FBI - General Discussion

[KeithJ]

So Jubal’s high school son is having a birthday party at his house thrown by his parents.  Isn’t he a little old for that?

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, KeithJ said:

So Jubal’s high school son is having a birthday party at his house thrown by his parents.  Isn’t he a little old for that?

Did the son not know about the game that the rest of the guys were going to instead of his party?
Seems like having the birthday party at the game would have been the way to go.
But maybe not because of the Leukemia + Pandemic = compromised immune system??

[CheshireCat]

8 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

But maybe not because of the Leukemia + Pandemic = compromised immune system??

I don't remember which shows made the pandemic canon and which didn't, so did FBI do that? I don't recall them mentioning it but maybe it was so in passing that I've forgotten.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, CheshireCat said:

I don't remember which shows made the pandemic canon and which didn't, so did FBI do that? I don't recall them mentioning it but maybe it was so in passing that I've forgotten.

Same. I’m not sure either, so it’s more of a fanwank.

But he could still be immunocompromised from the cancer treatments, even in a non-pandemic world.

Edited September 23, 2022 by shapeshifter

[CheshireCat]

45 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Same. I’m not sure either, so it’s more of a fanwank.

But he could still be immunocompromised from the cancer treatments, even in a non-pandemic world.

He had surgery in one of the earlier seasons as well, so I'd think so.

[KLovestoShop]

Just looked at the show guide on my TV, and while they have the synopsis for this coming week’s show, there’s nothing for the week of Oct. 4 other than a general statement of, “A show focusing on stories of the FBI”.  The other two FBI shows have the real synopsis for each one.  So something is up with the 10/4 show. 

[illdoc]

Season finale (that was postponed) now has a date: Oct 4. https://tvline.com/lists/fbi-season-finale-rescheduled-postponed-by-school-shooting/jeremy-sisto-jubal-sam-coparenting/

[shrewd.buddha]

On 9/21/2022 at 1:41 PM, milkyaqua said:

As for Jubal and his pouty teenager.  I tend to dislike personal drama on shows like this so I'm not looking forward to whatever they have planned.  They way his mom is talking I'm getting potential suicide vibes and I'm not crazy about that. 

I wondered how Jubal would have reacted if any of his subordinates were taking personal calls during a crisis situation.  So unprofessional. 
Also aggravating was when he kept insisting to his ex that he would "get that cake" even when he was going to drive to some distant location.  He was making the birthday situation even worse.
I can see how his manic behavior could have lead to his alcoholism. 
I feel sure Jubal's denial of his son's unhappiness is going to lead to something unfortunate. 

On 9/22/2022 at 10:51 AM, SnazzyDaisy said:

OA did the same thing like Maggie did - taking a bomb for a ride.

I was surprised this show went with the same exact bomb disposal technique so soon.
That 2 minute bomb countdown was the longest 2 minutes, ever.

Edited September 23, 2022 by shrewd.buddha
grammar

[Johannah]

21 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:

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That 2 minute bomb countdown was the longest 2 minutes, ever.

Ha.  Reminds me of a Leverage: Redemption episode where the bad guy (gal) said they had 60 seconds and when it was over (danger averted, of course, and taking multiple minutes of screen time), the good guy (gal) said, "That was a long 60 seconds".  Too funny.  I don't know why they don't just say, "It will take 2 minutes 45 seconds to film this scene, set the bomb for that time."

[Netfoot]

On 9/18/2022 at 12:18 AM, Andyourlittledog2 said:

I miss Maggie.

Me too. And I'm really surprised I can say that! 

[UnknownK]

I think C4 is much more explosive per pound then a fertilizer bomb but there wasn't that much in the bag.

If it were me, I would have just taken it to a drainage ditch and dumped it and ran. A car would just make shrapnel that would go very far outside of the blast radius. A 500lb air dropped bomb which is half of its weight is explosive would leave 30 ft diameter crater 15 feet deep, that bag didn't weight 250lbs for sure. Explosive blasts in the open are not as deadly as one inside a building.

[Xeliou66]

Well for me this episode kept getting interrupted by coverage of the hurricane/bad weather here in Southern Florida, very fucking frustrating - about 5 minutes into the episode right as Jubal started to go over the case with everyone I missed the next few scenes and the next thing I saw was the agents tracking the car and getting into a shootout with the perp. I also missed part of the middle section as well.

I did like the episode, it had good investigation and good twists and was intense as usual. But because I missed a little bit of it, I didn’t get how the girlfriend, who had been kidnapped, was involved in the crimes, what was her motivation? I didn’t feel any sympathy for her or her scumbag boyfriend, the boyfriend killed innocent people and the girl took a bunch of hostages, they had to shoot her. But I was unsure why the girlfriend was participating in the crimes since she was the apparent victim, if someone could fill me in on that I would appreciate it.

So Scola/Nina slept together again?! Well that was an intriguing development. I do like Nina and I like seeing different characters work together and how the show is a true ensemble. I wonder how they will write Nina off when Maggie returns.

Good episode but it was frustrating how I missed a few parts of it due to the hurricane coverage.

[preeya]

A validictorian with NO criminal record and a his girl friend (high school student) acting like hardend criminals. A little OTT for me.

Two runners tonight. They will never learn how to pursue perps.

Scola playing an over the top love interest, not a good fit.

Edited September 28, 2022 by preeya

[CheshireCat]

8 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Good episode but it was frustrating how I missed a few parts of it due to the hurricane coverage.

If you're in the US, you can watch it on the CBS website without a subscription if you'd like to see it again without interruptions.

[milkyaqua]

17 hours ago, preeya said:

Scola playing an over the top love interest, not a good fit.

Agree.  I was cringing on his behalf, lol.

Will also never understand why identify themselves as law enforcement when they are still so far away from the suspects.

The plot was okay even if yes, the motivation seemed not well built up.

[Snazzy Daisy]

I want Snarky Scola, not Mushy Scola. Come on man… 😏

Will Maggie be back by S05.E05? 

[b4pjoe]

On 9/27/2022 at 9:49 PM, preeya said:

Two runners tonight. They will never learn how to pursue perps.

As reliable as the sunrise and sunset.

[Izzy85]

Omg! Jubal, have another agent take him to interrogation and treat him like a suspect!! That kid is so frustrating, lol

Edited October 5, 2022 by Izzy85

[shapeshifter]

Argh. I wish this show had episode threads, especially at a time like this.

So, on TVTitan.com: 

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"Prodigal Son"
Repeat, 5/24/2022,  Season 4 / Episode 22...
A deadly robbery ends with a cache of automatic weapons in the hands of the killers, and the team's investigation hits a snag when they realize one of the people involved is a classmate of Jubal's son.

And/or, on IMDb:

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S5.E3
Episode aired Oct 4, 2022
As the team investigates a deadly robbery, they discover one of the perps is a classmate of Jubal's son.

Probably the best episode of its type I've seen on various shows, in spite of Jubal's son being a key player in the plot. 

I have no complaints with TBTB's choice of when to air it.

Edited October 5, 2022 by shapeshifter

[Xeliou66]

I enjoyed this episode, and despite it airing out of order I thought they did a good job of continuity given how the premiere had a subplot about Jubal’s son struggling. Jubal was really good in this one, I always enjoy a Jubal centric episode, and he was really good throughout this one, and while Jubal’s son did screw up by going out of the house I did sympathize with him given that he had been going through a lot, he just didn’t want to believe his friend could be a criminal. Intense scenes with Jubal, particularly at the end. I thought Sisto’s acting was really good, I liked him a lot as Lupo on L&O and he’s equally good as Jubal. I liked the scene where Kelly called him “sir” and Jubal noticed how that was unusual and said “sir? Are you asking for my daughter’s hand in marriage?” it was a nice funny moment before the seriousness of the rest of the episode.

I had a few questions - why didn’t Jubal have a patrol car out in front of his son’s house or take him into protective custody at FBI headquarters? That was the one part of the episode that I didn’t get, they had patrol all over the schools, so why didn’t Jubal have a car stationed at his son’s house? And where was Jubal’s daughter, and the new boyfriend/husband of Jubal’s ex wife? I thought it was odd they didn’t mention his daughter.

All of the agents were good and there was good investigative work.

I did miss Isobel in this one, it was a bit odd with the guy from DC helping out and taking over Jubal’s role in a couple of scenes. 

So despite heavy personal stuff I liked this episode, mainly because I really like Jubal and found his scenes compelling. I wonder if they will reference anything about how Jubal’s son is doing in the future, hopefully he gets therapy for his issues and him and Jubal repair their relationship. 

[Bobbin]

On 9/22/2022 at 8:11 PM, KeithJ said:

So Jubal’s high school son is having a birthday party at his house thrown by his parents.  Isn’t he a little old for that?

My cousin and his wife did that for (to) their boys until they graduated, one for just the family (aunts & uncles, cousins and grandparents) and one for the boys' friends.

A similar ending as Major Crimes 2:19 "Return to Sender, Part 2". Naive boy doggedly follows his friend/idol into the mouth of Hell only to be used by the friend as a human shield. Good show, pretty true to life characterizations. And no pop psychology.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Bobbin
Added observation and clarification.

[FinnishViewer]

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They have been trained correctly in how to move with a weapon by having your trigger finger straight along the barrel, because you never run or stalk with the finger on the trigger. That is the first thing you’re taught when taking shooting lessons.  I shoot and have used a Smith and Wesson, Sig Sauer, Beretta and others and you never move anywhere with your finger on the trigger. 

What's strange is that on Most Wanted they all have their finger on the trigger.

[Trey]

So Jubal and his son are all good now but it turns out this episode was from last season.  And so far this season, Tyler is having problems again; how did everything relapse? And what is going to happen to their relationship? Will Tyler have to save Jubal's life again to get back on track?

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Trey said:

So Jubal and his son are all good now but it turns out this episode was from last season.  And so far this season, Tyler is having problems again; how did everything relapse? And what is going to happen to their relationship? Will Tyler have to save Jubal's life again to get back on track?

I was assuming/hoping they developed the Tyler-Jubal troubles in the earlier season 5 episode to go with this one after they decided to hold it back. I mean, there was enough time, right?  Or no?

[amarante]

13 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I was assuming/hoping they developed the Tyler-Jubal troubles in the earlier season 5 episode to go with this one after they decided to hold it back. I mean, there was enough time, right?  Or no?

I agree as they probably took the opportunity to flesh out the back story of the alienation.

The storyline still would have worked even without the episodes shot this season which expanded on the alienation because there was the scene between Jubal and ex in which there was a discussion of how she tried to tell him and enough of the kid explaining why he had been hanging with them. 

[Trey]

58 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I was assuming/hoping they developed the Tyler-Jubal troubles in the earlier season 5 episode to go with this one after they decided to hold it back. I mean, there was enough time, right?  Or no?

They want us to think that last night's episode was really from this season and everything is hunky dory now? That's okay with me.

[threebluestars]

I think this episode worked better in this season than as a finale for last season.

[CheshireCat]

It was a good episode but I'm not sold on Tyler's behavior. Yes, he made a friend but how well did he know the guy and given that he's grown up with shooter drills in school and a dad in the FBI, I'm a) not sold that he wouldn't be more freaked out about the possibility of a shooting at his school and b) that he wouldn't be well aware that criminals come in all sizes and often are friends with someone or married to someone etc.

If I had disobeyed my parents in a situation like this and left the house, there would have been consequences. At the very least there would have been a very serious conversation along the lines of do you understand why I told you not to leave the house now?!

I think what Jubal told his son at the end was total BS. If his son hadn't been a hostage I doubt Jubal would have stormed inside like he did.
I'm also kind of tired of the guys disobeying orders or protocol and getting away with it and even coming out the hero while Isobel's superior's scold her every single time she bends the rules just a little to get results. Can we maybe get consequences for one of the guys just once?

Did we know where Isobel was from the episode that aired before this one?

On 10/5/2022 at 10:11 AM, Trey said:

So Jubal and his son are all good now but it turns out this episode was from last season. 

Are they all good now? I was under the impression that things are still kind of strained although Tyler should be the one who should be remorseful. Or at least, they should be about even.
I don't think there is any excuse for disobeying your dad when he's in the FBI and tells you to stay put because everything they've learned points at Zac as a potential mass shooter.

I'm also kind of tired of the "absent father" story in general. It's been so overused and has become such a cliché. I'm sure it's a stressful job and Jubal has to work on holidays but so do others like hospital staff or airline/airport staff. And yet, it's only kids of law enforcement officers who throw tantrums on TV.
Jubal does not strike me as the kind of dad who wouldn't spend every minute he has with his son and he was there for him when he was sick. So, I'm not entirely sure where this attitude comes from to begin with.

On 10/5/2022 at 10:11 AM, Trey said:

And so far this season, Tyler is having problems again; how did everything relapse?

Well, Tyler only had this one friend and now he's unpopular again? :-P

I wonder why the other kids know about the cancer to begin with. Isn't it a new school? So why did Tyler tell them? And if all kids define Tyler by his illness, is this really the kind of kids Jubal and his wife wants their son to be around? I'd prefer a school where at least some kids know to judge others by their character and not by a single illness.

[mythoughtis]

Isn’t Tyler/Mom  living in the sane place they lived in at the beginning of the series?  Jubal was already divorced then.  The school might  be fairly new to him depending on the grades taught.  Does Tyler have certain dietary and activity restrictions at this point in his treatment?  That might cause friction at school.
 

[shapeshifter]

While watching, I was as incredulous as anyone about Tyler’s repeated inability to grasp the situation, although I suppose he might not be thinking clearly due to residual “chemo brain”??   
Tyler didn’t look like he was recovering from chemotherapy, but effects don’t always show. Maybe the makeup people tried pale makeup on him, but it just made him look Goth, and maybe they figured shaving his head would just make him look like a different kind of shooter? I think it might have worked better if they’d cast a taller skinny kid.

At the end Tyler gave some excuse about going after the shooter to stop him, not assist him in his goal of killing more people. 
IRL Tyler would still at least be taken in for questioning. Maybe he was?

[Trey]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

IRL Tyler would still at least be taken in for questioning. Maybe he was?

Probably he was taken in.  If not as a suspect then to get more info on the perp and his motivation.

4 hours ago, CheshireCat said:

Are they all good now?

This was the breakthrough and now they can communicate with each other.

[Netfoot]

Tyler in danger! A muscle spasm could cause that pistol to fire.

Tyler in no danger. This is when Zach should be shot in the head.

I should not be surprised that they continue to say things like AR Assault Rifle when the AR does not stand for 'Assault Rifle'. It stands for 'Armalite', the original designers who sold the design and all rights to Colt, 63 years ago.

And the AR is not an Assault Rifle by any definition, nor is it a weapon of war, despite what any high ranked politician may say. It fires the relatively small 5.56x45 cartridge. It is not an automatic rifle despite what Jubal says, and it can not fire multiple bullets at one time. If you want to fire five shots you have to pull the trigger five times, just like an old cowboy gun†.

As far as I am aware, the AR is not standard equipment for any military or paramilitary force, anywhere in the world, nor has it ever been, nor is it likely that it ever will be. Weapon of war my ass.

As for Tyler, he should consider himself lucky that Jubal is his daddy. Because if he were my son, he would be getting a world class, award winning ass-whupping all like now! Fortunately, my son (see profile picture) is smart enough not to hang around with murdering dunder-heads who think they should be "iconic".

†ETA: Unless the old, cowboy gun is "Rusty" in which case it will fire of it's own accord. Apparently.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Netfoot

[catrice2]

OA is still off to me....and I enjoy the show SOOO much more without Maggie.  Loving this more ensemble feel...as long is it does not involve OA running.   Is the temp agent the same annoying person from Shooter?  

[LadyChaos]

Watching the show for the first time and noticed a random mistake made in regards to OA....in s1/2 OA states that she doesn't consume alcohol.....but in s4, he is sitting at the bar drinking.

[LadyChaos]

Saw an article where the show runners said they made the decision to change up the partnerships and Maggie and OA work with the other members more in s4 for a bit of a refresh (at least I think thats what they said), and I get that MP was pregnant in s4 so they were probably trying to minimize how much she was doing .... but honestly I like the dynamic between OA and Maggie, and I feel like its missing in a lot of s4 eps so far...but I'm only on episode 416.

[Xeliou66]

Pretty good episode - good investigation into the serial killer case, and I kept wondering if it would tie in with OA’s mugging but it didn’t, just some of the themes were similar. I liked the case and how there was a good role for most everyone, and I wondered who the killer would be, I thought it might be someone random that they hadn’t come across yet, but I didn’t think about it being an employee at the store.

While I like Maggie and miss her, I like Nina a lot as well and I like how the show is a true ensemble with no main character. I like seeing all of the agents working together.

Nice to see the ME, Neil, back again, plus they visited a forensics specialist, I like seeing minor characters like that.

Isobel was barely in this one.

I really liked the detective who dealt with OA’s mugging, he was a good character who did a good job, and I wondered if the reference to him being from the 27th precinct was an Easter egg for fans of Law and Order - as L&O fans know the detectives on that show are at the 27.

OA sometimes annoys me when he gets personal plots but he was actually okay this time and I was fine with how his story played out.

I called the weekly foot chase before it even happened and I knew the guy would be a red herring. 

This is a very good show that is in a nice rhythm - I’m curious as to how much longer Nina will be around and when Maggie will be back and how they deal with that. 

[LadyChaos]

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

This is a very good show that is in a nice rhythm - I’m curious as to how much longer Nina will be around and when Maggie will be back and how they deal with that. 

Not gonna comment on the rest of your post bc I haven't watched s5 yet.....but from my understanding MP started filming again mid-september.....so my guess is we'll probably see her back around 506-507.

[milkyaqua]

I also enjoyed this epi and how everyone interacted and liked seeing the other supporting characters and even the detective dealing with OA.  I figured the guy in the store was the killer as soon as he started stalling and getting smart.

I liked that OA was able to connect with the one victim and that he came to realize his own shortcomings in dealing with his assault.

I always appreciate when shows can actually take the bad guy into custody instead of always killing them like certain shows like to do.

[LadyChaos]

Just watched Tyler's 15th bday ep....and its just weird..... I mean I remember being 15....no one wanted birthday parties with streamers and party plates....and yeah, at that age I bet most of the invitees would've chosen going to a baseball game over a 'lame' birthday party....their 15-16, not 8....and honestly I kind of felt like that was how they were treating him. 

And I really get tired of this thing I see a lot nowadays in shows where one parent is intentionally keeping information about their kid from the other parent, and then gets angry when the other parent doesn't step too.....

I mean she moved the kids out to the new suburb and school 2-3 years ago...so if he doesn't have a lot of friends, its not a new development and she is just now telling Jubal Tyler is struggling? Or how about how Tyler had to have been sick for weeks, and she didn't tell Jubal until the day of the appointment with the specialist, and just expected him to be able to show up last minute. Tyler may have been putting on a brave face for his dad, but its her responsibility as the adult and parent to make sure the other parent knows whats going on.

[LadyChaos]

Do you all think that OA is aware of his feelings for Maggie? Do you think Maggie is aware of his feelings? There was a comment she made to him, when she was with Nestor that kind of implied that she wasn't clueless.

[preeya]

19 hours ago, catrice2 said:

Is the temp agent the same annoying person from Shooter?  

Yes, Shantel VanSanten played Julie Swagger.

[LadyChaos]

Just how many episodes of season 5 are gonna involve hostage situations?

[Snazzy Daisy]

S05•E04 - Victim

The moment they said they couldn’t find a purchase receipt of the handcuff, I knew the store employee is the killer.

I feel like slapping OA when he’s being a jerk to that detective, a bit condescending and uncooperative. 😣

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

Edited October 12, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy
Added episode title!

[LadyChaos]

On 10/12/2022 at 3:35 PM, SnazzyDaisy said:

The moment they said they couldn’t find a purchase receipt of the handcuff, I knew the store employee is the killer.

I feel like slapping OA when he’s being a jerk to that detective, a bit condescending and uncooperative. 😣

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

I think OA is used to being the strong one....in an earlier episode he said his father died young and he felt responsible for his mother and 3 sisters, not to mention he was a Army Ranger before the FBI.....he wants to minimize his trauma to make it manageable for himself so he doesn't have to admit he was a victim...plus that woman laughed at him and called him a demeaning expletive and told him 'Next time a woman comes up to you, keep walking' after the guy had him on the ground. Its easy to stand on the sidelines and say what he should have done or how he should have behaved. ...and having the people around him that know keep telling him what he should do and how he should feel, does not help.

Edited October 14, 2022 by LadyChaos
He has 3 sisters, not 4.

[MerBearHou]

2 hours ago, preeya said:

Yes, Shantel VanSanten played Julie Swagger.

I really, really enjoy her as Nina on FBI.  Wish there was a plan for her to stay.

Side note:  she is married to the mega handsome Victor Webster.  That is a gorgeous duo.

[LadyChaos]

2 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I really, really enjoy her as Nina on FBI.  Wish there was a plan for her to stay.

If they are planning on continuing the relationship with Scola and Nina....my guess is that she'll be around in some capacity....more than Mona was, but less than Nestor was in the eps he was in. But I think someone said that she is only confirmed for a total of 9 episodes. Which would indicate that next weeks episode might be her last as a major character.

Also, FBI has been renewed for season 6 already.

[Netfoot]

6 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

I figured the guy in the store was the killer as soon as he started stalling and getting smart.

Me too. but I have to say I don't like the trope that anyone who chooses not to cooperate with the FBI is automatically a bad person and can expect to be maltreated by the Feds until he can be beat up and thrown in jail! The FBI are lowlifes and I certainly would not cooperate with them without the appropriate warrants being presented. 

2 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

If by "at times" you mean "always" then we are in agreement.

[catrice2]

I honestly hope the show doesn't go the way of romantic relationships and keep it about the work....whether it is Maggie and OA or Scola and the new person.  Who really cares?  I was already annoyed by Jubal's girlfriend and Maggie's boyfriend and they were not in the "core" group. 

[LadyChaos]

1 hour ago, catrice2 said:

I honestly hope the show doesn't go the way of romantic relationships and keep it about the work....whether it is Maggie and OA or Scola and the new person.  Who really cares?  I was already annoyed by Jubal's girlfriend and Maggie's boyfriend and they were not in the "core" group. 

Im under the impression that tptb started the show out with the intention of OA and Maggie being endgame.

[LadyChaos]

I have to be honest....its so weird to me that a show that has the highest ratings for its time slot on broadcast television....there's really not much of an online presence in forums, reddit, sm....How come this show doesn't have its own forum on PT?