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A guy as rich and paranoid as the arms dealer rents out an entire floor, but doesn't have any security on the lobby floor when he's supposed to meet the buyer?  I thought sure when Billy Burke was running through the lobby and out to the conspicuous by its own ordinariness van that someone would have had a suspicion or two.  But, then again, as soon as he said "If you don't know this stuff you get yourself killed.  Or your partner killed", that he was a dead duck. Wrong on both counts. 

By the same token, did the daughter take into account the reaction of the group OA was supposed to be representing?  If they got stiffed on the deal, I'm sure they would be taking a much more direct approach to the problem than a lawsuit.  They could have had henchmen hiding near the piers also.

That couldn't have been the Quantico Academy.  Where were the pretty faces, the beautiful hair, and the too-tight low cut blouses? Those students looked way too professional.

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11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I did like him confronting that other guy about how he treated OA versus everyone else.

I thought that sub-plot was the worst part of the episode.  Pure nonsense.  "...because I knew you were the best!" bullshit.  To inject some touchy-feely draaama.  And I don't care a damn about Mitch Morgan's relationship with his kid!

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This really has to be the most poorly thought out series I have seen in a long time.  If OA is undercover, then why would he go back to FBI HQ to have a meeting with the rest of the major characters?  I would think that a dude who is undercover would do all he could to make sure that his cover wasn't blown.

On 12/11/2018 at 10:34 PM, mxc90 said:

OA proved to Quinn he's not a quitter and finally got his deserved apology. I'm proud of him. Now he will need to work on getting his gym membership and then I can really sleep peacefully from then on!

I saw the "You only fail when you stop trying " poster on the wall, it was silly.  The only thing that was missing was a "Hang in there" poster with a kitten holding on to a tree branch.

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On 12/11/2018 at 10:00 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Gotta say, the whole undercover thing was just a lot of white noise to me, since I doubted OA would die or anything.

So, right there, the "stakes" were really nil. But I did like him confronting that other guy about how he treated OA versus everyone else.

See ya in January, show.

My comment is slightly off topic, but perhaps I can tie it in.

In life, people aren't going to always know why people treat others poorly.  If they get an explanation at all, that explanation could be a lie.     Some people are just genetically predisposed to be an asshole.  I read a lot of comments from other areas of the web about old school bullying, pre-internet 1970's early 1980's.  In that era, many grade school bullies used to threaten other kids and beat them up.  I am not talking about occasionally being teased.

It amazes me why people long after they have graduated would care to go back to those bullies and talk to them (either at a reunion or via the internet).  For what purpose?  Closure?  Sometimes assholes are just that, assholes.  No need to go back, just move on and live the best life that anyone can live and try and not be like those assholes.

Should it piss off OA that he was treated poorly?  Sure, but he couldn't go undercover with that attitude.  He doesn't have a poker face.  His attitude could affect the mission.  As for the dude that treated him poorly?  I was hoping that he wouldn't give OA an explanation, because it sounded like the explanation he gave was bullshit.  If he treated OA poorly in order to make him a better agent, then why apologize for it?  Why didn't he treat all of the other potential agents poorly?

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2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

If he treated OA poorly in order to make him a better agent, then why apologize for it?  Why didn't he treat all of the other potential agents poorly?

And at the end of the course why not explain?  Because the whole excuse was bullshit.  Bullshit on the part of the character or bullshit on the part of the script-writers.

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14 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

This really has to be the most poorly thought out series I have seen in a long time.  If OA is undercover, then why would he go back to FBI HQ to have a meeting with the rest of the major characters?  I would think that a dude who is undercover would do all he could to make sure that his cover wasn't blown.

I saw the "You only fail when you stop trying " poster on the wall, it was silly.  The only thing that was missing was a "Hang in there" poster with a kitten holding on to a tree branch.

I think the acting on this show is very wooden. I don't know what they're going for trying to show the OA character in  sleeveless shirts but they need to stop. For a tall man his body is out of proportion and he does not look good in those tank tops. I'm not quite sure if it is facial hair or what it is but in my mind he should be more attractive than he is

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20 hours ago, Netfoot said:

And at the end of the course why not explain?  Because the whole excuse was bullshit.  Bullshit on the part of the character or bullshit on the part of the script-writers.

I think there is a huge problem with the writing on this series.  I have no problem with the actors and actresses. 

Sela Ward is one hell of an actress, but on this series she comes off as more of a cheerleader than a boss.

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Anybody knows one of the tropes that I hate on police procedurals? That is when the suspect just breaks down admitting everything with neither very good nor compelling evidence that he can not get out of. Case in point. Finn is hell-bent to destroy Lynch. And he just gives everything away when he was facing Lynch? He did not even have a lawyer?

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I wish that the show did more research on the subject matter. So this missile they are dealing with, the 'Javelin' is a missile for tanks and aircraft? It does not work that way. A missile can not be an anti-tank and anti-aircraft at the same time. The explosion mechanism is different for penetrating tank's armor or for damaging aircraft engine. In fact, they are two Javelin missiles. British Javelin is a SAM, American FGM-148 Javelin is an anti-tank.

As for the plots, somebody as rich and as powerful as the arms seller does not have his guest scanned for wires?

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On 11/24/2018 at 12:22 PM, kili said:

"We just got a hit on somebody using the bad guy's fake ID in the middle of New York, quick, you two agents in the middle of the woods drive there and try to stop him. He'll wait for you before he does anything bad like releasing a chemical agent. Those guys that you see in the background of the office? Completely useless. We'll make sure that they arrive just in time to mop up the scene after you have already saved the day."

That seems to be the MO of FBI TV shows, is it not? Criminal Minds, Blindspot, The Blacklist... The Heroes always need to be at the other location, regardless how far that is. Never mind that in Manhattan alone there are literally tens of thousands of law enforcement personnel, federal, state and local.

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On 12/13/2018 at 1:02 PM, icemiser69 said:

My comment is slightly off topic, but perhaps I can tie it in.

In life, people aren't going to always know why people treat others poorly.  If they get an explanation at all, that explanation could be a lie.     Some people are just genetically predisposed to be an asshole.  I read a lot of comments from other areas of the web about old school bullying, pre-internet 1970's early 1980's.  In that era, many grade school bullies used to threaten other kids and beat them up.  I am not talking about occasionally being teased.

It amazes me why people long after they have graduated would care to go back to those bullies and talk to them (either at a reunion or via the internet).  For what purpose?  Closure?  Sometimes assholes are just that, assholes.  No need to go back, just move on and live the best life that anyone can live and try and not be like those assholes.

 

 

A bit further off-topic, this would make an interesting plot for this show or Criminal Minds back when it was about profiling. A serial killer goes around the country killing those who annoyed/tormented him as a kid. Seems like a good "perfect crime." 

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So this missile they are dealing with, the 'Javelin' is a missile for tanks and aircraft?

According to this article, it can be used against helicopters, 'The gunner selects direct attack mode to engage covered targets, bunkers, buildings and helicopters.'

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Wolf not only recycles actors, apparently he also recycles episode titles! (I have seen this one used in the L&O franchise!) The description is out for the next episode on January 8th, so here it is:

When a judge and her daughter are murdered after she sentenced a man to life in prison, Maggie and OA search for the killer behind a possible retaliation. Dana has a vested interest in this case as she has a history with the victim.

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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Dowel Jones said:

OA came off this week as having a serious stick up his butt.  "Everything the government does is legitimate.  There is no need to question authority.  Obey and forget."

He certainly had a closed mind about Fletcher until the end. Whether it's nuclear secrets, the number of pencils purchased or evidence of potentially lethal negligence, if you leak it, you're a filthy rotten traitor and capable of who knows what other heinous crimes.

All in all, substandard dialog and character ddevelopment. The words cardboard and one-dimensional come to mind. The melodramatic pauses didn't help. There is definitely room for improvement.

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As far as CBS procedurals go, FBI is pretty good.  (NBC only does Chicago now, apparently.) 
But coming from Dick Wolf - of Law&Order fame - I did not expect every case to center around the same two agents. They would be the most famous FBI agents of all time. 
(I guess L&O had the same detectives for several seasons, but it was the city of New York, not a national agency.)

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57 minutes ago, tvfanatic13 said:

Does anyone know when CBS plans to air tonight’s episode since it is being pre-empted?

Probably will be next week's episode. They usually just bump things to the following week if it gets pre-empted (or the football game runs over an hour overtime (if the game runs 10 min over, everything starts at X:10, up to 59 min over (yes, once it did and all episodes that night aired starting at X:59 instead of X:00). If it's over an hour, they'd bump the last episode of the night).

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3 hours ago, illdoc said:

Probably will be next week's episode. They usually just bump things to the following week if it gets pre-empted (or the football game runs over an hour overtime (if the game runs 10 min over, everything starts at X:10, up to 59 min over (yes, once it did and all episodes that night aired starting at X:59 instead of X:00). If it's over an hour, they'd bump the last episode of the night).

In this case, the President is speaking to the nation. 

But then, its late for those in the east but 6pm for those in the West. So, this will be interesting. Just check your dvrs and just record for 4 hours. 

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I have no idea if CBS aired what was supposed to be a new episode, but I got notification from Amazon (I have a season pass) that the episode is posted. Hmm.

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Found this:

"At 9 PM ET CBS will pre-empt its scheduled midseason premiere of FBI with CBS News Special Report: President Trump Address to the Nation and Democratic Response. Programming will resume with a repeat episode of The Neighborhood at 9:30 PM ET. On the West Coast, NCIS will air from 8-9 PM, followed by back-to-back repeat episodes of The Neighborhood at 9 and 9:30 PM in place of FBI, and a repeat episode of NCIS: New Orleans from 10-11 PM. The previously announced original episodes of FBI and NCIS: New Orleans will air Tuesday, Jan. 15."

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On 12/13/2018 at 8:12 PM, catrice2 said:

I don't know what they're going for trying to show the OA character in sleeveless shirts but they need to stop. For a tall man his body is out of proportion and he does not look good in those tank tops. I'm not quite sure if it is facial hair or what it is but in my mind he should be more attractive than he is

I don't know, I find Zeeko Zaki gorgeous. He's my eye-candy for this show, and I love the tank-tops. There's also this, so yeah, he's totally doing it for me:

zeeko.jpg

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So I was confused by tonight’s episode. It seemed like that the daughter was assaulted, but it turned out that she was dating the drug dealer and her mom was intervening so the drug dealing boyfriend had her killed. So what were the cryptic texts sent to the burner phone about? And why was she crying and upset the night before? Huge plot holes there.

There was way too much going on in this episode: the murder of the judge who was Dana’s friend, the undercover agent that had turned, and it was only loosely tied together, the stories about the corrupt undercover agent and the judge’s murder should’ve been 2 separate episodes. 

On the positive side, it least Jubal got to go out in the field. The more Jubal the better. 

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3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

So I was confused by tonight’s episode. It seemed like that the daughter was assaulted, but it turned out that she was dating the drug dealer and her mom was intervening so the drug dealing boyfriend had her killed. So what were the cryptic texts sent to the burner phone about? And why was she crying and upset the night before? Huge plot holes there.

There was way too much going on in this episode: the murder of the judge who was Dana’s friend, the undercover agent that had turned, and it was only loosely tied together, the stories about the corrupt undercover agent and the judge’s murder should’ve been 2 separate episodes. 

On the positive side, it least Jubal got to go out in the field. The more Jubal the better. 

The thing is, though, they already had a recent episode about FBI agents gone bad, so doing it again so soon just seemed like a twist because the writers couldn't think of another angle. Not good this early in the game.

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13 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

So I was confused by tonight’s episode.

Same here. The wayward undercover FBI agent said she could not betray her target because he was 'a good man'.  Was she deliberately overlooking the fact that he had sex with the daughter - and then either arranged for her murder or was okay with his partner committing the murder? Plus, you know, the drug dealing..

The main FBI characters are fine for this type of procedural - but after a while they do start to come off as practically perfect in every way. 

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I loved OA's face as Maggie uncuffed the waitress and was chatting with her and he's like "Wait, what?" with this unbelieving smile on his face lol.

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We were trying to figure out which guy was the good looking one. I guess she meant the one she was kissing. 

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OA said "I guess this isn't you maiden voyage?" to the waitress/undercover FBI agent.  I suppose they had to get some sort of comedic sailing reference into this episode since Zach McGowan (Black Sails) played the role of the drug dealer/bar owner Dylan Rossi.   OA has nothing on Lenny Brisco. 

The other dude in that bar is on Mayans M.C.

Most of these FBI episodes are incomplete and have massive plot holes in them. 

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This show has so many holes and inconsistencies in it...but I still watch.  I like the OA character and the fact that they don't "glam up" the female FBI agent.  But the writing and fact-checking is not what it should/could be.  And it doesn't seem the cast has gelled yet.

But at least Jeremy Sisto is not yelling as much in the new episode; and I love Sela Ward.  I sure hope they don't go the "romance" route with the two leads.  That would be a show killer - and the show isn't on that firm a ground to begin with.

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 I sure hope they don't go the "romance" route with the two leads.  That would be a show killer - and the show isn't on that firm a ground to begin with.

Yuck. That would be a horrible mismatch. 

Sela Ward, thanks for wearing your age so beautifully. 

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Just watched Identity Crisis and massively confused. Our heroes was waiting for the bad guys for the deal, hoping to bust them then. But the bad guys bailed. They chased the bad guys and arrested them. On what charge, exactly? If it is on drug charges, based on what? They setup the meet specifically to bust them with the evidence. The heroes just arrested the bad guys like that? Then why Jubal needed to be undercover and beat the polygraph?

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Yet another terrorism/bomb case tonight. This gets so tiresome and ridiculous, can’t they come up with something new? And OA’s sister going undercover was ridiculous, they would never let a civilian go undercover like that. This show isn’t all that well written but it’s still entertaining. 

I want more of Jubal, he’s awesome when he gets screentime!! 

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I still haven’t decided if I like thisshow or not.  OA is a pretentious Ass.   He annoys the hell out of me.  I like Maggie though.  And the inside people. 

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This show seems to be getting worse with each episode. What happened? 
This was the one where the Alt Right guy was killed by a Molotov cocktail fire bomb at a college campus.
The WtFs:
1) Maggie and OA, with their big "FBI" vests, walk around campus, interview people, walk up to an active protest. THEN, Maggie goes "undercover" in the same area. Seriously?
2) The FBI would allow a civilian family member to assist trained agents on an undercover case? 

We jokingly noted that the government shutdown must be affecting the NY FBI branch, since they appear to have only around five people doing any work and need family members to help. 

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Really Dick Wolf??? What’s with this Paul Revere University BS. Everybody knows that Hudson University is the choice of terrorist professors everywhere!

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Having OA's sister go undercover in the middle of an FBI operation was the height of ridiculousness. 

I wish that they gave Sela Ward more to do. 

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One part of this episode that I did like was when one of the characters said "everyone has a right to their opinion".  I think that was OA that said that to his sister.

I also liked the comment that Dana made to Kristen "Focus on the evidence, not on the politics.   Our job is to protect free speech, not police it".

Kristen was incredibly obnoxious this episode.  I hate it when characters get on their soap boxes and ideologically spout off.  They completely lack professionalism.

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This episode was okay but no way they would let a civilian go undercover. I would think that elder siblings are usually a pain in the ass and overly protective. 

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Tonight, there are no new episodes. As to what will happen when the state of the union speech airs next Tuesday (Feb 5)? I'd say it will get pre-empted.

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