The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Sorry for the double post, but I really had to add this.

http://www.the-editing-room.com/captain-america-civil-war.html

 

*dies the death of ten thousand LOLZ*

[Wynterwolf]

"Winterized Sebastian"  **snort**

[Morrigan2575]

Please let this deal happen!

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/disney-and-fox-are-closing-in-on-deal-could-be-announced-next-week--sources.html

Not only for the MCU but, maybe with Disney getting A New Hope I can finally get The Original Trilogy Unedited Theatrical Release on Blue Ray!

Han Shot First!

Edited December 6, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[Wynterwolf]

1 minute ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Han Shot First!

YES!!!

I actually do have a DVD version of the original movie cut... it was included on the Limited Edition DVD that was released in '06.  It's a grainy 4:3 version, but it's still what I fell in love with in the theater.  

[SnoGirl]

Chris Evans posted about this on Twitter hoping for a Cap/Human buddy comedy spin off. Im still cracking up about it bc when they casted Chris Evans as Cap after the Fantastic Four movies I was shocked. I liked him as the Human Torch and could NOT imagine him ad Cap. Ironically, his Cap is one of my favorite Avengers now...

[Kel Varnsen]

25 minutes ago, SnoGirl said:

Chris Evans posted about this on Twitter hoping for a Cap/Human buddy comedy spin off. Im still cracking up about it bc when they casted Chris Evans as Cap after the Fantastic Four movies I was shocked. I liked him as the Human Torch and could NOT imagine him ad Cap. Ironically, his Cap is one of my favorite Avengers now...

Speaking of the torch, i wonder if getting the rights to Johnny Storm torch would make it easier to use original robo human torch. Would love to ser a Cap flashback golden age movie with him, Bucky, the Human Torch, Namor and Peggy.

[Perfect Xero]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Speaking of the torch, i wonder if getting the rights to Johnny Storm torch would make it easier to use original robo human torch. Would love to ser a Cap flashback golden age movie with him, Bucky, the Human Torch, Namor and Peggy.

Probably does. The Namor rights are still rather unclear though.

[Jazzy24]

41 minutes ago, Perfect Xero said:

Probably does. The Namor rights are still rather unclear though.

I'm pretty sure that Marvel owns the rights to Namor  again. 

[Wynterwolf]

**googles Namor**

So, kind of Marvel's version of Aquaman, only angry?

 

Heh.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[Perfect Xero]

30 minutes ago, Jazzy24 said:

I'm pretty sure that Marvel owns the rights to Namor  again. 

I've seen that said, but usually followed by confusion and people bringing up old quotes about how it's more complicated because of contractual issues. So I'm not sure what the actual situation is.

 

24 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

**googles Namor**

So, kind of Marvel's version of Aquaman, only angry?

Aquaman is the DC version of Namor!

But, yeah, he's angry and often more of an antihero type character than Aquaman.

[benteen]

16 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Speaking of the torch, i wonder if getting the rights to Johnny Storm torch would make it easier to use original robo human torch. Would love to ser a Cap flashback golden age movie with him, Bucky, the Human Torch, Namor and Peggy.

I want to see a real Captain American World War II movie, none of this Hydra nonsense.  The Red Skull was and is a gigantic Nazi and Cap fought Nazis.  I also want to see Cap with the original Human Torch and Namor in a World War II adventure (you can definitely add Bucky and Peggy to the mix).  Cap, Original Torch and Namor were the big three for Marvel (then Timely)  Comics and I want to see an Invaders movie.

Evans was very good as the Johnny Storm Human Torch.

[Bruinsfan]

I don't necessarily disagree, but you do know the Invaders team was created by Marvel in 1969 as a retcon of the WWII heroes' exploits, right? I believe the original heroes had a couple of team up appearances back in late 40s, but their formalized team adventures weren't actually published during the war.

[Matt K]

On 12/5/2017 at 7:30 PM, Wynterwolf said:

YES!!!

I actually do have a DVD version of the original movie cut... it was included on the Limited Edition DVD that was released in '06.  It's a grainy 4:3 version, but it's still what I fell in love with in the theater.  

I have the VHS where they touched up the visual effects but that's it.  I'd love to upgrade to a blu-ray version of that.  

 

What would be really fun would be an Aliens vs Predator vs Avengers or GotG movie.

[Dandesun]

22 hours ago, SnoGirl said:

Chris Evans posted about this on Twitter hoping for a Cap/Human buddy comedy spin off. Im still cracking up about it bc when they casted Chris Evans as Cap after the Fantastic Four movies I was shocked. I liked him as the Human Torch and could NOT imagine him ad Cap. Ironically, his Cap is one of my favorite Avengers now...

When they announced Evans as Cap my first thought was 'But he was already Johnny Storm!' And, yeah, he played Johnny perfectly... to the point where I sincerely doubted his ability to play Steve Rogers.

Happily eating crow on that. Not only do I adore his Cap, I have a ridiculous crush on Chris Evans, too... starting when he gave a practical answer about possible time travel. "Can I bring stuff with me? Like penicillin? I don't want to go back in time, get a toothache and die." Guys who think about practical packing for time travel turn me on, I guess.

Also, he said he envisioned the Cap/Human Torch buddy movie as a combination of 'Planes, Trains and Automobiles' and 'The Parent Trap.' I mean... I am not made of stone, people. He's still too young to be a national treasure but he's well on his way with quips like that.

 

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**googles Namor**

So, kind of Marvel's version of Aquaman, only angry?

Angry... kind of a dick... more than kind of a dick... has an aversion to wearing shirts. They can get Jason Momoa to play Namor in the Marvel Universe, too. His turn as Khal Drogo proves he can be angry as fuck. I don't care, give him the entire market on ocean based superheroes. I'm fine with it.

Edited December 8, 2017 by Dandesun

[benteen]

23 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but you do know the Invaders team was created by Marvel in 1969 as a retcon of the WWII heroes' exploits, right? I believe the original heroes had a couple of team up appearances back in late 40s, but their formalized team adventures weren't actually published during the war.

You're right and I stand corrected on that fact.  Still, all three superheroes were active during World War 2, fighting Nazis (not Hydra) and the Japanese.  That's a movie I'd like to see.

[starri]

I wish there was a feasible way for them to do a film version of Marvels, but the timeline just wouldn't work.  They'd have to do it as an alternate universe thing, and that's probably too much for all but the hardcore.

Now, if Marvel had an animated division that was a tenth as good as DC's...

[Raja]

10 minutes ago, starri said:

I wish there was a feasible way for them to do a film version of Marvels, but the timeline just wouldn't work.  They'd have to do it as an alternate universe thing, and that's probably too much for all but the hardcore.

Now, if Marvel had an animated division that was a tenth as good as DC's...

I think the hardcore just wants to get their characters into play and will accept blowing up existing MCU canon to do it. A film only or film and TV MCU only hardcore is a small batch and will be tossed aside for the greater glory of potentially more money. The  big ten year experiment using  what were secondary and third rate book characters leading the franchise goes away. 

[starri]

3 minutes ago, Raja said:

I think the hardcore just wants to get their characters into play and will accept blowing up existing MCU canon to do it.

See, I don't think so.  I think if you blow that up, it stops being Marvel.

No shade on the Distinguished Competition and its long, wonderful history, but the Marvel Universe (not the MCU) is a whole greater than the sum of its parts in a way that DC just isn't.

[Raja]

5 minutes ago, starri said:

See, I don't think so.  I think if you blow that up, it stops being Marvel.

No shade on the Distinguished Competition and its long, wonderful history, but the Marvel Universe (not the MCU) is a whole greater than the sum of its parts in a way that DC just isn't.

I can only go by the different online communities which I am in. Being the MCU concept extremist I am seeing that some on the other side will do anything to force mutants beyond Wolverine and Magneto into the MCU by the next movie without any background as to how all these mutant schools and teams existed in secret all this time and with them not facing public discrimination for their existence. Suddenly they are a thing without any historical, in the MCU, reason for them to have banded together in the first place..

From some of the DCEU complaints the same applies to the comics hardcore who want their mutants now, patience using the Captain post credit scene. Let the ground work be built

[Cobalt Stargazer]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

I can only go by the different online communities which I am in. Being the MCU concept extremist I am seeing that some on the other side will do anything to force mutants beyond Wolverine and Magneto into the MCU by the next movie without any background as to how all these mutant schools and teams existed in secret all this time and with them not facing public discrimination for their existence. Suddenly they are a thing without any historical, in the MCU, reason for them to have banded together in the first place..

From some of the DCEU complaints the same applies to the comics hardcore who want their mutants now, patience using the Captain post credit scene. Let the ground work be built

I've said this at least once, but I belong to a Facebook group about the MCU, and the last post I saw regarding the resuscitated deal between Fox and Disney is that it'll be a disaster precisely because of trying to fit mutants beyond Wolverine and Magneto into the movieverse. Personally, I think it would be totally fine to let the MCU be its own thing, although the 'necessity' of killing off Quicksilver still strikes me as arbitrary considering how many other characters they've let survive. And since many of the X Men movies focus on how hard it is for mutants to just get by without hurting others accidentally, like Rogue, I think there'd have to be something plausible as an explanation as to how they've been among 'the normals' all this time without being singled out. Otherwise, it might just be better to leave them out of things.

[Raja]

27 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I've said this at least once, but I belong to a Facebook group about the MCU, and the last post I saw regarding the resuscitated deal between Fox and Disney is that it'll be a disaster precisely because of trying to fit mutants beyond Wolverine and Magneto into the movieverse. Personally, I think it would be totally fine to let the MCU be its own thing, although the 'necessity' of killing off Quicksilver still strikes me as arbitrary considering how many other characters they've let survive. And since many of the X Men movies focus on how hard it is for mutants to just get by without hurting others accidentally, like Rogue, I think there'd have to be something plausible as an explanation as to how they've been among 'the normals' all this time without being singled out. Otherwise, it might just be better to leave them out of things.

I just think they have time on their side. But then I waited for about 30 years for the technology and willingness to build a MCU to come around. If those classic X-Men mutants were children right now perhaps a result of environmental damage with the explosion in their numbers coming out of the Battle of New York in The Avengers instead of nuclear testing in the original books,  and that they  should be mistaken for Inhumans in the MCU world, then about the time RDJ retires you have a reserve of stories and characters ready to move into the forefront instead of recasting Iron Man and Captain America and resetting the MCU.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Raja

[Wynterwolf]

8 minutes ago, Raja said:

I just think they have time on their side. But then I waited for about 30 years for the technology and willingness to build a MCU to come around. If those classic X-Men mutants were children right now perhaps a result of environmentall damage with the explosion in their numbers coming out of the Battle of New York in The Avengers instead of nuclear testing in the original books  and that they  should be mistaken for Inhumans in the MCU world then about the time RDJ retires you have a reserve of stories and characters ready to move into the forefront instead of recasting Iron Man and Captain America and resetting the MCU.

MTE, plus with Dr. Strange in IW/A4, they can also do something funky with time to change something going forward that creates this type of situation.  

 

36 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

although the 'necessity' of killing off Quicksilver still strikes me as arbitrary considering how many other characters they've let survive.

Frankly, I always thought that was just Joss being Joss and him being married to his stale ideas of what creates drama in storytelling.  He's like a Nicholas Sparks novel. 

[Morrigan2575]

56 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

Frankly, I always thought that was just Joss being Joss and him being married to his stale ideas of what creates drama in storytelling.  He's like a Nicholas Sparks novel. 

Same, Joss constantly goes to that same well.

[scriggle]

1 hour ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

although the 'necessity' of killing off Quicksilver still strikes me as arbitrary considering how many other characters they've let survive.

I read somewhere that was a legal thing with Fox about the character rights. They came to some sort of agreement that both Maximoff twins could appear in Age of Ultron but only one, Wanda, would be in the MCU going forward.

[Raja]

25 minutes ago, scriggle said:

I read somewhere that was a legal thing with Fox about the character rights. They came to some sort of agreement that both Maximoff twins could appear in Age of Ultron but only one, Wanda, would be in the MCU going forward.

That was the speculation, a gentleman's agreement. Seeing that the X-Men Quicksilver and the TV Flash were getting such good notices I could see the temptation to let the speedster go.

[Perfect Xero]

I got it figured out, the MCU version of the Onslaught Saga happened in April 2007, with the FF and X-Men teaming up to stop it. Everything in the X-Men films is a pocket universe and when they return to the MCU everyone's memories will be restored.

[Morrigan2575]

4 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

I got it figured out, the MCU version of the Onslaught Saga happened in April 2007, with the FF and X-Men teaming up to stop it. Everything in the X-Men films is a pocket universe and when they return to the MCU everyone's memories will be restored.

That could work but, doesn't it require Franklin Richards? Would the FF come to MCU already adults and parents? 

[Jazzy24]

7 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

I got it figured out, the MCU version of the Onslaught Saga happened in April 2007, with the FF and X-Men teaming up to stop it. Everything in the X-Men films is a pocket universe and when they return to the MCU everyone's memories will be restored.

No. I don’t like the X-men films and I think about 99.9% of the actors/actresses are miscasted. If Disney and Marvel does get the rights back I want them recasted and a start over.

[JessePinkman]

Out of 10 films, only 5 of the X-Men characters have been well cast if you ask me. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender. Everyone else has been miscast or horribly written and so far removed from their comic book counterparts that it makes you wonder “What was the point?”. 

If if they INSIST on bringing Jackman over then they need to recast everyone else.

I think the MCU trying to incorporate the FOX X-Men universe with timey wimey bullshit will be too much for the general audience to absorb honestly. My boss took us to see Justice League without having seen Thor Ragnarok and asked me if JL would spoil it for him. I’m sure he’s an outlier but at the same time these movies already meld together for a lot of people so why introduce even more confusion?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

1 hour ago, Jazzy24 said:

No. I don’t like the X-men films and I think about 99.9% of the actors/actresses are miscasted. If Disney and Marvel does get the rights back I want them recasted and a start over.

Interesting. I don't entirely agree, but it's been seventeen years since the first X Men movie, and the establishment of the MCU and their worth as box office champs could have an effect if a do-over happens. That said, I wouldn't want Wolverine and Xavier (and I guess Magneto) recast. if they can't do it right. I admit to having problems with Logan when it comes to being a screentime sponge,  but Hugh Jackman is the character, if only by default since he's the only actor who's played him on the large screen. Really, the only big blunder I can think of is Storm, but even that was due to budget limitations and not being able to find the right actress.

Also?

Brock Rumlow - brave but not very bright:

Edited December 10, 2017 by Cobalt Stargazer

[Kel Varnsen]

44 minutes ago, JessePinkman said:

Out of 10 films, only 5 of the X-Men characters have been well cast if you ask me. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender. Everyone else has been miscast or horribly written and so far removed from their comic book counterparts that it makes you wonder “What was the point?”. 

If if they INSIST on bringing Jackman over then they need to recast everyone else.

I think the MCU trying to incorporate the FOX X-Men universe with timey wimey bullshit will be too much for the general audience to absorb honestly. My boss took us to see Justice League without having seen Thor Ragnarok and asked me if JL would spoil it for him. I’m sure he’s an outlier but at the same time these movies already meld together for a lot of people so why introduce even more confusion?

It has been forever since I have seen X2 and even longer since I read God Loves Man Kills, but I remember Brian Cox being pretty awesome as Stryker. Yes I know they totally changed the character,  but Brian Cox did great with the character they gave him (although not sure i have seen him in anything where he was bad).  In the same movie Alan Cumming was a pretty solid Nightcrawler.

Agreed though about time travel, seems like a massive recipe for disaster. Even great time travel stories can be hard for people to wrap their heads around (John Connor's dad is also his best friend). Trying to do that with super heros and adding diverging timelines, pocket universes and characters existing in multiple times would confuse a bunch of people even if done well. Which is too bad since when i read above that Marvel could get the rights to Kang i was initially excited, but there is a lot of crazy timeline shit associated with Kang that would annoy a bunch of people. The whole kind of thing where The Avengers beat one Kang and then a other shows up who may either be older or younger than the last one is probably too crazy for a lot of people. Which is too bad since there are some great Avengers time travel stories (especially since the FF rights also mean Doom and his time machine).

[stealinghome]

51 minutes ago, JessePinkman said:

Out of 10 films, only 5 of the X-Men characters have been well cast if you ask me. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender. Everyone else has been miscast or horribly written and so far removed from their comic book counterparts that it makes you wonder “What was the point?”.

Agreed. I always think of the X-Men movies as solid movies but bad fanfiction--they use the names and powers of many recognizable X-characters, but that's just about the only resemblance I can see between the comic characters and the movie characters (aside from Professor X, Magneto, and Wolverine). Singer basically took the names and powers and then just wrote the personalities as whatever the fuck he felt like. Hence, bad fanfiction. tbh it's always felt to me like someone told Singer about the general idea of mutants=oppressed population, and he liked the big idea and ran with it, but never bothered to research the specifics (and certainly doesn't have the respect for it that Marvel generally does with their characters).

Now, I do think that some of the actors could probably give a credible performance of the comic character if handed the right script, but IF the MCU were to fold the X-Men in, I think it's a golden opportunity to just wipe the slate clean and recast the whole thing.

[Jazzy24]

I see red everytime I think about how my X-Men have been butchered on film. I HATE FOX for what they did to them. The X-Men was my introduction into the Avengers, Spider-Man, Daredevil, and just everything Marvel. I just need them done better, especially Cyclops and Storm who are my favourite X-Men ever. 

[Morrigan2575]

3 hours ago, Jazzy24 said:

I see red everytime I think about how my X-Men have been butchered on film. I HATE FOX for what they did to them. The X-Men was my introduction into the Avengers, Spider-Man, Daredevil, and just everything Marvel. I just need them done better, especially Cyclops and Storm who are my favourite X-Men ever. 

Yay! Another Cyclops fan! ?

I enjoyed X-Men, even if I had some quibbles and, I really liked X-2.  Everything else (excluding Deadpool and Logan) ranged from atrocious (X3, Wolverine Origins, Apocalypse) to mediocre (The Wolverine, First Class, Days of Future Past). The only thing I enjoyed about DoFP was the inclusion of the original X-Men actors).

I want X-Men back in the MCU because I know Feige would do right by the characters. I do think recasting some of the characters (Logan, Professor X and, Magneto) would be problematic.

[Captain Carrot]

I think the Fox X-Men movies are decent, but not sustainable. (At least not the way they make them). Disney should let Fox wrap things up over the next 4-5 years. (However, Feige should have some oversight so that they don't poison people against any given character). Then let the characters remain dormant for a couple years before bringing them into the MCU. (I'm thinking a total of 7 - 10 years). This will give the fans of the current movies the satisfaction of having a proper resolution, and give Marvel time to lay the ground work for the X-Men in the MCU.

 

Now if I remember my Marvel Comics science, everybody has a latent X gene. Someone is a mutant if that gene is activated, and this usually happens at puberty. So, for the ground work, I would make it so there have always been a few mutant, and more mutants were gradually appearing. However, their numbers were small enough that they flew under the radar, and this should have continued for another hundred years. But, something happened to speed up the process. (Maybe the events of the first Avengers, as someone born in 2012 will be 15 in 2027). This would allow for an X-Men origin story, and allow for some characters (cough Wolverine) to already exist in the MCU.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

[Dandesun]

You know, there's a part of me that would love the merger because it does combine things in a way that they could get some things right.

Like Rogue and Carol Danvers... they'd finally be able to get Rogue right presuming they could separate from FOX's wretched version of Mystique long enough to make her the extremely complex character she actually is... with Irene, raising Rogue -- I mean, yes, raising her as a terrorist but still... because if you get that down you not only get Rogue as she actually was in the comics but you open the door for Carol AS BINARY!! Binary tooling around the universe with the fucking Starjammers!

All of which I know will never come to pass... and not necessarily because of story but because that's an awful lot of women characters to focus on, you know?

So my heart gets a little excited about that sort of thing even though my head knows it will never be.

[Wynterwolf]

New YA book with Loki as genderfluid pansexual.  Which further helps legitimize a LOT of subtext in Ragnorak.  

Edited December 12, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[Joe]

10 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

New YA book with Loki as genderfluid pansexual.  Which further helps legitimize a LOT of subtext in Ragnorak.  

It's in line with the mythology, where he's the mother of Odin's horse.

[Silver Raven]

12 minutes ago, Joe said:

It's in line with the mythology, where he's the mother of Odin's horse.

And of Fenrir, the wolf who will kill Odin in Ragnarok.

[Perfect Xero]

Wanda and Pietro's powers were activated by the scepter/mind gem. Wanda's powers being related to the mind gem kind of make sense, but Pietro's super speed? Not so much.

Theory: They were already mutants. 10 years or so ago some major event happened and Phoenix or Xavier or Legion or some other powerful telepath(s) used their powers to alter everyone's memories of mutants and blocked their powers. Without their memories of being mutants and powers mutants have been living normal lives since. This is why the mind gem failed to give powers to all the other Hydra test subjects but did work on Wanda and Pietro. It simply removed whatever mutant power block had been put in place.

[Which Tyler]

14 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

And of Fenrir, the wolf who will kill Odin in Ragnarok.

And wassname, the snake that circles the world and drips venom onto Loki (what a devoted wife)

Edited December 12, 2017 by Which Tyler

[Cobalt Stargazer]

1 hour ago, Perfect Xero said:

Wanda and Pietro's powers were activated by the scepter/mind gem. Wanda's powers being related to the mind gem kind of make sense, but Pietro's super speed? Not so much.

Theory: They were already mutants. 10 years or so ago some major event happened and Phoenix or Xavier or Legion or some other powerful telepath(s) used their powers to alter everyone's memories of mutants and blocked their powers. Without their memories of being mutants and powers mutants have been living normal lives since. This is why the mind gem failed to give powers to all the other Hydra test subjects but did work on Wanda and Pietro. It simply removed whatever mutant power block had been put in place.

Interesting theory, except that in the comics Wanda and Pietro thought they were mutants specifically because they were Magneto's children, and then that turned out to be not true. Even if, in movie canon, they were genetically predisposed to develop powers at some point, all of the other test subjects died during the experiments or whatever word you'd like to use, and we don't know how many people that involved because by the time the twins show up they were already proficient at using their abilities, as if they'd had lots of time to practice.
 

4 hours ago, Dandesun said:

All of which I know will never come to pass... and not necessarily because of story but because that's an awful lot of women characters to focus on, you know?

On Hawkeye's behalf, I would like to take issue with the idea that being male automatically means they're going to pay attention to you. There seems to be a question of whether or not he's even in the Infinity War trailer, and I've watched it enough times that I should have seen him, but I can't recall having done so. Hell, even Barnes hasn't gotten a huge amount of focus except as a source of angst for Steve, so while I don't dispute your larger point, Renner's been there since the beginning and they still haven't given him much to work with.

[JessePinkman]

He got a whole family in Ultron and still came across as utterly useless. Hawkeye's an interesting character in the comics, his relationships with Cap, Wanda and Pietro are great but in the movies he's just there. 

 

7 hours ago, Dandesun said:

You know, there's a part of me that would love the merger because it does combine things in a way that they could get some things right.

Like Rogue and Carol Danvers... they'd finally be able to get Rogue right presuming they could separate from FOX's wretched version of Mystique long enough to make her the extremely complex character she actually is... with Irene, raising Rogue -- I mean, yes, raising her as a terrorist but still... because if you get that down you not only get Rogue as she actually was in the comics but you open the door for Carol AS BINARY!! Binary tooling around the universe with the fucking Starjammers!

All of which I know will never come to pass... and not necessarily because of story but because that's an awful lot of women characters to focus on, you know?

So my heart gets a little excited about that sort of thing even though my head knows it will never be.

Yes! Everyone else is looking at the bigger picture but shit like this is what excites me! I will never understand how the X movies got every single woman on the team wrong. The women were the driving force of the X-Men.

Edited December 13, 2017 by JessePinkman

[Lugal]

3 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

And wassname, the snake that circles the world and drips venom onto Loki (what a devoted wife)

Jörmungandr.  The snake that drips venom onto Loki (that Sigyn catches) is a different serpent.

[Dandesun]

19 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

On Hawkeye's behalf, I would like to take issue with the idea that being male automatically means they're going to pay attention to you. There seems to be a question of whether or not he's even in the Infinity War trailer, and I've watched it enough times that I should have seen him, but I can't recall having done so. Hell, even Barnes hasn't gotten a huge amount of focus except as a source of angst for Steve, so while I don't dispute your larger point, Renner's been there since the beginning and they still haven't given him much to work with.

I suppose it is rough to be the fifth tier male character and get forgotten behind the Johnny Come Latelys like Black Panther, Vision, Dr. Strange and Spider-Man. (Antman wasn't in the trailer, either, but he might have been really tiny.) Meanwhile, all two of the main female characters on the Avengers get their brief moments while Gamora and Mantis are part of the ending group shot. Hawkeye did get a family and a farm and a sort of adoptive daddy vibe with Wanda and Pietro but he's still on the lower end of the totem pole as far as actual characterization... after Tony, Steve, Thor, Banner, Strange, Peter, Peter, Scott and soon T'Challa. Rhodey exists as Tony's bestie, Falcon is Steve's modern day bestie, Wong is Stephen Strange's mystic bestie... and Bucky is written as Steve's love interest in just about every capacity. (Seriously, Bucky really does fulfill the lead's love interest tropes in so so so many ways all through the Cap trilogy.)

I will say this, though... after forgetting that Natasha and Clint exist as far as merchandise I have seen Hawkeye bow and arrow sets all over the place at Disneyland. (For some reason, the boy-centric specifically Disney bow and arrow set is fashioned for Gaston. The villain. Girl type bow and arrow sets get Merida.) And they've also got Black Widow glowy armbands so that's something of an improvement in the last few years. Maybe someone paid attention when RDJ kept going on about his son couldn't care less about Iron Man but LOVED Hawkeye. Still... try to find ANYTHING with Wanda on it. Hell, it ain't all that easy to find specifically Natasha atuff, either. Merchandising is beginning to wise up between the Natasha and Rey backlash.

Still, I stand by the initial statement. Even if they got all the rights and whatnot, they'd never do Carol and Rogue. They haven't even gotten to Carol yet in the MCU so who knows how that's even going to go? They're getting better by small increments but Marvel still has a long way to go in regards to their lady characters. FOX has blown it repeatedly with theirs, though, and they've had some of the absolute best to chose from.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

12 hours ago, Dandesun said:

I will say this, though... after forgetting that Natasha and Clint exist as far as merchandise I have seen Hawkeye bow and arrow sets all over the place at Disneyland. (For some reason, the boy-centric specifically Disney bow and arrow set is fashioned for Gaston. The villain. Girl type bow and arrow sets get Merida.) And they've also got Black Widow glowy armbands so that's something of an improvement in the last few years. Maybe someone paid attention when RDJ kept going on about his son couldn't care less about Iron Man but LOVED Hawkeye. Still... try to find ANYTHING with Wanda on it. Hell, it ain't all that easy to find specifically Natasha atuff, either. Merchandising is beginning to wise up between the Natasha and Rey backlash.

I complained to someone who was talking about another fandom that I bought an Avengers calendar for next year, same as I did for 2017, and while Natasha is in it, Wanda isn't. Which makes me grumpy for reasons that I've already disclosed here, but I also collect those Funko Pop bobblehead things, and I bought one of her and Hawkeye in addition to Rey and Jyn Erso. I don't think Wanda is as well-known as some of the other characters, but there is stuff out there.

[Morrigan2575]

It happened!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-buy-21st-century-fox-assets-including-film-studio-bob-iger-extends-2021-1065347

First up Release the unedited, unaltered Han Shot First Original Trilogy on Blue Ray!  Gimme gimme gimmie!

Edited December 14, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[Joe]

30 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

It happened!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-buy-21st-century-fox-assets-including-film-studio-bob-iger-extends-2021-1065347

First up Release the unedited, unaltered Han Shot First Original Trilogy on Blue Ray!  Gimme gimme gimmie!

Well, there goes any further attempt at making the Inhumans the new X-Men. Squirrel Girl may become a mutant. I know what I'd do. The X stuff that's currently in production, I would let that go out as planned. Once those latest movies are done with, then I'd integrate the X-Verse with the MCU.

[Matt K]

Well the deal doesn't even go through until most likely December 2018 so the currently planned movies should still be a go.  Although the X-Men Dark Phoenix movie might not (or get a new director) due to the Bryan Singer allegations/being kicked off the Queen project.  

 

Like Morrigan, I'm super excited for original cut Star Wars (although I'm okay with the early 90's edition that cleaned up the visual fx).  Also really excited for a good Fantastic Four movie and Dr Doom being useable in the MCU.  

 

Although we're getting a little ahead of ourselves as the merger needs to be approved by DOJ and given how they're being run it's anyone's guess if they'll try and block it.