The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[swanpride]

It depends on my mood, but I don't think that any of those actors have a leg to stand on. Emily Blunt, as much as I like her as an actress, stared in Mary Poppins and if there is anything more exhausted than Disney remakes and sequels, I have yet to encounter it.  Jodie Foster, again an actress I think very highly off, often stars in Thrillers, which aren't exactly a high brow genre either. Scorsese is good in his one niche, but I fail to see how a movie becomes better just by being more brutal. And the idea that one movie can diminish another movie which is entirely unrelated to it, is frankly stupid. 

[Bruinsfan]

5 hours ago, tv echo said:

3. However, while accepting his Prix Lumière, Francis Ford Coppola said, "Martin was kind when he said it’s not cinema. He didn’t say it’s despicable, which I just say it is."

I'll hold off on labeling Marvel movies "despicable" until I hear about the Russo Brothers or Jon Watts suing a child actor for breach of contract over turning their molester in to the police, as Coppola did to protect his convicted pedophile protege Victor Salva. Until then, he can sit down and shut all the way up!

Edited August 1, 2022 by Bruinsfan

[Tenshinhan]

I don't blame any of those actors for their criticisms.  Most of them are at least attempting to make decent points about the impact that Marvel and comic book films have had on the film industry.  I also don't think that a little bit of hypocrisy is enough to invalidate their views.  It's only natural to be hypocritical when dealing with this kind of subject matter, it shouldn't be held against them in my opinion.

3 hours ago, Bookworm 1979 said:

Also wanted to add: When I go to the movies, I want to escape the real world for a while.  If I want to watch something serious that focuses on "real world issues", I'll watch the news.

Yes, but that's not everyone.  There are many people who don't go to the movies to escape the real world, even with Marvel movies.  They are looking for something entirely different than an escape.  There are many different forms of entertainment, some more serious, some less so.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Tenshinhan

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Jennifer Aniston has also of course been the female lead in two Happy Madison movies. And her third movie with Adam Sandler comes out later this year. And I like a lot of Adam Sandler movies, but I am not sure she is really in a position to talk about movies that are diminishing the quality of anything.

A lot of those quotes are really taken out of context in that summary. She wasn’t talking about diminishing quality of movies. Her full quote was that the movie roles available are diminishing because the abundance of big Marvel movies. Movies she isn’t offered or isn’t interested in being in. And that streaming is offering better roles for her than the big screen as a result.

Marvel fans jumped on her but I think she has a point. Certain types of roles are diminishing. I love Marvel but I also miss a lot of genres that are dying out on the big screen. 

[benteen]

Scorsese is a great director and still delivers great films. But what great contribution did he make to art in Casino when he shot a scene where a character's he had a guy's head get crushed by a vice? Is violence and profanity just a crutch for him? I don't have a problem with either of them btw but as great a filmmaker as he is, I'm not going to use him as an judge of what is art and what is not.

Coppola has been past his prime for over forty years and as pointed out earlier, protected a pedophile. THAT is despicable.

Edited August 2, 2022 by benteen

[Bookworm 1979]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Yes, but that's not everyone.  There are many people who don't go to the movies to escape the real world, even with Marvel movies.  They are looking for something entirely different than an escape.  There are many different forms of entertainment, some more serious, some less so.

Good for them.  They can do that without attacking people who like comic book movies.

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, Bookworm 1979 said:

Good for them.  They can do that without attacking people who like comic book movies.

I haven't heard anyone attack the fans themselves, just the films.

[SeanC]

4 hours ago, swanpride said:

Scorsese is good in his one niche, but I fail to see how a movie becomes better just by being more brutal. 

When has he ever made that argument?

Scorsese does not have one niche. He's made some famous gangster movies, but he's also made The Age of Innocence, Kundun, and The Aviator.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

7 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Yes, but that's not everyone.  There are many people who don't go to the movies to escape the real world, even with Marvel movies.  They are looking for something entirely different than an escape.  There are many different forms of entertainment, some more serious, some less so.

Perhaps. Alternately, the suggestion appears to be that if you go to the movies not seeking an escape, you're doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to spend an afternoon watching The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari in the original German, and that's okay.

6 hours ago, Dani said:

A lot of those quotes are really taken out of context in that summary. She wasn’t talking about diminishing quality of movies. Her full quote was that the movie roles available are diminishing because the abundance of big Marvel movies. Movies she isn’t offered or isn’t interested in being in. And that streaming is offering better roles for her than the big screen as a result.

Marvel fans jumped on her but I think she has a point. Certain types of roles are diminishing. I love Marvel but I also miss a lot of genres that are dying out on the big screen. 

Switch Jennifer Aniston out for Adam Sandler and it hits different, though. The romcom is pretty dead at this point, and comedies tend to go for the broad strokes, like Bridesmaids and The Heat. I would even argue that Marvel has saved or at least prolonged quite a few careers, so while streaming may be offering better/more choices when it comes to roles, it kind of feels like a poke in the eye to the actors and actresses who choose to take these roles because they want to or because they enjoy the genre.

[swanpride]

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I haven't heard anyone attack the fans themselves, just the films.

Well, when they say that Marvel movies aren't cinema or like a theme park ride and then bemoan their success, they basically suggest that the general audience isn't able to recognize what actual cinema is. So yeah, when they attack the films, they are basically looking down on those who enjoy them. 

[Bookworm 1979]

4 minutes ago, swanpride said:

Well, when they say that Marvel movies aren't cinema or like a theme park ride and then bemoan their success, they basically suggest that the general audience isn't able to recognize what actual cinema is. So yeah, when they attack the films, they are basically looking down on those who enjoy them. 

Thank you!  

[Tenshinhan]

2 hours ago, swanpride said:

Well, when they say that Marvel movies aren't cinema or like a theme park ride and then bemoan their success, they basically suggest that the general audience isn't able to recognize what actual cinema is. So yeah, when they attack the films, they are basically looking down on those who enjoy them. 

That's a huge leap in logic.  Attacking the films is in no way attacking the fans.

If anything the real problem may be that some fans take the criticism of the films too personally.  Overidentifying with the movies leads to an irrational defensiveness whenever someone speaks out against them.

[Dandesun]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

That's a huge leap in logic.  Attacking the films is in no way attacking the fans.

If anything the real problem may be that some fans take the criticism of the films too personally.  Overidentifying with the movies leads to an irrational defensiveness whenever someone speaks out against them.

It's not that huge a leap. If they weren't popular, no one would comment on them. When something is popular and people decide to comment on it, it's very much a hit at those who made the thing popular. It's not that different when commentary about certain books becoming popular becomes a thing.

"These people are consuming a product I personally disapprove of therefore they are the reason that True Art is floundering and nothing Important is being said via Real Cinema."

Tale as old as time. Frankly, arguments about Art are always a hoot to me because every new thing that catches on is sneered at. Impressionists are Ruining Art. Pop Art isn't Real Art! Rock and Roll is ruining Good Music. Rap is ruining Real Music! That Ghostbusters movie with women in the lead roles has destroyed my childhood!

It's just another form of gatekeeping. 

[Tenshinhan]

2 hours ago, Dandesun said:

When something is popular and people decide to comment on it, it's very much a hit at those who made the thing popular.

No, it's a hit against the thing that is popular, first and foremost.  If the fans of the thing feel like they have been attacked, it may very well be because they are taking it too personally and cannot be objective.

2 hours ago, Dandesun said:

"These people are consuming a product I personally disapprove of therefore they are the reason that True Art is floundering and nothing Important is being said via Real Cinema."

Except that nobody ever said this.  At all.

2 hours ago, Dandesun said:

It's just another form of gatekeeping. 

I don't really think that this is an appropriate context for the use of the term "gatekeeping".

[Makai]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

No, it's a hit against the thing that is popular, first and foremost. 

Sometimes and sometimes it is done in a way that is insulting to fans. 

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Except that nobody ever said this.  At all.

The implication and judgement is often there even if no one says those actual words. 

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

I don't really think that this is an appropriate context for the use of the term "gatekeeping".

It a completely accurate use of the term. 

6 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Overidentifying with the movies leads to an irrational defensiveness whenever someone speaks out against them.

I would also say that over-identifying what “cinema” leads an irrational protectiveness of “film” and lead to people speaking out against popular movies.  

Movies are supposed to have connect with audiences in an emotional level. I don’t have a problem when others don’t like the same movies I do but I have a big problem when they feel the need to diminish something that is important to others. There are a lot of people who take joy in tearing down what others care about. 

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, Makai said:

Movies are supposed to connect with audiences on an emotional level.

Yes but that's only one aspect of filmmaking.  It's not always the emotional connection that is most important.  Movies are about doing all sorts of different things.  Including connecting with audiences on an intellectual level.

[swanpride]

I really enjoy movies which connect with me on an intellectual level, those are my favorite MCU movies which manages to satisfy both my emotional and intellectual needs. But I can't remember a single movie which was purely intellectual and I still enjoyed. It is one of the oldest rule of entertainment (see Aristotles) that the emotional connection to the audience is key. And frankly, a purely intellectual movie would be something along the line of a scientific documentary or study, and that is as far removed from Art as its get. Since Art is ALL about emotions. 

[Makai]

27 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Yes but that's only one aspect of filmmaking.  It's not always the emotional connection that is most important.  Movies are about doing all sorts of different things.  Including connecting with audiences on an intellectual level.

I didn’t say it was the most important. I can’t think of a single example, outside of purely educational films, where the emotional connection isn’t a primary goal. Even when the more important goal is to connect at an intellectual level it aims evokes an emotional response in the audience. My problem is that the movies that those film makers and actors are holding up as cinema usually do not connect to me on an intellectual level because they aren’t written for me. Not because I don’t enjoy intellectual movies but because I’m not the target audience.

They would rather bemoan what Marvel is doing to cinema than make their films actually representative of real people. Scorsese doesn’t “have time” to write female characters so why should I have time to watch his movies. He’d rather believe that the failing is the movie business than to realize he hasn’t adapted to what people actually care about. Why is “cinema” overwhelmingly white and male? Even when it’s not it is usually poorly done and downright offensive. 

[tv echo]

Quote

Saturday, September 10, 10 a.m. PT | Hall D23
As previously announced, filmmakers, celebrity talent, and surprise guests from Marvel Studios will join Lucasfilm and others onstage in Hall D23 to showcase theatrical and Disney+ titles. Going behind the scenes of these studios’ highly anticipated films, specials, and series, attendees will see exclusive footage and be among the first to learn what’s in the works.

[BaggythePanther]

‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’s Shea Couleé Joins Marvel Studios’ ‘Ironheart’ Series

I’ve never seen RuPaul’s Drag Race and I know nothing about the Ironheart comics so I’m interested to see where the show is going to go.

[SeanC]

On 8/3/2022 at 2:48 AM, Makai said:

Scorsese doesn’t “have time” to write female characters so why should I have time to watch his movies. 

That is frankly absurd. Scorsese has directed ten different actresses to Oscar nominations, the second-most of any living director, including wins for Ellen Burstyn and Cate Blanchett.

He also, among other things, spearheads the World Cinema Project, which has spent decades rescuing and restoring neglected foreign cinema.

Edited August 5, 2022 by SeanC

[Morrigan2575]

There's a bunch in here not on the SDCC list. Are they legit?

[swanpride]

Frankly, the list is very packed as it is....

[Anduin]

Wonder Man? Really? I'm not the biggest reader, but I always got the feeling he was a bit of a second-stringer, or perhaps lower down. Yeah, I can see how a genuine superhero in Hollywood could be fun, but it still seems like something with a little more profile could get that slot.

[Hiyo]

Wonder Man has been around a lot longer and is probably more well known than people like Echo. Just saying.

[Jenniferbug]

@Morrigan2575 hard to say. I think most on that list not announced at SDCC have been confirmed but not formally announced (ie, Deadpool 3, a Shang-Chi sequel, the Wonder Man show). The "new" ones are Nova and a 4th Spider-Man but those have been speculated about so it's hard to say either way- could be someone trolling, could actually be true. And I didn't realize that the Okoye series was a separate entity from the Wakanda series. 

Isn't Wonder Man tied to Vision/white Vision in the comics?

[Kel Varnsen]

7 minutes ago, Jenniferbug said:

Isn't Wonder Man tied to Vision/white Vision in the comics?

When Vision was created Ultron used WM's brain for his. The when Vision became white WM refused to let him copy his brain again. I can't remember what happened to Vision after that.

Also WM was dating Wanda at some point too. A Wonderman show sounds interesting to me. More than a Nova show, since I am not sure how they will pull that off if Thanos wiped out Xandar.

[scarynikki12]

Until D23 announces I wouldn’t take that list as canon. It may turn out to be but they’re pretty good about keeping their announcements quiet until they choose to do them.

[Starfish35]

A Nova project is in development.  But I don’t know that it’s ever been confirmed whether it’s a film or a D+ series. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Quoted from somewhere else: "Tom Holland and Mark Ruffalo will not be part of Secret Wars. Because they cannot keep a secret."

🤣

[Guest]

9 hours ago, SeanC said:

That is frankly absurd. Scorsese has directed ten different actresses to Oscar nominations, the second-most of any living director, including wins for Ellen Burstyn and Cate Blanchett.

He also, among other things, spearheads the World Cinema Project, which has spent decades rescuing and restoring neglected foreign cinema.

Absurd or not he said it.* Also writing award winning roles is not my bar for good female representation particularly when it is exclusively in the supporting actress category. The Oscars would need to be much less sexist and racist for that to mean anything. The is disconnect between “cinema” and audiences.

*ETA- I made the mistake of not reading beyond the headline and he actually was referring to his age with that quote. I still think his movies are horrible when it comes to representation. 

3 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

Until D23 announces I wouldn’t take that list as canon. It may turn out to be but they’re pretty good about keeping their announcements quiet until they choose to do them.

 Most of the ones on the list have not been officially confirmed were reported in the trades which Marvel does use to unofficially confirm projects. Even Black Widow wasn’t officially confirmed until it was filming but was unofficially confirmed much earlier by the trades. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, Dani said:

Absurd or not he said it. Also writing award winning roles is not my bar for good female representation particularly when it is exclusively in the supporting actress category. The Oscars would need to be much less sexist and racist for that to mean anything. The is disconnect between “cinema” and audiences.

Except the Academy and their ilk have always been snobbish towards genre fare. I don't necessarily dispute your larger point, but both Paul Bettany and Elizabeth Olsen were nominated for their work in WandaVision, but the awards that should have been theirs (IMO) went home with Ewan McGregor and Kate Winslet respectively. The disconnect is also between science fiction/superhero films and shows not being "quality" where something like Mare of Easttown is.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Except the Academy and their ilk have always been snobbish towards genre fare. I don't necessarily dispute your larger point, but both Paul Bettany and Elizabeth Olsen were nominated for their work in WandaVision, but the awards that should have been theirs (IMO) went home with Ewan McGregor and Kate Winslet respectively. The disconnect is also between science fiction/superhero films and shows not being "quality" where something like Mare of Easttown is.

I agree but that’s not what am talking about. My only point is that actresses in Scorsese’s movies getting Oscar recognition is not an indicator of quality representation of women. Like how a movie like Green Book can win Best Picture and not be quality representation. 

Scorsese wants to blame Marvel style movies for the loss of “cinema” without considering that the problem might not be the intellectual capacity of the audience or the studios but that his movies don’t appeal to many people on an intellectual level because they aren’t actually written for them. He can’t say he can’t be bothered to write female leads and then act outraged the general audiences support something else. 

When you look at most of the industry people criticizing Marvel they tend to be on older side. While younger and extremely talented directors and actors are more likely to embrace studios like Marvel. 

[SeanC]

24 minutes ago, Dani said:

Scorsese wants to blame Marvel style movies for the loss of “cinema” without considering that the problem might not be the intellectual capacity of the audience or the studios but that his movies don’t appeal to many people on an intellectual level because they aren’t actually written for them.

Who said it was about his movies? He hasn't been arguing about his films specifically (which generally do well, enough for him to keep making the kinds of films he wants to make), he's arguing about the state of cinema for adults in general.

There's plenty of quality films being made by and/or about women and people of colour these days that aren't getting commercial attention. 

Edited August 5, 2022 by SeanC

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Who said it was about his movies? He hasn't been arguing about his films specifically (which generally do well, enough for him to keep making the kinds of films he wants to make), he's arguing about the state of cinema for adults in general.

I am using his movies as an example. I disagree with his point about the state of cinema for adults in general and his movies are a representative of why. They aren’t written for me. 

[Hiyo]

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They aren’t written for me. 

In what sense?

I'm someone who enjoys both genre movies and Scorsese movies. They both can co-exist, though I do think Scorsese is going after the wrong target if he thinks cinema is changing or whatever (ie, blame streaming services more than the MCU...except he seems to have embraced streaming services).

[Kel Varnsen]

8 hours ago, Hiyo said:

In what sense?

I'm someone who enjoys both genre movies and Scorsese movies. They both can co-exist, though I do think Scorsese is going after the wrong target if he thinks cinema is changing or whatever (ie, blame streaming services more than the MCU...except he seems to have embraced streaming services).

The funny thing about Scorsese complaining about Marvel movies is that his movies are almost as much of franchise movies as any super hero or Harry Potter or Fast and Furious movies are. Hollywood only really makes movies that are based on known commodities that have a built in audience. And Scorsese movies are absolutely that. They get greenlit and people go see them because he is the director and they kind of know what to expect. No unknown director is getting the kind of budget he got for The Irishman. So he totally benefits from the current system the same way people like Kevin Feige does.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Kel Varnsen

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Hiyo said:

In what sense?

In every sense. I’m not the target audience. They are not remotely representative of who I am, anyone that I know or what I want to see in movies. Some of them can entertain me but I generally don’t connect to them on an intellectual or emotional level. Just like Tarantino films aren’t written for me. 

10 hours ago, Hiyo said:

They both can co-exist, though I do think Scorsese is going after the wrong target if he thinks cinema is changing or whatever (ie, blame streaming services more than the MCU...except he seems to have embraced streaming services).

I completely agree with you on both points. I don’t actually care that his movies aren’t written for me. I don’t need them to be and have spent my entire life not being in the group catered to by the entertainment industry. I’m used to it and can find things to relate to in most movies but some I still can’t. I just don’t watch those movies and fortunately the number of movies where I am the target audience are growing.

I also understand why people enjoy his movies and think it is great that they do. Usually I wouldn’t comment on Scorsese at all. What I do have a problem with is that many can’t just accept that they don’t like something that other people do. I can’t tell you how many times I have encountered people online who want to convince me that what I like is wrong and that I just have shit taste. People who legitimately can’t fathom that people have different experiences and therefore enjoy different things. 

2 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The funny thing about Scorsese complaining about Marvel movies is that his movies are almost as much of franchise movies as any super hero or Harry Potter or Fast and Furious movies are. Hollywood only really makes movies that are based on known commodities that have a built in audience. And Scorsese movies are absolutely that. They get greenlit and people go see them because he is the director and they kind of know what to expect. No unknown director is getting the kind of budget he got for The Irishman. So he totally benefits from the current system the same way people like Kevin Feige does.

That’s a really good point. 

[Brn2bwild]

On 8/5/2022 at 7:34 AM, Anduin said:

Wonder Man? Really? I'm not the biggest reader, but I always got the feeling he was a bit of a second-stringer, or perhaps lower down. Yeah, I can see how a genuine superhero in Hollywood could be fun, but it still seems like something with a little more profile could get that slot.

I would hope they'd have a Scarlet Witch movie before a Wonder Man movie.

[Guest]

22 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I would hope they'd have a Scarlet Witch movie before a Wonder Man movie.

Wonder Man is supposed to be Disney+ show. 

[Anduin]

Rosario Dawson claims there's more Punisher coming. There's been three movies and a series, which is a lot more than most other superheroes can claim. Must we have more? Not for me, thanks.

[swanpride]

I was already satisfied with the first season, and even then I was pretty p... off because of the Pro NRA Propaganda Episode. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

On 8/6/2022 at 9:09 AM, Dani said:

I also understand why people enjoy his movies and think it is great that they do. Usually I wouldn’t comment on Scorsese at all. What I do have a problem with is that many can’t just accept that they don’t like something that other people do. I can’t tell you how many times I have encountered people online who want to convince me that what I like is wrong and that I just have shit taste. People who legitimately can’t fathom that people have different experiences and therefore enjoy different things.

I was going to write a whole long detailed post, but it's late and I'm tired. In sum, trash film legend John Waters once said that in order to understand bad taste, you must have very good taste. The only reason anyone listens when Scorsese says that Marvel movies are bad is because he directed Taxi Driver a million years ago, but he also only has one Oscar for the far lesser work The Departed. If anything, he's not as bad as the "fans" who have taken to criticizing the current phase, most of which isn't even finished yet. I have my own well-documented complaints about certain aspects of it myself, but I don't much begrudge anyone else getting enjoyment out of it.

[Tenshinhan]

3 hours ago, Anduin said:

Rosario Dawson claims there's more Punisher coming. There's been three movies and a series, which is a lot more than most other superheroes can claim. Must we have more?

The movies were shit, so I don't think that those are much to go by.  The series is arguably the most successful of the adaptations, so it makes sense that they might want to continue it.  Especially with Daredevil being revived as well.

[arc]

On 8/5/2022 at 6:50 AM, Morrigan2575 said:

There's a bunch in here not on the SDCC list. Are they legit?

The GOTG Holiday Special and Halloween Special weren't mentioned at SDCC 22 but we know they're coming. I think a lot of the rest have been either announced in some form or have pretty solid reporting that they're coming. (I was gonna say maybe not Nova, but apparently there's been news about that too.

The fourth Spider-Man with Tom Holland is definitely up in the air as I don't think there's been anything solid yet. My personal speculation is that Sony will want to do it but they might want to see if their "SPUMC" (or "SSU") can lower Holland's leverage. Anyways, that one's the least confirmed of anything on this.

I know there's some untitled Wakanda D+ series and there's news about an Okoye series. I vaguely remember reading the two were not the same show, but I can't find any news story saying that right now.

Also, Spider-Man: Freshman Year will be outside MCU 616 continuity as it will be set in an alternate universe. X-Men '97 will continue the continuity of the 1990s cartoon and thus also be outside MCU 616 continuity. (Also true of What If and Marvel Zombies.)

On 8/5/2022 at 7:34 AM, Anduin said:

Wonder Man? Really? I'm not the biggest reader, but I always got the feeling he was a bit of a second-stringer, or perhaps lower down. Yeah, I can see how a genuine superhero in Hollywood could be fun, but it still seems like something with a little more profile could get that slot.

He's a third stringer, but then again, so were GOTG before they got MCU movies. I couldn't have told you a single thing about GOTG before the movies and I'm a medium level MU fan.

I hope they go super meta with Wonder Man.

[tv echo]

Here's the video clip of Rosario Dawson at Chicago Comic and Entertainment Expo (C2E2) yesterday, talking about The Punisher...

However, she clarified on twitter today that she was going by "news" told to her by a fan and not an official source:

Also, Giancarlo Esposito revealed at the Superhero Car Show & Comic Con on Friday that he has met with Marvel about a potential role in the MCU...

Also, here's video of Hayley Atwell's solo panel at the Superhero Car Show & Comic Con in San Antonio, TX, yesterday...
Hayley Atwell Complete Panel of San Antonio Comic Con 7th August, 2022
M C    Aug 7, 2022

Edited August 8, 2022 by tv echo

[cambridgeguy]

Esposito said he wants to play Professor X.  If it happens then one group can express outrage that they've cast a POC while another group can express outrage that they've cast a non-paraplegic. 

[Kel Varnsen]

33 minutes ago, cambridgeguy said:

Esposito said he wants to play Professor X.  If it happens then one group can express outrage that they've cast a POC while another group can express outrage that they've cast a non-paraplegic. 

I feel like they could do something really neat with him as Charles Xavier. Usually the story is mutant prejudice as a metaphor for actual racism and Xavier is the rich white guy who thinks humans can be better. So it would be super interesting if instead Xavier was a guy who experienced anti-mutant prejudice and actual racism and still thinks that people can be better.

[Tenshinhan]

Hopefully they lay off of the whole anti-mutant prejudice thing for a while.  Maybe just focus on Xavier in outer space or something and forget all the shit back on Earth.

[SeanC]

2 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Hopefully they lay off of the whole anti-mutant prejudice thing for a while. 

That's the central theme of the entire franchise.