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Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

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Everyone knows Ensley does not have Down syndrome. Posts suggesting that she does will be removed and warnings issued. Posts such as these leave the impression that an arguably unflattering picture could somehow be construed as a child being disabled is considered ableist and is against the rules of the board.

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ghoulina

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3 hours ago, toodywoody said:

Why even say that to your son about his grandmother at the age of 7? Keep that shit to yourself. She is trying everything in her power to turn Jace against Barb.

Yup. She didn't take Jace outside in that moment because the kid was embarrassed and needed to get away for a minute. She did it so she could get him away from Meme and remind him of how awful Meme is, and always has been. She's so vile. 

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2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

That pissed me off!!! So glad Drew defended people in general being able to parent even though they have medical issues. One of the many reasons I hate those two. I am sure Barb is just informing Jenelle of her health issues as any parent would, but Jenelle is so fucking evil, she uses it against her mother. Jenelle wants Barb to not refer to her past drug use, but Jenelle has no problem throwing her mother's health issues in her face.

Never mind the fact that if we go by Jenelle's account, SHE seems to have worse health than Barb. What about her mystery illness where she was having hot flashes, joint pain, night sweats, anxiety (I thought she didn't HAVE anxiety, UBT???), shaky hands, and seeing orbs...or whatever the fuck? That sounds a lot more serious than Barb having osteoporosis. 

 

15 minutes ago, druzy said:

 

https://twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/847146138545283072

This is so funny- it's about David. I don't know how to insert it into post so you don't have to click on it.

 

Holy shit, why did I start blaring that right when my kids were nearby???? (I think I need correction from an Uber driver.) Sooooo funny!

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I really wish Nathan had not brought up the "p-bug" thing. I believe he endangered Kaiser and Jenelle by doing so. Dude, Kai looks just like you. Don't give David any more ammo.

BTW, how I heard him tell the story was David was looking through Jenelle's phone (believable), saw an old nude pic of Nathan (believable), and apologized to Jenelle that he couldn't measure up (not so believable that David could be "humbled").

Also, I find it beyond frustrating that Dr. Drew believes Jenelle is "better" and "stable." Say huh now? Interesting since he was put in the hot seat after saying about Angelina Jolie's heroin addiction that it's a lifelong chronic condition. Why is that belief not factoring into his assessment of Jenelle?

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On March 28, 2017 at 4:26 PM, CofCinci said:

It's a modular so it most likely wouldn't have more than 4 bedrooms.  I'm curious as to how the bedrooms are assigned.  I'm sure they have one bedroom as an office (again, modulars are limited on space so I doubt there is an office), one is for the baby, one for those two fucks to make more babies, and then all the random kids piled into another room?  Bunk beds?

Why would these two unemployed nothings need an office?

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CofCinci

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35 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Why would these two unemployed nothings need an office?

For the Brand. She receives very important business emails from a gentleman in the UK. It's hard to decide if you want to endorse a sticker gel push up bra if you don't have designated space within the homestead for this very important decision making. 

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TheRealT

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7 hours ago, nikita said:

I really wish Nathan had not brought up the "p-bug" thing. I believe he endangered Kaiser and Jenelle by doing so. Dude, Kai looks just like you. Don't give David any more ammo.

Sadly, that's a good point. With that said (and bringing up a point I meant to make earlier about Barb), it's challenging dealing with someone who is so fucked up that you ALWAYS have to be the better person/rise above the bullshit/etc. and I have some sympathy for people in that situation opting to take the low road/give the asshole a small taste of what s/he has been dishing out for however long. I think Nathan is super, super fucked up, but I feel like there's some there there in terms of him actually giving a fuck about Kaiser (unlike Jenelle/UBT). When Nathan does stuff like reach out to Jenelle to discuss discipline with Kaiser, I can believe that he's actually concerned and would like to coordinate with her to do better for their son. I can also believe that all/most of that goes out the window shortly thereafter when he's getting drunk or engaging in other unhealthy behaviors, but I believe that, at his core, Nathan cares about Kaiser and wants to do right by him. I don't believe that Jenelle really gives a fuck.

So, as fucked up as he is, I can understand Nathan getting frustrated with what he perceives as her presenting a false image and fooling people and wanting to fuck with her with stuff like the p-bug story (whether it's true or not). Similarly, I can understand Barb doing stuff like making the comment about Jenelle getting her tubes tied on camera (and many other unnecessary comments she's made to wind Jenelle up). Technically, they are "wrong," being "unnecessary," contributing to the contentiousness of the situation, etc., etc., etc., but people like Jenelle are a huge pain in the ass and it's human to want to give them a little of their own back. And Nathan and Barb clearly have a boatload of their own issues, so it's not like they're dealing with Jenelle from a position of being happy and healthy themselves (not that Jenelle gives a fuck).

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6 hours ago, TheRealT said:

Sadly, that's a good point. With that said (and bringing up a point I meant to make earlier about Barb), it's challenging dealing with someone who is so fucked up that you ALWAYS have to be the better person/rise above the bullshit/etc. and I have some sympathy for people in that situation opting to take the low road/give the asshole a small taste of what s/he has been dishing out for however long. I think Nathan is super, super fucked up, but I feel like there's some there there in terms of him actually giving a fuck about Kaiser (unlike Jenelle/UBT).

You make excellent points! And I didn't even think Barb was being snarky when she asked about tubes getting tied. I think she thought it's a good idea. Too bad she hasn't realized she needs to say, "Jenelle, I *forbid* you from getting your tubes tied!" Jenelle'll have it done the next day.

I feel like the p-bug story is too oddly specific to be made up...

Hey, have y'all noticed David's always driving when he and Jenelle are in the car? When in previous relationships, she always drove her car when in it with Nathan et al. If memory serves.

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Miss Chevious

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59 minutes ago, nikita said:

Hey, have y'all noticed David's always driving when he and Jenelle are in the car? When in previous relationships, she always drove her car when in it with Nathan et al. If memory serves.

If memory serves, Nips' driving license was suspended (too many DUI's?) so he wasn't supposed to be driving for a large part of their relationship. So there's that.

But in some of the scenes we saw from that time period there was another vehicle in her driveway. So it's very possible he took off in his truck when the cameras weren't rolling.

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GreatKazu

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I really wish Nathan had not brought up the "p-bug" thing. I believe he endangered Kaiser and Jenelle by doing so.  @nikita

Jenelle herself brought it up, not Nathan.

Nathan is not responsible for what happens behind closed doors, particularly Jenelle's. No one is. He knows she is a volatile person, but he doesn't know if that is the case with UBT. Even if he did have an inkling of what is going on at her home, I think it is putting the blame on Nathan when the blame should be placed where it belongs - on the abuser.  Jenelle was doing that very thing when she took all the blame from UBT when she was defending him from Barb's accusations at the reunion. As I pointed out then, it is a classic DV victim stance.

UBT is responsible for his criminal actions, no one else.  Abusers are responsible for their actions and behavior. Abusers always put the blame on others for their actions.

Given between Jenelle and Nipples, I believe his story, a story that was brought up by Jenelle herself.  She said it in response to Nathan having said his ex-girlfriend was his true love. Drew was asking Nathan a question when Jenelle began laughing. Drew then asked her what was funny. She then mentioned the texts and the p-bug photo. 

These reunions have never been about a doctor trying to help these girls with their issues.  It is all about entertainment. It falls into Jerry Springer territory. Jenelle's own behavior has always been outlandish at these reunion shows. She has had no problem digging up stories to throw in her partner and ex-partner's face. She took to Twitter and mentioned how Nipples engaged in some sex act when he was a young boy with another boy. It might have been boys exploring with each other's bodies, but Jenelle threw that out there as if to imply Nipples was engaging in something questionable and possibly criminal. That was her reaction and response to the time when Nathan was upset at UBT for putting Kaiser's photo on Instagram which was then removed due to it bordering on child porn.  Jenelle herself has mentioned Nathan has mental problems and had no problem sharing his texts on camera while discussing it in length. Nathan had a right to discuss the photo in in length IN RESPONSE TO HER BRINGING IT UP.  If UBT was upset about that moment, that's on him. If he took it further and put his hands on Jenelle, that is HIS doing. If some guy at the store looks at Jenelle's massive tits peeking out of her blouse, UBT may become upset and hurt Jenelle. That is not the guy's fault and it is not Jenelle's fault. It is UBT's fault. Abusers will always seek a way to defend their actions.

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In my experience with kids, they know when they need to mind their Ps&Qs and when it's ok to let loose and have a melt down (this is in general).

They can keep it together during school, or during a visit with someone, and when they get home to their safe person, they let it all out. This could be meltdowns over seemingly small things, disrespectful and snippy comments, stubborn behavior, etc.

It is the unusual or not neurotypical child who can't hold it together until they are with their safe person. Moms comment on this behavior all the time "the teacher says he's an angel at school! When he gets home, it's different."

Barb is Jace's safe person. He lets it all hang out with her because he knows that she will love him and not send him away no matter how he acts. Not so much with Jailnelle, it seems. 

I suspect he tells her he wants to live with her because he knows this is how to get attention and affection from her. I'm sure he craves it. No matter how terrible a parent is, their approval is always important - child or adult. That's why people remain in toxic relationships with or are always willing to give another chance to their abusive, addict parents (cf Butch and Tyler, Cait and her mom, Kail and Suzie).

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On 3/29/2017 at 0:11 PM, TheRealT said:

I forgot to mention my favorite Jenelle revelation from the reunion: she is actually this calm, easy-going person who never gets upset except when Nathan and Barb bother her.

THIS.  Coming to post this.  She mentioned at least twice (and once was in conjunction with UBT) that she's easy going.  Laid back.  No Jenelle.  Lazy is not laid back.  

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CofCinci

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3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

If I never hear the word "p-bug" again it will be too soon. 

This is what a grown man calls his penis???

It sounds like he has a small penis. Lay off the steroids!

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Does Jenelle have to pay Barbara child support? Could that be why she keeps harping on Barbara wanting money and also why she really wants Jace to come home to her? So that she doesn't have to pay anymore?

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Gary actually pushed it a lot and she pretended with him a ton and fought with Barb about it, and they'd have on camera convos about "what it would take to get Jace back."

Why don't I remember this guy? I know that there were other guys she dated, but I don't recall ever seeing Gary on the show. I only remember Keifer, the one she had the abortion for (was he even on the show?), Nathan and David.

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GreatKazu

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16 hours ago, MitaJo said:

Does Jenelle have to pay Barbara child support? Could that be why she keeps harping on Barbara wanting money and also why she really wants Jace to come home to her? So that she doesn't have to pay anymore?

Why don't I remember this guy? I know that there were other guys she dated, but I don't recall ever seeing Gary on the show. I only remember Keifer, the one she had the abortion for (was he even on the show?), Nathan and David.

Jenelle got an abortion when she conceived with Courtland, her husband. Yes, Courtland was on the show.

Jenelle supposedly pays child support through her MTV checks. But, I haven't heard her mention child support in any of her rants to Barb or about Barb. She has mentioned money, but it sounds like she is referring to MTV pay. I would think she would at least reference it.

Another thing Nathan said about UBT was how he refers to Nathan using gay slurs. We have already watched UBT in action as he demeans Jace and comes close to using such slurs with him. He uses "sissy" and other words to describe Jace's behavior. I fucking hate that guy. I swear, I wish someone or something would just obliterate him.

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3 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Jenelle got an abortion when she conceived with Courtland, her husband. Yes, Courtland was on the show.

Jenelle supposedly pays child support through her MTV checks. But, I haven't heard her mention child support in any of her rants to Barb or about Barb. She has mentioned money, but it sounds like she is referring to MTV pay. I would think she would at least reference it.

Another thing Nathan said about UBT was how he refers to Nathan using gay slurs. We have already watched UBT in action as he demeans Jace and comes close to using such slurs with him. He uses "sissy" and other words to describe Jace's behavior. I fucking hate that guy. I swear, I wish someone or something would just obliterate him.

Has anyone asked her on twitter why she allows it? I might, I'm interested.

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On 3/31/2017 at 0:30 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

Has anyone asked her on twitter why she allows it? I might, I'm interested.

I am sure if the question was asked, Jenelle deleted it or ignored it.

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On 3/31/2017 at 3:30 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

Has anyone asked her on twitter why she allows it? I might, I'm interested.

I'm guessing, from what we know about Jenelle from the show, that she sees nothing wrong with it, and may even find it funny.  

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ghoulina

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Yea, I don't think Jenelle thinks there's anything wrong with the way UBT talks to people. I do think she's aware that OTHERS have an issue with it. Which is why she shushed him on one of the later episodes. But I'm sure when cameras aren't around it's even worse, and she likely if just fine with it, possibly even joins in herself. 

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CofCinci

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6 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

About a year ago she was talking about how wonderful he was or some shit like that. She has painted him as some great guy. Anyone remember this also?

Yes, I remember. She waxed nostalgic about her father (played in a band with Chevy Chase, Sure Jan) and blamed the divorce (and subsequent non-relationship) solely on Babs.  It was just another way to try to hurt her mother.

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Jenelle's dad claimed Barb abused him. Sure, you fucking lying piece of shit:

 

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Roberts admits to having little to no contact with his kids over the years, but he maintains that he was forced to leave due to abuse from Evans' mother, Barbara Evans.

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2017/03/jenelle-evans-opens-up-about-painful-childhood-in-new-memoir/

Jenelle once claimed her dad removed himself out of his kids' lives due to Mike, something Jenelle's bio dad denies:

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/02/jenelle-evans-father-comes-forward-i-havent-seen-my-daughter-in/

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Well ya know, Juhnelle....

Seriously? Yes, when I lose my pants I'm always on a boat screaming 'I love you' every two seconds.  And have a guy grab me by the arm and the leg to pull me back into the boat.  Some things just don't need to be shared.  (And really, I'm half-assed impressed UncleID pulled her back in the boat, to begin with.)

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MissMel

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I'm slightly impressed she didn't have any of the kids with her.  I mean, fishing Tori out of the water is a teeny bit better than fishing Kaiser out, right?  

(I'm totally in an asshole mood today.  I hope my sarcasm is coming off well.)

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Yeah, it's probably a good thing that the kids were not on that boat--Jenelle looks like she's under the influence on something, too. David may be, but I can't tell with his "unibomber" outfit.

And Jenelle, you don't have to delete all sm if you don't post stupid shit-- and if you do delete it, just do it without a middle-schoolgirl announcement.

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Tori was the most obviously intoxicated one. But Jenelle didn't look too sober herself. She had very heavy eyelids and just looked dazed and out of it. 

Jenelle acts so shocked and offended that people would comment, as if - "What? We can't hang out with our friends and have a good time?" 

Well, for one - you do that more than you do anything else. Didn't you take a vacation/trip without your kids when Ensley was roughly one week old? 

Two, you're a former addict, so I'm not sure how wise it is for you to be dabbling with any type of addictive substance. 

Lastly, as a mother of young kids myself, I would feel insanely uncomfortable if both my husband and I got drunk. In fact, I haven't had a drink since I got pregnant with my oldest. Sometimes my husband drinks, and has been to the point where driving would not be okay. I would not be okay with BOTH of us being in that situation. Even if the kids were with a reliable sitter (family). What if something happened and they needed me? What if I had to get to hospital and was stumbling in there drunk? I don't know. I may be a bit prudish about it, but I think the idea of both parents (although, let's be clear, UBT and Jenelle are only shared parents of ONE kid) going out on the lake and partying is not wise. At all. 

 

For those who are like, "It's good they don't have the kids with them", I agree. But then I wondered if the kids were all just sitting around a campfire alone back on shore. With these people, you never know. 

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I love how she acts like this is somehow "blowing off steam." Bitch, your whole life is 'blowing off steam.' Your whole fucking life is a weekend, and if you're tired of being judged, get the fuck out of the public eye. 

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So this is the third time in 2 months that she has dumped off the baby. Hope she isnt breast feeding and passing whatever it is onto the baby.  

And I love how her dad is refuting her claims about not seeinf the kids because of Mike and never having met him. Just goes to show that there is a ton she makes up.

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TheRealT

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2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Tori was the most obviously intoxicated one. But Jenelle didn't look too sober herself. She had very heavy eyelids and just looked dazed and out of it. 

Jenelle acts so shocked and offended that people would comment, as if - "What? We can't hang out with our friends and have a good time?" 

Well, for one - you do that more than you do anything else. Didn't you take a vacation/trip without your kids when Ensley was roughly one week old? 

Two, you're a former addict, so I'm not sure how wise it is for you to be dabbling with any type of addictive substance. 

Lastly, as a mother of young kids myself, I would feel insanely uncomfortable if both my husband and I got drunk. In fact, I haven't had a drink since I got pregnant with my oldest. Sometimes my husband drinks, and has been to the point where driving would not be okay. I would not be okay with BOTH of us being in that situation. Even if the kids were with a reliable sitter (family). What if something happened and they needed me? What if I had to get to hospital and was stumbling in there drunk? I don't know. I may be a bit prudish about it, but I think the idea of both parents (although, let's be clear, UBT and Jenelle are only shared parents of ONE kid) going out on the lake and partying is not wise. At all. 

 

For those who are like, "It's good they don't have the kids with them", I agree. But then I wondered if the kids were all just sitting around a campfire alone back on shore. With these people, you never know. 

In all fairness, you probably (rightly) believe that you and your husband are the best caregivers for your children. Realistically, Jenelle and UBT's children are probably far better off in other people's care. Can you imagine them in the emergency room with a sick or injured child? Jenelle would be shrieking and crying hysterically and making the situation all about her. UBT would be yelling at hospital personnel, demanding whatever and screaming at Jace and/or Kaiser to STFU if they got dragged along (though I guess maybe they'd just leave them at home alone).

I'm all for parents taking breaks and having time for themselves, but Ensley is 8-9 weeks old and both her parents have spent at least a week away from her altogether and are now engaging in drunken day partying. IMO, if you want/need that much adult time, you shouldn't have kids, or should at least refrain from having a baby when you already have 4 (or more) kids, most of whom (conveniently) don't live with you.

What's really mind-blowing (though it shouldn't be) is that Jenelle (and presumably UBT as well) TRULY don't get why this behavior is controversial. Imagine for a moment that you are in the midst of a court case seeking full custody of your child (whom you have never parented) and you think nothing of 1) going on a drunken boat excursion with your friend from your days as a junkie and 2) posting video of it on social media. No, really. Just take a moment to contemplate that course of actions making sense to you. Now imagine being shocked! and offended! when people criticize your choices. They seem to honestly believe that they are doing great and to be mystified when they get any response that indicates otherwise. But... they just bought a house to put on their land! Jenelle has a certificate (though she failed the licensing exam)! Neither of them has been arrested in months! What more do you want?!

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5 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

I love how she acts like this is somehow "blowing off steam." Bitch, your whole life is 'blowing off steam.' Your whole fucking life is a weekend, and if you're tired of being judged, get the fuck out of the public eye. 

What is going on in her life that blowing off steam is deemed necessary? The custody case? Having to call Dominoes for the 7th time in a week to deliver pizza? Running out of weed? Looking at her bank account and seeing that her six figure check has dwindled to four figures?

Man, I must find me some time to blow off steam. I have so much more going on in my neck of the woods that I haven't had time to blow my nose.

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56 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

What is going on in her life that blowing off steam is deemed necessary? The custody case? Having to call Dominoes for the 7th time in a week to deliver pizza? Running out of weed? Looking at her bank account and seeing that her six figure check has dwindled to four figures?

Man, I must find me some time to blow off steam. I have so much more going on in my neck of the woods that I haven't had time to blow my nose.

I bet dominoes doesn't deliver out in the boonies. It seems like David is always carrying it in anyway! Maybe he's worried that the pizza delivery guy would be cute and Jenelle would answer the door... ???

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