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8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Dick Wolf already has a spinoff of FBI in the works per TV Line.

"The potential series...centers on the division of the FBI tasked with tracking and capturing the notorious criminals on the FBI’s Most Wanted list."

All they need now is a suave, well dressed arch criminal to lead them down the path.

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31 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

All they need now is a suave, well dressed arch criminal to lead them down the path.

Nicole Wallace of L&O: CI comes to mind, but she ended up worm food, so...  :-)

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On 1/24/2019 at 4:26 PM, icemiser69 said:

One part of this episode that I did like was when one of the characters said "everyone has a right to their opinion".  I think that was OA that said that to his sister.

I also liked the comment that Dana made to Kristen "Focus on the evidence, not on the politics.   Our job is to protect free speech, not police it".

Kristen was incredibly obnoxious this episode.  I hate it when characters get on their soap boxes and ideologically spout off.  They completely lack professionalism.

I doubt that in an FBI control room, agents never give their political opinions. Especially if they work together as much as this group seems to. I don’t think Kristen was obnoxious. Borderline unprofessional maybe. 

 

On 1/23/2019 at 7:32 PM, Rambler said:

Really Dick Wolf??? What’s with this Paul Revere University BS. Everybody knows that Hudson University is the choice of terrorist professors everywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! What kind of hack university was this? Hudson is the place to be (or the place to get murdered, murder, commission murders, etc). 

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Is this show getting pushed back a week because of the President's address? 

EDIT: I know another show that comes on later is being pushed back too. 

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Accessed this thread through my follows as it seems to be doing a disappearing act for the time being from my homepage:

Not a bad episode, but it seemed like this episode wanted to do a double twist with the kidnapped girls and then some sort of twist at the end with them never physically attacked or whatnot, maybe implying they were voluntarily with the perp. Except their behavior matches (to me) traumatized victims and the "family" answer from Dana did seem all sorts of lame.

And I see we get a glimpse into Jubal's personal life, talking about his ex, her boyfriend, and his kid.

By the way, once again, I thought Missy Peregrym - based on the preview for next week, with her crying and asking "Who HIRED him?!" (or whatever she said)  - was again overwrought and overdramatic. Oh, well. Maybe it will play out better in context. Maybe. Hopefully.

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I hated this episode with a passion.  The cop was right, when you have a chance to take the shot you take the shot.  If the dude that was held hostage had been killed after charging the eighteen year old woman, that death would be on the FBI.  How was that woman some sort of victim, defending herself?  The dude is a hostage.  The writer's wrote this episode in a way to bail the FBI out.  They shouldn't have.

Seven hostages vs a woman who was unwillingly helping the dude hold those people hostage.  The math is easy.  Yes, there was one fifteen year old teenager that was chained up in an apartment.  So, technically that was two lives vs seven hostages.  Still the math is easy.

Maggie wasn't the least bit credible when it came to giving medical aid.

BTW, note to special affects.  The cop that was shot in the bank should have bled out a helluva lot more than one little spec of blood on his shirt.

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We were on board for weekly viewing when this show first started. But it has gotten progressively predictable and pedestrian as time has passed.   
This episode - dealing with a guy who robs banks with his young female hostages - just felt ho-hum. 
Maggie and OA were their typical selves and the few FBI agents who get to talk at the headquarters provided the typical info dump exposition. 

I know it is a limited cast, but I am already exhausted by Maggie (and OA) doing everything while also being the almost always correct moral compass for every situation. 

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3 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

Maggie wasn't the least bit credible when it came to giving medical aid.

The absolute truth. She should have been shot dead by the perp for her unbelievable portrayal of an EMT.

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Yep the amount of blood on the first cop was laughable. What happened to your fake blood budget, Dick? Good grief. Why didn't Maggie leave the bracelet near the ice behind the bar? Arrgh! Why do I watch this crap?

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Didn't really care for this episode and it was interesting what Jubal did at the end. 

I don't get the cop who got shot, he couldn't even seem to shoot straight but maybe I'm being unfair? Yes, he could have had more blood than it was shown.

I didn't think them bringing the dad would work either as I would not have wanted to talk to my father if he did what he did. 

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3 hours ago, rhys said:

Yep the amount of blood on the first cop was laughable. What happened to your fake blood budget, Dick? Good grief. Why didn't Maggie leave the bracelet near the ice behind the bar? Arrgh! Why do I watch this crap?

Dick has quite a few shows on the air.  I am beginning to wonder how much he is involved with in the writing on any of them.

This isn't the only show of his that has some pretty sloppy writing.

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After Julia emptied her round in Pat, the FBI/NYPD took their sweet time rushing in and the customers were slow running out.

What was Maggie's objective going in? To help the injured man or hope/pray Julia will see the bracelet (put two and two together) and turn on her captor? Maggie was dead if Julia didn't shoot. Stupid plan, she was very lucky.

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2 hours ago, mxc90 said:

What was Maggie's objective going in? To help the injured man or hope/pray Julia will see the bracelet (put two and two together) and turn on her captor? Maggie was dead if Julia didn't shoot. Stupid plan, she was very lucky.

I find it increasingly unbelievable that Maggie was a suitable candidate for the FBI. She really isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier sometimes, even as everyone else on screen seems to think differently.

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4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I find it increasingly unbelievable that Maggie was a suitable candidate for the FBI. She really isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier sometimes, even as everyone else on screen seems to think differently.

There should have been scene where OA, Jubal, and Dana are scolding her for not following the plan while reviewing the surveillance footage.

BTW - They were watching a live feed of what was going on and still failed to react quickly when Maggie and Pat got into a fight. Poor job all the way around.

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I was really bothered by the slow reaction of the cop in the bank. He gets a bead on the robbers, identifies himself, and then one of them has the time to turn and open fire before the cop gets off a single shot? So this is the one time an NYPD cop in a suspect situation isn’t fast on the trigger?

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This show continues to be ridiculously stupid.  I wouldn’t mind as much if it didn’t go for the obvious.  I would have liked the bank robber episode a lot better if the girl(s) were less hostagy.  This could have been an awesome Bonnie & Clyde type episode or even girls manipulating boys but it went with the borrrrrring  guy takes girls hostage and barely even dealt with the reasons he did it which could have been interesting.

Yea this show is ridiculous but shows have survived and flourished on rediculous.  This is something far worse. It is trite and boring.

 But it is also CBS.

so what do I know? 

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It's funny how, whoever the man characters of the show are, they're the ones calling the shots and being the heroes. Had this been Blue Bloods, Danny would've been the one in control and the FBI wouldn't have even been on the scene. It's also funny how these young agents are front and center during the crisis whereas the (on-duty) police officer is the seasoned professional.

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I got a laugh when the agents showed the old man an aerial view of the neighborhood and asked him if anything seemed familiar.  Ever seen an aerial photo of any neighborhood?  Try and identify it on the spot.

I am still puzzled over just what all those other people do in the FBI headquarters.

It's always been my understanding that police procedure during a bank robbery is to let the robbery take place and then pursue the criminals outside when you have sufficient resources to do so.  It was stupid of that cop to endanger everyone in the bank (although nobody could seem to hit anyone), especially since he was outgunned from the start.

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7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I got a laugh when the agents showed the old man an aerial view of the neighborhood and asked him if anything seemed familiar.  Ever seen an aerial photo of any neighborhood?  Try and identify it on the spot.

I am still puzzled over just what all those other people do in the FBI headquarters.

It's always been my understanding that police procedure during a bank robbery is to let the robbery take place and then pursue the criminals outside when you have sufficient resources to do so.  It was stupid of that cop to endanger everyone in the bank (although nobody could seem to hit anyone), especially since he was outgunned from the start.

All that convicts have to do with their time is look at google earth maps of their hood to remind themselves of when they were free.

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On 2/14/2019 at 9:53 AM, Xantar said:

I was really bothered by the slow reaction of the cop in the bank. He gets a bead on the robbers, identifies himself, and then one of them has the time to turn and open fire before the cop gets off a single shot? So this is the one time an NYPD cop in a suspect situation isn’t fast on the trigger?

Barney Fife is more accurate with the one bullet he keeps in his shirt pocket. 

So many of these series have so much ridiculousness in the name of drama.

The cop that got shot in the bank should have spent more time ta the gun range.  He pretty much emptied his gun and only shot one person in the leg.

Even the stars of this show do incredibly stupid things.  Like telling someone to halt and  identifying themselves when the person is 30 feet away, just so they can have a chase  scene.

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The latest episode just started, and one thing from the L&O franchise carried over: Hi, New York Ledger! (Stand in for the New York Post.)

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I felt sorry for the bank security guard. The man wanted to draw his gun, stand proud, remove the security guard stereotype of laziness and join OA and Maggie in the arrest/take down but OA deprived him of his one moment to shine and ordered him to take cover in the corner (never to be seen again).

Cutler looked dead for a minute while Maggie was emoting. Did the show forget to run the flat line sound? And after all that Maggie had to ask what was happening to him.
 

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Perhaps if Maggie had left the guy alone in the hospital bed, he would have survived and might have been able to answer her questions.  Her going there just added more stress to a guy that was struggling to survive.

I was a bit surprised that the doctor didn't tell Maggie to leave.  He just left at her request.  I don't think that would happen in a real life situation.

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57 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Perhaps if Maggie had left the guy alone in the hospital bed, he would have survived and might have been able to answer her questions.  Her going there just added more stress to a guy that was struggling to survive.

I was a bit surprised that the doctor didn't tell Maggie to leave.  He just left at her request.  I don't think that would happen in a real life situation.

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

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4 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

Me too. I thought she'd be accused of a revenge kill.

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42 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

I don't think this is the only Dick Wolf show where FBI/cops overrule doctors.

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This show appears to be going in an odd direction. Maggie had never obsessed about that phone video until this episode. 
And why did OA not suggest having the video analyzed to identify the suspect? ... since the FBI tech wizards (literally, wizards) manage to solve most of the cases with little more than a reflected image from a rear-view mirror and a discarded gum wrapper. 
The only reason the cases take so long is that everyone has to wait for Maggie and OA to personally drive to every location to confront suspects and interview witnesses.

It was no surprise that the hired killer guy would die before talking. What was surprising was Maggie's "how could you?" attitude regarding hired killers not taking more of a personal interest in the lives of their targets. Is she new?

Unfortunately, the show has settled into a mostly regular pattern of tropes and cliches. I find myself more curious about what the other 10+ FBI agents are doing during the bullpen exposition sessions at headquarters. Do you think some of them are just checking their social media while pretending to pay attention? 

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Didn't care for this episode really and just because the suspect got some money doesn't mean he killed Jason. I liked how OA talked to Maggie and just listened. 

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The plot didn't make much sense at all. If a drug is being tested for efficacy, then it is in the drug company's best interest to notify the FDA of any manufacturing problems right away instead of trying to hide it. Otherwise the additional deaths would be blamed on the active ingredient in the drug, thus greatly increasing the chances that the drug is going to be rejected.

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If this show is anything it is predictable.  And the writers wouldn't know how to send a subtle message if they tried.   A subtle message sends more of a message than one over the top message that slaps someone in the face.

Here's a thought, instead of having characters on their soapboxes practically this entire episode, how about having a normal conversation with out all of the preaching.

Maggie saved the day, she put a bomb in a freezer, is there anything she can't do?   Yikes that whole scene was so bad.  Announce there is a bomb in a men's club, and all of the men casually stroll out of the building, yeah right.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an episode with a women's club that excludes men.  Those clubs do exist.

And oh by the way, show writers, women go to strip clubs as well, it isn't just men.

There has to be balance to this series, and it appears that the writers have no interest in having that balance.

ETA: I had to laugh, if you get a chance to watch the chase seen again, Maggie runs to the right  after exiting the car.  OA chases the dude down the alley hops the fence and takes a left running up the street.  How does Maggie tackle the dude when she was running in the opposite direction? 

Does anyone on this series know what the hell they are doing?  If they can't even script chase scenes properly, that is really bad.  And this isn't the only horrible chase scene this series has had.  There have been quite a few screw ups.

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No one watched this weeks episode?  Three pages back.  Doesn’t bode well

The episode wasn’t half bad.  If focused on Dana played by Sela Ward and it was in large part about women in powerful positions and how men react to them.

A high powered female banker gets blowed up and the FBI execs bring in a brash young dude to “advise” Dana but he completely overlooks her and treats her like a subordinate.  They go back and forth when other people get blowed up on how to proceed.   

Its actually not a bad episode.

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1 hour ago, Chaos Theory said:

FBI execs bring in a brash young dude to “advise” Dana but he completely overlooks her and treats her like a subordinate.

That would be Paulo Costanzo who played Lyor Boone the fast-talking, wisecracking, know-it-all on Designated Survivor. Seems he found his niche as an unlikeable character.

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5 minutes ago, preeya said:

That would be Paulo Costanzo who played Lyor Boone the fast-talking, wisecracking, know-it-all on Designated Survivor. Seems he found his niche as an unlikeable character.

He was a lovable goof ball  on "Royal Pains" but that was quite a while back.  

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There is a new trope in town: Without notification,  a smug jerk shows up in the middle of a case and announces that they have been sent from "headquarters"  to quarterback the team.  A leadership pissing contest ensues, causing both parties to look petty and childish - because the days of professional decorum are over.

This episode was difficult to watch with all the anvils falling and being repeatedly bludgeoned with ham-fisted current issues.  If there were a bot that could consume  trending topics with the accompanying cliches and sound bites - amplify them while also dumbing them down - and then crap out a script - this episode would be the result. And it would be written in ALL CAPS. 

You know toxic masculinity guy would have lawyer'd up in a second - but the show needed him to spout as much OMG, sexist rhetoric as possible. During the interrogations, the sneering smiles of moral superiority from Maggie and OA was not a good look for them. 
Almost every scene in this episode was over-the-top-and wannbe triggering. 
Dana doing an armchair profiling session while Maggie described the apartment was cringe inducing.

Both FBI lead lady and smug jerk from headquarters got a few punches in with correct predictions, but it was obvious who was going to win overall. In the end there were two potential bomb targets but *only* Maggie and OA are available to be sent to one in time. Seriously? The FBI would let a bomb go off before even considering contacting the local police department? 

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Has anyone else wondered about the ubiquitous video cameras that seem to show up in every episode?  They're everywhere:  on every street, in every store, at street level, looking down from above.  They all work all the time, and all are instantly available to the FBI at a moment's notice--no need apparently to get a warrant. And the FBI has software that lets them seamlessly track someone moving around the city and never lose him.   Are there really this many video cameras in NYC?  Has the FBI put them there?  Is it really 1984?  Aren't criminals aware of this and taking steps to avoid or fool them?

I call lazy writing on this.

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Didn't really care for this episode really. It just seemed like too much sniping about men and women. I thought Nick Frost would have asked for a lawyer after the second or third question. 

The club they went to, I could have sworn I saw some women running out as well but they were staffers. This episode could have been better though. 

I do not like to wish anyone harm but the female CEO was a real bitch. 

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9 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

No one watched this weeks episode?  Three pages back.  Doesn’t bode well

The episode wasn’t half bad.  If focused on Dana played by Sela Ward and it was in large part about women in powerful positions and how men react to them.

A high powered female banker gets blowed up and the FBI execs bring in a brash young dude to “advise” Dana but he completely overlooks her and treats her like a subordinate.  They go back and forth when other people get blowed up on how to proceed.   

Its actually not a bad episode.

I watched. I liked seeing Sela put Paulo in his place. Didn't like seeing others get blown up& couldn't figure how those bombs made it from the maker's place to the point where they exploded without exploding early.

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13 hours ago, DaveL723 said:

Has anyone else wondered about the ubiquitous video cameras that seem to show up in every episode?

Not to mention the fact that they can pull up enormous data on any person they want, even if they have no criminal record.  It's The Machine, I tell you. 

Based on the previous explosions, I would think it would be much safer for the two occupants in the restroom to shelter in place.  What if there was a secondary device out in the lobby?

In addition to the lawyer comments here, I have a question.  Why do people who are being chased down a street/alley/etc. always turn around to see if the cop is still behind them?  Did you think you lost him?

In the midst of all this sexual discrimination/harassment exposition, Jubal has one of the assistants research some data, and casually puts his arm on her shoulder.  Hmmm.

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14 hours ago, DaveL723 said:

Has anyone else wondered about the ubiquitous video cameras that seem to show up in every episode?  They're everywhere:  on every street, in every store, at street level, looking down from above.  They all work all the time, and all are instantly available to the FBI at a moment's notice--no need apparently to get a warrant. And the FBI has software that lets them seamlessly track someone moving around the city and never lose him.   Are there really this many video cameras in NYC?  Has the FBI put them there?  Is it really 1984?  Aren't criminals aware of this and taking steps to avoid or fool them?

I call lazy writing on this.

I have. This show relies too heavy on it. This team will have a very hard time solving a crime if footage is not available. I guess they need a device to keep Jubal and Kirsten busy and important. 

If the writers every did an episode with no camera help, they would pat themselves on the back as if they did something ground breaking.

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On 2/27/2019 at 6:34 AM, preeya said:

That would be Paulo Costanzo who played Lyor Boone the fast-talking, wisecracking, know-it-all on Designated Survivor. Seems he found his niche as an unlikeable character.

When he first came in with his 82% of bombers theory and the SAC kept going on with it's not all about Numb3rs, at least three times, I kept thinking wait that's not him. It finally clicked, he was the little brother from Royal Pains

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The bomber's mother was played by Beth Chamberlin, formerly of Guiding Light. That was the highlight for me. 

Liked seeing Sela Ward have more air time. 

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I actually found this episode to be pretty entertaining.  The sexism arguments were done in a way that made the audience feel like they were in on the joke.  As opposed to SWAT, where all  such conversations have the feeling of  impending doom.  This episode got their point across in a fun way. 

If all FBI episodes were as entertaining as this one, I could understand the season renewal. Unfortunately most of the episodes are boring. 

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I find this show rather appealing and stuck with it last night.  I normally watch New Amsterdam, but, this has more potential, imo.  I find that the agent Maggie reminds me so much of the actress who portrayed an asst. DA (Abbie Carmiachel) on Law & Order some time ago.  Here's a link with her photo. Their mannerisms and voice are similar too.

https://lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Abbie_Carmichael

I did think that in last night's episode where the Federal Judge and her daughter were murdered in the street, it was odd how the known FBI agents just sat in the vehicle and chatted with the undercover FBI agent like they were at a picnic!  All the while they were sitting out front of this club where the bad guys were sitting.  AND, the Agents knew there was a surveillance camera outside filming them.....WTH? They seemed very slack with that undercover agent's cover.  Odd. 

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S01.E16:   Invisible

When the daughter of a wealthy family is kidnapped in an attempt to gain notorious internet fame, Maggie and OA discover the kidnapper's plans go far beyond abduction in order to never be forgotten.

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Favorite line of the episode:  "The judge just 'John Hancock'ed' the search warrant."  Didn't anyone catch this on the read through?

Props to the security guard for disrupting the attack at the outset.  Too bad he got clobbered right away. 

So Kristen the analyst is going to the Academy.  I wonder if she is leaving the show, because they sure dropped an anvil with her replacement.  Way to go, ubiquitous Asian tech expert.

It's a wonder any crime goes unpunished in New York, what with all the camera footage and database information on everyone that law enforcement has on this show.

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