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Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

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ScorpioSoul

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This truly makes me sick. With Chelsea, I was a little disappointed( just because I truly thought she wanted to wait until after they were married and to have a little bit of married time), but they are a stable couple. They were getting married anyway. Chelsea is a great mom. Cole seems like a good dude who is a great step-dad to Aubree. I thought at least with them we don't have to worry about the baby's welfare like Addy or Kaiser. Then this news comes out.  Jenelle is awful. None of her kids deserve to have her as a mother. The fact that Jenelle can't see the difference between her and Chelsea truly shows how sick she is in the head.

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4 minutes ago, ScorpioSoul said:

They don't deserve her biologically speaking either.

Heh, I remember when they did the paternity test to finally confirm that Andrew was Jace's father, and Barbara was disappointed that he was because Andrew's such a trainwreck and Jace was going to be screwed having that as part of his DNA. And I'm just like, ummmm...

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49 minutes ago, Chicken Wing said:

Heh, I remember when they did the paternity test to finally confirm that Andrew was Jace's father, and Barbara was disappointed that he was because Andrew's such a trainwreck and Jace was going to be screwed having that as part of his DNA. And I'm just like, ummmm...

Do we ever hear anything at all about Andrew's family keeping in touch w Jace?  No aunts? Grandparents even?  I can't imagine the entire family is ok having no contact at all w Jace. But stranger, more hurtful things have happened.

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Don't change the title until her next spawn is actually born.

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

With the exception of Farrah (who lives in a world of delusions), Jenelle is the only mother in the franchise who would abort a child based on gender.  While I support a woman's right to abortion, this is just sick.  I don't think I can continue to watch the series and give it ratings/hits on MTV if she aborts based on gender.

Dave doesn't want a baby. Life is exactly how he wants it. He spends weekends on the boat. Weekdays "managing" Jenelle's career.  No more long days at underpaid work for this guy.  Jenelle will immediately become a shrill harpy the minute he wants to go fishing and she's stuck at home with an infant.

 

A woman is under no obligation to give ANY reason at all for choosing to terminate her pregnancy. None. I have worked in a clinic and although some may offer their reasons, it's certainly not a requirement.

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GreatKazu

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4 hours ago, Tatum said:

The only way Jenelle is getting an abortion is if she and Dave break up before the baby comes, regardless of the sex of the baby. She didn't abort Courtland's baby because it was the responsible thing to do, she did it because she didn't want him anymore and having his baby would not net her anything. I don't think Jenelle cares if she has a boy or a girl because it's not like she's going to be the one raising him or her. A baby is a source of control to her over someone, and as long as she wants the control, she'll want the baby/child. Once she gets completely over Nathan, she'll have no use for Kaiser. When she goes through a calm period with Barb, and feels no need to threaten or punish her, she doesn't have any use for Jace.

Exactly. If Courtland had remained in the relationship, the baby would have remained as well. Although Jenelle said her reason was due to it not being fair to Jace for her to bring another child into the situation, especially since she hadn't received custody of him yet. Yet, here we are 7 years later and she has no care to get Jace which is actually a good thing because he is better off with the parent who has raised him. Jenelle just wants to rip Jace out of Barbara's arms the way she claimed Barb did to her. Yeah, ok Jenelle. We have memories. We remember the scenes very well of how you voluntarily gave up Jace so you could go on your merry way to party, having sex, and doing drugs.

 

A part of me does believe she wants a girl because she made such drama over her sister having announced her pregnancy and was having a baby girl. I also believe this pregnancy was a trap baby, but with Dave doing the trapping. Dave has to secure Jenelle to his side and by impregnating her, he has at least assured himself his portion of the MTV money train bank is set. Dave is a controlling bastard. He found a way to ensure she is not going anywhere without him. For Dave, this is also the baby that will replace the one that was "taken" from him.  These guys who have anger and control issues will try with all their might to tell their partner how much they love them, no one understands them, Dave pretty much just fed Jenelle what she wanted to hear and suckered her into his demonic cage. I feel bad for her because she seems to be in danger with this guy and she doesn't know it. Yet.

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It's sad that I'm hoping CPS gets involved early on because while the best outcome for Janelle and Dave's baby would be for both Janelle and Dave to have effective therapy that turns them into healthy, functional people, it seems like the most feasible best outcome would be for Janelle and Dave to lose their parenting rights early enough for their baby to be adopted into a healthy, functional home. I've honestly been shocked that CPS hasn't been involved with Janelle, Dave, and Kaiser yet because I thought some of the stuff shown was at the level of neglect that gets CPS involved.

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I've honestly been shocked that CPS hasn't been involved with Janelle, Dave, and Kaiser yet because I thought some of the stuff shown was at the level of neglect that gets CPS involved.

While I think the way Jenelle treated Kaiser showed a serious lack of parental warmth and attachment to the point that it disturbed me, I'm not sure that is enough for CPS to have a legitimate reason to investigate Dave and her. Sadly, it seems to take an awful lot for CPS to get serious about monitoring a situation or taking the children away. So far as anyone knows, Kaiser is being fed, he isn't being locked up all day, everyday in his room or a cage, no signs of severe beatings or sexual abuse, and there is no evidence of serious neglect or him being exposed to violence or drugs. Frankly, it seems parents can get away with a lot before the authorities can get involved legally. I really wish  there was a reason to have Jenelle and Uncle Bad Touch put under a spotlight or to have poor Kaiser and the new baby removed from their care, but I'm afraid that won't happen anytime soon. Sad state of affairs for the children involved. I'm seriously glad Jace always has Barb to go back to, at least he is spared the full brunt of that shitshow.

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GreatKazu

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2 hours ago, Zuleikha said:

It's sad that I'm hoping CPS gets involved early on because while the best outcome for Janelle and Dave's baby would be for both Janelle and Dave to have effective therapy that turns them into healthy, functional people, it seems like the most feasible best outcome would be for Janelle and Dave to lose their parenting rights early enough for their baby to be adopted into a healthy, functional home. I've honestly been shocked that CPS hasn't been involved with Janelle, Dave, and Kaiser yet because I thought some of the stuff shown was at the level of neglect that gets CPS involved.

CPS is not involved at all with Leah Messer and there was more there to worry about with her driving while sleepy (high), not getting the girls to school on time to the point that a judge had to intervene, and then there is Addie walking away from home and being returned by the police. Jenelle, for all her fuck ups, she is not abusive or neglectful. Well, not to the point that would warrant a visit by CPS. I have personally called CPS on at least two different families for various reasons. Although CPS deemed both situations unsatisfactory, there was no proof of endangerment or abuse. Not to mention CPS has their hands tied with so many cases and few case workers. They have to determine which cases are worthy versus which are not.

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Random thing that came to me as I pondered more on Jenelle's house of horrors: I really, truly, hope against hope that Jenelle never, ever has a child with any mental or physical disabilities. And not just because I'm a fairly decent human being that hates to see children suffer, but because I shutter to think about how that child would be treated by Jenelle and her slew of every changing fuck buddies. I can't even being to image how she'd have handled something like Ali's condition or a child with Autism or down syndrome. The only mercy she might do is abandon that child to a semi-caring relative or to an adoptive family, because any child that has to rely on her past the age of 3 is shit out of luck, imo. And knowing her, she would keep the kid to prove a point and to get praise from her illiterate hick fans. Sorry to be a downer, I feel like I need to go find a wine cooler or ten.

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17 hours ago, HeySandyStrange said:

While I think the way Jenelle treated Kaiser showed a serious lack of parental warmth and attachment to the point that it disturbed me, I'm not sure that is enough for CPS to have a legitimate reason to investigate Dave and her. Sadly, it seems to take an awful lot for CPS to get serious about monitoring a situation or taking the children away. So far as anyone knows, Kaiser is being fed, he isn't being locked up all day, everyday in his room or a cage, no signs of severe beatings or sexual abuse, and there is no evidence of serious neglect or him being exposed to violence or drugs. Frankly, it seems parents can get away with a lot before the authorities can get involved legally. I really wish  there was a reason to have Jenelle and Uncle Bad Touch put under a spotlight or to have poor Kaiser and the new baby removed from their care, but I'm afraid that won't happen anytime soon. Sad state of affairs for the children involved. I'm seriously glad Jace always has Barb to go back to, at least he is spared the full brunt of that shitshow.

I believe when Kaiser Roll gets older and can talk back / fight back , things will get much more violent in the jenelle/uncle creepy household. Jace seems to know already to keep quiet and don't make eye contact ,he does only visit part time but as he gets older and hits those teens / it's gonna get crazy up in the Evans household in the next few years . Although , uncle creepy could be long replaced by another f^cked up loser by then. All low quality men.  I cannot fathom another poor innocent child is being brought into this house of horror 

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20 hours ago, Zuleikha said:

It's sad that I'm hoping CPS gets involved early on because while the best outcome for Janelle and Dave's baby would be for both Janelle and Dave to have effective therapy that turns them into healthy, functional people, it seems like the most feasible best outcome would be for Janelle and Dave to lose their parenting rights early enough for their baby to be adopted into a healthy, functional home. I've honestly been shocked that CPS hasn't been involved with Janelle, Dave, and Kaiser yet because I thought some of the stuff shown was at the level of neglect that gets CPS involved.

Unfortunately cps takes years to terminate rights. But this one is a healthy baby (I hope she doesn't use) healthy babies are very wanted. Jenelle should place this one for adoption then never get pregnant again. 

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With a lot of CPS cases, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I believe they do have to follow up on every case, no matter how trivial it is. If 1 person reports Jenelle, they may call it poor parenting but not worth investigating further. If 10+ people (viewers) call in, they have to go back and do welfare checks at her house. (This is how it works in Canada, I imagine it's similar in the US).

HeySandyStrange

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59 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They want more than calls from viewers who have never met the person being accused. IN general, those types of calls will get little to no response.

Basically. Unfortunately, being a cold, emotionally unavailable parent isn't grounds form CPS to do more then interview you, even if the complaint is coming from a close relative or neighbor. Which is all we the viewers have seen Jenelle being at the present. Doesn't mean that one day CPS won't get involved with her, but I'm betting it will be when her kids are older and harder to control and she and/or her newest loser neglects or abuses them. And of course, it is highly doubtful us viewers will ever see any true signs of abuse. No way Jenelle or MTV would let that happen. And yes, sadly I can fully believe the people behind the scenes would cover up real child abuse to keep the gravy train rolling and there reps in place.

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Viewers called in when Amber assaulted Gary in the presence of Leah which resulted in her being charged with child endangerment and that led to CPS involved. Here in California you can call CPS anonymously and give a generalized statement as to what your concerns are such as a child is in a home where domestic violence occurs. Here, they must go out and investigate regardless of how little information is given. One can call up and say a child lives in an unkempt home and they may be in danger due to the unhealthy conditions.

1 hour ago, iheartla said:

With a lot of CPS cases, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I believe they do have to follow up on every case, no matter how trivial it is. If 1 person reports Jenelle, they may call it poor parenting but not worth investigating further. If 10+ people (viewers) call in, they have to go back and do welfare checks at her house. (This is how it works in Canada, I imagine it's similar in the US).

In our city/county that is how it works. It is time-consuming and all, but the feeling is that it is better to check out a case and find out it is not abusive or neglectful than to ignore it.

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23 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

Basically. Unfortunately, being a cold, emotionally unavailable parent isn't grounds form CPS to do more then interview you, even if the complaint is coming from a close relative or neighbor.

Very true. It is just like the belief that the courts will take children away from those kind of parents, but the realities are it won't happen because judges don't consider dysfunctional parenting grounds for removal. Although what Jenelle does is affecting her children and to most people what she is doing to her kids is mentally and emotionally abusive, the law doesn't recognize that for the most part. 

Leah Messer is one example of dysfunctional parenting along with child neglect, but she still retained some sort of custody.

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CofCinci

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Looks like Jenelle has purchased some land, which Dave is clearing (and by clearing, we know he rented some contrustion toys with Jenelle's credit card and any "work" he does will just have to be redone by professionals) for their new home. 

http://starcasm.net/archives/354433

"I'm building a house, so I decided to fight for custody of Jace right now."

Now Dave has a 'valid' reason to remain out of the workforce. 

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GreatKazu

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42 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Looks like Jenelle has purchased some land, which Dave is clearing (and by clearing, we know he rented some contrustion toys with Jenelle's credit card and any "work" he does will just have to be redone by professionals) for their new home. 

http://starcasm.net/archives/354433

"I'm building a house, so I decided to fight for custody of Jace right now."

Now Dave has a 'valid' reason to remain out of the workforce. 

Change the names and it reads like Amber Portwood's fucked up life with Matt. Same story, different people.

Nice land. Dave will bury Jenelle's body there.

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So far as anyone knows, Kaiser is being fed, he isn't being locked up all day, everyday in his room or a cage, no signs of severe beatings or sexual abuse, and there is no evidence of serious neglect or him being exposed to violence or drugs. 

I think that when Jenelle gives birth to this latest baby, Kaiser is going to be shit out of luck.  I wish I could believe someone will toilet train him before the birth, but I doubt it.  Poor Kai will be lucky not to enter kindergarten still in diapers, Jenelle will never have time for that.

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