hour ago, eel2178 said:

With The Giggler exempt, it did make me want Amanda to go home instead. Wasn't she the same one Gordon said "don't tell me a bedtime story" to at the auditions?

Cooking for 6 kids isn't much of a resume, and her fake eyelashes were so heavy, she could barely keep her eyelids up.

No. That was the blonde from the South, who has six kids, and who Gordon said "don't tell me a bedtime story." He had said no to her, but the other 3 said yes.

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21 hours ago, mlp said:

I was happy to see Amanda leave.  I didn't like her attitude - or her eyelashes.  And she was wearing heels in the kitchen.

I knew she was a goner the nanosecond she opened her mouth and cut Gordon off at judging.

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9 hours ago, preeya said:

I said almost the exact same thing to my wife when they were doing the elimination rounds. GMTA!

At that point, I half thought he understood the differences. He did prepare some sort of purée that the judges thought enhanced his protein. I should have gotten a clue from the fact that there was nothing green on the plate. I just hope he starts using some well-prepared veg and doesn’t just try to rely upon sauces, slurries, or the like.

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Amanda seemed...fun. What a freaking drag. I went to a State Fair once with somebody who had kittens every time she looked at a food stand. "Oh! How many CALORIES are in one of those....Oh my goodness, I could NEVER eat THAT...oh, WHO would even THINK about eating THAT?" I managed not to clock her, but  I had to return with someone else so I could actually enjoy myself. Once a year, yes, I can and do eat a fried Snickers bar AND a turkey leg AND a corndog AND roasted corn AND....bite me. I'm so glad they dumped the mom whose family led a perfectly healthy lifestyle and sip water with kale all day. Be gone, killjoy. 

And, um, you seriously were going to make fresh tortillas for the first time for Aaron? And you're going to "elevate" it with red AND green sauces? So like, Taco Bell? Again, for Aaron? The stupid. The smugness. It hurts. It needed to leave. 

Can we ban contestants from "elevating" dishes just by using lobster? At least he didn't say something idiotic like "I'm going to bring Midwest flavors to this elevated fried lobster....here's your side of thimbleberry barbeque sauce and a smoked whitefish puree...." 

I will say....these people are miles ahead of the F-listers they have on Ramsay's Food Stars. We watch that one first - these folks look like Michelin chefs compared with the clown car on Food Stars. So, there's that.

 

 

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On 6/21/2023 at 7:58 AM, lambertman said:

FOX is insane. Why in blazes would we have the first episode of the actual competition tonight, then follow it up with two weeks of reruns of the auditions we all just suffered through  (assuming thefutoncritic's info is right, which it usually is)?!

Yes, it is a repeat of the 1st regional audition.

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Next new episodes - July 12?

This show is already holding my interest by the thinnest of threads.  Three weeks between episodes, bad move.  Maybe we can blame the writers' strike?

Oops, guess not - "reality" shows are "unscripted ".

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On 6/22/2023 at 5:25 PM, kirklandia said:

Nothing says Midwest cuisine like lobster.  And at a state fair, no less?
Not sure what the point is of making this a "regional" competition.

 

On 6/22/2023 at 5:59 PM, DoctorK said:

I think they are trying to find new ways to balkanize the contestants into artificial groupings; they have gone through men vs women, young vs old, and I expect to see some time soon tall vs short and left handed vs right handed.

 

On 6/22/2023 at 6:54 PM, eel2178 said:

I think first the producers decided who would be on the show, then they said "we need a gimmick" and decided if they drew lines on the map in certain places, they could claim 5 contestants came from each of the 4 regions they had created. 

Now you are all thinking just like me!  The best example of the arbitrary line drawing was including Maryland in the "Northeast" or whatever ridiculous state it was.  I forget now.  3 weeks between episodes?  WTF?  TV is getting more ridiculous every day.

What ticks me off is if I from NY and CT made a taco and said it was because there were so many Mexican immigrants in my area people would call it a bunch of BS.  And yet everyone seems to think they own the food of New England and act as if the region has no cuisine of its own.  Meanwhile it does, everyone has just taken parts of it to call their own without giving credit to where it came from originally.

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4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

 

 

Now you are all thinking just like me!  The best example of the arbitrary line drawing was including Maryland in the "Northeast" or whatever ridiculous state it was.  I forget now.  3 weeks between episodes?  WTF?  TV is getting more ridiculous every day.

What ticks me off is if I from NY and CT made a taco and said it was because there were so many Mexican immigrants in my area people would call it a bunch of BS.  And yet everyone seems to think they own the food of New England and act as if the region has no cuisine of its own.  Meanwhile it does, everyone has just taken parts of it to call their own without giving credit to where it came from originally.

When I think of regional foods from the Northeast, I would think Philly cheesesteaks, Maine Lobster, Maryland crabcakes, Boston chowdah. Before the Internet and people being more mobile, moving and traveling around the country bringing their cuisines we had more regional divides with each having different specialties only found there. Something that made them unique. 

I see that kind of stuff usually around fast food or other restaurant chains. People move to different states and wish they had the chains or brands from their "home state" and companies oblige by expanding to those areas. Everything is becoming more homogonized.

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On 6/22/2023 at 5:59 PM, DoctorK said:

I think they are trying to find new ways to balkanize the contestants into artificial groupings; they have gone through men vs women, young vs old, and I expect to see some time soon tall vs short and left handed vs right handed.

And it feeds in to FOX's overall mission to divide the country.

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6 hours ago, Lurk said:

When I think of regional foods from the Northeast, I would think Philly cheesesteaks, Maine Lobster, Maryland crabcakes, Boston chowdah. Before the Internet and people being more mobile, moving and traveling around the country bringing their cuisines we had more regional divides with each having different specialties only found there. Something that made them unique. 

I see that kind of stuff usually around fast food or other restaurant chains. People move to different states and wish they had the chains or brands from their "home state" and companies oblige by expanding to those areas. Everything is becoming more homogonized.

This is not a full list but it does include a lot of food said to have originated in New England:

Boston baked beans, Boston scrod, baked stuffed shrimp, "Indian" pudding, New England style Johnnycakes, Yankee pot roast, canned Boston brown bread, New England boiled dinner, boiled lobster, lobster bakes, lobster roll sandwich, Boston cream pie, cider doughnuts, New England clam chowder, Rhode Island clam chowder (clear broth), New Haven style clam pizza, steamer clams, maple candy, maple fudge, maple walnut ice cream, Parker House rolls, pumpkin pie, red flannel hash, Tollhouse cookies, succotash, top split hot dog rolls, whoopie pies, Harvard beets, clams casino, cheddar cheese apple pie, Russian dressing, New England style corn chowder, many styles of fish and seafood chowder, maple cream pie, the fluffernutter, popovers, blueberry pie.

I know a lot of people might look at this list and say "Oh this was done in other parts of the country", but note that New England arguably did most of these things first and in their own unique way.

And note that this list is only for New England.  Other parts of the Northeast have their own dishes, like New York state, which is the home of Buffalo chicken wings, chicken riggies, chef's salad, the Reuben sandwich, Waldorf salad, eggs Benedict, English Muffins, Bloody Marys, the Tom Collins, Baked Alaska, potato chips, Thousand Island dressing, Delmonico steak, lobster newburg, pasta primavera, spaghetti and meatballs (which was not originally from Italy), Manhattan style clam chowder (red broth based), Red Velvet cake (which was invented at the Waldorf Astoria hotel, NOT the South), chicken and waffles, (which many argue was invented in Harlem in Manhattan), and even hot dogs themselves!

And these lists are only for two areas of the Northeast.  If you include Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc. the list gets even longer.

For sure as people moved West they took these dishes with them and they lost their identification with the region they came from in some cases being rivaled by other areas as originating them.

Sorry for the long list, but I'm just tired that credit is not given where credit is due.

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23 hours ago, SG429 said:

And it feeds in to FOX's overall mission to divide the country.

Actually I tend to see it as the show attempting to pander to identity over talent. 

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On 6/29/2023 at 7:14 AM, SG429 said:

And it feeds in to FOX's overall mission to divide the country.

I just started watching Great American Recipe on PBS. It is truly about regional cooking with a very good representation of Americana. It is way better than anything I've ever seen on Masterchef.

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20 hours ago, eel2178 said:

I just started watching Great American Recipe on PBS. It is truly about regional cooking with a very good representation of Americana. It is way better than anything I've ever seen on Masterchef.

Did you watch that last season?  I usually love PBS and I'm not a fan of cutthroat reality competitions, but I find that series a little syrupy sweet for me.  And last season it looked like the judges were favoring certain people over others right from the start.  Also every challenge was very general as in "cook something you love", comparing dishes that had no relationship to each other and no specific parameters.  It didn't feel so satisfying to watch.  Not that MasterChef doesn't have its annoying aspects, but I find the annoyance factor even higher on that series than this one if you can believe that!

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13 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Did you watch that last season?  I usually love PBS and I'm not a fan of cutthroat reality competitions, but I find that series a little syrupy sweet for me.  And last season it looked like the judges were favoring certain people over others right from the start.  Also every challenge was very general as in "cook something you love", comparing dishes that had no relationship to each other and no specific parameters.  It didn't feel so satisfying to watch.  Not that MasterChef doesn't have its annoying aspects, but I find the annoyance factor even higher on that series than this one if you can believe that!

No, I didn't see last season, but I am considering buying the cookbook.

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On 6/28/2023 at 9:01 PM, kirklandia said:

Next new episodes - July 12?

This show is already holding my interest by the thinnest of threads.  Three weeks between episodes, bad move.  Maybe we can blame the writers' strike?

Oops, guess not - "reality" shows are "unscripted ".

I think the hiatus would be less if we didn’t have a holiday next week

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On 6/29/2023 at 8:16 AM, Yeah No said:

This is not a full list but it does include a lot of food said to have originated in New England:

Boston baked beans, Boston scrod, baked stuffed shrimp, "Indian" pudding, New England style Johnnycakes, Yankee pot roast, canned Boston brown bread, New England boiled dinner, boiled lobster, lobster bakes, lobster roll sandwich, Boston cream pie, cider doughnuts, New England clam chowder, Rhode Island clam chowder (clear broth), New Haven style clam pizza, steamer clams, maple candy, maple fudge, maple walnut ice cream, Parker House rolls, pumpkin pie, red flannel hash, Tollhouse cookies, succotash, top split hot dog rolls, whoopie pies, Harvard beets, clams casino, cheddar cheese apple pie, Russian dressing, New England style corn chowder, many styles of fish and seafood chowder, maple cream pie, the fluffernutter, popovers, blueberry pie.

I know a lot of people might look at this list and say "Oh this was done in other parts of the country", but note that New England arguably did most of these things first and in their own unique way.

And note that this list is only for New England.  Other parts of the Northeast have their own dishes, like New York state, which is the home of Buffalo chicken wings, chicken riggies, chef's salad, the Reuben sandwich, Waldorf salad, eggs Benedict, English Muffins, Bloody Marys, the Tom Collins, Baked Alaska, potato chips, Thousand Island dressing, Delmonico steak, lobster newburg, pasta primavera, spaghetti and meatballs (which was not originally from Italy), Manhattan style clam chowder (red broth based), Red Velvet cake (which was invented at the Waldorf Astoria hotel, NOT the South), chicken and waffles, (which many argue was invented in Harlem in Manhattan), and even hot dogs themselves!

And these lists are only for two areas of the Northeast.  If you include Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc. the list gets even longer.

For sure as people moved West they took these dishes with them and they lost their identification with the region they came from in some cases being rivaled by other areas as originating them.

Sorry for the long list, but I'm just tired that credit is not given where credit is due.

Not being from that area, I only could come up with a couple things off the top of my head. That's quite an impressive list and yes, they sound very "Northeast-y" to me.

My friend from Buffalo is always talking about beef on weck and sponge candy among other things that escape my memory at the moment.

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I'm at a birthday party on Sunday. It was for a friend from high school and she invited a ton of other friends who are alums so we had a nice mini reunion. As happens at reunions the conversation shifted to careers and, after noting how many ended up in the culinary world, the birthday girl suddenly exclaimed "oh I forgot! Nina's doing a reality show!" She pulled up Nina's show profile on her phone and we were all "WHAAAAAAAT???" Now, Nina graduated when I was in eighth grade so I didn't know her well but I'm friends with her younger sisters (cheered when I saw her sister Holly at auditions) and am now fully invested as if we were BFF. I've never eaten anything she's cooked so I can't speak to that but I have eaten her parents food (currently remembering the meatballs her dad made at a fourth grade birthday party which were YUM) so I assume she inherited their talents. 

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Re: the three week break and re-runs, my first thought was they didn’t get the initial viewership numbers they hoped for. Worse, they seem to be airing the reruns again, on a different night (my local Fox plays fast and loose with the schedule and fillers).

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On 6/29/2023 at 9:16 AM, Yeah No said:

Sorry for the long list, but I'm just tired that credit is not given where credit is due.

And kudos to you for that inclusive list! Not a thing on there I don’t love. I do have to mention one pet peeve. It should be illegal, punishable by repeated ocean dunking and revocation of restaurant license, to serve shredded lobster “salad” and call it a lobster roll on your menu.

One more: absolutely love red Reubens on pumpernickel with thousand island dressing (pickled red cabbage replaces sauerkraut).

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One more: I make Johnny cake and baking powder biscuits all the time-from scratch (wouldn’t sully my grocery cart with boxes of Jiffy or Bisquik).

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Does anyone know if/when they're going to show tonight's episode in the Chicago area? We've just finished non stop severe weather/tornado coverage and Fox just resumed regularly programming after Masterchef.

It's on right now.

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So glad Richie was sent packing since I thought he should have gone last time for his non-dish dish. Then this week he screws up again and tries to game the judges - especially Joe (who wasn't having any of it) - with his "home cake" play the grandma card b.s. For a quick second I thought they might save him and send Charles home when they asked the question of whose was the worst dish as to the apple theme - glad they didn't.

And Kendal owes Jennifer big time. Not only would he have been in the bottom group if the South team hadn't won immunity,  but didn't Ramsay actually say he would have been sent home if he didn't have immunity? And making churros for Aaron and using salt instead of sugar. Arrgh!

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4 minutes ago, Deskisamess said:

Oh goody, DirecTV is squabbling with whoever owns this show, so I no longer see it. My current recording is the message about the contract expiring.

 

You can watch it on the FOX website, although last night's episode is still locked. It should be unlocked at least before next week. Or if you have Hulu, last night's ep is available today.

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10 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

You can watch it on the FOX website, although last night's episode is still locked. It should be unlocked at least before next week. Or if you have Hulu, last night's ep is available today.

Thanks!

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Even if his CUPcakes had turned out well, who just makes cupcakes on Masterchef and dumps some chopped apples on them? 
That only works if you’re hoping someone else does something much worse. But churro guy got immunity. 

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This show is so goofy and fake.  Gorden and Joe dramatically sighing and shaking their heads at how Balcony Guy had screwed the South and Northeast teams with the "sweet" designation over "savory."  THEY'RE APPLES.  Pork chops and applesauce is the only classic pairing I can think of--certainly not warm apples poured over fish (ew) or scallops (ew!).  On the other hand, you don't have to be a trained pastry chef to rustle up some kind of sugary crumble and whip some cream.  Don't forget the cinnamon.  Or go crazy--nutmeg!  Done.

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Maybe the geographic teams are artificially gerrymandered, but since that's what the producers chose, would it have killed them to distribute different colored aprons?

 

{Sorry.  I'm cranky from squinting at the delicate stitching on the apron bibs, trying to figure out who's on what team.  You're pushing me, show.}

 

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I just don't know what Richie was thinking-did he really think he could pull a fast one over on Gordon?  Yes, Joe was the one who took him to task, but this is Gordon Ramsey that he thought he could hoodwink.  And then Kendal not realizing he used salt instead of sugar?  Ridiculous.  It is very apparent that to be cast all someone needs to do is have just one good dish they can make and the potential for drama.  I think there are several contestants who seem like they are very good-but the others?  Not so much.

Like others I don't think savory is easier than sweet.  Maybe this just shows how little the contestants really know about cooking if they thought they were being punished by being assigned 'sweet.'

So, could I be cast if I put forth my best dish and then promised to bring drama?  Not a bad idea but the fact I hate drama would probably prevent me from doing so...

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12 hours ago, candall said:

This show is so goofy and fake.  Gorden and Joe dramatically sighing and shaking their heads at how Balcony Guy had screwed the South and Northeast teams with the "sweet" designation over "savory."  THEY'RE APPLES.  Pork chops and applesauce is the only classic pairing I can think of--certainly not warm apples poured over fish (ew) or scallops (ew!).  On the other hand, you don't have to be a trained pastry chef to rustle up some kind of sugary crumble and whip some cream.  Don't forget the cinnamon.  Or go crazy--nutmeg!  Done.

While I agree with on the heavy handed dramatics sighs, I do believe sweet was more challenging if only for the time limit. Baking requires an exactness and 60 minutes is tight to concoct, mix, bake, and cool (if required). Whereas, sauteed scallops are done in like 5 minutes tops. 

Plus, many chefs have an utter aversion to baking or desserts and struggle even coming up with a gameplan. Example: Kendall

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3 hours ago, snarts said:

I do believe sweet was more challenging if only for the time limit. Baking requires an exactness and 60 minutes is tight to concoct, mix, bake, and cool (if required). Whereas, sauteed scallops are done in like 5 minutes tops. 

I was thinking this exact thing.  Pie crust or cakes take close to 45 minutes just to cook, then cool for decorating or filling.  Do a google search on one-hour deserts and the apple crumble is about all you'd see.  Doesn't make any sense to me.  And I hate this regional approach, wish it would just stop.

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18 hours ago, candall said:

Pork chops and applesauce is the only

Apples have long been used, especially in the NE apple country to flavor meat, and temper harsher flavored veg. Sauerkraut, onions, cabbage, all root veggies blend well with apples. 

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Kendal tasted the churro then immediately said he used sugar not salt. So either he lied to the judges’ faces, or he can’t tell the difference in taste and texture between salt and sugar. Either way he needs to go ASAP.

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On 6/22/2023 at 3:52 PM, preeya said:

What will he do when he has to bake a cake or, (gasp) present a perfect box of macrons?

Someone said this ↑ about Kendal (I'm thinking week two) and it appears to be 100% on point.

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On 7/13/2023 at 10:29 AM, Deskisamess said:

Oh goody, DirecTV is squabbling with whoever owns this show, so I no longer see it. My current recording is the message about the contract expiring.

 

The dispute is between DirecTV and the company that owns your local Fox station- according to this article, that’s probably Tegna.  Basically, they are arguing over how much DirecTV should pay for the rights to carry all Tegna’s stations- they own various network affiliates in many TV markets.  Unfortunately these things can take a long time, and you will probably not have on demand access to Fox shows either until it’s resolved.  My advice is to call DirecTV and make sure they are not charging you for any blocked channels.  Otherwise, if you really want to watch this show, Hulu is probably your best option for now.

As for the show, I think they made the correct decision given the circumstances.  I think Richie showed the danger of having to do desserts - by the time you realize what you’ve done wrong, there’s basically nothing you can do to fix it.  I do think he should have just admitted his mistake rather than try to bs the judges.  He possibly could have gotten away with something like, “once I realized my mistake, I tried to change my dish on the fly, and give it more of the feel of this unleavened biscuit my Grandma used to make,” rather than trying to claim it was his intention from the start.  And regardless, Kendall got super lucky - I can understand mistaking salt for sugar when you’re in a rush- but if he actually tasted it and didn’t know?  That’s strange.

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50 minutes ago, Chyromaniac said:

As for the show, I think they made the correct decision given the circumstances.  I think Richie showed the danger of having to do desserts - by the time you realize what you’ve done wrong, there’s basically nothing you can do to fix it.  I do think he should have just admitted his mistake rather than try to bs the judges.  He possibly could have gotten away with something like, “once I realized my mistake, I tried to change my dish on the fly, and give it more of the feel of this unleavened biscuit my Grandma used to make,” rather than trying to claim it was his intention from the start.  And regardless, Kendall got super lucky - I can understand mistaking salt for sugar when you’re in a rush- but if he actually tasted it and didn’t know?  That’s strange.

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All i know is that there are some real idiots this season. When you have Gordon Ramsey-Gordon!Fucking!Ramsey! Telling you or suggesting you do or not do something, you LISTEN to him, instead of thinking you know better. Or even Aaron and Joe. I saw this happen in the most recent Next Level Chef too, where some contestants thought they knew more/better and they learned humiliatingly otherwise. Just like here. 

And that was some real BULLSHIT Ritchie was spewing-did he really think he could get away with LYING to the judges? Gives me second and third hand embarrassment that he hails from the town I grew up in.
 

And just what was Purvi cooking? Kheer*? That takes close to an hour to make, maybe more, as my Mum, Nani, and Aunts have made. I wonder if she even knows how to cook Indian dishes, but instead probably eats pre-cooked, frozen meals! Her “dish” in the auditions proved that to me!

*Rice pudding with milk, raisins, slivers of pistachio and cardamom.

I know I’ve said this before and it bears repeating: I would give ANYTHING, ANYTHING!!! to have Gordon cook something for me or rather, show me how. In my home.

WHAAAAAT???

 

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