Bethenny & Jason: The Divorce Showdown

[Wendy]

17 hours ago, BBHN said:

He still needs the laundry money, don't forget that.

Yeah, Jason's actions have shown him really wanting to be out of the spotlight...

Obviously, Kyle's ex is nowhere near as much of douchebag asshole that Jason is. (Wait, who is this Kyle? Is she a new RHONY HW I missed?)

He looks like a guy who was crazy over the fact that his personal ATM cut him off, more than anything.

Yeah, Bethenny seems to be doing as much as she can to keep Brynn's picture out of public as much as possible. Hell if it wasn't for the paps I wouldn't know what Brynn looks like.

She doesn't need to try hard to make him look dangerous...or at least, a little deranged. He's doing that on his own just fine.

I have a feeling he'd STFU if Bethenny cuts him that 10M check he isn't entitled to.

 

I am willing to bet that he is regretting by now not having taken that settlement. Ten million for two years of marriage is a pretty good pay day but he thought he deserved more.

I also bet his lawyer told him to accept, just as much as he told him to not ever contact her directly after the C&D letter but he did it anyway.

Jason is an unhinged person and Bethenny has all the right to feel threatened, this POS insists of having his hands on the life insurance policy (something that he could easily have asked his lawyer to request) after telling her "I will destroy you", I would be thinking about one of the episodes of Snapped. 

[KungFuBunny]

16 minutes ago, Wendy said:

 

I am willing to bet that he is regretting by now not having taken that settlement. Ten million for two years of marriage is a pretty good pay day but he thought he deserved more.

I also bet his lawyer told him to accept, just as much as he told him to not ever contact her directly after the C&D letter but he did it anyway.

Jason is an unhinged person and Bethenny has all the right to feel threatened, this POS insists of having his hands on the life insurance policy (something that he could easily have asked his lawyer to request) after telling her "I will destroy you", I would be thinking about one of the episodes of Snapped. 

Once the divorce was finalized in July 2016 - the only time Jason and his divorce lawyers met was to "settle up".

I don't think the Arrogant Douchebag Jason Hoppy went to any legal attorney when he began his stalking. This wasn't about Brynn or any settlement he may have gained. This was about stopping Bethenny and her lawyers from pursuing their investigation into the fraudulent trust.

The lawyer he is using now Alex Spiro is a criminal defense attorney. The first criminal defense attorney he hired Robert Gottlieb - dumped Jason and his case.

[KungFuBunny]

Alex Spiro preps Jason Hoppy for court

 

[the killer]

2 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Why do they "need" to?

Because the only way Jason can clear his name and have access to his daughter is to clear up these charges. If he takes a  plea Bethenny will use it to stop him from seeing his daughter.

The fact remains that they offered a plea that was very  lenient. One count with anger management instead of jail time. Bethenny will use all of her money and power to keep Jason and his parents from seeing his child.  His only hope is to  put his faith in a group of disinterested strangers.

8 minutes ago, BBHN said:

What stories? These are things that Jason has actually done, and TROs/ROs that Jason has violated. Like, in real life.

The spin is the story. We don't really know the facts. We know the allegations. For it to be termed "facts" it must be established in a court of law.  It could all be fake news. If they have the goods they can convict him. But if there are 170 emails about mostly mundane things and a few that are angry or nasty because of the situation at the time....... a  reasonable jury will do the right thing and not be influenced by Bethenny's fame or money.

Lets wait and see it be adjudicated under oath. Let them produce what they have been withholding. Lets see.

I know many want to hang him first and find the evidence later.

[smores]

She will? Thus far, B hasn't made a single move to change their custody or try to take Bryn away, and she's had a restraining order out on him since Jan.  It's entirely possible that he may end up with supervised visitation if it's determined that he's a creepy, stalking harasser, but, nothing has changed so far. 

And, if something does change, it would be because of Jason's actions.  If he hadn't been an alleged creepy, stalking harasser, then none of this would have happened.

[Lemons]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I have to question why Bethenny would schedule a photo shoot with a craft table no less.  How long could the crew have possibly been there?  

The craft table is typically a union requirement. They would need food provided for 4 or 6 hours. Some food tables are union only. Some have separate tables for nonunion. So I don't doubt they had food.

My question would be are the Hoppy parents union? Hehe

[Martinigirl]

5 minutes ago, Lemons said:

The craft table is typically a union requirement. They would need food provided for 4 or 6 hours. Some food tables are union only. Some have separate tables for nonunion. So I don't doubt they had food.

My question would be are the Hoppy parents union? Hehe

They are entitled to half of everything...haven't you heard? :)

[LIMOM]

4 hours ago, Ellee said:

QuinnM, I have zero facts on this but I've always given Julie a lot of credit for B's stairway to success. 

Amazing how her life story sounds just like the character played by Jennifer Hudson  in sex and the city.

This situation between B and J is beyond boring at this point.

I gather that he did not agree to a plea and is going to court?

Well, good luck to him. 

I think that the Killer (Is it just a fictional screen name?) is on to something, J is probably concerned that he could lose custody of his daughter.

Bryn really got a raw deal. 

[ZoloftBlob]

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They need to take this to the jury and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't think anyone is saying Jason shouldn't have a trial? He was offered a plea deal, emphasis on "offered". He said no, so there will be a trial. The only way this stops without a plea deal is if the DA drops the charges, which seems unlikely.

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It is HIS residence! They can walk around in whatever they want!

Isn't this the residence that was found to NOT be Jason's? That he had to move out of? Because of the trust that was kinda sorta maybe not all on the up and up? That his mommy signed off on?

[the killer]

4 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

I don't think anyone is saying Jason shouldn't have a trial? He was offered a plea deal, emphasis on "offered". He said no, so there will be a trial. The only way this stops without a plea deal is if the DA drops the charges, which seems unlikely.

Actually I think they will drop the charges. Or it will be dismissed when they fail to satisfy the judge by not providing adequate discovery.

That's just a feeling I have. I have no "evidence." No "facts" that so many other people are swearing to because it was in Page Six.

It just feels that way to me. Let's see what happens.

[HunterHunted]

6 hours ago, Wendy said:

 

I am willing to bet that he is regretting by now not having taken that settlement. Ten million for two years of marriage is a pretty good pay day but he thought he deserved more.

I also bet his lawyer told him to accept, just as much as he told him to not ever contact her directly after the C&D letter but he did it anyway.

Jason is an unhinged person and Bethenny has all the right to feel threatened, this POS insists of having his hands on the life insurance policy (something that he could easily have asked his lawyer to request) after telling her "I will destroy you", I would be thinking about one of the episodes of Snapped. 

Once again, I don't think we know with any certainty that Bethenny offered Jason a $10 million settlement. I actually suspect that this $10 million figure is some misheard conversation between Bethenny and a friend, something along the lines of "I'm offering him more than what he gets in the prenup and he wants half. I could offer him $10 million and he won't take it. He wants to steal half my money for a 2 year marriage!"

I will say that I consider myself a fair somewhat reasonable person. Just because Bethenny is an asshole, doesn't make Jason's actions and behavior ok. If he had talked to anyone who was remotely adult or mature in his life during the fall of 2016, they would have told him that nasty emails and texts are not going to get Bethenny to do what Jason wanted, mostly because she's been on the receiving end of all of those things for a decade.

If he ends up having to take anger management classes, he should consider it his fuckwit fine because he was being a fuckwit. Maybe he can start therapy too because he and his parents really did exhibit the patterns you see with enmeshed families. Even if Bethenny wasn't Bethenny, he never caught on to the fact that he was sabotaging his new family by constantly picking his birth family first. I have friend going through this right now and she's miserable; she's a therapist, but his family is a disaster. 

Additionally, Jason chose Bethenny. She has never hidden that she's awful and fucked up and Jason chose her. Heck he asked for seconds by marrying her. He's either as fucked up as her or a combination of delusional, arrogant, and stupid enough to think that he could manage her behavior or change her. Only a delusional absolute imbecile would have thought she would change as her life got more complex. Congrats stupid!

Furthermore, for the most part I believe Bethenny's assertions on how bad Bernadette was/is because Bernadette is constantly flapping her lips about how horrible Bethenny is. What does Kenya's mom say about Kenya? NOTHING because she does not have a relationship with Kenya and wants nothing to do with her. I don’t think Kim Zolciak's parents have had anything to say since their original estrangement. I think Kroy's parents have been pretty quiet even though they obviously hate wig. People call Bethenny petty and vindictive. Bernadette is who she learned that from.

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Asking for discovery of what they have as "proof" and refusing to be intimidated by the legal system means you are guilty?

The legal system turns it's full weight on anyone who refuses to accept a plea. It is not because it is Jason or because he is a  minor TV figure. They would not go after Bethenny because I bet the dumpy DA is star struck.

Jason would want to go before a jury because if he is innocent that is the only chance he has of being given fair treatment. Anybody facing the legal system should realize their only chance is to go before a reasonable jury of their peers. Don't leave it up to the DA, the judge, the legal system or the media.

Maybe the DA was star struck, but let's not act like the district attorneys of New York, Bronx, Kings, Queens, and Richmond counties have no familiarity with celebrities. Besides Bethenny, the DAs have dealt with legal issues with J Lo, Diddy, DMX, Lil' Wayne, Shia LaBeouf, Chris Brown, Plaxico Burress (and every other athlete who gets into some shit in NYC), and Malia Obama's, Ivanka Trump's, David Letterman's, Alec Baldwin's, and Uma Thurman's stalkers. Bethenny isn't Beyonce. And Jason isn't Becky with the good hair. Chris Brown is a complete piece of shit, but in the grand scheme of things he's just more famous than she is. He has 20 million twitter followers. Bethenny has 1.5. This bitch ain't shit when it comes to celebrity big balls using her pull as a famous person to get the criminal justice system to do what she wants. She's a big old fucking who????? If you don't believe me, here's Billy Eichner with Chris Pratt whose movies have made more than 2 billion dollars.

No one knows who he is and his films have made billions. She makes crappy diet food and low calorie cocktails and is on a show that's watched by 2 million people. No DA is breaking their neck to help out this ho'....wife.

Edited June 29, 2017 by HunterHunted

[Lemons]

3 hours ago, the killer said:

 

If you don't believe me.......ask Bill Cosby.

Another innocent man falsely accused from women who don't know their place, amirite guys?

[LIMOM]

I just love the Daily News and their Snarky asses.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bethenny-frankel-jason-hoppy-hit-stalking-charges-article-1.3282421

[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, the killer said:

You have to realize that when you dealing with Assistant DA's you are often dealing with petty nasty people who would get off on sticking it to someone who has been on TV.

I would like to know who is the lead ADA on the case. That will make a big difference as to how this case will be prosecuted. It is clear that the DA is being vindictive and sleazy because the defendant is demanding to be tried by a jury of his peers. That is how they work.

 

3 hours ago, the killer said:

They would not go after Bethenny because I bet the dumpy DA is star struck.

 

Ah okay. So now some random DA is not only nasty and gets off on sticking it to some G-list celebrity, but also dumpy. Probably doesn't have a brain in their head either!

[Lemons]

23 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Once again, I don't think we know with any certainty that Bethenny offered Jason a $10 million settlement. I actually suspect that this $10 million figure is some misheard conversation between Bethenny and a friend, something along the lines of "I'm offering him more than what he gets in the prenup and he wants half. I could offer him $10 million and he won't take it. He wants to steal half my money for a 2 year marriage!"

I doubt she offered that either. They had a prenup that they both agreed on, why would she offer that after only a very brief marriage? 

[SCS]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Once again, I don't think we know with any certainty that Bethenny offered Jason a $10 million settlement. I actually suspect that this $10 million figure is some misheard conversation between Bethenny and a friend, something along the lines of "I'm offering him more than what he gets in the prenup and he wants half. I could offer him $10 million and he won't take it. He wants to steal half my money for a 2 year marriage!"

I will say that I consider myself a fair somewhat reasonable person. Just because Bethenny is an asshole, doesn't make Jason's actions and behavior ok. If he had talked to anyone who was remotely adult or mature in his life during the fall of 2016, they would have told him that nasty emails and texts are not going to get Bethenny to do what Jason wanted, mostly because she's been on the receiving end of all of those things for a decade. If he ends up having to take anger management classes, he should consider it his fuckwit fine because he was being a fuckwit. Maybe he can start therapy too because he and his parents really did exhibit the patterns you see with enmeshed families. Even if Bethenny wasn't Bethenny, he never caught on to the fact that he was sabotaging his new family by constantly picking his birth family. I have friend going through this right now and she's miserable. Additionally, Jason chose Bethenny. She has never hidden that she's awful and fucked up and Jason chose her. Heck asked for seconds by marrying her. Only a delusional absolute imbecile would have thought she would change as her life got more complex. Congrats stupid!

Furthermore, for the most part I believe Bethenny's assertions on how bad Bernadette was/is because Bernadette is constantly flapping her lips about how horrible Bethenny is. What does Kenya's mom say about Kenya? NOTHING because she does not have a relationship with Kenya and wants nothing to do with her. I don’t think Kim Zolciak's parents have had anything to say since their original estrangement. I think Kroy's parents have been pretty quiet even though they obviously hate wig. People call Bethenny petty and vindictive. Bernadette is who she learned that from.

 

OK, so, this is a really good post. Especially the bolded part, which I had not considered.

[ShawnaLanne]

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think Bryn was there.  Grandpa wore boxers.  The only  thing that could make that scene worse black socks with sandals.

It's not so much the boxers it's that they did it while filming and ate in them. Ew.

[ZoloftBlob]

And I am not so sure I understand the "well they were wearing boxers so jeez people...."

They were wearing their underwear. In front of guests. I mean, lets assume Bethenny earned that. What about the people with her?

[diadochokinesis]

9 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

I wouldn't want to see my own father walking around in his boxers.  WTF were Jason and his father thinking???????????????

Dude, even my husband won't wear his boxers around the house.  We have a 5 year old and a 14 month old.  He puts on clothes when he wakes up. 

 

[BBHN]

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The fact remains that they offered a plea that was very  lenient. One count with anger management instead of jail time. Bethenny will use all of her money and power to keep Jason and his parents from seeing his child.  His only hope is to  put his faith in a group of disinterested strangers.

I'm not sure I see how any of that is related. He got a good deal which he turned down, and is now dealing with even more crap than before. That is all on him.

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The spin is the story. We don't really know the facts. We know the allegations. For it to be termed "facts" it must be established in a court of law.  It could all be fake news. If they have the goods they can convict him

What spin? He was arrested and then charged with more counts. That isn't spin, that is fact. Like, that actually happened. In real life. Not on TV.

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a  reasonable jury will do the right thing and not be influenced by Bethenny's fame or money.

Well, we don't know what a reasonable jury would do since, as you said, we don't really know all the facts. It is possible a "reasonable" jury, with all the facts, could find him guilty.

Granted, this is all nonsense anyway, Jason is not some poor victim here that is being abused by the legal system, and only a trial by jury can save him from the evil team-up of Bethenny and the New York legal system.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

13 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

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Isn't this the residence that was found to NOT be Jason's? 

At the time of this boxers at the craft table incident, Jason had every legal right to reside there, and every enjoyment of the home however he saw fit. 

10 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

 

They were wearing their underwear. In front of guests. I mean, lets assume Bethenny earned that. What about the people with her?

What proof is there or who saw this? Perhaps the photo shoot staff had left and left the leftovers behind . Perhaps Bethenny saw them on home video surveillance footage....maybe she walked in unexpectedly on their attire......perhaps they were they only two home. Are you certain people were even there including Bethenny?  

 

Lost at sea. Homeless. Doesn't have parents. Tortured. 

Edited June 29, 2017 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[ZoloftBlob]

"Are you certain people were even there including Bethenny? " Well, this was part of her testimony before the settlement so... are *you* stating she was lying under oath? Please do understand, I don't ascribe any saintly side to bethenny - she's a bitch of the nth order. But really, if its all lies, why is precious innocent Jason the one under arrest? She's not that rich. So lets go back to the original point - I actually want o know does Jason's level of piss off mean he can shit where he pleases around other people if Behtenny is there? The underwear incident affected other people. His recent arrest was over an incident at a elementary school. He was pissed with Bethenny so FUCK YOU parents and kids, Jason was mad at his bithc wife so you all deserve this?

By the way, its rather hilarious that the argument is "IT NEVER HAPPENED" followed up by "it was his house so he had every right to wear his underpants in front of guests". And technically, the house was never his, that is why he had to move out.

[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

"Are you certain people were even there including Bethenny? " Well, this was part of her testimony before the settlement so... are *you* stating she was lying under oath? Please do understand, I don't ascribe any saintly side to bethenny - she's a bitch of the nth order. But really, if its all lies, why is precious innocent Jason the one under arrest? She's not that rich. So lets go back to the original point - I actually want o know does Jason's level of piss off mean he can shit where he pleases around other people if Behtenny is there? The underwear incident affected other people. His recent arrest was over an incident at a elementary school. He was pissed with Bethenny so FUCK YOU parents and kids, Jason was mad at his bithc wife so you all deserve this?

By the way, its rather hilarious that the argument is "IT NEVER HAPPENED" followed up by "it was his house so he had every right to wear his underpants in front of guests". And technically, the house was never his, that is why he had to move out.

He was legally residing in the home at the time.  It was his residence and residence is not necessarily ownership. 

The whole thing seemed very "War of the Roses" to me.  Bethenny has her staff, Jason has his parents visiting, Bethenny schedules a promotional Skinnygirl photo shoot, Hoppys ignore her photo shoot.  I would think any food in the shared residence would be available for consumption by all residents and their guests.   

Back when I was watching Bethenny's spin offs I thought it unwise that she had employees coming into the house to work at all hours.  Once she made it big, it just seemed unnecessary to have extra people in the family home.  I remember a scene of Jason coming home from work and stating something about no work after 6 pm.  Bethenny and her crew cackled at his suggestion.  I understood she wanted to be near her daughter but it always seemed slightly chaotic.  I guess the same could be said for having a film crew around.

Mostly I thought it was just another example of testifying about stuff that affected her and didn't really affect the child.  I think the parties could have saved a lot of time and money had they just stipulated they both did things that annoyed the other. 

[Juliegirlj]

I totally get a "War of the Roses" vibe from Bethenny and Jason. Obviously they are both flawed, somewhat tormented people. However, the very thing that makes Bethenny so entertaining is also what would make her a frightening opponent: she is very smart, a quick wit, and a biting tongue ( she is also bitter and narcissistic) And she has a public forum in which she can mold viewer's opinions. Jason is way out of his league.....

[bagger]

On 6/24/2017 at 2:59 PM, BBHN said:

Maybe he plans on developing SkinnyGuy Nail Polish?

I mean...why not? ;)

 

Would that be a cheater brand?

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

 

It is HIS residence! They can walk around in whatever they want!

 

And on FILM! B is vile. 

Its is not Gramps residence.  It was also a place of work for B.  I cannot have guests visit me at my place of business and walk around in their underpants and tank.  They needed to show some decorum.  It wasn't just Jason's home, it was Bethenny's, Brynn's and had a home office.  My grandfather didn't wander around in his boxers while we were staying at his house nor did he wander around ours like that when visiting.  Just because Jason's parents SEEMED nice to some and are older does not mean they are immune from being assholes.  

[Pickles]

Okay, I am in over my head on this thread. Can someone just tell me when Jason heads back to court and then what happens? Is he going to trial? A jury trial? It is for the alleged stalking and harassment?

[Natalie68]

19 hours ago, the killer said:

Because the only way Jason can clear his name and have access to his daughter is to clear up these charges. If he takes a  plea Bethenny will use it to stop him from seeing his daughter.

The fact remains that they offered a plea that was very  lenient. One count with anger management instead of jail time. Bethenny will use all of her money and power to keep Jason and his parents from seeing his child.  His only hope is to  put his faith in a group of disinterested strangers.

The spin is the story. We don't really know the facts. We know the allegations. For it to be termed "facts" it must be established in a court of law.  It could all be fake news. If they have the goods they can convict him. But if there are 170 emails about mostly mundane things and a few that are angry or nasty because of the situation at the time....... a  reasonable jury will do the right thing and not be influenced by Bethenny's fame or money.

Lets wait and see it be adjudicated under oath. Let them produce what they have been withholding. Lets see.

I know many want to hang him first and find the evidence later.

Someone sends ME 170 fucking emails it BETTER be about something important or I would also file stalking charges.  It tells me he has impulse control issues.

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Its is not Gramps residence.  It was also a place of work for B.  I cannot have guests visit me at my place of business and walk around in their underpants and tank.  They needed to show some decorum.  It wasn't just Jason's home, it was Bethenny's, Brynn's and had a home office.  My grandfather didn't wander around in his boxers while we were staying at his house nor did he wander around ours like that when visiting.  Just because Jason's parents SEEMED nice to some and are older does not mean they are immune from being assholes.  

It is Jason's residence and he can have guests.  It is not an office, it is a residence with a home office.

I still go back to Bethenny have absolutely no issues with her own nudity on TV, movies and of course urinating in public.  Her standards.

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Okay, I am in over my head on this thread. Can someone just tell me when Jason heads back to court and then what happens? Is he going to trial? A jury trial? It is for the alleged stalking and harassment?

Yes the trial is set for August 8, 2017.  There is no indication as to whether it will be a bench trial of jury trial-the defense gets their choice.  It is for alleged stalking and harassment.

[Pickles]

Thank you, Zoeysmom!

[Natalie68]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

It is Jason's residence and he can have guests.  It is not an office, it is a residence with a home office.

I still go back to Bethenny have absolutely no issues with her own nudity on TV, movies and of course urinating in public.  Her standards.

Yes the trial is set for August 8, 2017.  There is no indication as to whether it will be a bench trial of jury trial-the defense gets their choice.  It is for alleged stalking and harassment.

And his guests needed to be dressed appropriately because like it or not work WAS happening there.  It seems like someone could have filed some docs about sexual harassment because some weird unrelated man is wandering around their place of business in their underpants.  The office was in a residence but was the craft table he was taking munchies from located at the shoot or in the private space?  Guests at my work have to behave like they are in a place of work.  If Jason and his parents didn't like it they could have gone out for the day.

[Martinigirl]

7 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Someone sends ME 170 fucking emails it BETTER be about something important or I would also file stalking charges.  It tells me he has impulse control issues.

Jason's  continued claims of innocence prove he thinks he is still not doing anything wrong, which actually sounds really dangerous.

[zoeysmom]

52 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Jason's  continued claims of innocence prove he thinks he is still not doing anything wrong, which actually sounds really dangerous.

Jason has a constitutional right to be presumed innocent.  He has not been convicted nor had there been a trial.

[BBHN]

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 If Jason and his parents didn't like it they could have gone out for the day.

I think that runs counter to what is advised in the Squatter's Handbook.

[Martinigirl]

12 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Jason has a constitutional right to be presumed innocent.  He has not been convicted nor had there been a trial.

Yeah, let's add two additional charges to an innocent man. 

[smores]

He does have a right to be presumed innocent.  But, I would think that at some point he needs to look back at some of his behavior and say, "well, shit, I got off track"  Regardless of what you think of all the different issues, he was served a C&D and then he proceeded to continuing contacting B and Dennis.  That wasn't a wise choice.  Neither was getting into a shouting match at Bryn's school.  His statements so far have basically said that B is wrong/lying/twisting things and maybe that's true for some of it, but for those 2 things, he clearly was out of line.  The fact that he hasn't seemed to acknowledge that at all is a bit troubling.

[Lemons]

5 minutes ago, smores said:

He does have a right to be presumed innocent.  But, I would think that at some point he needs to look back at some of his behavior and say, "well, shit, I got off track"  

When a man or woman gets into this obsessive state of mind I don't think they can get back on track without help. The DA's office is trained to see the signs of troublesome behavior. They see people like Jason all the time.  He might be enraged to have lost the apartment and marital support. He might still be enraged that she left him and moved in.  We don't know his reasons.

The DA's office and Police see what happens when these situations escalate all the time.  The DA's job is to make sure the behavior doesn't escalate and if that means pressing charges, that's what happens.  

[ZoloftBlob]

And that's actually where I was going with my earlier remark. Ignore that its Bethenny - did the people who work with Bethenny deserve Jason and Gramps wandering about in their panties at the craft table? Did the other parents and Dennis, and children and teachers at the school where Jason went off deserve his behavior?

[Natalie68]

7 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

And that's actually where I was going with my earlier remark. Ignore that its Bethenny - did the people who work with Bethenny deserve Jason and Gramps wandering about in their panties at the craft table? Did the other parents and Dennis, and children and teachers at the school where Jason went off deserve his behavior?

Exactly!  Honestly how gross would it be to have some strange man in his panties perusing a craft table? 

Edited June 29, 2017 by Natalie68

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, Martinigirl said:

Yeah, let's add two additional charges to an innocent man. 

I think that's a little unfair. Adding charges isn't an indication that Jason is guilty. It's an indication that the DA has sufficient evidence to prosecute him. Do I believe Jason did these things? Yes, but I believe that the vast majority of it was mean and stupid, but not rising to the level of being actually fearful of what he might do. However, I also believe that some of the messages could reasonably interpreted as threats.

Jason is entitled to a trial. I suspect that he's rejecting the pleas and asking for the trial on principle. However, he needs to disabuse himself of the notion that he's the hero and she's the villain. That he's the prince come to slay the dragon. His hands are not clean in all this. He's been petty and mean too. He doesn't want her to smear him as an dangerously obsessed person. Don't give her the ammunition. With every dollar they spend on lawyers and every minute they waste in a courtroom, the only person in this cold war that is mutually assured of destruction is Bryn. I don't expect Bethenny to get it, but Jason is allegedly the normal one. He needs to do better for Bryn and his own sanity.

Additionally, if he's worried about costs of hauling her in front of the mediator or court when Bethenny starts acting up, then Jason should sit down with his attorney, explain his financial situation, and using the custody agreement as a guide figure out the kinds of issues Jason can handle pro se and the things he absolutely needs an attorney to be involved.

[the killer]

2 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Yeah, let's add two additional charges to an innocent man. 

There it is.

If you are innocent what does it matter how many extra charges they lay on you.?  The DA loves to load on charges in the hope that one of them sticks. I am surprised they didn't add on jay walking and nose picking in the third degree.

Also 170 emails over the time period could very possibly not be excessive. You have to consider the context. In a three month period that would be about two a day. When the opposite party refuses to talk to you on the phone it is very possible to have 2 emails a day. "I am picking her up today." "I can not pick her up today" "She has a slight cold."

Context is the key. The Emails have to be made public. If 150 are normal housekeeping and 20 are termed "Nasty" they need to look at them in the context of the conversation. Where they nasty emails in reply to an equally nasty email?  Are they the results of frustration at non-compliance  with the divorce decree? What are the full context of the emails?

Are these emails sufficient to incarcerate someone? I simply don't think so. But we will see what happens in a court of law when everyone is under oath. Not on Page Six.

No one who posts here has any idea of the content of these emails other than leaks in the media from partisans of one side or the other. In fact the prosecution has withheld discovery of the actual "proof" from the defense and has been ordered by the judge to produce these materials forthwith.

I suggest we all take a breath and let the judicial process take it's course.

That is the only reasonable and fair approach.

Edited June 29, 2017 by the killer

[Jel]

1 hour ago, ZoloftBlob said:

And that's actually where I was going with my earlier remark. Ignore that its Bethenny - did the people who work with Bethenny deserve Jason and Gramps wandering about in their panties at the craft table? Did the other parents and Dennis, and children and teachers at the school where Jason went off deserve his behavior?

I can't believe there's any disagreement about whether or not it was "okay" for old man Hoppy to lounge around his son and daughter-in-law's apartment in his boxers and T!

[BBHN]

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Yeah, let's add two additional charges to an "innocent" man. 

Fixed it ;)

[Martinigirl]

20 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Fixed it ;)

Thanks! You're the best! :)

[smores]

Context is key, and part of that context is that one of the parties was served with a C&D that they violated by then sending those 170 emails.  So, none of them should have happened, period.  If there was an issue with custody or the divorce and the other party isn't responding, then you take it up with the lawyer or possible mediator/custody hand off person.  You don't keep going after being served with a C&D.  That's how you get arrested and charged with crimes.

[CatMomma]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Jason has a constitutional right to be presumed innocent.  He has not been convicted nor had there been a trial.

That's in a court of law. As a citizen, I can presume what I want. OJ was acquitted for murdering 2 people, but I believe he was guilty. Bill Cosby's trial ended in a mistrial, but I think he is guilty as hell. That's my constitutional right.

And, yes, the argument that it was ok for daddy Hoppy to walk around in his skivvies while other people were present is ok because it was Jason's house too, is ridiculous. Guess it's ok if I take a dump in my living room while guests are present. Hey, it's my house, so suck it up.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I want to know if walking around in his man-panties in front of company/workers was something Jason did on a regular basis, like dating back to before he and Bethenny hated each other's guts.  Because if that was just how they rolled in casa Frankel-Hoppy, well, so be it.  I would feel very uncomfortable being around it, but I don't get to tell other people how to act in their own home.

But if this was some kind of "new thing" Jason was suddenly inspired to do out of nowhere, it seems pretty clear that it was done just to piss Bethenny off.  And that is extremely uncool, whether or not it was "Jason's home" and he was arguably free to do whatever he wanted.  Because I don't think one should ever feel free to be an antagonistic asshole to family members no matter how bad your relationship, or to do things that will embarrass paid staff who have no choice but to put up with your shit. 

What may actually be worse is that Old Man Hoppy was willing to get in on the action.  There is no way that's appropriate.  It says to me that far from being a sweet, benevolent old grandpa he is actually a nasty old creep who is happy to do things to intentionally irritate his granddaughter's mother, and in her own home while she is trying to work, no less.  It suggests to me that he has no respect for Bethenny as Bryn's mother, I don't like what that may mean about how he acts or speaks around Bryn.  

[the killer]

1 hour ago, smores said:

Context is key, and part of that context is that one of the parties was served with a C&D that they violated by then sending those 170 emails.  So, none of them should have happened, period.  If there was an issue with custody or the divorce and the other party isn't responding, then you take it up with the lawyer or possible mediator/custody hand off person.  You don't keep going after being served with a C&D.  That's how you get arrested and charged with crimes.

Thia is the issue that is being adjudicated at the trial. Yes the DA decided to charge based on things that none of us have seen or are privy to accept in press accounts. If it goes to a jury trial as I think it will...... a jury of his peers will  determine if what he did was "creepy stalking" or the frustration and exasperation of someone dealing with someone like Bethenny. Who wanted to use Jason as a sperm donor and a reality TV foil for her own self aggrandizement. We will find out the truth. If he did send terroristic threats and "creepy" stalking attacks then he will be convicted. If they were angry and yes even nasty emails the jury might find it not unreasonable because of the actions of the other party to the dispute.

We will see what really happened when the case if concluded. I think that will either be dropped or dismissed. If it is dismissed it will because the prosecution will not provide the so called evidence that that they based the indictment on when they thought Jason was a ham sandwich.

1 hour ago, CatMomma said:

That's in a court of law. As a citizen, I can presume what I want. OJ was acquitted for murdering 2 people, but I believe he was guilty. Bill Cosby's trial ended in a mistrial, but I think he is guilty as hell. That's my constitutional right.

Well said. As a citizen, I can also presume what I want. I presume that Bethenny is the worst person in the history of the world. If she got in a dispute with oh I don't know.......Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy or Kim Jong-un or Saddam Hussein.......I would have to take their side over Bethenny's. It is just that simple. She is the pits of the world.

[smores]

Does our legal system allow for you to harass someone if they are "someone like Bethenny?"  I mean, because she's B, is her C&D somehow null and void?

[the killer]

People get cease and desist orders all the time with bogus facts. For example debtors get them against creditors. Personal creditors where there is a loan among friends. I know of a case where one party got an order based on perjured testimony and it took ten years for it to be adjudicated.

These orders are often used as weapons. You saw it on various Housewives shows. On Beverly Hills Adrienne threatened to get one against that drunken slob who was later fired. On Orange County it was famously termed a cyst and desist order by that moron Tamara. Or was it Vicki. I get my California morons mixed up. It is a legal weapon often used in bitterly contested divorces. As are orders of protection. Many if not most are justified But a significant number of them are bogus.

As I have repeatedly said it will all be sorted out in a court of law before a jury of his peers. Not in the tabloids. Not on a message board.

I simply do not believe anything Bethenny says and I think she used her power and money and influence to get the cease and desist order and the prosecution of her ex-husband.

We will find out soon enough who is correct.